Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: important
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: try it out
As if anyone is foolish enough to click on a link like this. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of p...@homemail.com.au Sent: Monday, 17 August 2015 7:34 PM To: Aus Soaring; aussoaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; Aus-Soaring mail list; aus-soaring; Dan Van der Meulen; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; foxy; geoffwadley; gqopslist; Jarek Mosiejewski; John Thomson; Jon Blacklock; Jon Blacklock; Michael Conway; mike; Mr Friend; Ross Larcombe; tyeyoung; wombat49; angeldave15; anil.jindal; boccaj; ccmsys2; dale.o.musick; ellen.barns; harjeet_kaurjee; jayefel; jepaschiii; jim_s_14206 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fw: try it out Hey! Have you already seen it? http://zwanenhalsdozen.nl/lying.php?v http://zwanenhalsdozen.nl/lying.php?3iw p...@homemail.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Omarama to Mount Cook and return in 3 minutes
For anyone who wonders about mountain soaring in New Zealand, I have put this (very) short video on Youtube, showing a flight from Omarama to Mou8nt Cook and back. The whole flight was over 4 hours: this is a speeded up version assembled from photos taken every 4 seconds on my ReplayXD camera. Apologies for the flashing text. The video is at https://youtu.be/fpuVm0velW8 Derek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
The unloved trailer at Camden was not for the Camden based s10. It is a traditional (and large) steel clad design and belonged to Neil Cox, who based his s10 at Bankstown. Neil was tragically killed , along with his 4 year old son, due to an engine fire when returning to Bankstown from Camden a number of years ago. The wing hoists are sitting in our hangar at Camden. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Orton Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 1:57 PM To: Aus-Soaring mail list Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Hi I have done some work on/with a Stemme S10 trailer, it was the S10 that was a Camden for many years. I have been told it was the first Cobra trailer built for an S10. It is a large clamshell Cobra (I think) with a fibreglass top. The arrangement is the outer wing panels go in the sides as per standard method and the heavy wing centre section goes in along the bottom floor. The Fuselage then sits on a wide dolly that straddles the main wing section Also the tail plane goes in the roof I think. The trailer came with its own mobile hydraulic hoist which you had to assemble with bolts and wing nuts. The hoist/crane was a modified engine hoist with large pneumatic tyres. Those engine hoists are available from super crap auto for $250 to $300 I think. It works for the Stemme however the cord width for a Kookaburra is fairly big and hence it may be difficult to locate the wing underneath the fuse. Regards, John Orton On 09/07/2015 7:57 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Peter, I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and it was twenty plus years ago. Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center section. Mike At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider is sort of bolted on. Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd sourcing ideas for that. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Derek, Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! Perhaps this is a very good thing! As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Sounds hideous... -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Sounds hideous... -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away from the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service. The trailer is pretty atrocious and it is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load the glider. Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, rigging aids etc. Peter Champness___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Theres an unused and unwanted Stemme trailer sitting at Camden Airport if anyone wished to take it away and modify it. It originally was owned by Steve Fossett. Neil Coxs widow didnt want it and our club has no use for it. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 9:51 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Peter, I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and it was twenty plus years ago. Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center section. Mike At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider is sort of bolted on. Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd sourcing ideas for that. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Derek, Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! Perhaps this is a very good thing! As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Sounds hideous... -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away from the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service. The trailer is pretty atrocious and it  is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load the glider. Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, rigging aids etc. Peter Champness___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit
Re: [Aus-soaring] July Issue - Gliding International
Hopefully the editing has improved. There were three (3) articles in the last edition that were truncated mid sentence. Several stories appeared to be translated by google due to the mangled English. A bit of judicious editing would not go amiss there either. 'We are the best at what we do' . Live up to the claim. Earn yourself un chapeau From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Roake Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2015 12:52 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] July Issue - Gliding International : GLIDING INTERNATIONAL ISSUE JULY 2015 Your copy of Gliding International will be in your mail box next week. This issue has a wide range of exceptional stories and photographs including : . An appraisal of what a well configured simulator can do to your club. (Not just a desk top computer type operation either). Apart from being a financial generator, it can sustain and add to membership and create a whole new club atmosphere. A desirable situation. Aldo Cernezzi, our in house, sailplane evaluator reports on the sophisticated operation now running at the Milan (Italy) club. This article should be read by every club committee member! . Elke Fugslang-Petersen spent two days at the Aero 15, Friedrichshafen, Germany, spying out the next new models and reporting on what the sport can expect in the next 12 months. She is a good journalists and an exceptional reporter with a keen eye for detail. Worth reading by every soaring pilot. . New African soaring centre - this one is in a modern civilised town -where the comforts of home welcome the soaring pilot to the soaring scene of a life-time. Its called Kuruman and is on the Sth African/Botswana border. It promises to be cheaper than any other African soaring centre and our German reporter, Markus Geisen gives it the thumbs up. Hs writes well (about the 500 klm he did without planning one afternoon. Southern Africa, Namibia and now Kuruman are sites to be explored, but we recommend Kuruman for the soaring holiday of a life time. . The Horton Brother made their fame in designing flying wings (aircraft with no fuselage) and actually designed a glider that flew in the 1940s in Germany. They made four flying sailplanes but none survives to this day. There is one non flying replica in a German Aero museum. Well one has been under construction for 15 years and nearing completion. Was displayed at Aero 15 this year. The story behind the story is told in this issue. . The German Aero Research organisation DLR has found a simple way to repair glass fibre and have built a small machine that makes repairs a breeze. The unit on display in this news item for all to see. . The story on the Soaring Condor is a nature study of interest to soaring pilots. Down to less than six breeding pairs 10 years ago they have been nursed back to survival. The Condor has the biggest wing area of any soaring bird and have the original flying wing with winglets. A fascinating story. . This issue we take you into the 80 year old Winter Instrument factory in Germany. A surprisingly complex organisation essential to the success of gliding. . The DLR wing profile changing program that has been under development has proved to be eminently successful. Has profound possibilities for gliding and its future. A follow on story from the original that appeared in the previous issue. . The United Kingdom to appoint an aviation ombudsman. This item will lead the way for similar appointments elsewhere and a welcome overseer to prevent hasty CAA hassles. Will your country follow up on this appointment? . Blanik has come out with a new sailplane that has lots and lots of improvements. (Has a 6000 hour wing life). More in this issue with photos. . Introducing a new book - 'Dancing with the Wind devoted to wave flying, its problems, dangers and adversities. This 304 page text book on waves should be in everyone's library. Book now available. Printed in France in excellent English. . An answer has been found to bugs sticking to wings. (At last) Will make bug wipers an unnecessary (costly adjunct) to wing design. . The likely start to a war on white painted sailplanes. A group advocating colour - any colour but white. . Plus 35 other stories that will educate and inform. We hope you will join us. JOHN ROAKE EDITOR. NEW (or RENEWING) SUBSCRIBERS CAN EASILY EFFECT A SUBSCRIPTION BY GOING TO OUR WEB PAGE - www.glidinginternational.com _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Jet powered gliders
“That ain’t flying, it’s falling with style” Very impressive. Is that all weight shift? I couldn’t see control surfaces. I bet that these will feature in the next James Bond movie. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Saturday, 23 May 2015 9:21 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Jet powered gliders Use full screen and HD! Magic! Strap four jets on you and fly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=Czy0pXRRZcs v=Czy0pXRRZcs ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Latest from DG
“You wouldn’t get me up in one of those things” http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/fileadmin/volo-komplett-3.jpg real product! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] cloudstreet
Great scenery, very impressive website -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley Sent: Friday, 15 May 2015 12:48 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] cloudstreet http://www.cloudstreethd.org/buy/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy
Twice. Both in state comps. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of James Dutschke Sent: Monday, 27 April 2015 7:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy Straw poll. Has anyone, had a vario failure. Sent from my iPhone On 27 Apr 2015, at 19:14, Nick Gilbert cirru...@gmail.com wrote: Surely a backup electric vario is a more useful backup than a mechanical? With its own emergency battery you get a backup audio and averager as well as the needle. With all the stress that goes with a power failure having to stare at the instrument would make things worse. Nick On 27 Apr 2015, at 5:41 pm, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: I have just been choosing instruments for a new glider. I did wonder for a moment after reading Adam's post whether I had wasted money on the Winter Vario. However I agree with Mike. A set on basic instruments (redundancy) is good insurance. In my case I have something in case of electrical failure. No doubt thermal can be found and used without any instruments, but it difficult. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 27/04/2015, you wrote: There’s no need for a winter backup now Maybe not a Winter vario as backup but you should have a backup. Adam's advice is probably the silliest thing I've read in a long time. The only time you may reasonably want to rely on one vario is in a motorglider if you are prepared to start the motor and fly home if the single vario fails. Too bad if you are half way round a 500km triangle and set to win the Nationals if you do reasonably this day. For the paleo engineless gliders you are likely to risk an outlanding with its attendant hazards. Pretty stupid to risk breaking your glider or yourself over lack of a backup. If you are serious about competition you should be equipped to cope with single failures of equipment. Most people carry two flight recorders for good reason. A main navigation system and some reasonable backup is also necessary. Hint: fly with the backups working. The time to find out they have failed is NOT when you've had another failure. The backup vario may also have a different speed of response and will likely just display TE vario. Your primary should be showing netto (airmass) or relative netto ( airmass offset down by the sink rate in circling flight - this means it always shows the rate of climb you would get if you slowed down and circled, no matter your current airspeed). The two varios may show slightly different information without changing modes which can be useful. We've all had even modern electronic equipment fail. Phones, PC's GPS , etc etc. It is pretty good nowadays but anyone doing what Adam says is tempting fate, Murphy's Law and what a physics teacher of mine called the innate cussedness of inanimate matter. When you decide to use a backup you might like to consider that the Winter doesn't have an audio or an averager. Do you really want to be sharing thermals with other gliders without an audio? If flying cross country you would find you would miss the averager. If you have a backup electronic vario it should have its own independent backup power supply. While a glider electrical system can be fused properly so that the radio for example developing an internal short doesn't take out the main battery fuse (and if everything dies because of this or similar , are you going to simply flip the switch to battery 2 and take out *its* fuse also?) I suspect many aren't. If you decide to join the 21st century for your backup vario get in touch and I'll sell you something you'll be happy to fly with when you need it. Mike Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates
Use the Wayback Machine! http://archive.org/web/ For those not familiar with the Wayback Machine, it is an archive of the web: not in its entirety, but very comprehensive nonetheless. Anyway the syndicate agreement was in the June 2001 snapshot. The proviso is reproduced below: This document contains typical and usual provisions for a glider syndicate agreement plus an addendum when a licensed T-Hanger or hanger space is being used by the syndicate. It is offered free of charge to GFA members by MatthewsFolbigg however careful advice should to be taken before using it as it will not apply verbatum to many syndicate arrangements. Also, partnership laws are somewhat different in each state of Australia and are distinctly different in other countries. GFA members are welcome to telephone Paul Matthews on (02) 9806 7453 for brief advice as to their needs without charge. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2015 9:24 AM To: Laurie Hoffman; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates Hi all, Such a document was there at one time, but not now. I suspect it was removed because it isn't a matter where GFA has any involvement, and because of a concern that members who used it uncritically could later claim that a problem arising was to some extent GFA's fault. So having it there could have placed GFA as a party to an otherwise private dispute. This is speculation. I don't have any knowledge of the reasons it was there in the first place, or the official reasons for its removal. I don't have a copy. Members who are currently in syndicates may well have agreements they could share with the original questioner on a private basis. Although I am very happy with my current syndicate arrangements, I agree with Mike that the ideal number of syndicate members is an odd number less than 3. Cheers Tim Shirley tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare On 24/03/2015 9:00 AM, Laurie Hoffman wrote: GFA used to have a suggested syndicate formation pro forma which may still be available on the website. Regards Laurie Hoffman _ From: Mike Borgelt mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015, 20:50 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates At 06:48 PM 23/03/2015, you wrote: Getting out of partnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult than getting in. Does anyone have a good set of rules or rule for syndicate operation and exit of members? Is there a rule or rules that might help avoid a bad experience that you have had? Trevor Burke Rule 1. There shall be only one member in the syndicate. Rule 2. See Rule 1. Guaranteed to avoid problems. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring syndicat.doc Description: MS-Word document ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm Install
Hopefully NOT a target :) -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2015 10:51 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Flarm Install Yes, i agree with Erich that correct Flarm Antenna installation is critical. Over the last 2 years since taking an interest in this particular aspect, I have observed some horrible installs with the antennas stuck to the sides of radios or Varios, planar antennas (paddle pop) pointing the wrong way, antenna buried in loom wiring, crushed cabling etc etc. Remember to also have the GPS antenna mounted with a clear and unobstructed view of the sky. I even saw one of those mounted upside down and another vertically mounted. If you think your aerial is poorly placed, then please, ask around and get someone in your club who knows about these things to help you position it correctly, it might be your life that is saved. I also agree that there is no substitute for head up and out which is why i have voice annunciation. My flarm display is also smack in the center and right at the top of the panel so i have minimum target acquisition time when needed. Regards Richard On 17 Mar 2015, at 10:22 am, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Bolts (Graham Holland) 2. Re: Flarm support non existant (Ian Mc Phee) 3. Re: Swiss Flarm fix (Erich Wittstock) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 09:28:36 +1100 From: Graham Holland grahamholl...@iinet.net.au Subject: [Aus-soaring] Bolts To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: a58e0ae9-202c-476b-9099-d7b6c3141...@iinet.net.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 A recent posting revealed some difficulty in sourcing bolts for gliders. I didn?t think they were that arcane. Basic Sailplane Engineering (BSE) says that ?All German and some other European gliders use bolts that have been manufactured to a DIN specification.? (p.1.5.1) and that the most common bolt meets DIN 931. So how easy is it to buy such a bolt? Din 931 has been superseded by ISO 4014-2011, Hexagon head bolts-product grade A and B. This is identical to AS 1110.1-2000, ISO metric hexagon headed bolts and screws - product grade A and B ? bolts. Many Australian fastener suppliers such as Coventry Fasteners (aka Konnect), Tower Fasteners and James Glen supply high tensile steel bolts to AS 1110.1. Stainless steel bolts to DIN 931 are also available. So it seems to be more a matter of bolts for aircraft rather than aircraft bolts. I would expect glider manufacturers to specify bolts, but I could not find any reference to a bolt specification in the maintenance manual for the Duo Discus and PW5 (they were to hand). Where would it be? Graham Graham Holland 27 Johnston Crescent Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia 02 9427 3282 grahamholl...@iinet.net.au -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments /20150317/6b3b6b6a/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:00:40 +1100 From: Ian Mc Phee mrsoar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm support non existant To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: CAAMD4KoGokqGyFJFH5rve=3lrrftmxghmegcmda2aaf4cxo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That is not good re classic flarm units. I do know in Germany and Austria companies are obliged to provide 10 years after sales service after production ceases. Look at Glassflugel if you wanted a spring for a Std Libelle it would be in the post today and you will receive next week. Hanko and Christian still provide outstanding service. I would have thought the Swiss would have similar rules. G Winter Co (Achim Winter) will service a 50 year old vario and maybe it will cost Eur120 but it will be just as good as new. The future may be an issue only because there are not many young people becoming watch makers which is the type of person Achim Winter needs in his company. I have Cambridge logger sr no C001. Yes it the first ever logger in the world from 1993. It has
Re: [Aus-soaring] e-book publishing
A spring chicken :) I agree. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of pam Sent: Friday, 13 March 2015 11:01 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] e-book publishing I don't mind reading a novel as an e-book (very convenient indeed, I haven't book a printed novel for years) but I prefer a printed book where there are a lot of diagrams and pictures. I don't know how the younger generation gets on with technical books in e-form, but it doesn't work for me. And I'm only 60. Pam -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Vincent Sent: Friday, 13 March 2015 10:02 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] e-book publishing Hi Bernard, I, like many of the older generation (+75) would certainly prefer the printed copy. I think it is a splendid book, with the current version on my bookshelf and the earlier versions circulating amongst the club's up and coming soaring pilots. Regards, Geoff V At 08:19 AM 13/03/2015, you wrote: Good morning all Our overseas distribution centre has just advised that they will soon run out of stock on my book: “Advanced Soaring Made Easyâ€. This raises the question whether we should commit to another print run or revert to e-book publishing in future. To make the right decision I need all the assistance I can get and it would help greatly if members of this forum could provide advice on e-book publishing preferably based on first hand experience. I would also appreciate a bit of general feedback on whether my fellow aviators would prefer traditional printed literature or whether they would rather read an e-book. Many thanks for your trouble and kind regards to all of you. Bernard PS: Off line replies are also most welcome! (mailto:ec...@internode.on.netec...@internode.on.net) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NASA talks gliders
Morgan, eat your heart out J Barrel rolls in that thing at 40k feet? I doubt it. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Darin McLean Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2015 1:50 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; r...@googlegroups.com Subject: [Aus-soaring] NASA talks gliders http://www.gizmag.com/nasa-glider-launch-satellites-tgals/36010/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competitive club class sailplane wanted to buy.
