[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama WonâSo I Fired 22 Employees
Said so justly and truthfully. This is exactly what we would expect from such a great small-business employer like you. I'm sure all of your employees feel profound relief knowing that you will absorb all the taxes increases and regulation changes in the coming four years. We can't have hope and change without hope and change. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip he is demonstrating their (his) stunted, fear-based, emotional selves and are (is) reacting completely irrationally I started to right this about the collective wealthy right-wing poor losers, but I changed to him individually.  Give people a chance to get over themselves. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama WonâSo I Fired 22 Employees  One day later he is worried about his survival?  What an idiot.  Just one of the wealthy who has no intention of using his resources to create jobs or care about his employees; he is demonstrating their stunted, fear-based, emotional selves and are reacting completely irrationally.  I expect the Koch Bros' industries to play a similar punishment game.  I'm sure they are worried about their survival as well.   From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Obama WonâSo I Fired 22 Employees  LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) â A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama's re-election (and Obamacare). David (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that elections have consequences and that at the end of the day, I need to survive. Here's an excerpt from the interview. Click the audio tab below to hear even more from this compelling conversation: I've done my share of educating my employees. I never tell them which way to vote. I believe in the free system we have, I believe in the right to choose who they want to be president, but I did explain as a business owner that I have always put my employees first. I always made sure that when I went without a paycheck that [I] made sure they were paid. And I explained that I always put them first and unfortunately I'm at a point where I'm being forced to have to worry about me and my family now and a business that I built from just me to 114 employees. I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office that the regulations for Obamacare are gonna hurt our business, and I'm gonna have to make provisions to make sure I have enough money to cover the payroll taxes, the additional health care I'm gonna have to do, and I explained that to them and I said you do what you feel like in your heart you need to do, but I'm just letting you know as a warning this is things I have to think of as a business owner. Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic â I'm not gonna go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees â well unfortunately we know what happened and I can't wait around anymore, I have to be proactive. I had to lay off 22 people today to make sure that my business is gonna thrive and I'm gonna be around for years to come. I have to build up that nest egg now for the taxes and regulations that are coming my way. Elections do have consequences, but so do choices. A choice you make every day has consequences and you know what, I've always put my employees first, but unfortunately today I have to put me and my family first, and you watch what's gonna happen. I'm just one guy with 114 employees â well was 114 employees â watch what happens in the next six months. The Dow alone lost 314 points today. There's a tsunami coming and if you didn't think this election had consequences, just wait.
[FairfieldLife] Re: muula-bandha?
Just more enightenment from Willy Woo Woo. Yep ... don't need no meditashun, no yoka. Jus' chant sara's swati's man tra and yu'll get loads a money er dope ... whatever pleazes yu. It's the goodess from Cashmere. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: I guess the simplest definition is that it's a technique for circulating energy emptybill: When Kundalini (the she-coil) begins to ascend it is the river of life moving into various seas and finally expanding into the ocean of omni-presence. The tern Kundalini is another name for Sri Vidya, the Goddess of Learning. According to my sources. our Guru Dev was an adherent of Sri Vidya and from what I've seen, SBS practiced the mula bandha every day in his personal yoga sadhana. According to Iyengar, 'mula bhanda asana' is a posture where the body from the anus to the navel is contracted and lifted up and towards the spine. Here are the directions for practicing the mula bandha, which is just like TM and the Sri Vidya yoga enumerated by the Adi Shankara Acharya which Shankara composed in Kashmere: Devotion to that Glorious Presence, Infinite Instructor, Who, By means of the auspicious hand-sign, Makes clear to the worshippers His own real nature Always shining within as I, Following into all the successive states- And those beginning with waking. (Translation by Ernest Wood) The auspicious hand-sign in Sanskrit literature is refered to as the symbol of wisdom or the mark of the I conciousness, which represents Knowing That I am, or Knowing That I know. The auspicious hand-sign meditation reminds us of the absolute truth, the circle made by the thumb and the forefinger is the symbol of unity - a space that is empty, yet full at the same time. It is the symbol of the one reality and for Shankara, the one-without-a-second. Works cited: 'Light on Yoga' by B.K.S. Iyengar Thorsons, 1966 page 525 'The Glorious Presence' The Vedanta Philosophy Including Shankara's Ode to the South-Facing Form Quest Books, Theosophical Pub House, 1952 'Strange Facts About a Great Saint' By Raj P. Varma Jabalpur, India 1980 Varma Sons Pub. p.10
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Mexicans, Blacks and Asians voted for Obama
Yeah ... ancestral pain alright. I don' need no 'fuggin' green card ... I'm a indigenous peoples. I been here since 30,ooo years, an I ain't leavin'. Sorry but there are no original peoples here in 'smerica. Everyone is an ima-grunt. The merciless brutality of the amer-indians was all about tribal identity not hollyweird media bs. We are returning to that condition so you better choose the right tribe. Maybe Australia. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Oh, well, no wonder - you are working through all that ancestral pain.  America is still being invaded by outsiders, exploiters, those looking for an easy ride.  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Mexicans, Blacks and Asians voted for Obama  Not speaking for anybody else, but mine are, 11 generations, since 1640. My ancestors along with blacks, forcibly brought here, built this country. As for so called *Native Americans*, they migrated here from Asia and would still be living in the *stone age*, following herds of buffalo on foot , eating berries and killing each other over hunting territory had it not been for my ancestors. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Mexicans, Blacks and Asians voted for Obama  Bully, are your ancestors Native Americans?  From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why Mexicans, Blacks and Asians voted for Obama  Obama and the Democrats give them money and benefits! They are part of the dependency class, *many* of whom came here illegally for the benefits, they're not Americans per se. Many of them don't even speak English. No, American didn't win Tuesday night, weakness and dependency did. America is more than just being a citizen. It's E Pluribus, pluribus, now! Sad!
