You missed the point again.  And by the way, nature screams when something 
harms it.  Have you ever hear the earth screams yet ?The social morals and 
social behaviours created by society have nothing to do with nature.   If one 
is by the sea no one gets annoyed or disturbed by someone trying to get into 
--- On Fri, 22/10/10, ED <> wrote:

From: ED <>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?
Date: Friday, 22 October, 2010, 15:38


Mayka asked: "Is it [the yelling] violent?"
Yelling is just what it is - yelling. 
But yelling in public can be quite annoying and disturbing to some or many.
Therefore the would-be yeller needs ask himself/herself the question: 
"Shall I apply my understanding of zen to *myself* and merely experience my 
compulsion to yell - but remain quiet. 
Shall I yell and provide *others* with the opportunity to practise their zenist 
worldview, by their being quiet and just experiencing their strong aversion to 
--- In, <billsm...@...> wrote:
> Mayka,
> I was referring to the post below which talked about yelling in pain. Maybe 
> violent is a little over-the-top. How about vigorous?
> Bill!

> Bill:
> Is it violent?. What I have tried is that every time I'm about of getting 
> into the bath, laying my back on the very cold material of the bath I emit a 
> very long sound with the syllable "om"letting the breath going out through 
> the sound. The sound here doesn't come violent. However , while trying to get 
> into the sea for a swim when its waters are still cold it makes me Yell very 
> loudly with strange sounds in the awareness of in/out fast breathing and fast 
> movements of my both legs jumping as in a water marathon reheating my body.. 
> Didn't notice if the breath was violent. I'll try to attention to that. But I 
> know that in the beach everyone can hear me yelling. That yelling is actually 
> very good because it helps me to cope and reheat my body better. 
> Mayka

> Actually yelling is just a violent exhale. It would be followed by a violent 
> inhale gasping for breath.
> This is an excellent breathing technique.
> Bill!

> That sounds terrible Chris. And this is what I meant by reading or 
> overhearing about breathing but with no experience at all into that. As a 
> woman I should have encouraged her to yell as much as she wanted if that 
> would help her to dilate better and cope her pain. I would have hold her hand 
> very gentle but very firm and talk to her with reassurance and kindnest. 
> LIstening to her voice, to her body.. Being one with her. Breathing with her. 
> It's the heart acting as the guide that brings all that sensitivity, unity 
> between a patient and a carer, nurse, doctor...I wonder if they can make an 
> statistics about the heart too.
> Mayka

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