You weren’t the first Justin: The trivia at the foot of the page below states: The Skutters were referenced by a team of roboteers in the third series of Robot Wars (A show which was hosted for 6 years by Craig Charles) known as Team Scutterbots, who named their first robot after them, calling it Scutter's Revenge http://robotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scutter%27s_Revenge , which featured the Skutters being painted on the sides. Craig Charles would make an in-joke at the name, stating after its first victory I wonder what a Scutter is? From: Derek Ruddock [mailto:drudd...@iinet.net.au] Sent: Friday, 20 February 2015 7:11 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Competitive club class sailplane wanted to buy. What, you’ve never watched Red Dwarf? A Scutter is a small robot. See link http://reddwarf.wikia.com/wiki/Skutters From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2015 9:23 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competitive club class sailplane wanted to buy. What's a Scutter mate, never heard of her Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 19 Feb 2015, at 8:14 pm, Grant Hudson granthuds...@gmail.com wrote: Scutter in a Phoebus would eat Ingo alive! Grant Hudson On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:38, James Dutschke james.m.dutsc...@gmail.com wrote: The gauntlet has been thrown. I betting Ingo could bring a std cirrus out of retirement and show who's who, what's what. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:23, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Benalla next 2 years will be multiclass, not Club Class. I rather doubt that the winning glider in January 2017 will have cost less than $60K. :) ---BeginMessage--- What, you’ve never watched Red Dwarf? A Scutter is a small robot. See link http://reddwarf.wikia.com/wiki/Skutters From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2015 9:23 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competitive club class sailplane wanted to buy. What's a Scutter mate, never heard of her Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 19 Feb 2015, at 8:14 pm, Grant Hudson granthuds...@gmail.com wrote: Scutter in a Phoebus would eat Ingo alive! Grant Hudson On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:38, James Dutschke james.m.dutsc...@gmail.com wrote: The gauntlet has been thrown. I betting Ingo could bring a std cirrus out of retirement and show who's who, what's what. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:23, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Benalla next 2 years will be multiclass, not Club Class. I rather doubt that the winning glider in January 2017 will have cost less than $60K. :) ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- What, you’ve never watched Red Dwarf? A Scutter is a small robot. See link http://reddwarf.wikia.com/wiki/Skutters From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2015 9:23 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competitive club class sailplane wanted to buy. What's a Scutter mate, never heard of her Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 19 Feb 2015, at 8:14 pm, Grant Hudson granthuds...@gmail.com wrote: Scutter in a Phoebus would eat Ingo alive! Grant Hudson On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:38, James Dutschke james.m.dutsc...@gmail.com wrote: The gauntlet has been thrown. I betting Ingo could bring a std cirrus out of retirement and show who's who, what's what. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:23, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Benalla next 2 years will be multiclass, not Club Class. I rather doubt that the winning glider in January 2017 will have cost less than $60K. :) ---End Message--- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competitive club class sailplane wanted to buy.
What, you’ve never watched Red Dwarf? A Scutter is a small robot. See link http://reddwarf.wikia.com/wiki/Skutters From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2015 9:23 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competitive club class sailplane wanted to buy. What's a Scutter mate, never heard of her Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 19 Feb 2015, at 8:14 pm, Grant Hudson granthuds...@gmail.com wrote: Scutter in a Phoebus would eat Ingo alive! Grant Hudson On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:38, James Dutschke james.m.dutsc...@gmail.com wrote: The gauntlet has been thrown. I betting Ingo could bring a std cirrus out of retirement and show who's who, what's what. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:23, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Benalla next 2 years will be multiclass, not Club Class. I rather doubt that the winning glider in January 2017 will have cost less than $60K. :) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Two Seater Nationals
You don't need a DG1000: take the K13! (but don't go as far :) ) -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2015 6:02 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Two Seater Nationals the GFA pilot training programme for more cross-country exposure during the ab-initio stage. Who said that! If only that happened more during training. IMHO, that's the single most important thing for a club to do when trying to make the conversion from student pilot to addicted and committed flyer. Having done enough HG flying to know what I was up for, the endless circuit training did not kill my enthusiasm but it can. My son said at one point that he was wondering what it was all about until he got to cloud base on day… and I don't think anyone ever took him XC during training. I have tried to persuade our club to stop the clock and some point and say to students at some point, this is not being charged for… we're going to fly somewhere for an hour to show you why we all do it. I'm sure it would make a big difference to the number of pilots who drop out after going solo. But then we don't have something like the DG which would make getting home more likely than in a Grob or K21 :-) D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Press
Pilot got caught out by rain and landed and had no phone. The L2 called the police and eventual started a SAR From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Friday, 9 January 2015 1:42 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Press “.was required to drop from 8000 feet to 3700 feet as part of the assessment..” Wonder what that’s about? From: Mike Borgelt mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 11:10 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Press Yup, story screwed up. Then you read the rest of the paper and believe every word. Mike On 9 Jan 2015, at 8:49 am, Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au wrote: First sentence says he crashed. Last one said he landed in a paddock without incident. Don’t they need to pick one. Scott On 9 Jan 2015, at 11:44 am, Nelson Handcock nelson.handc...@gmail.com wrote: Outlanding equals crash according to this media... http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/2805595/glider-pilot-found-safe/?cs=148 Thanks Regards, Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Puchacz spinning
I found this video which demonstrates the spin characteristics of the pooch. Note the tuck-under on some of the spins. The IS28 used to do this too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-UOMTUs7xA#t=21 From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2014 2:31 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training So where did you get your knowledge of the Puch spin in at Cal city? Mike On 28 Dec 2014, at 8:59 am, stephenk steph...@internode.on.net wrote: And that is what is so annoying about this whole discussion. Only a little factual documentation* exists about the whole issue. Yes, I have seen a number of posts by the person you mentioned but dont recall/cant find one like that. Here's a post from the same person https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.aviation.soaring/JQvuWQYd-9k regarding the rudder dropping off a Puchacz, with later posters giving a link to an FAA report which purportedly confirms it. Except the link doesn't confirm it, no incident seems to exist in the FAA database now and another poster said they were from the club in question and the source of the story wasn't telling what really happened. It's happening in this thread too, Derek said he recalled 26 fatalities from Puchacz spin accidents and Bernard has talked about 26 fatal spin accidents. Meanwhile has anyone ever actually seen the original list which was being discussed in the mid 2000's? *And yet another example. Bernard recalls Mike Valentine calling the Puchacz a widow maker. In my previous reply to Derek I almost made mention of _my_ recollections of what Mike V said. Strangely enough, I was at those instructor seminars which Bernard refers to, as from the late 80's till about 2000 I was CFI of Port Augusta gliding club. I do remember Mike V talking about the Puchacz and calling it an honest aeroplane. ie in the sense that it behaved in a text book manner, if you mishandled it it would depart into classic spin behaviour and because it was heavy it would take a fair bit of space below to recover. Not saying Bernards recollection is entirely wrong either, we might be remembering two different parts of the same elephant. Regards SWK On 28/12/2014 10:41 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: I've never seen an official NTSB report on it but it was reported on r.a.s. in a thread on Puch spinning after another Puch spin in elsewhere. IIRC it was Cindy Brickner who posted that information. R.a.s. Is probably archived somewhere. Note also we've had one near spin in by two level 3 instructors in W.A., reported here by one of them And a Puch spin in at Narrogin by an experienced instructor with student from low level thermalling. Maybe all the spin recovery training in the world is simply ineffective when the aim is to prevent spinning in the first place. Spinning is not a normal manoeuvre in soaring flight. Spin prevention training doesn't seem to help much either, although both are a good idea. Simulators may help but we have no information. It seems possible that the real problem is that task prioritisation has been incorrectly or not taught, including the ability to not get distracted, focus on just one thing and forget all the others. It only takes a few seconds. As Alan Rundle once said flying is easy, you can teach a monkey to fly an aeroplane. It is the thinking that goes with it that is hard to teach. Mike On 27 Dec 2014, at 10:05 pm, stephenk steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Mike, you've made this claim before. I assume it is another incident, not the Caracole one (because they weren't that high, nor were they ex test pilots) But I've never been able to find any other references to an accident like this and the NTSB database only seems to show up 4 Puchacz accidents in total EventId InvestigationType AccidentNumber EventDate Location Country Latitude Longitude AirportCode AirportName InjurySeverity AircraftDamage AircraftCategory RegistrationNumber Make Model 20040730X01116 Accident LAX04CA270 07/18/2004 Lone Pine, CA United States 36.588333 -118.051944 O26 Lone Pine Non-Fatal Substantial N19SZ PDPS PZL-BIELSKO SZD-50-3 20040406X00422 Accident FTW04LA103 04/04/2004 Cherry Valley, AR United States 35.370834 -90.750556 Non-Fatal Substantial N18SZ PDPS PZL-Bielsko SZD-50-3 20030605X00794 Accident LAX03LA165 05/26/2003 Minden, NV United States 39.000278 -119.750833 MEV Minden-Tahoe Airport Non-Fatal Substantial N503HC PZL-Bielsko SZD-50-3 20001211X10620 Accident LAX98FA235 07/17/1998 CALIFORNIA CITY, CA United States Fatal(2) Destroyed N7215L PZL-Bielsko SZD 50-3 Do you have any other references? Regards SWK On 27/12/2014 10:22 PM,
Re: [Aus-soaring] ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training
Here's one from the Canadian ATSB which references others. http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2005/a05o0204/a05o020 4.asp From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of stephenk Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2014 1:06 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training Mike, you've made this claim before. I assume it is another incident, not the Caracole one (because they weren't that high, nor were they ex test pilots) But I've never been able to find any other references to an accident like this and the NTSB database only seems to show up 4 Puchacz accidents in total EventId InvestigationType AccidentNumber EventDate Location Country Latitude Longitude AirportCode AirportName InjurySeverity AircraftDamage AircraftCategory RegistrationNumber Make Model 20040730X01116 Accident LAX04CA270 07/18/2004 Lone Pine, CA United States 36.588333 -118.051944 O26 Lone Pine Non-Fatal Substantial N19SZ PDPS PZL-BIELSKO SZD-50-3 20040406X00422 Accident FTW04LA103 04/04/2004 Cherry Valley, AR United States 35.370834 -90.750556 Non-Fatal Substantial N18SZ PDPS PZL-Bielsko SZD-50-3 20030605X00794 Accident LAX03LA165 05/26/2003 Minden, NV United States 39.000278 -119.750833 MEV Minden-Tahoe Airport Non-Fatal Substantial N503HC PZL-Bielsko SZD-50-3 20001211X10620 Accident LAX98FA235 07/17/1998 CALIFORNIA CITY, CA United States Fatal(2) Destroyed N7215L PZL-Bielsko SZD 50-3 Do you have any other references? Regards SWK On 27/12/2014 10:22 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: Well one was two USAF test pilot school graduates from at least 3500 feet AGL. Mike On 27 Dec 2014, at 7:03 pm, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder how many of them were off a winch from 1200 ft? Cheers Paul On Dec 27, 2014 8:29 PM, druddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: From memory there have been about 26 fatalities as a result of spin training in the Puchaz. If you want to release the controls in a spin go ahead but please don't take anyone with you ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training
From http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2005/a05o0204/a05o020 4.asp In 1990, a Puchacz spinning accident that resulted in two fatalities was investigated by the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB). It was determined that the glider had inadvertently entered a spin at an altitude that was too low to allow for recovery. In 2004, the United Kingdom Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) investigated a Puchacz spinning accident that resulted in two fatalities. The AAIB report1 http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2005/a05o0204/a05o02 04.asp#N_1 noted that Puchacz gliders had been involved in five previous spinning accidents in the United Kingdom, four of which resulted in fatalities, and the majority of which were the result of inadvertent spins. The AAIB report made reference to a British Gliding Association (BGA) - sponsored low-speed handling trial of the Puchacz that was conducted in 1994 in response to three fatal Puchacz spinning accidents between 1990 and 1993. The trial was flown by test pilots and instructors. The Puchacz spin recovery was judged against the following standard spin-recovery technique, as outlined in Joint Aviation Regulation (JAR) 22, Acceptable Means of Compliance: 1. Check ailerons neutral. 2. Apply rudder opposite spin. 3. Ease control column forward until rotation ceases. 4. Centralise rudder and ease out of ensuing dive. The Canadian equivalent to JAR 22 is the Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs), Part V - Airworthiness, Standards, Airworthiness Manual Chapter 522, which covers airworthiness standards for gliders and powered gliders. The trial confirmed that the glider was compliant with JAR 22; however, it considered two areas worthy of additional comment. The glider was considered only marginally compliant in respect of stalls during turns, and it was noted that avoidance of uncontrolled rolling and spinning off a turn was reliant on pilot awareness and skill. The trial also noted that the height loss in a spin was significantly greater than on other glider types and that this was largely due to the steep attitude (70º nose down) of the developed spin. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of stephenk Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2014 1:06 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training Mike, you've made this claim before. I assume it is another incident, not the Caracole one (because they weren't that high, nor were they ex test pilots) But I've never been able to find any other references to an accident like this and the NTSB database only seems to show up 4 Puchacz accidents in total EventId InvestigationType AccidentNumber EventDate Location Country Latitude Longitude AirportCode AirportName InjurySeverity AircraftDamage AircraftCategory RegistrationNumber Make Model 20040730X01116 Accident LAX04CA270 07/18/2004 Lone Pine, CA United States 36.588333 -118.051944 O26 Lone Pine Non-Fatal Substantial N19SZ PDPS PZL-BIELSKO SZD-50-3 20040406X00422 Accident FTW04LA103 04/04/2004 Cherry Valley, AR United States 35.370834 -90.750556 Non-Fatal Substantial N18SZ PDPS PZL-Bielsko SZD-50-3 20030605X00794 Accident LAX03LA165 05/26/2003 Minden, NV United States 39.000278 -119.750833 MEV Minden-Tahoe Airport Non-Fatal Substantial N503HC PZL-Bielsko SZD-50-3 20001211X10620 Accident LAX98FA235 07/17/1998 CALIFORNIA CITY, CA United States Fatal(2) Destroyed N7215L PZL-Bielsko SZD 50-3 Do you have any other references? Regards SWK On 27/12/2014 10:22 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: Well one was two USAF test pilot school graduates from at least 3500 feet AGL. Mike On 27 Dec 2014, at 7:03 pm, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder how many of them were off a winch from 1200 ft? Cheers Paul On Dec 27, 2014 8:29 PM, druddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: From memory there have been about 26 fatalities as a result of spin training in the Puchaz. If you want to release the controls in a spin go ahead but please don't take anyone with you ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day:
