True. That's a curve ball... LOL
On 1/14/2012 11:06 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
Dark matter, dark energy, and the big bang are all fine examples of
the concepts arising from the conditioned, relative world of forms
that physics describes.
I think its a bit confusing to use them as analogies for the formless,
unconditioned, eternal perspective of the current moment known.
--Chris
Thanks,
--Chris
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2012/1/14 覺妙精明 <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Hi Ed, If I remember correctly, this is the second time that you
have asked this question and it is an important one. Let me
address it again.
In short, any attachment (insistence) of any concept, whether fore
or against, is the act of our discriminating mind working in the
concept and logic domain, which is emptiness by nature. In others
dualistic, or illusory.
Mike and Edgar both said in similar ways, "there is nothing
except, majority is in the formless (96% is dark energy and dark
matter)" In other words, all concepts, logic and words are
emptiness by nature. Yet all are valid, because they all are
there serving the universe for some reason.
By asserting one is valid or not valid, we are discriminating,
categorizing emptiness itself.
"Just This" is "ontological energy", is "chi", is "Buddha Nature",
is "just sit", is "not thinking", is "...." They all serve the
same purpose or objective, though they may differ in the detailed
instructions.
I trust most of the people in this forum emphasizes the fact
"sitting", is an effective way to let our inner wisdom unfold, so
that we could live in harmony. And all discussions are really for
awaking ourselves. All are valid. Any instance or denial of any
logic or concept is an "attachment to dharma". Dharma is
everywhere and in every moment, (Diamond Sutra)
In short, Chan is One. One is ALL.(Hsinhsin Ming) Unless we
"see" clearly all forms (logic, concept) are valid as well as
invalid(empty), then we are not in sync with the wisdom of the
universe. In other words, all "effects", though impermanent and
emptiness by nature, exist for a reason.
We strive to live a life "as is", accept "as is", then we see
"cause and effect", as well as its "nature of emptiness".
jm
On 1/14/2012 7:34 AM, ED wrote:
Bill,
To assert that 'cause and effect' is an illusory concept is
dualistic -
and so is denial that the concept is illusory ???
Thanks, ED
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<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill!" <BillSmart@...>
<mailto:BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Anthony,
>
> I don't consider myself 'more advanced' than you. In fact if
anything
I would like to think I am 'less advanced' than you. In the case
of zen
practice the more you unlearn and the less advanced you are from your
Original Nature the better.
>
> I believe the concept of 'cause-and-effect' (like all concepts) is
illusory. ONE of the reasons I believe this is because the concept of
cause-and-effect is completely dependent upon the belief in a
sequencial, serial, uni-directional flow of time. Cause-and-effect
requires at least two separate actions, one - the cause- which
happens
before the other - the effect.
>
> There is no sequencial, serial, uni-directional flow of time.
There is
only an ILLUSION of a sequencial, serial, unidirectional flow of
time.
There is only Now. The past exists only in our mind - we call this
memory. The future exists only in our mind as a logical
projection(based
on our belief in cause-and-effect) of a concatenation of our
illusion of
Past and Now.
>
> And, to employ the also equally illusory power of logic I can
state:
since the flow of time itself is illusory any concept based on
time must
also be illusory.
>
> I hope this helps to retard you a little...
>
> ...Bill!
