Ed, My reply is embedded below:
You Wrote: IMHO, 'scientific mumbo-jumbo' is *your* illusion/delusion. [Bill!] Science is illusory so it is everyone's illusion who embraces it. Zen, being a natural phenomenon, is quite amenable to observation, meaurement and logical scrutiny - like all natural phenomena are. [Bill!] Zen is not exactly observation. Observation requires a dualistic split between object an observer. Zen is experience, not observation. The degree of "emphasis" on this scientific inquiry is an indivudual's choice - the one that works best for the temperament of the individual. [Bill!] Yes indeed! The degree of emphasis (attachment) to any illusion in left up to the individual (self) - and that includes both spirituality and scientific inquiry. Surely, you are not frozen in the stance of "only one way"? [Bill!] There is Just THIS! All else is illusion. Spirituality, logic, science, etc., are all illusory. If you call insisting on this 'only one way', then yes I am frozen in that stance. .Bill!