So when the student finally hops into the Jantar he thinks, great, If I spin, I'll have at least 1500feet before I reach VNE? Sorry, but I think that teaching REAL spinning characteristics and recovery (and hence why spins should be avoided) is more important than simulations I have no issues spinning the 1000. At least I've never had to recover from an inverted spin, unlike an IS28, but that's another story. Derek (who did his spin training in a K7 from 1200feet at Dunstable) From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Leigh Bunting Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2014 5:10 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day: Funny, European and British gliding clubs cherish their K13's. I don't believe gliding there is suffering as a result of teaching in yesterday's gliders. I understand Lasham (?) have 7 or 8 K13's going from dawn till dark. Some years ago I flew the DG-1000 at Camden including spins. Spins nicely but jeez, it's a rocket when it stops and thought then it was gonna scare the c..p out of students who aren't right on the ball and give the instructors even more grey hair than they've got. Anyone know if a DG-1000 is used for ab initio training? At least a K21 takes 1500' to get to Vne. Merry Xmas, Leigh Bunting On 24/12/14 08:25, Tim Shirley wrote: 1. It doesn't seem to be a wise strategy for the future of gliding to teach tomorrows pilots to fly in yesterday's gliders. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] : Hawaiian Pawnee tug in the drink
That's the outcome of having a 'glider' add-on rating to a power licence. They only need an absolute minimum of hours before they can take rides. When I flew there, I was allowed to take the controls, after briefing the pilot on my experience (L2 instructor etc.) There was an offshore wind unfortunately, so no ridge soaring anyway, but there were thermals and we went whale watching over the bay. When I asked the pilot if I could try a spin, he gave an emphatic and terrified 'negative' followed by a lecture of the ' vicious spin characteristics' of the 2-33. When it was time to return, he flew the whole circuit at 80mph. When I asked why, he said the 'Vicious spin characteristics' of the glider required it. I reckon he had never spun anything in his life. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton Sent: Thursday, 25 December 2014 2:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] : Hawaiian Pawnee tug in the drink On 24 Dec 2014, at 10:11 pm, Peter (PCS3) p...@internode.on.net wrote: Great place to ridge soar unless the vog is blown in from the Big Island volcano. f/vog like when we were there. The ridge is parallel and about a klm from the runway. I visited in 2008. The commercial operation there has a clause in their ops manual saying they can't ridge soar, which was a bit disappointing. I suppose you could as a private owner, but there's no club as such. The joyflights are carried out by people with little or no gliding experience: Aerotow to 5000', float down, land. I didn't get the impression that the pilots knew or cared much about thermalling, the one I flew with was sensitive to unusual attitudes and got nervous when I slowed to thermalling speed, and didn't want to know about flying close to the rocks. Bit of a waste of a good site. It'd be great in a northerly! - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day:
personal attacks! Many thanks in advance! Kind regards and a Merry Christmas to Carol and yourself!!! Bernard On 22 Dec 2014, at 11:32 pm, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Ask the guys who've had to strip and refinish a Vorgelat K21. If you think the Blanik was horrible to fly you must have flown a badly rigged example ( possible, given some of the rocket scientists maintaining gliders in Australia) or your perception of flying qualities is somewhat off. OK the comfort of the front seat is nothing to write home about ( my theory is that the seat tester later got a job at GMH, walks in a crouch, has long arms and shaggy hair all over). Mike On 22 Dec 2014, at 8:02 pm, Derek Ruddock mailto:drudd...@iinet.net.au drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: Our IS 28’s were a nightmare to maintain and regularly went out of service for maintenance or due to unavailability of spare parts. The K21’s by contrast are a delight: the only downtime has been for regular and brief servicing. One thing the IS28’s were good at is for the teaching of spins. Derek 205 flights and 86 hours in K21’s 666 flights and 300 hours in IS 28’s 1 flight and 0.7 hours in a Blanik: I reckon that was about 0.7 hours too long J From: mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Leigh Bunting Sent: Monday, 22 December 2014 9:59 PM To: mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day: Gee Mike, I can see that you have never had to work on these eastern-bloc metal gliders. I consider that they were a Communist plot to send western glider pilots mad. I spent 30 years working on Blaniks and they were a nightmare to keep tight. Forever replacing control circuit bearings for one thing. I understand that IS28's are similar. I have many, many more hours tearings Blaniks apart and putting them back together than sitting in the cockpit, even though a Blanik is quite nice to fly. The only thing in a Blanik I never took apart was the oleo strut. Back in the days Mike Burns was CTO, I said to him that I could ground every Blanik in Australia because one AD required measuring spar pin holes to 3-decimal places with tolerances to 4 IIRC. I had access to metrology equipment that could measure those numbers. Our Blaniks were out of spec then and I imagine no used Blanik then or now would comply - if that joke of an AD is still applicable. After we sold our last Blanik, I followed the new owner down to the airfield gate and locked it behind him so he couldn't get back in if he changed his mind. Then I went to the RTO/A and had all my metal ratings removed, so now I cannot even DI a tin can. These things were never meant to last as long as we have had them. Especially in our dusty climate. In the Communist countries, I'm led to believe that they replaced them regularly. I'm sure they never slaved over them like we have. There are even odd individuals who LIKE working on the things. These people are very 'special' to be politically correct. Having flown an IS28 once, I find your comparison to an ASK21 puzzling. Maybe on paper, but certainly not in practice. I found that you could thermal the thing with negative flap and it didn't appear to make any difference to positive flap. It's front pole was even longer than a Blanik's. I seem to remember feeling like having to look around my hand to see ahead. Anyway, the IS28 is nowhere near as pleasant as an ASK21. At least in a Blanik, I could thermal with full flap, elevator and trim against the back stops and 25kts or less on the dial. Let us know how many hours you have flying a Blanik, IS28 and ASK21 and I'll dig out mine so we can compare experience. Cheers and happy xmas, Leigh Bunting On 22/12/14 15:08, Mike Borgelt wrote: Shameful is what it is. It is well known that metal aircraft have two problems when they age: Fatigue and corrosion, both of which can be inspected for and rectified if required. Now it may not be economical to do the rectification but that can depend on the particular circumstances of the owner. Nothing to do with calendar life at all and an IS28 is hardly obsolete for the purposes for which it is flown. As I have noted before, an ASK21 is essentially a fibreglass IS 28. Look them up in Martin Simon's book on sailplanes 1965 to 2000. What a pity we don't have in this country an organisation dedicated to promoting the interests of glider pilots and glider owners. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http
Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day:
Our IS 28's were a nightmare to maintain and regularly went out of service for maintenance or due to unavailability of spare parts. The K21's by contrast are a delight: the only downtime has been for regular and brief servicing. One thing the IS28's were good at is for the teaching of spins. Derek 205 flights and 86 hours in K21's 666 flights and 300 hours in IS 28's 1 flight and 0.7 hours in a Blanik: I reckon that was about 0.7 hours too long J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Leigh Bunting Sent: Monday, 22 December 2014 9:59 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day: Gee Mike, I can see that you have never had to work on these eastern-bloc metal gliders. I consider that they were a Communist plot to send western glider pilots mad. I spent 30 years working on Blaniks and they were a nightmare to keep tight. Forever replacing control circuit bearings for one thing. I understand that IS28's are similar. I have many, many more hours tearings Blaniks apart and putting them back together than sitting in the cockpit, even though a Blanik is quite nice to fly. The only thing in a Blanik I never took apart was the oleo strut. Back in the days Mike Burns was CTO, I said to him that I could ground every Blanik in Australia because one AD required measuring spar pin holes to 3-decimal places with tolerances to 4 IIRC. I had access to metrology equipment that could measure those numbers. Our Blaniks were out of spec then and I imagine no used Blanik then or now would comply - if that joke of an AD is still applicable. After we sold our last Blanik, I followed the new owner down to the airfield gate and locked it behind him so he couldn't get back in if he changed his mind. Then I went to the RTO/A and had all my metal ratings removed, so now I cannot even DI a tin can. These things were never meant to last as long as we have had them. Especially in our dusty climate. In the Communist countries, I'm led to believe that they replaced them regularly. I'm sure they never slaved over them like we have. There are even odd individuals who LIKE working on the things. These people are very 'special' to be politically correct. Having flown an IS28 once, I find your comparison to an ASK21 puzzling. Maybe on paper, but certainly not in practice. I found that you could thermal the thing with negative flap and it didn't appear to make any difference to positive flap. It's front pole was even longer than a Blanik's. I seem to remember feeling like having to look around my hand to see ahead. Anyway, the IS28 is nowhere near as pleasant as an ASK21. At least in a Blanik, I could thermal with full flap, elevator and trim against the back stops and 25kts or less on the dial. Let us know how many hours you have flying a Blanik, IS28 and ASK21 and I'll dig out mine so we can compare experience. Cheers and happy xmas, Leigh Bunting On 22/12/14 15:08, Mike Borgelt wrote: Shameful is what it is. It is well known that metal aircraft have two problems when they age: Fatigue and corrosion, both of which can be inspected for and rectified if required. Now it may not be economical to do the rectification but that can depend on the particular circumstances of the owner. Nothing to do with calendar life at all and an IS28 is hardly obsolete for the purposes for which it is flown. As I have noted before, an ASK21 is essentially a fibreglass IS 28. Look them up in Martin Simon's book on sailplanes 1965 to 2000. What a pity we don't have in this country an organisation dedicated to promoting the interests of glider pilots and glider owners. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
What’s wrong with the scoring Scott? In the day by day totals for the 15 metre class, http://www.soaringspot.com/nsw2014/results/15-meter/day-by-day.html , Matt Gage and Tom Claffey top the results, despite neither having flown on day 1 according to http://www.soaringspot.com/nsw2014/results/15-meter/daily/day1.html . It appears that both have been given 1000 points over and above what they scored on day 2. John Orton should be first according to the stats from day 1 day 2. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of sco...@internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 15 December 2014 9:31 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps For those interested NSW State comps are off and running. Big tasks set today! 777km http://statecomps14.nswgliding.org.au/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps - Temora 13th-20th Dec 2014
The entry form does not have a 2-seater class. Is this an oversight? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Scott Lennon Sent: Friday, 31 October 2014 6:28 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps - Temora 13th-20th Dec 2014 A reminder to those that have put off filling out the entry form and those who have only just decided that they have to be there. It is just two weeks till the early bird entry fee expires on 12th Nov. Get your entry form off the website:- http://statecomps14.nswgliding.org.au/ Send it in and don’t forget to pay into the bank account listed on the entry sheet. For those who have already entered, check the entries page to confirm if you have paid before the 12th Nov. If it is not marked then we have not got your money See you there Scott ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules - in the shit
As the only eye witness to the fatality at Narromine, I CAN comment on the Narromine tragedy. Unlike some, I have not seen the trace, however I could see that the pilot was low but travelling quickly and making good progress into the 20-25kt headwind. A couple of kilometres from the field he attempted to gain height in lift over landable paddocks, with no success. He then continued at a good groundspeed but very low on a straight in approach to the duty runway. Unfortunately for whatever reason he failed to notice the trees on his left, hitting his wing and rotating him in a flat spin onto the road. He was waving from the cockpit as I flew over, so needless to say I was devastated to hear he did not make it. I believe that the finish line encompassed the threshold of the runway. If the finish line had been larger, encompassing the fields on the other side of the river, perhaps this loss of life could have been avoided. I will certainly be advocating this at the next competition I enter… From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Harry Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2014 6:25 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules - in the shit Hi All, Sometimes pilots themselves are not the best judge of safety factors. Their own prejudices and desires can stand in the way of rational decisions. The Q’land Easter comps had a requirement to cross the 3km radius finish line at 500ft. Following objections from pilots wishing to fly straight in finals without height requirements, this condition was not enforced. All pilots have navigational equipment which allows for finishing at a predetermined height. We have in the past year had two serious accidents involving two gliders severely damaged, a fatality and a second very lucky pilot. As far as I am aware In each case there was not a minimum height for crossing a finish line. Certainly the recent Q’land accident would not have occurred if the pilot had allowed extra height for final glide to meet a minimum requirement. Can’t comment on the Narromine tragedy. 500 ft. 3 km from the centre of the airfield allows for a safe finish. If there is a substantial tail wind the circle can be intersected on the downwind leg resulting in a safe interwind landing. A penalty for crossing below the specified minimum height should not be such as to destroy a pilots flight or competition score. One point per foot too low with a 50 ft allowance for instrument error would be more than enough. Any penalty should take into account any pressure changes during the competition. Destroyed gliders result in higher insurance premiums for all and I doubt if we can put a price on a severely or fatally injured pilot. Those of us who get a testosterone rush from fast, low finishes should forgo them in the interest of overall safety or perhaps fly Grand Prix type contests. Harry Medlicott From: Paul Mander mailto:p...@mander.net.au Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:53 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules - in the shit I think you’ve been a bit quick to judge. You state that whilst “Jim chose to fly on”, two other pilots made quite routine outlandings 7km back on the track, implying a greater wisdom on their part. Those outlandings were not routine, if you study the traces. They were straight in landings just as was Jim’s. One of them makes a desperate last circle close to the ground then straightens up and lands. There is a striking similarity in all three traces, which paint a cautionary picture. All three picked up climbs just before their last turn, and then appear to consider themselves on final glide. Then they turn into a 20kt headwind from the SW, lose their final glide and start to search for lift. All three try to thermal again without success. All three glide on and the ground rises up to smite them; the other two are simply 7km further out when it does. There are undoubtedly lessons to be learnt from their experience, not the least being how quickly thermals die in Queensland and how quickly the trap can snap. But it’s not instructive, or fair, to make out that one was foolish where others were wise. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2014 10:45 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules - in the shit Michael Texler in his post of the evening of 28 Oct, finally “Got It”. Tim has now amplified matters, so that to mis-quote one famous author, “even a schoolboy can understand”. Just a preamble: the point I really want to make is
[Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Temora
Is there a web site containing detail of the comp? The aero club site has not been updated in 2 years. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding International - November 2014 issue
Or a house brick From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Champness Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2014 9:07 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding International - November 2014 issue A Guinness Book record flight from 96,000 feet. A model glider flies 132 klms after being released from a Balloon in an interesting US Airforce Academy experiment. L/D= 4.5 Not exceptional even for a model. Maybe it was a model of the space shuttle. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, John Roake j...@johnroake.com wrote: GLIDING INTERNATIONAL ISSUE NOVEMBER 2014 Expect your copy of the magazine in your mail box late next week. The usual mix of great stories including : • A horrific story – Our subscriber ordered a new sailplane and remitted €100,000. After four years, there was no sign of the sailplane (from a major manufacturer) nor his money, so he began the long process of getting his money back via the German courts who threatened the manufacturer with bankruptcy. After five years, he got his refund plus expenses, but herein lies a warning for potential buyers. The full story in detail. • The authorative soaring journalist, Elk Fuglasang-Petersen (Germany) writes about the O.L.C. (On-Line Contest) in detail. A complete review of the 2014 scene which ended mid-September. The statistics are absorbing. • Imagine - 23 billion Euros is to be spent on the Americans G.P.S. constellation for no financial rewards. Gliding correspondent extraordinaire, Rod Dew, has researched the project which is not only exceptionally well written and illustrated, but extremely interesting and educational. Worth reading! • Two exceptional photos of what has happened in our playground (the sky above) during September. • A report on stage two of the Pilot’s Bill of Rights, about to be voted on in the US Senate. • A report on from the University of Southern Denmark about research on an alternate method of storing pilot oxygen. This is fascinating - tests proving ‘re-useable oxygen’ is a distinct possibility. • Another possible use for a tow-plane (tongue in cheek). Air skiing on a surf board is something inventor, Aaron Wypyszynski, of Meridianville, Alabama deems to be possible. He calls it a ‘wing-board’. • An Omarama pilot spends two weeks in the French Alps and flies almost every day. A well written report on the soaring possibilities in France and the unique location he chose to fly with the ‘Buzzards’ of that country. Supported by excellent photographs. The centre spread displays spectacular ‘Coral of the Skies’. • Twenty two year old Luca Bertossio is a World Champion sailplane aerobatic pilot as well as being an airline pilot (in his spare time). He details his training methods, diet, and living habits during training for world events. An entertaining interview. • A Guinness Book record flight from 96,000 feet. A model glider flies 132 klms after being released from a Balloon in an interesting US Airforce Academy experiment. • We report on the history of gliding highest award, the Lilienthal Medal and its 63 recipients since 1938. A ‘Whose Who’ of world gliding. • An in-depth report on the 42nd Vintage Glider Club Rally, staged at Arnborg, Denmark, in August 2014. Francis Humblet writes about the Vintage Rally – the love of his life. One of the most interesting sailplanes was the Ka13 cut down to be an open cockpit two seater. An interesting project for any club looking for something different and inexpensive. • The latest new electric motor-glider is the ‘Song 120’. This single seater will set you back only €38,000 which makes it the cheapest on the market. Details in this issue. • Hungary is renown for the Rubik cube. The father of the cube’s creator, Ernő Rubik was Hungary’s most famous sailplane designer. We pen a story on the history of gliding in that country which is a remarkable location for cross country and wave soaring. • The future of gliding in China is discussed in this issue, which details the design work of an entrepreneur called Tian Yu who leads China's efforts in glider manufacturing. Tian Yu is manufacturing a two seat side by side electric motor glider. The report claims that there are only 117 licensed glider pilots in China but the number is expected to increase substantially over the next few years. • Accidents world wide since our last issue: 13 majors, no sailplanes involved in mid airs but two fatalities. All detailed in this issue. • Plus 35 other stories that will educate and inform. We hope you will join us. JOHN ROAKE EDITOR. NEW (or RENEWING) SUBSCRIBERS CAN EASILY EFFECT A SUBSCRIPTION BY GOING TO OUR WEB PAGE – www.glidinginternational.com ___
Re: [Aus-soaring] Replacement for oxygen tanks on the way?
The first thing I thought when I saw 'can suck oxygen out of a room' is that it's only a matter of time before this stuff is loaded onto bombs. My wife said the same thing. Sad isn't it? A sign of the times. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Robert Hart Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2014 9:44 AM To: Soaring in Australia Subject: [Aus-soaring] Replacement for oxygen tanks on the way? Hi Just came across this article, which talks about scuba diving and medical uses, but which could also be applied to aviation. http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20140210-26269.html -- Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bale out pilots interview.
From one of the photos in the slideshow, it appears that they had 2 overlapping circles. I wonder if they had flarms fitted, and, if so, if they were warning of the impending collision From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2014 11:39 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Bale out pilots interview. Not splattered but nearly minced Sad smile http://www.mkweb.co.uk/News/GALLERY-Milton-Keynes-glider-pilot-Andrew-Presto n-jumps-for-his-life-after-mid-air-crash-2014080520.htm ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] UK club class live
Launching started in today's task (weds) at 10:15pm From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of jim crowhurst Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2014 9:26 PM To: aus soaring Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] UK club class live Sorry link below http://clubclass.onglide.com/current-day.xml _ From: jimcrowhu...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:23:18 +1000 Subject: [Aus-soaring] UK club class live Anyone interested in live tracking technology - this looks good. Looks like all gliders are being tracked. The scoring is good with trending for each pilot. Start gate will open soon I think. Jim ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Discus - was 20M gliders
For any given volume, a narrower drag bucket must perforce have a lower CofG and a commensurate increase in the moment needed to empty the contents. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Smith Sent: Monday, 14 July 2014 9:03 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Discus - was 20M gliders Typically an non-flapped airfoil will have curvature on the lower side of the airfoil to help keep the airflow accelerated on the lower surface as the angle of attack is reduced. An airfoil with laminar flow on the lower surface all the way to near CL=0 will have a fair degree of curve to the lower surface. Look at many of the non-flapped Wortmann sections. As you make the lower surface flatter, the laminar flow will drop out at increasing CL’s. Martin Simons lists the airfoil as HX-83-Nase 80. I suspect that it was part of the first generation inverse design using a computer. It does not appear to have a lot of lower surface curvature. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Champness Sent: Monday, 14 July 2014 7:27 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Discus - was 20M gliders Very Interesting. Do we know what characteristics of the airfoil lead the narrow drag bucket? On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Anthony Smith anthony.sm...@adelaide.on.net wrote: The Discus was the first to explore a new concept in glider design. Previously designers had tried to provide a very wide laminar drag bucket from min sink through to VNE (or thereabouts). The Discus designers decided to optimise the airfoil from around min sink speed to a reasonable inter thermal speed (ie 80 kts without ballast). The idea was to have a great polar performance between climb and cruise speeds and then use water ballast to optimise the aircraft for a given day. The result was an exceptionally low drag airfoil within that CL range, that then got very draggy beyond the 80 kts (low CL end when empty) of the curve. It shows up as quite a pronounced kink in the drag polar. The result was impressive for its day with L/D for a std class ship jumping from 38 to 44:1 (claimed) with quite a gain in the cruise L/D too. The downside was that if you got the ballast too light for a day, you really couldn’t go faster than your inter thermal speed from the kink in the polar without a pretty big drag penalty. To get the best out of the aircraft you had to get it correctly ballasted for the conditions . It obviously worked as the majority - if not all - of the std class gliders today follow the same principal in the design of the airfoil. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Champness Sent: Monday, 14 July 2014 6:37 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 20M gliders That is quite interesting about the Discus suffering loss of performance above 80 knots. I thought the polar curves were more or less the same with progressive loss of L/D with speed. Do any other gliders have the same problem? Is the issue understood? On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Harry hw.medlic...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi Mike, Thanks for the erudite explanation of drag, Reynolds numbers etc. I can only write as a pilot fairly ignorant of what factors influence a gliders performance but the following may be pertinent. Glider manufacturers optimise design, particularly wing design, to be at greatest efficiency over a quite small speed range. Better to be highly efficient over a small speed range than less efficient over a large speed range. Manufacturers used to look at peak efficiency over 50 to 80 knots dry but I suspect modern aerofoils may compress this range even more and maybe look at optimisation towards the higher end of the speed range. Manufacturers tend to be coy about actual polar curves but the original Discus published polar curve was more honest than most. It showed a distinct break and deterioration in performance at about 80 knots dry.. I assumed this was the point where the reduction in angle of attack reached a point where the airflow over the nearly flat lower side of the wing resulted in a break up of the laminar airflow. This reduction in performance was so severe that it was a waste of time climbing in a strong thermal once you could final glide at 80 knots dry and proportionally more if ballasted. The gliders performance degraded so much that it was waste of time.climbing higher. even if a very strong thermal. once the correct final glide speed could be flown. Drag on the fuselage must be related to the angle of the fuselage to the airflow. It
Re: [Aus-soaring] Hank's funeral
The details for Henk's funeral are: 2.30pm on Tuesday 15th Northern Suburbs Memorial Gardens and Crematorium 199 Delhi Rd North Ryde From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Saturday, 12 July 2014 11:45 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hank's funeral Sorry 2.30 pm Tuesday at northetn suburbs crematorium ryde area isn m On 12/07/2014 7:54 AM, Bob Ward wendo...@westnet.com.au wrote: Does anyone know details of Hank Meertens funeral. Regards Bob Ward ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] World comps in Finland
That rear instrument panel leaves a lot to be desired From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Robert Izatt Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 8:45 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World comps in Finland Perhaps you should all wait for the new HpH TwinShark from HpH. First flight in the next 12 months. Available as pure glider/ Jet Sustainer and BinderSolo powered self launcher. http://hphuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/TwinShark_20m_p4.pdf A new self-launching Shark 304MS will be delivered to Australia in October Serial #40. The Shark is a boutique glider but it has a strong following in the US and particularly the UK. I'm the HpH Agent in Australia. Rob Izatt On 10/07/2014, at 10:29 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xrDLQ61474 Standard class definitely seems to be better at high speed. 750kg AUW in 20m class probably doesn't help them either, or at least not with 16sqm of wing. On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Matt Gage m...@knightschallenge.com wrote: Sadly, whilst it was great to see a new glider on the air, nothing can be taken from the comp in terms of potential performance. The 20m class had far more to do with the pilots than the gliders. The Jones brothers would still have won flying a DG505! I got to see it close up for a short period on the last day. Initial impressions were not what I had expected (but neither was the Arcus). In the only thermal we had together, the LS8 at max weight out out climber it and then was gaining in the cruise at 90 knots. I had expected better from both, but again, this was 1 climb and a short period gliding together Matt On 10 Jul 2014, at 9:48, DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com wrote: unlike the grotesque Arcus Well it's difficult to see in the pic, but I guess that the ASG-32 is entirely devoid of those terrible speed robbing bumps. Still, they don't seem to rob that much speed. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] No vodka
2 midairs in the comps, 11 killed in a skydiving accident then this. Who'd want to fly in Poland with that safety record? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2014 7:43 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] No vodka He was sober. Smile Is that a launch cable attached? http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/175723,German-glider-pilot-survives-woodla nd-crash ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] When the wind blows ....