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Offering about Cults-now in Rich Text to Ann
And sadly so accurate. Hey, vixens unite! Scratch their I's out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: No Jason, not everyone knows this.  Nothing is wrong if Share addresses only one point, but she didn't address any point - she just descended back into passive-aggressive attack.  There was no week of peace on the forum - it was election week, after all, remember?  Share has not demonstrated any intellectual sanity at all - post one thing that constitutes a personal response she's made in this situation that demonstrates that.  Your characterization of Judy is so tiresome and so gender-stereotypical.  From: Jason jedi_spock@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Offering about Cults-now in Rich Text to Ann  Anybody who has been reading this forum for past two years know that the Robin of today is still pretty much 'off his rocker'. What's wrong if Share addresses only one point? There was one week of peace in the forum. Now you are back as usual, pestering, nagging, hen-pecking, complaining, scolding, overbearing, bossy, annoying, bothersome, irksome, aggravating, vexing, disquieting and downright maddening. If LK and Share are not sane intellectually? You are emotionally nuts. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Again, notice that Share addresses only one point in Ann's thoughtful post--and that *how* she addresses it makes almost no sense. As far as she's concerned, the fact that LK still has a bug up his ass about what went on with Robin decades ago somehow negates not only everything Ann has said but confirms everything *Share* has said, including what she has said about the Robin we know from FFL, today's Robin. It doesn't occur to her to ask herself whether, from what she knows of Ann, LK's concern for Ann is even sane. The idea that Howell's book has more than validated Share's suspicions about Robin--whatever they are; she's careful not to say--is so ridiculous it leads one to wonder about Share's own sanity. --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ann, if it's all in the past, then why did your good friend LK express concern about you in reference to all that JUST A FEW DAYS AGO? From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Offering about Cults-now in Rich Text to Ann  --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Dear Emily,I have just finished reading Vishnu's book, The Cult. Share, you might as well have just finished reading The Farmer's Almanac from 1963 for all the relevance it has to anything going on currently. Listen, I was there, I may be in the book for all I know but am not sure as I have not yet read it and probably will, at most, speed read through. Relatively speaking, this is all ancient history. 27 years is a very long time. What were you doing and thinking and involved with 27 years ago? I certainly hope it was different from what you are doing today. Let it go. Not one single person featured in that book is still in that time and space. Those days are long gone. I was filled with joy at the end of it, so many happy endings.ÃâàAnd yes, a few genuinely tragic endings. Don't dwell in the past. It was but a fleeting moment in a long progression of hours and days and weeks and years. Move along, we all have, long ago. It is as if you think this is all still happening. It is not. It is long over. Lose the romantic notion of something that no longer exists (and the sentimentality while you are at it). ÃâàIt is clear who Ann is in the book though Vishnu uses pseudonyms.ÃâàPerhaps your reaction to the book will not be similar to mine.ÃâàAfter all, I have known Vishnu in person.ÃâàNot well, I might conjecture. You didn't even know Vishnu and the author were the same person. And someone interpreting your dream is hardly knowing someone well. I know the author more than well. He was one of my dearest friends, I was married at his home, there was a core group of us who were inseparable and bound to each other for life. As a result of reading this book, my suspicions about Robin have been more than validated by those who knew him so well and for a long time. Christ woman, this was decades ago. Get over it.  I continue to wish him all the best always. Share, what does this actually mean? How does this translate? Get real, this is a fatuous cliche with no basis in anything but New Age babble. It simply does not compute with the rest of what you just wrote. It is like this statement just appeared out of left field. And I don't think he is even now completely healed from his childhood traumas and his drug experiences. Perhaps he is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama WonâSo I Fired 22 Employees
Yeah, they should just save enough to make a real difference and then give it to the folks who might need it. You only need a few clothes, some food to fill your belly and then you can be worth something to everyone else. After all, the only investment you can make that carries into the next life is good deeds. Now give us that money. Only the evil keep it for themselves or family ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Why would anybody take their savings and barrow more to start a business if it weren't going to be profitable? THAT is how wealth is created. Many people spend enormous amounts of money and 60-70- hours a week or more building a business before it ever becomes profitable. They take incredible risks getting started and once they start turning a profit, should they succeed, da gubmint steps in and demands a big cut, not just to run government but to redistribute that wealth especially among those that have no appreciation of how that wealth was created in the first place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: muula-bandha willy
