JM, Can you see jumping from the top of a nine story building and getting killed is an act of 'emptiness'? Anthony
________________________________ From: 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012, 1:27 Subject: [Zen] Illusory Concept Hi Ed, If I remember correctly, this is the second time that you have asked this question and it is an important one. Let me address it again. In short, any attachment (insistence) of any concept, whether fore or against, is the act of our discriminating mind working in the concept and logic domain, which is emptiness by nature. In others dualistic, or illusory. Mike and Edgar both said in similar ways, "there is nothing except, majority is in the formless (96% is dark energy and dark matter)" In other words, all concepts, logic and words are emptiness by nature. Yet all are valid, because they all are there serving the universe for some reason. By asserting one is valid or not valid, we are discriminating, categorizing emptiness itself. "Just This" is "ontological energy", is "chi", is "Buddha Nature", is "just sit", is "not thinking", is "...." They all serve the same purpose or objective, though they may differ in the detailed instructions. I trust most of the people in this forum emphasizes the fact "sitting", is an effective way to let our inner wisdom unfold, so that we could live in harmony. And all discussions are really for awaking ourselves. All are valid. Any instance or denial of any logic or concept is an "attachment to dharma". Dharma is everywhere and in every moment, (Diamond Sutra) In short, Chan is One. One is ALL.(Hsinhsin Ming) Unless we "see" clearly all forms (logic, concept) are valid as well as invalid(empty), then we are not in sync with the wisdom of the universe. In other words, all "effects", though impermanent and emptiness by nature, exist for a reason. We strive to live a life "as is", accept "as is", then we see "cause and effect", as well as its "nature of emptiness". jm On 1/14/2012 7:34 AM, ED wrote: > > >Bill, > >To assert that 'cause and effect' is an illusory concept is dualistic - >and so is denial that the concept is illusory ??? > >Thanks, ED > >--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: >> >> Anthony, >> >> I don't consider myself 'more advanced' than you. In fact if anything >I would like to think I am 'less advanced' than you. In the case of zen >practice the more you unlearn and the less advanced you are from your >Original Nature the better. >> >> I believe the concept of 'cause-and-effect' (like all concepts) is >illusory. ONE of the reasons I believe this is because the concept of >cause-and-effect is completely dependent upon the belief in a >sequencial, serial, uni-directional flow of time. Cause-and-effect >requires at least two separate actions, one - the cause- which happens >before the other - the effect. >> >> There is no sequencial, serial, uni-directional flow of time. There is >only an ILLUSION of a sequencial, serial, unidirectional flow of time. >There is only Now. The past exists only in our mind - we call this >memory. The future exists only in our mind as a logical projection(based >on our belief in cause-and-effect) of a concatenation of our illusion of >Past and Now. >> >> And, to employ the also equally illusory power of logic I can state: >since the flow of time itself is illusory any concept based on time must >also be illusory. >> >> I hope this helps to retard you a little... >> >> ...Bill! > >