I took it to be a line from the lullaby “ Rock-a-bye baby” The title of the movie is from the lullaby, not vice versa From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Champness Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2014 6:46 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] When the wind blows When the Wind Blows Did anyone else Google this? The title refers to an apocalyptic movie from the 1960's about 2 people trying to manage during a Nuclear attack on Britain. Not managing very well apparently. I looked it up because I thought it was a reference to a movie I saw recently about the designer of the Mitsubishi AM6 fighter (Zero). However that was called The Wind Rises. Did anyone else see it? Peter Champness On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Terry Neumann tfneum...@internode.on.net wrote: Some interesting viewing here. Apologies if it's been posted before. http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/weather/video-extremely-strong-winds-force-super-cubs-air TN _ http://www.avast.com/ Image removed by sender. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GLIDING INTERNATIONAL - JULY ISSUE
Unfortunately, John guilds the lily quite a lot Does that comment also apply to his oft-repeated phrase “We are the best at what we do” I wonder? It certainly does not apply when it comes to editing the mag … ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public.
Lookout, lookout, lookout. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Monday, 2 June 2014 6:52 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/172564,Pilot-killed-in-glider-tournament ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 3.
Will that make the winner of a comp a cunning lingus? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jim Staniforth Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2014 1:10 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 3. Still hoping it will be Lingus. Pez D. Spencer Sailplane Racer cartoons at: http://archive.soaravenal.com/Pez.htm Jim On 5/13/2014 7:07 AM, Redmond Quinn wrote: et tu Brutus Redmond From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Scutter Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014 10:29 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 3. How about Senarus (latin..ish for sixth), which comes after Quintus (latin for fifth). On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org wrote: Bolus. - mark On May 13, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Adam I'Anson adam.ian...@gmail.com wrote: The Dingus Regards, Adam I'Anson On 13 May 2014, at 6:59 pm, Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt die tritus would fly in german. On 13 May 2014 17:25, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 07:32 AM 13/05/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0031_01CF6E7D.7732D0A0 Content-Language: en-au The Bogus? Love it! However there seem to be multiple reports from different sources that the new glider will happen sooner rather than later. I was told that one dealer ordered 8 of them. I wouldn't expect an 18/21/23 though as that might cut into the Quintus and would leave them without a new 15m glider. BTW what exactly is the Ventus 2axS that Tilo is flying in the GP? Anyway my bet on the new name is Tritus. Maybe Tertius is better Latin but doesn't read or sound as well. Maybe an outside chance for Volus? I guess we'll see. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 tel:%2B61-42835%205784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] HP Victor video
I came cross this video yesterday. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKmfMYZ1sw In addition to footage of the gorgeous HP Victor, there are a number of windtunnel demonstrations of airflow over a wing, induced and form drag, stalling etc. Highly recommended Derek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You
I must agree that this move to the subscription model was badly handled and let Naviter know my views. Surprisingly they agreed with them. I also reverted my version to 5.43, and will not upgrade unless there is a compelling reason to do so in the future. I can only hope that my See You Mobile on the Oudie will not move to the same model. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Trezise Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2014 11:28 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] See You Thanks Al. It was a very simple process to reload the downgraded version (5.43) which has now over-written the 6.0 version. I just keep getting prompted to upgrade again ! I think the subscription process is a bit complicated with the ability to subscribe or unsubscribe. If the amount was say $A20/year to cover the cost of upgrades if and when they occurred, I would just pay it. However, with the current amount, I would want to think that the upgrade provided real value before just paying up. Agree, it is a brilliant program ! Rgds John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category
How about some no-water-ballast contests Club Class anyone? -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jim Staniforth Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014 5:30 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category Here's the glider you're after Adam. Dick Butler's first ASW22, serial number two. Tried to attach a pdf but it was too large, here's just the Wil Scheuemann article on water ballast from Soaring, June 1984. Jim On Fri, 1/24/14, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Friday, January 24, 2014, 7:36 PM I like your thinking Mike :) On 25 Jan 2014, at 13:18, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Well you could fly something that looks like one but isn't. Buy ASW22. Make molds from it. Build glider in those molds. Nothing to stop you using pushrods, hardware etc out of the one you bought. Call it the AW1 (or Superpuppup). Put 850 Kg on the gross weight when you apply for the Amateur built Experimental certificate. Mike At 12:32 PM 25/01/2014, you wrote: I'm a Schempp-Hirth fan, through true - but I can't let that get in the way of the ASW22BLE (now a poor mans open class glider), a glider I've always dreamt of owning! You heard it first here Bernard :) Sadly the ASW22 that is for sale (at AU$70k landed in AUS), is sn29, so a small wingspan limited to 750kg. An offline response suggests pretty clearly I couldn't fly it at 850kg during a competition. In the mean time, Schempp-Hirth all the way! Cheers, WPP P.s. Ventus 3 (three), mmm On 25 Jan 2014, at 5:50, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam You don't need to go experimental, mate! The later ASW 22 models are already approved for 850 kg. I'm just a little worried that the ASW 22 might be a little too slippery for you. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Friday, 24 January 2014 7:58 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category If I could get enough water in the wings of an ASW22 that is limited to a MTOW of 750kg... Could I fly it at 850kg under an experimental category glider within the GFA, at an AUS Open Class Nationals? Cheers, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Records in 20 m 2-seater class
Don't forget the DG1000's J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pam Sent: Saturday, 21 December 2013 9:42 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Records in 20 m 2-seater class The Minimum Performances required to set Australian records in the 20m 2-seater class have been reviewed and are now considerably easier to achieve. The new list has been posted on the GFA website. When the class was introduced a year ago, the Minimum Performances were set based on the existing Australian Standard Class records at the time. Following two National Championships in this class, we have been able to make a more realistic estimate of what performances may be expected. So, polish up the club's Duo Discus and have a go! Pam Kurstjens ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simon Hackett appointed to NBN Board
Amen to that -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Welsh Sent: Tuesday, 12 November 2013 1:09 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Simon Hackett appointed to NBN Board Hi Folks, This morning the ABC reported that Malcolm Turnbull has appointed Simon Hackett to the Board of NBN Co. Congratulations Simon! I hope you give us the NBN we need for the future, not a hacked political expedient version. John Welsh. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Dusty the glider tug
Love the number plate: It's been my mantra for 30 years. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Saturday, 9 November 2013 12:12 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Dusty the glider tug It actually started showing in Australia in (I think) late September. I've long since taken my youngest family member to see it. His reaction was pretty consistent with mine - lots of bright colours, but about as shallow as a political policy statement. The premiere of the film worldwide was an outdoor showing at Oshkosh where they did exactly what you're suggesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DustyCH.jpg I do think its a nice colour scheme for a Pawnee, FWIW. But then again, I'm a sucker for orange paint schemes: http://simonhackett.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/rtfm-driveway.jpg :) Simon On 9 Nov 2013, at 9:46 am, Mal Bruce m...@mals.net wrote: Hi, Just a thought Disney's Planes is releasing soon. The attraction and reaction to dusty the Pawnee will be huge. Temora's tug would be a great one with all the air shows they have. How much is a paint job like this maybe GFA marketing can look into this. http://disney.com.au/planes/video/ Mal dusty.jpg___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club vario-continued
Do everyone a favour and spend $10 on a suction mount. It horrifies me to think that glider pilots are staring at their legs during a flight From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013 7:06 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club vario-continued I would like to say XCSoar is great. If you own a $100k glider then perhaps several more thousand on cockpit instruments is your fancy. In my experience they have most of the same niggles: they all need plenty of pre flight work. I fly whatever the club offers at club rates so the club benefits. I carry a $50 Chinese GPS velcro'd to my Jeans. It is now powered by a $50 Kogan USB 6600 mah battery. Sometimes I can fit it on a RAM mount powered by a cigarette lighter fitting in some club gliders. XCSoar provides me with heaps of information: wind velocity after 3 orbits, long snail trail, last thermal sources, in sector at turn points, very accurate final glides, safety heights.. And a multitude of other information. The red/green below/about glide marker on the LHS keeps me safe when local soaring etc. you can see meant traces on the OLC. Simple, effective, cheap and mine in any glider. XCSoar guys, many thanks, please keep it up and open source. Ta... Alan Wilson Canberra for the last 40 years. Sent from my iPad.. So I know about proprietary software. On 18 Oct 2013, at 22:46, Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to support Scott's position. I have run XCSoar on many devices HP 318, Dell Streak, lately on Nexus 7 and Nexus 4., never a problem. On Android even the update take care of themselves. A fantastic project. Cheers Paul On 18 October 2013 16:39, Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au wrote: On 18/10/2013, at 5:27 PM, Mark Fisher wrote: When you run XCSoar you accept the niggles of open source. Food for thought. I really have no comment on how XCSoar runs on the Oudie, never seen or done it. But the comment is about out of line for open source. What phone do you use? Is Android more niggly than iOS? Maybe. What about Chrome vs IE? Open Office vs Office? Firefox? List could go on for a few pages in 8 point font. Quality of projects, installation, documentation and usability is not based on whether it is open source or not. Of course there is a lot more open source software, so you get more of all types :-) Scott ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club vario-continued
XC-Soar works fine on the Oudie From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Scott Penrose Sent: Friday, 18 October 2013 5:39 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club vario-continued On 18/10/2013, at 5:27 PM, Mark Fisher wrote: When you run XCSoar you accept the niggles of open source. Food for thought. I really have no comment on how XCSoar runs on the Oudie, never seen or done it. But the comment is about out of line for open source. What phone do you use? Is Android more niggly than iOS? Maybe. What about Chrome vs IE? Open Office vs Office? Firefox? List could go on for a few pages in 8 point font. Quality of projects, installation, documentation and usability is not based on whether it is open source or not. Of course there is a lot more open source software, so you get more of all types :-) Scott ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 20M Two Seat Nationals - Narromine
So the 2 seater comp overlaps the Narromine Cup? Are you going to combine the briefings? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2013 5:35 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] 20M Two Seat Nationals - Narromine Narromine Gliding Club are hosting the 20Metre 2 Seat Class National Gliding Championships from Thursday 28 November 2013 to Friday 6 December 2013 inclusive, with registration available from Wednesday 27 November. This is the second time this event has been held at Narromine Gliding Club, it was a great success last time and promises even better weather this time around. It is a Stand Alone National Championship and the winners are eligible for selection to compete at the World 20m 2 Seat Class Championships. Duo Discus, DG1000 (and variants), Arcus and any other 20 metre 2 seat gliders are eligible for entry. There must be a crew of 2 and so this is a great opportunity to put an experienced pilot in the back seat of your club two seater and try your hand at competition flying. It is a great and fun competition. For information and competition entry simply click on the following link (or copy/paste it into your browser) to go direct to the Competition website. http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/20mTwoSeat2013.html Hope to see all of you there in November! ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Sports handicap DG1000
Is that a Freudian slip Terry, or did you really deride the handicappers decision? J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Terry Cubley Sent: Sunday, 22 September 2013 8:54 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Sports handicap DG1000 I protested loudly about the bad reference weight of the DG1OOO on the new handicap list. My clear memory was that I was only able to fit 60litres of water into the glider and so used my great mathematical skills to deride the reference weight allocated. The problem however was that my 'memory' was lacking and in fact I could place 60 litres into each wing (a significant difference). This means that my claim was completely incorrect and the handicap committee once again prove that they are very thorough and accurate in determining the appropriate weights and handicaps. My apologies to all concerned, in particular given that one member of the committee put themselves to great effort to collect the relevant data so to help me understand my error. Terry ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Sports handicap DG1000
The DG1000 can actually take 80 litres per side for a max load of 160kg From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Terry Cubley Sent: Sunday, 22 September 2013 8:54 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Sports handicap DG1000 I protested loudly about the bad reference weight of the DG1OOO on the new handicap list. My clear memory was that I was only able to fit 60litres of water into the glider and so used my great mathematical skills to deride the reference weight allocated. The problem however was that my 'memory' was lacking and in fact I could place 60 litres into each wing (a significant difference). This means that my claim was completely incorrect and the handicap committee once again prove that they are very thorough and accurate in determining the appropriate weights and handicaps. My apologies to all concerned, in particular given that one member of the committee put themselves to great effort to collect the relevant data so to help me understand my error. Terry _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6680 - Release Date: 09/19/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Linking to Flarm
So do I need to connect the flarm to a PC to configure it, or is that the default setting? If the former, what software is needed to connect to the flarm? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Goodley Sent: Monday, 16 September 2013 11:23 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Linking to Flarm Just make sure the baud rate on the oudie is set to 19200 and the input port is changed to serial cable on the oudie Mark From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Monday, 16 September 2013 11:06 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Linking to Flarm I would like to link my Oudie to an oz-flarm using the supplied converter cable. Does the Flarm need to be configured in any way (ie to send data and nav info), and if so, how? _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6669 - Release Date: 09/15/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Linking to Flarm
I would like to link my Oudie to an oz-flarm using the supplied converter cable. Does the Flarm need to be configured in any way (ie to send data and nav info), and if so, how? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules
Hi Mandy The reference weight for the DG1000 is still incorrect: the manual a.u.w. is 750 kg, not 630 Cheers Derek From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pete and Mandy Temple Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2013 4:00 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules Hi Derek The document you refer to was a work in progress and was only on the site for a short while, I thought I had set the permissions so only I could see it. I will be more careful in future. It is now deleted. The pdf version is the current version and I believe it is correct. MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2013 2:17 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules Thanks for that Mandy The list of Handicaps Sport0008_Club_Sports_Handicaps (not the pdf version) has some issues: - The first page is illegible - There are some formatting issues on the remaining pages - The reference weight of the DG1000 is incorrectly shown as 630kg. It is correctly shown in the Sport0008_Club_Sports_Handicaps.pdf as 750kg From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 6:43 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules They are now available (Sports - Sports Documents - Competitions) https://drive.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCb Dl4ZTgzQnI5SnM https://drive.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohC bDl4ZTgzQnI5SnMusp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM usp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM document Sport 0018 MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 2:42 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules Who is responsible for the NSW rules? They need updating to incorporate the 2 seater class ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules
Thanks for that Mandy The list of Handicaps Sport0008_Club_Sports_Handicaps (not the pdf version) has some issues: - The first page is illegible - There are some formatting issues on the remaining pages - The reference weight of the DG1000 is incorrectly shown as 630kg. It is correctly shown in the Sport0008_Club_Sports_Handicaps.pdf as 750kg From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 6:43 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules They are now available (Sports - Sports Documents - Competitions) https://drive.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCb Dl4ZTgzQnI5SnM https://drive.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohC bDl4ZTgzQnI5SnMusp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM usp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM document Sport 0018 MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 2:42 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules Who is responsible for the NSW rules? They need updating to incorporate the 2 seater class ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] NSW Rules
Who is responsible for the NSW rules? They need updating to incorporate the 2 seater class ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Flexible Oudie Mount
The Oudie comes with a rigid plastic mount with limited adjustability, but I wanted something more flexible. I had cobbled together a fitting for my Navman mount and the Oudie Cradle, but was looking for something simpler and more elegant. I bought a cheap($10), flexible mount from a phone shop with a view to screwing my spare Oudie Cradle to it, when I was pleasantly surprised to find that the arm fitted the slots in the cradle exactly. Perfect! For anyone looking to do the same, the mount has a bright green sticky pad in the shape of a bloated figure of eight. Spare Oudie cradles are available for $4 from Al Sim at Go Soaring http://www.gosoaring.com.au/oudie.php ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Contact lenses, laser surgery etc
Hi Bernie As someone who wore contact lenses for 25 years before having laser surgery I have the following comments. Contact lenses: Correct hygiene technique is essential to avoid eye infections. These days disposable lenses make the daily disinfection rigmarole redundant. I don’t know if they can now make soft lenses that can correct other issues such as astigmatism, however I believe that they can do this with hard lenses. I would avoid hard lenses due to the disinfection requirements, and the chance of losing one: you probably don’t care if you lose a soft disposable lens. Hard lenses also take a long time to get used to. I wouldn’t recommend any contact lens when swimming: (don’t ask…) but I never had issues wearing them when showering or exercising. As for monovision, I had this for several years before the laser surgery, however it’s a bit of both worlds: you can see good at distance with one eye, and can read with the other, however this comes at the disadvantage that everything you see is blurred and clear at the same time. I was offered the option of monovision for the LASIK, but I chose to have good distance vision in both eyes. Laser surgery. Like most, I was concerned about the possibility of the operation going wrong, but the surgeon I chose had an excellent reputation and record. I chose to have both eyes done at the same time: you feel absolutely nothing at all, and when the foggles were removed a couple of days later, voila! Perfect 20/20 + vision, and it has remained so ever since. I honestly believe that it was the best money I have ever spent. One potential issue is for pilots requiring a class 2 medical. If you turn up at the next one with corrected vision, CASA will get upset and require confirmation from your surgeon that your eyesight meets the required standard(again don’t ask…) If you have any further questions, just ask Cheers Derek From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Baer Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013 12:05 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Contact lenses, laser surgery etc Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated. Like Niall I have used reading glasses since my early 40's but only in the last year felt I needed help with long distance as well. I also used to use regular sunglasses with stick-on lenses for close up work (tying knots when fishing, reading PDA's etc when flying). I'd be happy to return to that scenario if I could. I'll have a chat with my optometrist. One further complication is that I swim shower or cycle shower nearly every lunchtime. Contacts don't sound so good in that case. Can o' worms. Regards, Bernie. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6588 - Release Date: 08/18/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] part 61 Pilot licence
I have recent experience in both Tafe Diploma and Cert IV level courses. It appears it is politically incorrect to fail people, so they are assessed as 'competent', or 'not yet competent' with the cutoff being 50%. As a high failure rate will reflect badly on the teaching of the course, there appears to be an emphasis on passing people. It just leads to a dumbing down of the qualifications in my opinion. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 8:56 AM To: Mal Bruce; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] part 61 Pilot licence The 'whole world' is moving toward 'CertIV' style accredited training. I have experience with this in both my working and 'not-for-profit' worlds. The problem arises when the 'competency based training' doesn't draw in superior academic standards existing (ie graduate degree and above) plus 'recognised prior learning' codefied as credits. ie - members of the audience are more knowledgeable than the trainer out front of the class. Then the court cases start to flow. And the 'registered training organisation' and their 'training material consultants' and trainers get to explain themselves to the judge. Turns out the trainers have 'qualifications' in how people supposedly learn, but lack demonstrable credentials in the teaching subjects. In the gliding world watch the accident rate do its J curve as regulation safety replaces personal responsibility. and pray that the SMS managers have good personal PII. On 19/08/2013, at 3:13 PM, Mal Bruce wrote: Glider pilot licence introduced for recognition by foreign aviation authorities unknown.png http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PARTS061 Finally the adopted the GFA model CBT unknown.png The flight crew licensing system to be competency-based. Competency Based Training (CBT) standards to be introduced for all CASA flight crew qualifications: Recognition of Certificate IV in Training and Assessment together with requirement to demonstrate competence in both ground and flight training for the instructional activity sought; _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6588 - Release Date: 08/18/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Keep Of The Grass - again
It's a site for soar ayes From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013 2:03 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Keep Of The Grass - again http://www.newsleader.com/article/20130429/NEWS01/304290023/Gliders-can-t-la nd-grass-Eagle-s-Nest-officials-told?nclick_check=1 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6295 - Release Date: 05/03/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Proposed introduction of controlled airspace at Mount Cook
The airspace is currently uncontrolled. Aircraft arrange their own separation without the intervention of air traffic control. The system has worked effectively for years. By introducing controlled airspace in the area, it would lead to an increased workload on the controllers, with the inevitable result: the area will be closed to some users. (Guess who) From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Vincent Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2013 10:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Proposed introduction of controlled airspace at Mount Cook Gentlemen, Would it not be sensible to establish exactly what CAA is considering by way of controlled airspace changes before rushing off and protesting about it. Derek makes it sound as if Mt Cook is the wave soaring capital of NZ if not the world. Having flown gliders in that immediate vicinity and experienced the extremely high traffic density (largely from choppers and GA fixed wings) I personally would welcome some form of airspace control. Lets get the facts first guys. Regards, Geoff V At 04:20 PM 19/01/2013, Derek Ruddock wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0032_01CDF660.F8C27800 Content-Language: en-au The New Zealand CAA is considering a proposal to introduce controlled airspace over Mount Cook. This are is probably unique as the only easily accessible uncontrolled wave soaring site in the world I would encourage all Australian pilots to email a protest to paula.mo...@caa.govt.nz and copy the letter to trevor.mollard at gmail.com The closing date for correspondence is Jan 31st, so time is of the essence ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6040 - Release Date: 01/17/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Proposed introduction of controlled airspace at Mount Cook
The New Zealand CAA is considering a proposal to introduce controlled airspace over Mount Cook. This are is probably unique as the only easily accessible uncontrolled wave soaring site in the world I would encourage all Australian pilots to email a protest to paula.mo...@caa.govt.nz and copy the letter to trevor.mollard at gmail.com The closing date for correspondence is Jan 31st, so time is of the essence ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Volkslogger and Ilec SN10B
I think Jay Anderson had one in the LS6. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jenny Ganderton Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2012 2:24 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Volkslogger and Ilec SN10B Hi All I have recently purchased a share in a glider that has an Ilec SN10B vario and a Volkslogger, and I am having trouble driving them! Does anyone have the instructions for the Volkslogger in English that they could let me have? Does anyone use an Ilec SN10B, and if so what settings do they use? I will eventually plough my way through the entire manual, but I thought someone here who uses one might be able to give some advice. Thanks Jenny ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012
Your registration form apparently has issues with Chrome: the register button has no effect From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 1:06 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012 Hi Everyone Just a quick reminder that Narromine Cup Week is on again this year from November 26 to 30, immediately followed by the NSW State Comps also at Narromine but hosted and run by the Bathurst Club. Promising to be a great two weeks of gliding and camaraderie. Narromine Gliding Club: http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/ NSW State Comps Website: http://www.nswgc2012.com.au/ Something very special at Narromine Cup this year is the presence of G. Dale, one of the best cross country gliding coaches in the world. G is employed full time at Lasham Gliding Club in the UK as a coach and has been coaching each season at Omarama with Gavin Wills for many years. G will be providing coaching theory lectures (not to be missed) and practical each day as a part of the NSW GA coaching initiative set up by Bryan Hayhow for Cup Week. Narromine Gliding Club will have two Duo Discus and a Grob Twin Astir available for hire for one-on-one coaching. G's coaching is provided at no cost to GFA members. Hope to see you there. ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012
I'm getting the same problem with Firefox: the register button does not work From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 1:06 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012 Hi Everyone Just a quick reminder that Narromine Cup Week is on again this year from November 26 to 30, immediately followed by the NSW State Comps also at Narromine but hosted and run by the Bathurst Club. Promising to be a great two weeks of gliding and camaraderie. Narromine Gliding Club: http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/ NSW State Comps Website: http://www.nswgc2012.com.au/ Something very special at Narromine Cup this year is the presence of G. Dale, one of the best cross country gliding coaches in the world. G is employed full time at Lasham Gliding Club in the UK as a coach and has been coaching each season at Omarama with Gavin Wills for many years. G will be providing coaching theory lectures (not to be missed) and practical each day as a part of the NSW GA coaching initiative set up by Bryan Hayhow for Cup Week. Narromine Gliding Club will have two Duo Discus and a Grob Twin Astir available for hire for one-on-one coaching. G's coaching is provided at no cost to GFA members. Hope to see you there. ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Logbook: Poor
Buy me a beer if you're at Narromine -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Couch Sent: Monday, 27 August 2012 9:21 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Logbook: Poor On 27/08/2012 9:08 PM, Derek Ruddock wrote: I have written an excel version that does totals, graphs etc if you want an electronic version. Screen shots below Hope that's not of your logbook! DGI and DGU are totally wrong glider types :) -- Justin Couch http://www.vlc.com.au/justin/ 3D Java Graphics Informationhttp://www.j3d.org/ --- Humanism is dead. Animals think, feel; so do machines now. Neither man nor woman is the measure of all things. Every organism processes data according to its domain, its environment; you, with all your brains, would be useless in a mouse's universe... - Greg Bear, Slant --- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Logbook: Poor
IT certainly is, and I'm aware of the difference, but fail to see your point. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Couch Sent: Monday, 27 August 2012 9:21 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Logbook: Poor On 27/08/2012 9:08 PM, Derek Ruddock wrote: I have written an excel version that does totals, graphs etc if you want an electronic version. Screen shots below Hope that's not of your logbook! DGI and DGU are totally wrong glider types :) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
Fortran? Tha' were lucky. We used to program by patching wi' cords and then we had to lick t' computer wi' tongue... -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of opsw...@bigpond.net.au Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 9:37 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Simon Holding Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting Announcement. for rent one abacus. need to supply supply own operator. solid operating history. also fortran 4 manual also going cheap for anyone with a card reader and mainframe. only slightly used. cheers peter heath Simon Holding shold...@hotmail.com wrote: = The Comptometrist’s life was decimated? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 5:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting Now you'll have someone asking what happened on 14th Feb 1966. Mike At 06:13 PM 22/08/2012, you wrote: Then again, a leather-bound journal and ledger would do the job. No electricity required, and it got a lot easier since the last major upgrade was released (on 14th February 1966). Of course, this solution does require a knowledge of writing - without a keyboard or spell checker - and arithmetic (without a numeric keypad). Could be a worry, these days. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 22/08/2012 13:55, Derek Ruddock wrote: If you don’t need payroll, something as simple as MYOB AccountRight (replacement for Business Basics) will probably fit the bill. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012 9:59 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting You only really need upgrades if you require tax tables. I use MYOB15 as a club treasurer and MYOB19.7 for my office where I need the effing tax tables. I too complain about the cost of upgrades (both MYOB15 and MYOB19.7) look the same but they have me by the short and curlies. PeterS On 21/08/2012 8:23 AM, trevor.bu...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend a club accounting program other than MYOB? I would like to get away from the cost of upgrades. Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
If you don't need payroll, something as simple as MYOB AccountRight (replacement for Business Basics) will probably fit the bill. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012 9:59 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting You only really need upgrades if you require tax tables. I use MYOB15 as a club treasurer and MYOB19.7 for my office where I need the effing tax tables. I too complain about the cost of upgrades (both MYOB15 and MYOB19.7) look the same but they have me by the short and curlies. PeterS On 21/08/2012 8:23 AM, trevor.bu...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend a club accounting program other than MYOB? I would like to get away from the cost of upgrades. Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 302 series
Just for reference, the problem is that they have used upper case in the link, but the linux(?) server has case sensitive names The link has http://cambridge-aero.com/executables/3UTPC256.zip If you change UTPC to utpc you will find that the file can be found and downloaded From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pam Kurstjens Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2012 7:16 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 302 series Can someone please point me to where I can download the Cambridge program 300UtilityPC 2.56.exe for connecting a 302 to a PC? The link from the Cambridge Aero Instruments page doesn't lead anywhere. Many thanks Pam ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Awards and Trophies
The operative word in Tim's post was me :) -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Scutter Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2012 8:47 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Awards and Trophies Attached. Thanks, -matthew On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: CAn you send me the IGC files please? Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 24/07/2012 20:37, Matthew Scutter wrote: Hi Tim, I'm not sure how many legs are allowed so I'd like to submit two flights for Bob Irvine / Wally Woods: http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=2195 600 1016km in the LS4 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=2205 849 891km 'OR' in the LS4 Kind Regards, -Matthew On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi all, Just a reminder that the expiry date for applications for this year's trophies is 31st July. These are for: Wally Woods Trophy - Longest Flight off the stick Bob Irvine Trophy - Longest flight on handicap distance Martin Warner Trophy - Greatest Gain of height The eligible period is 1st May 2011 to 30th April 2012. Basic rules are that the flight must be flown in Australia by and Australian, and that the claim must be supported by a valid IGC file. For the Woods and Irvine trophies, the same flight can't win both - but the same pilot can. Please note that the trophies are awarded on application. I don't trawl the OLC (or anything else) for the winners :) I already have a couple of claims, for the Woods and the Warner trophies, so there is no need to resend them. -- Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial
