I wholeheartedly agree with you that thoughts about zen can be the most 




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Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question



When I read a lot of Zen Enlightenment stuff, I find my sitting is then filled 
up with what i label Zen thoughts - thoughts that attempt to portray themselves 
as wisdom or as "good Zen experiences." 


I personally find those to be even more obscuring than the non-Zen thoughts 
about various imagined harms that others have prepared for me, so I generally 
take their appearance to be a signal to read less and sit more. 


I haven't ever tried a month of no reading (tho I am scrupulous to not bring 
books on a sesshin), and in fact the enlightenment story in the Three Pillars 
of Zen where this (childless) couple went on a word fast leaves a continuing 
sense of horror in me. In the midst of confusion and chaos, that's it for me. 


Chris Austin-Lane

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On Oct 30, 2010, at 8:14, "ED" <seacrofter...@! 
<> > wrote:

--- In, Bill... wrote:
> You are correct that you shouldn't form an attachment to either your own 
> experience or intellectual knowledge - but it is important to note that the 
> experience, even its memory, is your experience; 

> whereas whatever you read or are taught is at best the 2nd- or 3rd-hand 
> account of someone else's experience, and at worst the inaccurate or 
> fictional account of someone else's experience. 


When one reads, it is not necessarily to 'learn', but also and especially to 
awaken one's own intrinic wisdom-mind, no?

> I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of someone 
> else's. 
> ...Bill! 

One must 'value' the accounts of others only if one oneself resonates with 
them, no?



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