Dark matter, dark energy, and the big bang are all fine examples of the concepts arising from the conditioned, relative world of forms that physics describes.
I think its a bit confusing to use them as analogies for the formless, unconditioned, eternal perspective of the current moment known. --Chris Thanks, --Chris [email protected] +1-301-270-6524 2012/1/14 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> > > > Hi Ed, If I remember correctly, this is the second time that you have > asked this question and it is an important one. Let me address it again. > > In short, any attachment (insistence) of any concept, whether fore or > against, is the act of our discriminating mind working in the concept and > logic domain, which is emptiness by nature. In others dualistic, or > illusory. > > Mike and Edgar both said in similar ways, "there is nothing except, > majority is in the formless (96% is dark energy and dark matter)" In other > words, all concepts, logic and words are emptiness by nature. Yet all are > valid, because they all are there serving the universe for some reason. > > By asserting one is valid or not valid, we are discriminating, > categorizing emptiness itself. > > "Just This" is "ontological energy", is "chi", is "Buddha Nature", is > "just sit", is "not thinking", is "...." They all serve the same purpose > or objective, though they may differ in the detailed instructions. > > I trust most of the people in this forum emphasizes the fact "sitting", is > an effective way to let our inner wisdom unfold, so that we could live in > harmony. And all discussions are really for awaking ourselves. All are > valid. Any instance or denial of any logic or concept is an "attachment to > dharma". Dharma is everywhere and in every moment, (Diamond Sutra) > > In short, Chan is One. One is ALL.(Hsinhsin Ming) Unless we "see" > clearly all forms (logic, concept) are valid as well as invalid(empty), > then we are not in sync with the wisdom of the universe. In other words, > all "effects", though impermanent and emptiness by nature, exist for a > reason. > > We strive to live a life "as is", accept "as is", then we see "cause and > effect", as well as its "nature of emptiness". > > jm > > > On 1/14/2012 7:34 AM, ED wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > To assert that 'cause and effect' is an illusory concept is dualistic - > and so is denial that the concept is illusory ??? > > Thanks, ED > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> > <BillSmart@...>wrote: > > > > Anthony, > > > > I don't consider myself 'more advanced' than you. In fact if anything > I would like to think I am 'less advanced' than you. In the case of zen > practice the more you unlearn and the less advanced you are from your > Original Nature the better. > > > > I believe the concept of 'cause-and-effect' (like all concepts) is > illusory. ONE of the reasons I believe this is because the concept of > cause-and-effect is completely dependent upon the belief in a > sequencial, serial, uni-directional flow of time. Cause-and-effect > requires at least two separate actions, one - the cause- which happens > before the other - the effect. > > > > There is no sequencial, serial, uni-directional flow of time. There is > only an ILLUSION of a sequencial, serial, unidirectional flow of time. > There is only Now. The past exists only in our mind - we call this > memory. The future exists only in our mind as a logical projection(based > on our belief in cause-and-effect) of a concatenation of our illusion of > Past and Now. > > > > And, to employ the also equally illusory power of logic I can state: > since the flow of time itself is illusory any concept based on time must > also be illusory. > > > > I hope this helps to retard you a little... > > > > ...Bill! > > > >