Yep ... wiki-willy is our erudite teacher. Only he has them smarts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: According to Iyengar, 'mula bhanda asana' is a posture where the body from the anus to the navel is contracted and lifted up and towards the spine. emptybill: It's the goodess from Cashmere... Of course Saraswati is the 'goodess' that came from 'Cashmere' - why do you think the Vedics called the river 'Saraswati'? Do you know anything about yoga asanas and tantric mudras? Get a teacher Bill, and get some smarts - at least read a history book! Apparently Bill got confused - Saraswati is Goddess Kundalini, but the Dakshina Murthy is an incarnation of Lord Shiva. LoL! Shankara's Dakshinamurti Stotram: I praise and salute that Dakshinamrthy, Who faces the south, Who explains the true nature of the supreme Brahman, Through his state of silence, Who is young in looks, Who is surrounded by disciples who are old Sages, Whose minds are fixed on Brahman, Who is the greatest of teachers, Who shows the Chinmudhra by his hand, Who is personification of happiness, Who is in the state of extreme joy within himself, And who has a smiling face... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakshinamurthy_Stotram I guess the simplest definition is that it's a technique for circulating energy emptybill: When Kundalini (the she-coil) begins to ascend it is the river of life moving into various seas and finally expanding into the ocean of omni-presence. The tern Kundalini is another name for Sri Vidya, the Goddess of Learning. According to my sources. our Guru Dev was an adherent of Sri Vidya and from what I've seen, SBS practiced the mula bandha every day in his personal yoga sadhana. According to Iyengar, 'mula bhanda asana' is a posture where the body from the anus to the navel is contracted and lifted up and towards the spine. Here are the directions for practicing the mula bandha, which is just like TM and the Sri Vidya yoga enumerated by the Adi Shankara Acharya which Shankara composed in Kashmere: Devotion to that Glorious Presence, Infinite Instructor, Who, By means of the auspicious hand-sign, Makes clear to the worshippers His own real nature Always shining within as I, Following into all the successive states- And those beginning with waking. (Translation by Ernest Wood) The auspicious hand-sign in Sanskrit literature is refered to as the symbol of wisdom or the mark of the I conciousness, which represents Knowing That I am, or Knowing That I know. The auspicious hand-sign meditation reminds us of the absolute truth, the circle made by the thumb and the forefinger is the symbol of unity - a space that is empty, yet full at the same time. It is the symbol of the one reality and for Shankara, the one-without-a-second. Works cited: 'Light on Yoga' by B.K.S. Iyengar Thorsons, 1966 page 525 'The Glorious Presence' The Vedanta Philosophy Including Shankara's Ode to the South-Facing Form Quest Books, Theosophical Pub House, 1952 'Strange Facts About a Great Saint' By Raj P. Varma Jabalpur, India 1980 Varma Sons Pub. p.10
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Offering about Cults-now in Rich Text
Yeah ... you're Bala-Krishna alright. More like Chucky-Krishna slashing the air with his knife. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: You too Jason baby - slandering an innocent, playful, baby Krishna like me - aah this must be Kali Yuga. OK now I'm mad, angry and hurt. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: ** ...look at that idiot Dalai Lama - all he does is soothe the liberals, he pretends to be be humble, loving, talks about peace, he can ill afford to offend anyone because he needs their money. Ravi Chivukula: And whenever I see Dalai Lama on Facebook, an innocent, playful desire arises in me - to use Barry's phrase - to (metaphorically) rip Dalai baby another asshole... --- Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: Why don't you just self-immolate yourself instead? That would be a more symbolic protest - I don't see how sodomizing the Dalai Lama would get you anything but thrown in prison in China. Ravi Chivukula: - I don't know why this cruel existence continues to deny this innocent desire of mine :-( Well, for one thing you raping the Dalai Lama wouldn't be very innocent :-( In fact, it sounds pretty perverted. Where is Curtis when we need him? Barry said you hated Obama because he was black! This is just outrageous!!! Heh heh, he thinks existence is cruel if his desire is denied, but raping the Lama isn't. His statement sounds similar to many serial killers who are in prison. They lament about how cruel existence is because they can't continue their attacks. Ravi Chivukula: - by the time I would be done humiliating him, instead of the fake humility, peace, love he will have an authentic emotion for the first time in his life - a maddening, overwhelming urge to hurt me..LOL..
