Anthony, No THEORY or CONCEPT is absolutely any better than another. One theory may fit the observed 'facts' better in one circumstance, and another competing theory may fit the 'facts' better in a different circumstance.
A better theory for me than karma is no karma. No karma, no self, no theories, Just THIS! ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:21 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Kristy, If karma did not exist, why were you born a smart woman, why I, stupid man? What is a better theory than karma? Anthony --- On Wed, 17/11/10, Kristy McClain <healthypl...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Kristy McClain <healthypl...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 6:18 AM Anthony, You are starting with a premise that karma exists. How do you know it does? k --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote: From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 1:13 PM Mayka/ED, Most of us are deeply bound by karma so that we are bored by 'just this'. I believe we can find satisfaction by just sitting down and eventual enlightenment, but we are way from that 'goal'. So perhaps Bill can improve his way of teaching like guiding children away from their toys. Anthony --- On Tue, 16/11/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 16 November, 2010, 7:17 PM ED: Thank you for both links. It's been particularly interesting reading controversial Brad W reply in connection with Big Mind and Genpo Roshi...and my conclusion about the whole thing is, that hearts feel profoundly grateful for having found Thich Nhat Hanh dharma in those years in which his home was not too crowded, not too polluted by westerners speculation, aggression and most of it self, ego. There are teachings that shouldn't be passed onto westerners in such a light way. Big Mind might be one of those (I wouln't know because first hearing was in American websites) . And yet there is the possibility that in the original eastern environment (perhaps under a differente name) have the effect of a most powerful way of breaking through the self by exposing it. Building up a bond in the process with other practitioners sailing in the same boat. People don't want the simplicity of Buddhism and not certainly zen. I wouldn't put the blame to anyone but just in oneself incapacity of seeing what is there presented in simplicity. For instance Anthony himself has pointed out more than once the boredom of "just this" or sitting down. We look for excitement all the time. No one external to blame afterwards if we get hurt but just oneselves Mayka --- On Tue, 16/11/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 16 November, 2010, 5:44 "Big Mind" "Merzel began developing the "Big Mind" process in 1999, after having taught more traditional Zen meditation and koan study for more than twenty years. The process is intended to allow anyone — including non-Buddhists — to experience "the enlightenment of the Buddha". The process is designed as a combination of Eastern meditation and Western psychological techniques to transmit the essence of Zen teachings in a way that is readily accessible and relevant to Westerners, a realization they can further deepen through meditation. The Big Mind process is claimed to enable participants to get in touch with various aspects of themselves by inviting them to identify as and speak from these aspects or states of mind. The teacher walks participants through interactions with different aspects of their mind, including ordinary, finite ones such as the Protector, the Skeptic and Desiring Mind; and possibly less familiar, "transcendent" ones such as the "Non-Seeking/Non-Grasping Mind", "the Way", and "Big Mind and Big Heart". Since 1999, he has offered workshops to more than 20,000 individuals all around the world. In addition to presentations in cities in North America and Europe, Genpo Roshi has made "Big Mind" available on DVDs and online. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Genpo_Merzel#cite_note-4 Also see: http://hardcorezen.blogspot.com/2010/04/big-mind-sucks-part-million.html --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain <healthypl...@...> wrote: > Chris, To the contrary. I do not recommend Big Mind , necessarily. In fact, I have said here that it is not a process that works for me. It seems a bit like group therapy, but not about zen. I know it well, as I have a home in UT, (though I live in CA). Gempo Roshi's zen center is just two miles from my home there. I did attend many meditation groups , classes and even a few retreats there.. I am friends with Diane Musho Hamilton, and she received her transmission from Gempo Roshi. Actually, I have been critical of this teaching model in the past, but now-- Well, I truly feel that there are different methods that work for different personalities and cultures. So, if one finds Big Mind meaningful, thats okay by me. I don't believe in one recipe. I do think it may attract people who would not normally include zen, or any spiritual practice in their lives. If so, then, I think there is a benefit to society at large. ... Kristy __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5627 (20101117) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5627 (20101117) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5627 (20101117) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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