Bloody good flight anyway From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2012 12:57 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial Sorry, sent midnight Uvalde time :] IT was a VERY good day. ;] 1015km @ 117kph in the great old Discus, finished high at 3000' about 6.30pm and then climbing in a 4 kt thermal until I decided to land instead of going on another 100-150km of free distance. Before logger for me so I needed something to photograph and I had no crew to pick me up! Tom _ From: Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au To: 'tom claffey' to...@yahoo.com; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial Was you? J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012 2:43 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial I was a VERY good day! :] Tom _ From: Bruce Campbell discusdri...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial This really was a special run of weather. There were several great days in a row, but the last was the best as far as Temora went - and it was the only day I didn't have to work. There were at least four 750km flights in club class gliders on that day - Ziggy Kominek in Jantar Std 2 CQT, Col Vassarotti in Std Libelle BE, Gary Stevenson in Std Libelle BL, and myself in Std Cirrus AM. I think David Pietsch may have done a 750 also in ASW20 ZZ (not sure it was known as ZZ then) although at the time the 20 was a bit above club class. This was the same day that Tom Claffey set the Std Class Australian record for a 1000 (1016km) FAI triangle speed in Discus B FV. Gary and I did Temora-Hillston-Narromne-Temora - a 750km FAI triangle (756km). Mine was memorable for several reasons - a 12:25 launch after rigging with an optimistic 750 in the little black box, then cruising at 100 knots in a Cirrus to stay out of the streeting cloud at 11,000 ft on the first leg to Hillston, passing Tomas Suchanek and Tom at Forbes on the last leg (they were en route to Narromine), landing after 7:02 (107km/hr)..it was an awesome flight. 900 was possible in the Cirrus that day. Gary may recollect it too. I think that that may have been they weather cycle that got Harry from Keepit to Gawler, but not sure. The spoiler was the tug release point for me was on the wrong side of the airfield (en route) so I was never able to claim it. Oh well - I'll claim the 750 when I do my 1000 I thought. Never got there despite many attempts over 10 years (in Discus A D1 - best 925km but not claimable either due abandoning 2nd turn) - just needed that magic '99 day again. I watched weather closely whilst juggling work commitments (which as a water resources engineer also allowed me to get paid for weather watching!), but never saw a day lke it, so I don't subscribe to the 7 year cycle! Cheers Bruce Bruce Campbell On 18 July 2012 16:03, Harry hw.medlic...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi All, The amazing flights referred resulted from some rather special weather conditions.Most of you would remember the Sydney to Hobart fleet which ran into a ferocious storm of the Victorian coast and into Bass Strait. Some boats were sunk and lives lost. This abnormal low pressure system dumped billions of cubic metres of cold dry air over Victoria and much of NSW, much further north than the usual cold fronts which pass through at that time of the year and produce the usual good conditions which are centred along the line Waikerie, Tocumwal and Corowa . As the succeeding high pressure system went through this low dew point air warmed up day by day and produced the ideal temperature profile, including cloud bases of up to 14,000 ft. I remember it well. The rather wetter patterns of the last couple of years have been the result of the high pressure systems dragging in warm moist ocean air. the length of fetch has often extended over a 1,000 km resulting in dew points of up to and over 20 deg. The dew point of air from the southern ocean is usually below 10 an sometimes a minus number Harry Medlicott -Original Message- From: Matthew Scutter Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:52 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial Perhaps Adam is referring to the El Nino / La Nina oscillation, which has a large influence on Queensland's weather patterns
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial
Was you? J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012 2:43 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial I was a VERY good day! :] Tom _ From: Bruce Campbell discusdri...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial This really was a special run of weather. There were several great days in a row, but the last was the best as far as Temora went - and it was the only day I didn't have to work. There were at least four 750km flights in club class gliders on that day - Ziggy Kominek in Jantar Std 2 CQT, Col Vassarotti in Std Libelle BE, Gary Stevenson in Std Libelle BL, and myself in Std Cirrus AM. I think David Pietsch may have done a 750 also in ASW20 ZZ (not sure it was known as ZZ then) although at the time the 20 was a bit above club class. This was the same day that Tom Claffey set the Std Class Australian record for a 1000 (1016km) FAI triangle speed in Discus B FV. Gary and I did Temora-Hillston-Narromne-Temora - a 750km FAI triangle (756km). Mine was memorable for several reasons - a 12:25 launch after rigging with an optimistic 750 in the little black box, then cruising at 100 knots in a Cirrus to stay out of the streeting cloud at 11,000 ft on the first leg to Hillston, passing Tomas Suchanek and Tom at Forbes on the last leg (they were en route to Narromine), landing after 7:02 (107km/hr)..it was an awesome flight. 900 was possible in the Cirrus that day. Gary may recollect it too. I think that that may have been they weather cycle that got Harry from Keepit to Gawler, but not sure. The spoiler was the tug release point for me was on the wrong side of the airfield (en route) so I was never able to claim it. Oh well - I'll claim the 750 when I do my 1000 I thought. Never got there despite many attempts over 10 years (in Discus A D1 - best 925km but not claimable either due abandoning 2nd turn) - just needed that magic '99 day again. I watched weather closely whilst juggling work commitments (which as a water resources engineer also allowed me to get paid for weather watching!), but never saw a day lke it, so I don't subscribe to the 7 year cycle! Cheers Bruce Bruce Campbell On 18 July 2012 16:03, Harry hw.medlic...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi All, The amazing flights referred resulted from some rather special weather conditions.Most of you would remember the Sydney to Hobart fleet which ran into a ferocious storm of the Victorian coast and into Bass Strait. Some boats were sunk and lives lost. This abnormal low pressure system dumped billions of cubic metres of cold dry air over Victoria and much of NSW, much further north than the usual cold fronts which pass through at that time of the year and produce the usual good conditions which are centred along the line Waikerie, Tocumwal and Corowa . As the succeeding high pressure system went through this low dew point air warmed up day by day and produced the ideal temperature profile, including cloud bases of up to 14,000 ft. I remember it well. The rather wetter patterns of the last couple of years have been the result of the high pressure systems dragging in warm moist ocean air. the length of fetch has often extended over a 1,000 km resulting in dew points of up to and over 20 deg. The dew point of air from the southern ocean is usually below 10 an sometimes a minus number Harry Medlicott -Original Message- From: Matthew Scutter Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:52 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial Perhaps Adam is referring to the El Nino / La Nina oscillation, which has a large influence on Queensland's weather patterns. Very roughly 5 year cycles. -Matthew [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o-Southern_Oscillation On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:10 PM, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: WPP, I think the weather cycle goes in 7 yr increments. Now that is a very brave statement indeed! Memory is a fallible thing, but I seem to recall (from many -30/40? -years ago), that the Dutch had to hand at that time, over 400 years worth of continuous weather records. This data (exactly what was available was not stated), was analysed for cyclic pattens. The result - NO PATTEN AT ALL COULD BE DEDUCED. Does anyone know about this or similar work, and can comment further? Gary - Original Message - From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:50 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial G'day All, I've been keen to set up some unofficial club class records since getting
Re: [Aus-soaring] Does this work?
Use one of the other picture hosting services (flickr, picasa, photobucket etc) and send them that link -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of stephenk Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012 6:00 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Does this work? Thanks for those that tried and didn't work. I wasn't sure if public in facebook meant everyone who knew the link or just everyone in facebook. Seems like the latter. Which is a bugger cos there are a few facebook things like that I want to send to non facebook friends. Have to do it twice now :-( Regards SWK On 11/06/2012 10:19 AM, John Orton wrote: Not for me. I think Facebook public means to Facebook members only, however I am not a Facebook member/user. Regards, John Orton ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5059 - Release Date: 06/09/12 18:34:00 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Radio (was something about the waggling of wings)
If you can hear yourself think try turning down the squelch a little... J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 4:07 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Radio (was something about the waggling of wings) At 10:48 AM 23/03/2012, you wrote: The difference in standards comes from a couple of reasons. The first is that most of the radios we use were designed with the assumption that a good supply of reliable power was available from the alternator, and probably little design attention was paid to transmit performance with depleted batteries running through old wiring and dicky fuses. We may have got a reading you 5 from the glider next to us in the morning with a fully charged battery but it doesn't mean much in the circuit after a 5 hour flight. The second is that a glider radio is less useful for situational awareness than the radio in a powered aircraft, because powered aircraft tracks and particularly altitudes are far more predictable. Also, we don't chat to ATC much. So in fact, a radio in a glider is less useful and less used for official communication, and so less respected, maintained, etc Then there are an increasing number of pilots who use their radios like mobile phones. I just switch off when those idiots start. It improves my safety because I can hear myself think. Cheers Tim Tim, I agree about the distraction of radio in flight on a glider cross country (or powered aircraft for that matter most of the time) but it is useful in the circuit and around the airfield as an aid to situational awareness. In the emergency situation we're talking about there seems to be a need for communication as shown by the semaphore procedure so maybe it ought to be the best and least intrusive communication possible? An alternative would be to agree on the maximum release height with the tug pilot before takeoff on the understanding that on reaching that +500 feet the tuggie will head over the top of the field and release his end? No airborne comms required. Best to go into/be in high tow though. Don't forget also the recent radio use changes at registered and licensed airfields. You are expected to carry a working radio and use it. We might not talk to ATC much but there are people in powered aircraft who may use the field and if one calls and you detect a conflict you are expected to answer. Gliding doesn't operate in isolation. I'm afraid the no radio days are gone. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4287 - Release Date: 03/22/12 19:55:00 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State championships - Temora
Hi Scott My name is spelt Derek: I'll be flying for Southern Cross in the open class. You may like to update your list J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Scott Lennon Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:42 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State championships - Temora NSW state championships 26th Nov to 3rd Dec. If you are entering the NSW state championships then you only have one more day to get your entry in and paid at the discount rate. There are a few who entered early but have not paid up yet so get your money in by the 4th November !! We are up to 27 entries spread across the classes. http://tandjsailplanes.com/NSWStateComps/ Scott _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4579 - Release Date: 10/27/11 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State championships - Temora
What account name for EFT? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Scott Lennon Sent: Friday, 21 October 2011 7:27 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State championships - Temora The list of entries for the NSW state comps at Temora (26th Nov - 3rd Dec) is steadily growing. We want a few more to be able to run all the separate classes so time to download the entry form and send it in. There are only a few more weeks before the discounted entry fee finishes. For those of you who are prepared and downloaded the turnpoints already, then you will need to download them again. We have a safety initiative to relocate the finish point equally between all runway thresholds allowing a minimum 1.5km between the finish circle and runway thresholds for straight in approaches. Visit the competition website at http://tandjsailplanes.com/NSWStateComps/ Scott _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1522/3943 - Release Date: 10/07/11 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AAT Tutorial
Link? -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 8:14 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] AAT Tutorial All, The AAT Tutorial for the Oudie is now complete Thanks for all who assisted. Regards Richard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Oudie Manual
Can u send a copy to my iiNet address ta? I'm at Byron ATM but I'll certainly read it Cheers Derek On 26/09/2011, at 4:42 PM, Richard Frawley rjfraw...@gmail.com wrote: All, I am currently writing a new Oudie manual for Naviter. If you have any questions or issues regarding Oudie operation, feel free to drop me an email at rjfraw...@gmail.com. This will help me discover where to put the emphasis. The first Manual will focus on setting up and the operation of the Oudie for AAT's. All going the document this will be released on the Naviter web site sometime in the next 6 - 8 weeks. Advance copies will be available by request (but you will have to agree to provide comments and feedback!) Regards Richard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Oudie Manual
Oops sorry for spamming the list (twice :)) Cheers Derek On 27/09/2011, at 8:12 AM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: Can u send a copy to my iiNet address ta? I'm at Byron ATM but I'll certainly read it Cheers Derek On 26/09/2011, at 4:42 PM, Richard Frawley rjfraw...@gmail.com wrote: All, I am currently writing a new Oudie manual for Naviter. If you have any questions or issues regarding Oudie operation, feel free to drop me an email at rjfraw...@gmail.com. This will help me discover where to put the emphasis. The first Manual will focus on setting up and the operation of the Oudie for AAT's. All going the document this will be released on the Naviter web site sometime in the next 6 - 8 weeks. Advance copies will be available by request (but you will have to agree to provide comments and feedback!) Regards Richard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Austria: Gliding instructor fined €2000 after crash landing
Well that’s what happens when you tear down the airflow under the hull… They should have kept the sailors well away from the site. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Stephenson Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2011 10:02 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Austria: Gliding instructor fined €2000 after crash landing Flight instructor must pay for crash landing A flight student suffered on impact of the sailor one vertebral fracture. The pilot had taken over the control of late. 2000 € fine. Last updated on 15/9/2011, 16:31 Crash landing Crash in Altlichtenwarth at Mistelbach. The flight student had to be cut out of the glider. In his club they reverently call him the flight of vultures. The 60-year-old flight instructor Louis B. is a master of his craft. But on 24 April last year he could not avoid a crash landing. The glider of the brand Blanik during a training flight crashed near the airfield Altlichtenwarth, northeast, in a field. The pilot was even injured. However difficult it caught his 47-year-old flight student. She suffered a comminuted fracture of the 12th Thoracic vertebra, Rissquetschwunden and a concussion. Louis B. Thursday for negligent injury in Laa an der Thaya in court. And was initially unaware of any guilt. He had then unlatched the rope and left to the student the tax. She was so soon overwhelmed: I can not take over Beac The air flow under the hull was torn down and suddenly had the sailors sink. When Louis B. grabbed the stick, it was obviously too late. Damages The 47-year-old had to be cut out of the plane and flown by emergency helicopter to the hospital. She was a long time in the ICU. Your lawyer Nicholas fighting for them to stop pain and suffering damages. He calls 63,000 euros. During the flight made it clear criminal experts, that Louis was as a flight instructor as the pilot, even if the student in the driver's hand and it had taken the fateful plummeting. Much like the driving instructor at a training session in the driving school car. The trial ended with a diversion: no formal condemnation, no criminal record, but an admission of guilt, and 2000 € fine and a symbolic amount of 500 € for the injured. In a civil case, the actual level of compensation is determined, the insured must pay the student's flight instructor. On 16/09/2011 10:51 PM, Ulrich Stauss wrote: http://kurier.at/nachrichten/niederoesterreich/4152038.php ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Funny, I've been flying at Camden for 25 years and can't place the location of that photo Was it taken on the north side of the 24 threshold? -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Grinding The Crack
Already seen that. I believe 'grinding the crack' is a reference to what they had to do to remove the sh*t from his backside after clearing that ledge by centimetres. Balls of steel? More like a hole in his head where his brain should be. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Stephenson Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 10:20 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Grinding The Crack I thought Grinding the Crack might refer to the squirming ab initio student just before spin training. But no, this aviator has balls of steel:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-kfeature=player_embedded feature=player_embedded Not a bad sound track either. Enjoy! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Sydney Morn Herald article
