Ed, My reply is embedded below:
IMHO, 'scientific mumbo-jumbo' is *your* illusion/delusion.
[Bill!] Science is illusory so it is everyone's illusion who embraces it.
Zen, being a natural phenomenon, is quite amenable to observation,
meaurement and logical scrutiny - like all natural phenomena are.
[Bill!] Zen is not exactly observation. Observation requires a dualistic
split between object an observer. Zen is experience, not observation.
The degree of "emphasis" on this scientific inquiry is an indivudual's
choice - the one that works best for the temperament of the individual.
[Bill!] Yes indeed! The degree of emphasis (attachment) to any illusion in
left up to the individual (self) - and that includes both spirituality and
Surely, you are not frozen in the stance of "only one way"?
[Bill!] There is Just THIS! All else is illusion. Spirituality, logic,
science, etc., are all illusory. If you call insisting on this 'only one
way', then yes I am frozen in that stance.