Natural childbirth of the first child is more close to violent than vigorous. Blood sweat and tears, giving your all for something other than your self, and a world-changing triumph.
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:31, <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: > > > Mayka, > > I was referring to the post below which talked about yelling in pain. Maybe > violent is a little over-the-top. How about vigorous? > > …Bill! > > > > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Maria Lopez > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:37 PM > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? > > > > > > Bill: > > > > Is it violent?. What I have tried is that every time I'm about of getting > into the bath, laying my back on the very cold material of the bath I emit a > very long sound with the syllable "om"letting the breath going out through > the sound. The sound here doesn't come violent. However , while trying to > get into the sea for a swim when its waters are still cold it makes me Yell > very loudly with strange sounds in the awareness of in/out fast breathing and > fast movements of my both legs jumping as in a water marathon reheating my > body.. Didn't notice if the breath was violent. I'll try to attention to > that. But I know that in the beach everyone can hear me yelling. That > yelling is actually very good because it helps me to cope and reheat my body > better. > > > > Mayka > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 21/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: > > > From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> > Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, 21 October, 2010, 1:52 > > > > Actually yelling is just a violent exhale. It would be followed by a violent > inhale – gasping for breath. > > This is an excellent breathing technique…Bill! > > > > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Maria Lopez > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:03 AM > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? > > > > > > That sounds terrible Chris. And this is what I meant by reading or > overhearing about breathing but with no experience at all into that. As a > woman I should have encouraged her to yell as much as she wanted if that > would help her to dilate better and cope her pain. I would have hold her > hand very gentle but very firm and talk to her with reassurance and kindnest. > LIstening to her voice, to her body.. Being one with her. Breathing with > her. It's the heart acting as the guide that brings all that sensitivity, > unity between a patient and a carer, nurse, doctor...I wonder if they can > make an statistics about the heart too. > > > > Mayka > > > > --- On Wed, 20/10/10, ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net> wrote: > > > From: ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? > To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, 20 October, 2010, 16:16 > > > > > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > Sent from a cell phone > > On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:16, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > If mindfulness is show in a scientific way the outcome will be a disaster > > I have more faith. Scientists are humans, and there has already been much > suffering relieved by the meditation based therapies described in the > article. Science is another human activity. > > I agree tho for physically therapies you want a person who does their work > with grace. Your story reminded me of a nurse that was present while my wife > was delivering our first born, with out pain meds and therefor rather loudly > working at labor. At some point the yelling upset the nurse who yelled at my > wife, "do your relaxing breathing that you learned." despite the indubitable > power of conscious breathing, it was not a helpful thing to yell at that time. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5549 (20101020) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5549 (20101020) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5553 (20101021) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5553 (20101021) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >