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Prophet sanctioned pedophilia
Probably their prophet was a schizoid. Thus their holy book is a testament to total delusion. Since their god is either a schizoid projection or else an evil demon (kakos daimon) there is nothing to know here. You may compare whomever on the list you find with these definitions. Certainly there are a few folks here who make us wonder. However, I figure they are just off script and have forgotten to take their prescription(s) given by their psycho-I-a-trix ... oops, I mean succubus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: You mean this god took consideration of his carnal nature and gave him special permissions which other men couldn't have? I wonder what would be your reaction if someone like Barry or Ravi gave the same excuse? --- emptybill emptybill@ wrote: And yer point? Muslims are only embarrassed when having to defend the prophet from the proponents of the expired religions and those notoriously corrupt Westerners. Their final answer is that he was a prophet (rasul/law giver) appointed by Allah and therefore the receiver/transmitter of the word of god. As such, he was submitted to the guidance of god. Thus god took consideration of his carnal nature, just as god took consideration of the carnality of the old testament prophets. As god's own chosen prophet, he was given latitude other men (who cares about the women) could not have. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: The Prophet sanctioned pedophilia Tabari IX:137 - Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty. Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him. Tabari VIII:117 - Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims. He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself. Tubari IX:139 - You are a self-respecting girl, but the prophet is a womanizer. Words spoken by the disappointed parents of a girl who had 'offered' herself to Muhammad. Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims who are aware of them. This is particularly so for their prophet's marriage to Aisha when she was 6-years-old. The thought of a 52-year-old man sleeping and bathing with a young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy man. Critics even allege that Muhammad was a pedophile. Some Muslims respond by denying the hadith itself, which is a mistake. The accounts of Muhammad sleeping with a 9-year-old are no less reliable than those on which the five pillars of Islam are based. They have been an accepted part of tradition and did not become controversial until social mores began to change with the modern age. The charge of pedophilia may or may not be true, depending on how it is defined. Technically, Muhammad did have a sexual relationship with a child, but Aisha was also the youngest of his twelve wives. Zaynab was in her 30's when she attracted the unquenchable lust of the prophet. We don't know the age of Muhammad's sex slaves. They may or may not have been as young as Aisha, but there is no point in speculating. Another strong piece of evidence against Muhammad being a pedophile is that, according to the same Hadith, he waited from the time Aisha was six (when the marriage ceremony took place) until she turned nine to consummate the relationship. Although the text doesn't say why, in all probability it was because he was waiting for her to begin menstrual cycles - thus entering into womanhood. It is unlikely that a pedophile would be concerned about this. On the other hand, Muhammad passed down revelations from Allah that clearly condoned sleeping with underage girls, even by the standard of puberty. Qur'an (65:4) lays down rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period of three months is established to determine that the woman is not pregnant. But the same rule applies to those too who have not had their courses, a real man is one who marries a real woman... but that's just us.meaning girls who have not begun to menstruate. (In our opinion, this would have been a great time for Allah to have said something else instead like, thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with children became deeply ingrained (http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/JenniferKing50718.htm) in the Islamic tradition. For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Prophet sanctioned pedophilia
And yer point? Muslims are only embarrassed when having to defend the prophet from the proponents of the expired religions and those notoriously corrupt Westerners. Their final answer is that he was a prophet (rasul/law giver) appointed by Allah and therefore the receiver/transmitter of the word of god. As such, he was submitted to the guidance of god. Thus god took consideration of his carnal nature, just as god took consideration of the carnality of the old testament prophets. As god's own chosen prophet, he was given latitude other men (who cares about the women) could not have. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: The Prophet sanctioned pedophilia Tabari IX:137 - Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty. Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him. Tabari VIII:117 - Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims. He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself. Tubari IX:139 - You are a self-respecting girl, but the prophet is a womanizer. Words spoken by the disappointed parents of a girl who had 'offered' herself to Muhammad. Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims who are aware of them. This is particularly so for their prophet's marriage to Aisha when she was 6-years-old. The thought of a 52-year-old man sleeping and bathing with a young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy man. Critics even allege that Muhammad was a pedophile. Some Muslims respond by denying the hadith itself, which is a mistake. The accounts of Muhammad sleeping with a 9-year-old are no less reliable than those on which the five pillars of Islam are based. They have been an accepted part of tradition and did not become controversial until social mores began to change with the modern age. The charge of pedophilia may or may not be true, depending on how it is defined. Technically, Muhammad did have a sexual relationship with a child, but Aisha was also the youngest of his twelve wives. Zaynab was in her 30's when she attracted the unquenchable lust of the prophet. We don't know the age of Muhammad's sex slaves. They may or may not have been as young as Aisha, but there is no point in speculating. Another strong piece of evidence against Muhammad being a pedophile is that, according to the same Hadith, he waited from the time Aisha was six (when the marriage ceremony took place) until she turned nine to consummate the relationship. Although the text doesn't say why, in all probability it was because he was waiting for her to begin menstrual cycles - thus entering into womanhood. It is unlikely that a pedophile would be concerned about this. On the other hand, Muhammad passed down revelations from Allah that clearly condoned sleeping with underage girls, even by the standard of puberty. Qur'an (65:4) lays down rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period of three months is established to determine that the woman is not pregnant. But the same rule applies to those too who have not had their courses, a real man is one who marries a real woman... but that's just us.meaning girls who have not begun to menstruate. (In our opinion, this would have been a great time for Allah to have said something else instead like, thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with children became deeply ingrained (http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/JenniferKing50718.htm) in the Islamic tradition. For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world. The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even gave his consent to using infants (http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352826) for sexual pleasure (although warning against full penetration until the baby is a few years older). In April, 2010, a 13-year-old Yemeni girl died from injuries suffered to her womb during intercourse. Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as thighing (also known as child molestation in the West). According to a recent fatwa (known as 23672), the imam answers a question: My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually? by telling the 'man' that he may hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs. Muhammad's penchant for girls so much younger than him was such that at least two of his father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Omar, the first two Caliphs) were actually younger than him as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: anaadi matparaM brahma or anaadimat paraM brahma??
These so-called authorized sampradaya-s and their versions are merely Vaishnava creations based upon various favored interpretations. Nothing more. Shridar Swami's was the commentary which Shri Chaitanya recommended for his disciples but whenever tat tvam asi was uttered or quoted he covered his ears and pretended he couldn't hear it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nayakanayaka nayaka@... wrote: http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-13-07.html Try these commentaries. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Card Apparently you never tire of parading Hairless Krishna Propagandhi. I discussed this forced interpretation in a post with you in the past. Early Old-Timers? Well, it's kinda interesting that A.C's website has 'anaadi mat-paraM brahma' (Vaishnavite reading?): http://www.asitis.com/13/13.html ...buh..buh...but my Finnish copy of As It Is (Kuten Se On) has 'anaadimat paraM brahma' (Shankarite reading?), but[!] the vocabulary has 'anaadi mat-paraM brahma' (V.r.): http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8002198778/in/photostream/ligh\ tbox/ This confusion almost makes me nuts...shucks! :-/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: [Prev][Next][Index] Vedanta (4 of 4) Subject: Vedanta (4 of 4) From: manish@ (Manish Tandon) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 22:28:24 GMT Apparently-To: alt-hindu@ From news@ Thu Mar 16 17: 20:40 1995 Newsgroups: alt.hindu Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Sender: news@ namo om vishnu padaya krishna prasthaya bhu tale srimate bhaktivedanta swamin iti namine om ajnana timirandhasya jnananjana salakaya caksur unmilitan yena tasmai sri- gurave namah om brahman satyam jagan mithya Brahman alone is (formless and unmanifested) The advaita-vadins say: viShaya: Form is only for beginners. All forms disolves at the time of mukti. Krishna says in the Gita (12.5) For those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To this we reply: samSaya: But that is quoting out of context! He already described His personal worshipers in (12.2) and declared them the best before He even began to describe the impersonalists. BG 12.2 Sri Bhagavan uvacha: Those who fix their minds on My personal form and are always engaged in worshiping Me with great transcendental faith are considered by Me to be the most perfect. Now you may say that Krishna is saying that only to encourage the conditioned beings since then cannot concentrate on the formless and if concentrating on the form is inferior they may not take up either. But not so, because in BG (13.13) He explicitly says anadi mat-param brahman the beginningless (anadi) Brahman is subordinate to Me (mat-param). The advaita-vadins say: viShaya: But sruti says Brahman is Supreme, it cannot be subordinate to anyone or anything. To this we reply: samSaya: Not so. Sruti explicitly says Isvara/'Paramam Brahma' and jivah/'anur atma' in several places and there is no obvious reason, save for atheism, to resolve the two into one. The advaita-vadins cite Mundaka Upanisad (3.2.9) brahma veda brahmaiva bhavati one who knows Brahman attains Brahman whereas the actual verse says sa yo ha vai tat paramam brahma veda brahmaiva bhavati one who knows the Supreme Brahman attains Brahman! Svetasvatar Upanisad (3.7) tatha param brahma param brhantam yatha-nikayam sarva-bhuteshu gudham visvasya aikam parivestitaram isam tam jnatvamrta bhavanti Higher than this is the Supreme Brahman, the great hidden in all the creatures according to their bodies, the One who envelopes the universe, knowing Him, the Lord, (jivas) become free. Note the explicit words tatha param brahma refer to Isvara and not just (nirguna) Brahman. So Krishna is the Supreme Brahman and knowing Him, one realizes his real nature which is Brahman (sat-cit-ananda). Gopal-tapani Upanisad (1.35) tam ekam govindam sat-cit-ananda-vigraham You may say no. no. Brahman is Supreme and paramam brahmn only means Brahman that is supreme. But we refute that because that is contrary to the grammar. Do you say Head Master and Master the Head to say the same thing? Head Master refers to a master who is the head and there may or may not be other masters, whereas Master the head refers the Master
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congrats, Mitt!?