There seems to be a lot of yelling and pressing buttons... From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of gstev...@bigpond.com Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2011 6:26 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sydney Morn Herald article Some good publicity here! Interesting to get this first timer's impressions. Obviously straight from the heart, and un-edited by any glider pilot. Paul, if you are online, nice photo of ZZ. Cheers, Gary - Original Message - From: Christopher Mc Donnell mailto:wommamuku...@bigpond.com To: Gliding mail list mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:03 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Sydney Morn Herald article http://www.smh.com.au/travel/going-with-the-wind-20110720-1ho8b.html _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3779 - Release Date: 07/21/11 15:13:00 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] No Event Fee for Narromine Airport
Try a true commercial operation, like Camden Airport, owned by a subsidiary of the millionaires factory. It costs us money even to push the tug out of the hangar. Add on the 'movement charge' for each flight plus the exorbitant rents, and I reckon you've got nothing to whine about. Thank your lucky stars mate. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2011 2:25 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] No Event Fee for Narromine Airport I am not sure of problem here but having been in a club with member maintained airfield and council maintained field give me a council field at almost any cost as I am sick and tired of fixing tractors/slashers etc as they always break down in middle of summer season. Then there is burst water pipe as well as all the extra airport operators insurance for your own airfield. 85% of club membership should never be let near a tractor - they have no idea Ian McPhee On 6 July 2011 10:52, harry medlicott hw.medlic...@optusnet.com.au wrote: The gliding movement should count itself extremely fortunate to have a magnificent faciity such as Narromine A/F availabe at little or no cost. At Lake Keepit, probably in common with other clubs, we pay a substantial annual lease costs and all airfield improvements and maintenace are a cost to members. Not sure of actual ammount, but it would be in excess of $20,000 per annum, even with members doing the actual mowing and numerous other tasks themselves, yet through hard work by our members and despite having a site 5 hours drive from Sydney we have a membership of over 100 and a full time club operation. The complaints about a relatively small activity fee makes one wonder. Harry Medlicott - Original Message - From: Anne Elliott mailto:anne.ellio...@bigpond.com To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] No Event Fee for Narromine Airport As a resident of Narromine I would like to set the record straight ... up to July 1 Ewen held two positions with Narromine Shire Council: airport groundsman and shire ranger. As the latter become more and more demanding it was decided that he be relieved of his airport role to concentrate more on his ranger duties. For those of you who have enjoyed flying at Narromine and commented on the wonderful airport facility, it is all thanks to Ewen and his staff. One of his roles at the airport was to ensure all rules and regulations were adhered to which made him unpopular with some of the airport users who quite blatently felt they were a law unto themselves and could do whatever they wished. As one of the councillors commented at the recent budget meeting where the $55 participant fee was discussed: Aerodrome users should work with council not against them. Ewen is our local Fire and Rescue NSW (Fire Brigade) Station Commander; and was a driving force in our Apex Club for many years, serving as president and board member over the years. His late father, Ewie Jones, was a highly respected aviation figure in this part of the state and served as Narromine Aero Club's CFI for many years before relocating to Parkes. During my 20+ years in the media industry in Narromine I have had many dealings with Ewen and feel that he should not be ridiculed as he has been in Ross McLean's email. ... Anne Elliott From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2011 4:37 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] No Event Fee for Narromine Airport Some very good news. The Narromine Council has voted unanimously to drop the proposed event fee for Narromine Airport. There will be no such fee imposed. Thank you to all who wrote directly to the Council opposing the imposition of this poorly thought out proposal. The Council has instead set up a stronger airport management committee who will work with the airport stakeholders towards positively promoting and encouraging all aviation events at Narromine Airport. The former airport groundsman has been reassigned to the role of dogcatcher (true). Those of us who knew Ewan will agree it is a role much better suited to his ability. Cheers, ROSS _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3744 - Release Date: 07/04/11 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list
[Aus-soaring] Protective case for Oudie
If anyone is looking for a protective case for their Oudie, CaseLogic make a portable hard disk case that fits perfectly. Less than 10 bucks at Dick Smith. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Hard case for OUdie
If anyone has an Oudie, and is looking for a way to protect it from knocks, the CaseLogic portable hard disk case fits exactly. Less than 10 bucks at Dick Smith and other computer shops. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Qld State Soaring Championships 2011
I think not. No dogs allowed. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Vincent Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2011 12:56 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Qld State Soaring Championships 2011 Sate Championships eh! Something to do with peanuts? Geoff V At 10:34 AM 28/06/2011, Greg Wilson wrote: From Matt Anglim: Hi All After a what some may call a less than ideal 2010/11 summer, we can all look forward to a fantastic 2011/12 season. It all starts with the Qld Sate Championships. For Information registration go here: http://statecomps11.warwickgliding.org.au I don't have a comprehensive list of contacts so please feel free to forward this email to those who may be interested. I look forward to seeing you there Regards Matt ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3730 - Release Date: 06/27/11 18:34:00 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Weighing Scales
Ask Dave Boulter. In his last newsletter he mentioned someone who was looking after the NSWGA equipment. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Trezise Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:15 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW Weighing Scales Does anyone know where the scales are? Drove out to RAAF Richmond where we thought they were, but the have been taken. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3613 - Release Date: 05/03/11 14:14:00 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Re NZ ASH on youtube.
At 1:53: Maximum weight of this glider when fully loaded on a World record with 2 pilots and water ballast is 1.2 tons I bet that's a test condition that the designer didn't envisage... Is the glider modified, or was that comment hyperbole or ignorance? -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011 6:47 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Re NZ ASH on youtube. At 05:50 PM 4/05/2011, you wrote: Well Aerodynamicists, is it really fluttering after the anhederal? Peter Heath - It looks like he had landing flap deployed then went to negative. In the Schleicher gliders the landing flap transfers the lift to the inner part of the wing and the tips then hang down or at higher speeds could even lift downwards, hence the anhedral. Sure looks like flutter to me, initiated by the impulse of moving the lift outboard suddenly. This probably isn't a test condition that the designer envisaged. Fortunately the flutter was damped and ceased after a few oscillations. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1500/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm trouble
Pam, Apparently some of the early Flarms failed when updated, and need to be returned to the manufacturer for modification. This happened to one of ours. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pam Kurstjens Sent: Monday, 2 May 2011 10:57 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Flarm trouble We have updated our old type OzFlarm to 5.03 and it does not work anymore. When flying, it has two red lights on all the time Tx-Rx and GPS). When I try to open it in Flarm Tool, it does not work, the only option available is 'recover'. When I try this, a page opens where it says something like 'hold button down until update begins'. What button is this? Does anyone have any suggestions? Pam No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3609 - Release Date: 05/01/11 18:34:00 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AIP
https://www.ano.gov.au/publications/aip.asp http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_91044 Mr Google is your friend :) Cheers Derek 人生は短いです：一日をつかむ -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2011 7:19 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] AIP OFF TOPIC--BUT can anyone tell me if I can read the Australian AIP and CAO's off the internet please? And the ANR's ?? Sanders ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Grand Prix - Lake Keepit
Presumably these are racing tasks? The (in)frequency of the updates makes them all to appear to be turning short. Tom and Ivan both appear to be doing their own thing at the moment... -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 2:47 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Grand Prix - Lake Keepit It depends a lot on how the Spot is mounted in the glider. Ideally they need to be flat with a good clear view of the satellite (read sky). Even then if the glider is turning steeply when the Spot wants to transmit it will miss the satellite which is why you get that leapfrog effect. It's not ideal but it is better than nothing at all which is what we used to have. ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Robinson, Peter B (Information Systems) Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 2:20 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Grand Prix - Lake Keepit It would be even better if the update frequency from spot tracking on each glider was consistent, seems to vary from 10mins to 20mins, which causes a leap frogging effect on the race tracking. Is it possible to have all gliders updates synchronised together with a 5 minute or less update? Interested to understand whether this is a limitation of SPOT or just a configuration decision. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Anne Elliott Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 1:37 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Grand Prix - Lake Keepit Thanks Ross .. it's fun to follow the race on SPOT.. AE -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Grand Prix - Lake Keepit The race is on. Half way down the first leg Hank Kauffman is in the lead, with Bruce Taylor, Tom Claffey Graham Parker in hot pursuit. See the Spot tracking at http://track.soaringstuff.net/spot.html Cheers, ROSS _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring The material contained in this email may be confidential, privileged or copyrighted. If you are not the intended recipient, use, disclosure or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please advise the sender and delete the document. Neither OneSteel nor the sender accept responsibility for any viruses contained in this email or any attachments. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Latest GFA President's Update report
In answer to your first, I would say that you could probably buy 2 of our IS28's for substantially less than the cost of the mod, the third, definitely not worth it: How much is a Blanik worth)? As for the second, I doubt that many organisations possess the skills and equipment, or the STC, to perform the mod. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of gstev...@bigpond.com Sent: Monday, 28 February 2011 7:54 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Latest GFA President's Update report Re new name for the new gliding only, magazine. I wonder if anything could be better than the iconic name that stood us in good stead for so many decades - Australian Gliding ? Re Blaniks The President confirms that the Llewelyn mod for 8 Blaniks is OK, and should be OK for others provided they are modified to the full extent of the STC to L13A1 standard. Much of this note seems quite premature, given that facilitating work is in progress. The three obvious questions that arise are: 1. How much? 2. Who is approved to do the work? 3. Who is actually prepared to do the work? The first question give rise to a further question; 4. Is it worth it? My guess is that the answer to the first question is substantial, to the second many, to the third very few - unless they can make big bucks from their efforts. and to the last no. It all appears to be a bit like the question Do you want the good news first, or the bad news first? Re John Viney Retirement I wish John Viney well in his retirement. A very dedicated officer of the GFA, who has professionally helped me out on more than a few occasions. I suspect his efforts will be sadly missed. Good luck Edwin! Who was the idiot (sorry .. person), said you can die of boredom in your retirement, unless you plan it carefully? Gary ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Moon 18.6 year cycle
Lunatic:) Cheers From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mal Bruce Sent: Monday, 28 February 2011 9:33 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Moon 18.6 year cycle The Moon does an 18.6 year cycle. A super moon is a new or full moon which occurs when the moon is at 90% or greater of its closest perigee approach To the earth. An extreme super moon is when the moon is a new moon or full moon and is at 100% or greater mean perigee (closest) distance to earth. 1955 Floods There was an extreme super moon at full moon on November 10 1954. Flooding occurred from October 1954 to 23 February 1955 1974 Floods(18-19 years later) There was an extreme super moon at full moon on January 8th 1974. 3 weeks of rain up to 29 Jan 1974. 1992 floods (18-19 years later) There was an extreme super moon at full moon on Jan 19 1992. 2011 Floods (18-19 years later). There are super moons at full moon on 18/2/2011, 19/3/2011 and 18/4/2011. And There is an extreme super moon on the full moon of the 19/3/2011 LK GP ! I guess this is why they are predicting 6/7 cyclones this year I hope everybody has a snorkel in their glider!! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] blaniks
We can sell you TWO IS28's for less than that... Cheers Derek 人生は短いです：一日をつかむ -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2011 6:31 AM To: k...@riverland.net.au; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] blaniks Kym, Contact Nigel Arnott at Boonah/Archerfield. He has the approval to do the mod and I heard $2 -25000. While you're at it paint it yellow instead of the oxidised aluminium/Stealth grey colour they come in. Mike At 08:26 PM 28/02/2011, you wrote: To answer your question 4. Is it worth it?: YES. My club has a Blanik, obviously it is worth nothing but scrap unless it can fly. It is our only 2 seat glider. Most other 2 seat gliders are too heavy for our ultralight tug. The club could afford to buy another trainer, and I suggested affordable options - but it won't, so fixing our existing aircraft is the only way to keep going. So it is worth up to the value of what our very nice, low hours Blanik would be worth once it is flyable again. Kym. Re Blaniks The President confirms that the Llewelyn mod for 8 Blaniks is OK, and should be OK for others provided they are modified to the full extent of the STC to L13A1 standard. Much of this note seems quite premature, given that facilitating work is in progress. The three obvious questions that arise are: 1. How much? 2. Who is approved to do the work? 3. Who is actually prepared to do the work? The first question give rise to a further question; 4. Is it worth it? My guess is that the answer to the first question is substantial, to the second many, to the third very few - unless they can make big bucks from their efforts. and to the last no. It all appears to be a bit like the question Do you want the good news first, or the bad news first? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Sailplane Grand Prix - Now in Stock
The link to the sample video doesn't work From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Al @ Go Soaring [a...@gosoaring.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2011 2:52 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Sailplane Grand Prix - Now in Stock Hi All, A number of people have been asking about it and now it is here. Sailplane Grand Prix in the Andes is now stock. Available in Blue Ray and DVD. Click on the following link for info and a preview – http://www.gosoaring.com.au/andesgp.php Cheers, Al Go Soaring Why should the birds have all the fun! 61 7 5499 4636 / 0405 497 595 www.gosoaring.com.auUrlBlockedError.aspx ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ipad
Save your money. I wish I had. There is no way to import waypoints: everything has to be entered manually, thus prone to error. The list of gliders is very old, with no ability to add new ones. Cheers Derek 人生は短いです：一日をつかむ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Fisher Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2011 8:59 AM To: tom.wilk...@internode.on.net; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ipad Have you seen this? http://appmodo.com/28489/finalglide-1-0-0-2-for-iphone-new-glider-pilot-app/ On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, tom.wilk...@internode.on.netmailto:tom.wilk...@internode.on.net wrote: Does this mean that winpilot will work on iphones as well? Like many I fly club gliders and have been wanting an iphone glide calculator for ages, just for the convenience. Tom On Tue 08/02/11 7:42 AM , Graham Holland gra...@arch.usyd.edu.aumailto:gra...@arch.usyd.edu.au sent: Some soaring software will run on an Ipad, eg Winpilot soon. On of its attractions is all the other things that can be done with it, eg read the newspaper in flight! However the tech specs have a maximum operating temperature of 30 degrees. It often feels hotter than that on the grid, has anyone measured cockpit temperatures in flight? Has anyone tried an Ipad? Graham -- Dr Graham Holland 27 Johnston Crescent Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia e-mail: graha m...@arch.usyd.edu.auph: 02 9427 3282 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list aus-soar...@lists.internode.on.netTo check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netmailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Please Take NoteOur New Address and contact details Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 3879 4005 www.spe.com.auhttp://www.spe.com.au/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