You basterds are all a buncha Euro-commies. Mitt and Ann will start a new brahmanda after they go to heaven and serve many lost souls - 'cept you faithless bolshedicks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 11/04/2012 02:03 PM, card wrote: Just learned that according to the Redskins rule, Mitt Romney is the next President of the USA. So, I guess I have to congratulate Mormon (yuck!) Mitt Romney as the de facto winner... :-( The tea baggers should be careful what they ask for because if Romney wins they'll be unhappy because he wants to take away their porn, their beer and their coffee. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] For the Fox News haters
A Pew study catalogs media bias and finds MSNBC the winner! On MSNBC, the ratio of negative to positive stories on GOP candidate Mitt Romney was 71 to 3.That's not a news channel. That's a propaganda machine ... http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-pew-study-\ suggests-msnbc-really-is-more-partisan-than-fox-20121102,0,7266571.story
[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Fox News haters
Barry-2 Advocacy journalism became the goal in post-70's America, since the powers that pee determined that objectivity was a non-existent phenomenon. Since objectivity was impossible and the specter of the 1930's totenkopf has faded with the death of Dr. Joseph Göbbels, what was left but natural propagandizing? MSNBC is the current incarnation of that trend. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 11/03/2012 07:47 AM, emptybill wrote: A Pew study catalogs media bias and finds MSNBC the winner! On MSNBC, the ratio of negative to positive stories on GOP candidate Mitt Romney was 71 to 3.That's not a news channel. That's a propaganda machine ... http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-pew-study-\ \ suggests-msnbc-really-is-more-partisan-than-fox-20121102,0,7266571.story Mr. Bill, news channels are entertainment these days. MSNBC and their sponsors are going after the liberal bucks. Liberals are often better educated and earn more income than the conservative crowd. Also Comcast owns the controlling share of NBC and probably doesn't want I'm going to end porn Romney in. They make a lot of money on those adult channel subscriptions. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Fox News haters
Hyour so hright kommrade! Better that our brave commy-czars tell the little folk what they need to know. No more so-called ideals of the petite bourgeoisie --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: And a good reason to disallow Corprica to own so much of the media. On 11/03/2012 11:15 AM, emptybill wrote: Barry-2 Advocacy journalism became the goal in post-70's America, since the powers that pee determined that objectivity was a non-existent phenomenon. Since objectivity was impossible and the specter of the 1930's totenkopf has faded with the death of Dr. Joseph Göbbels, what was left but natural propagandizing? MSNBC is the current incarnation of that trend. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 11/03/2012 07:47 AM, emptybill wrote: A Pew study catalogs media bias and finds MSNBC the winner! On MSNBC, the ratio of negative to positive stories on GOP candidate Mitt Romney was 71 to 3.That's not a news channel. That's a propaganda machine ... http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-pew-study-\ \ \ suggests-msnbc-really-is-more-partisan-than-fox-20121102,0,7266571.story Mr. Bill, news channels are entertainment these days. MSNBC and their sponsors are going after the liberal bucks. Liberals are often better educated and earn more income than the conservative crowd. Also Comcast owns the controlling share of NBC and probably doesn't want I'm going to end porn Romney in. They make a lot of money on those adult channel subscriptions. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samavartaka Fire
The Brahmvaivarta is a typical sectarian Vaishnava purana. It is full of krishna is the supreme god, all the rest are only demi-gods. ISKON translations are actually sectarian interpretations nothing more. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nayakanayaka nayaka@... wrote: This translation of BV Purana by an anonymous Iskcon devotee is not precise, to say the least. In no way is this text apt to give a prediction about a coming golden age. Check with a Sanskrit specialist about this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From a friend: _ Re Samavartaka Fire, below: I haven't had any confirmation of the comment attributed to Maharishi, and I don't have any further information on who the Jyotishis are that have predicted it to come in Feb. 2013. From what I have seen on the internet, it seems that the predictions of a phase transition fall sometime during the next 2 years. What is encouraging is the actual quote that 2 people sent me from one of the Puranas that predicts the 10,000 year Age of Enlightenment to begin 5,000 years into Kali Yuga, which is where we are now. The Sanskrit transliteration and the English translation of the 10 verses are below the original email: _ THE SAMAVARTAKA FIRE From the Brahma Vaivarta Purana Krishna said to Ganga (Gangamata, the Ganges personified as a goddess). Five thousand years from this date, within the span of Kali Yuga, there will be respite from this terrible age. There will be a golden age of 10,000 years. Jyotishis have calculated that it will come on February 2013 and call it the Samavartaka Fire, a solar cleansing of the earth. Both the Mayan Calendar and the Samavartaka Fire predictions were done at least 5,000 years ago, but there is some dispute about the accuracy of the Mayan calendar end-date. These predictions were done on opposite sides of the earth at the same time. The time in between ages is called Pralaya where there is often a time of strife. Someone on Purusha asked Maharishi about the Mayan calendar end-date, and he said, It's a little off. _ The following are ten verses from the Brahma-vaivarta Purana that were spoken by Lord Krishna to Mother Ganga just before the beginning of Kali yuga (the age of quarrel and strife). Kali yuga began approximately five thousand years ago, and it has a duration of 432,000 years, leaving us with 427,000 till the end of the present age. [For a description of Kali yuga, please read the related article Predictions for the age of Kali.] Within this 432,000 year period, there is a period of 10,000 years that will be a golden age. That golden age is being described below by Lord Sri Krishna. This text is taken from the Brahma-vaivarta Purana. Text 49 bhagarathy uvaca he natha ramanashreshtha yasi golokamuttamam asmakam ka gatishcatra bhavishyati kalau yuge Ganges said: O protector, Supreme enjoyer, on your departure for the perfect abode, Goloka, thereafter what will be my situation in the age of kali? Text 50 sri-bhagavan uvaca kaleh pancasahasrani varshani tishtha bhutale papani papino yani tubhyam dasyanti snanatah The blessed Lord said: On the earth 5,000 years of kali will be sinful and sinners will deposit their sins in you by bathing. Text 51 man-mantropasakasparshad bhasmibhutani tatkshanat bhavishyanti darsanacca snanadeva hi jahnavi Thereafter by the sight and touch of those who worship me by my mantra, all those sins will be burnt. Text 52 harernamani yatraiva puranani bhavanti hi tatra gatva savadhanam abhih sarddham ca shroshyasi There will be chanting of the name of Hari and reading of the [Bhagavata] Purana. Reaching such a place, attentively hear. Text 53 purana shravanaccaiva harernamanukirtanat bhasmibhutani papani brahma-hatyadikani ca Sinful reactions including the killing of a brahmana can be nullified by hearing the Purana and chanting of the names of Hari in the manner of devotees. Text 54 bhasmibhutani tanyeva vaishnavalinganena ca trinani shushkakashthani dahanti pavako yatha Just as dry grass is burnt by fire, by the embrace of My devotees all sins are burnt. Text 55 tathapi vaishnava loke papani papinamapi prithivyam yani tirthani punyanyapi ca jahnavi O Ganges, the whole planet will become a pilgrimage sight by the presence of My devotees, even though it had been sinful. Text 56 madbhaktanam sharireshu santi puteshu samtatam madbhaktapadarajasa sadyah puta vasundhara In the body of my devotees remains eternally [the purifier]. Mother earth becomes pure by the dust of the feet of my devotees. Text 57
[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
If I remember from the pic you posted here, your schnozoloa wasn't quite so prominent. Must be the pinocchio effect. Got them big stories up for display? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: When the blossom shrivels - it can then reveal the bitter shrew. Actually, an elephant shrew. It's an old story... mythologized throughout the history of Western culture. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ann, you don't get it?! Nonetheless you make derogatory remarks! About a list which includes Quakers, Liberal Catholics and Sufis; yoga classes and qigong and devotional singing! Your capacity for unfounded accusations seems to know no bounds. I happy to see I'm in such good company, having also been accused by you in this way. Ok, in reference to your all fine post this evening, this probably makes it all unfine again. But I could not in good conscience let go unanswered your making such derogatory and blanket statements about so many good groups of people. For good sakes, woman, you haven't even been here in how many years?! How can you say such things based on no actual experience of these actual groups?! What is going on with you that you can do this? I admit, I don't understand.   From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Well as negative as I have been about TMO and MMY, I have to say I am surprised at the number and breadth of what is going on in Fairfield today - it was hidden and underground in the 80's. I have to admit it must have been the TM infusion that created the kernel around which all the other energy formed. I think these travelling medicine men and side shows recognize an opening (Fairfield Iowa) when they see one. Good Lord, what a load. Is there shoulder room in that town? And the townies back in the early 70's thought it was crazy when MIU moved in. I have to say I don't get it, not one little bit. And one more thing, the title of this post seems a tad generous. Shall we call it instead, Directory of Active Groups Happy to Take You All For a Ride. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield àWOW, it's become a literal smorgasbord of Religions! Probably not what MMY or the tmorg had in mind, but then, TM ain't a Religions so, what would you expect? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, What is going on in Fairfield? The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are wondering about. Fairfield has become recognized as a spiritual Mecca of sorts, ranking with Sedona, Arizona, Boulder and Crestone, Colorado, Ashville, North Carolina and the like. Within these past four decades, Fairfield spiritual practice groups have matured, giving this community a rich, new face. The long-time Fairfield meditating community today is its own center for spiritual practice. The breadth of spiritual practice groups in Fairfield is now a unique feature of our town in the 21st Century. ___Alphabetical: A Course in Miracles, Mondays 7:30 pm. Local contact: 472-7148. The Afternoon Satsang, at Revelations Coffee Shop. North room 2:30pm most days. Spiritual experience and understanding. Ammachi Fairfield Satsang Ammachi Fairfield weekly schedule of meditation, chanting, and bhajans. http://amma-fairfield.org/ contact: 472-8563 or 472-9336 Art of Living Foundation -Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Meditation and program schedule in Fairfield. 472-9892 http://us.artofliving.org/index.html Babaji Group: Local contact: 472-9952 Bapuji Group Shri Avadoot, better known as óBapujiò. Local contact: 472-9260 Chalanda Sai Maa Satang in Fairfield Group meditations based on the teachings of Chalanda Sai Maa Lakshmi Devi. First and third Monday of the month at 7:30 PM. Call for location information: 641-919-5223
[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
MJ - Beware of being respected. It makes us dependent upon other people's opinions You know from experience that those opinions will change anyway. National spiritual groups found Fairfield a fertile ground for their plantings. That says more about what was absent in the TMO than about the groups. The TMO gestapo is a Euro-American phenomenon. In India there are temples everywhere and people go where they please - this group, that temple, this sampradaya, that sampradaya. Even in America, people are free to attend the church/synagogue/mosque/ or spiritual group that they wish. That fact makes the TMO not only a cult (like the Jehovah witnesses) but downright Un-American. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: As little as I know you Feste, for some reason I respect you. Your response to me is non- reactive and actually conveys something of the validity of the plethora of spiritual smorgasbord available in FF. I am not sure I would agree with you on what you wrote here (we are all different in our needs and expectations and desires) if I lived in FF for a few months but I respect your right to say this and to believe it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Sidhi Practitioners
As we know from Patanjali's Y.S., the akasha-gamana sutra is just a side-line possibility. Patanlali was quite clear in his statements. Direct seeing of the difference between sheer awareness (drishti-matra) and the effulgence of the intellect (buddhi-sattva) is the only means to freedom from the procreatix (prakriti). If sidha-s only do the flying sutra then they are leaving out the very part (except for the heart sutra) that matters The undulating bitch controls all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote: Just curious to know if those who are regular with the TM Sidhi practice would answer this: If you were no longer able for some unknown esoteric reason (or instructions came from the TMO) to no longer practice the flying sutra, would you still do the rest of the sutras in addition to TM? When I was regular, the flying sutra was the highlight of the program, and for most people I knew, the other sutras were what you did to get to the flying sutra, so if you couldn't do it, would you continue with the rest of the sutras?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
Barry ... and occultists who know how to do so can travel to those places or live in those places and *draw upon* these reservoirs of power, to re-channel the energies present there and put them to (hopefully) positive uses in their own lives. If you've got the juice you don't need a place to energize you. Think Der Führer. You energize other places, other people. A ... those were the days. Der bier, der Brauts. der broads. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: After traipsing around with the Movement (I still call it that after all these years), Deepak, and looking from the outside at others like Ananda (good old J. Donald Walters) and having also sampled a plethora healing stuff from Holotropic breathwork to Touch for Health kinesiology, I am not likely to be swayed by any follow me people - I was pretty much over that after I left MIU - 2 years after leaving MIU I spent a couple weeks in Santa Fe - and man oh man was there ever a lot of New Agey stuff going on there! Not so much as Sedona where I spent another couple weeks - an odd place where nearly every waitress and bartender was a channel, psychic or other new age practitioner who was there for the vortex energies but couldn't compete with all the others to make a living exclusively. That's hilarious, the New Age version of the Ultimate L.A. Joke: Person 1: What do you do for a living? Person 2: I'm an actor. Person 3: Oh yeah, which restaurant? :-) Still tripping on Sedona, I shall pass along to you what the Rama - Frederick Lenz guy I studied with for a while said about it, which I tend (gulp) to still agree with. He often spoke in Castanedan and occult terms, about power and the use of it. On one level, the world really can be perceived as individual pockets of power and the lines that interconnect them, lines across which power is transmitted freely, shared, borrowed, or sometimes outright stolen. Some places on the planet, according to this theory, have more innate power than others, and occultists who know how to do so can travel to those places or live in those places and *draw upon* these reservoirs of power, to re-channel the energies present there and put them to (hopefully) positive uses in their own lives. Hopefully. The Rama guy also had a name for places of power to which an overabundance of amateur occultists lacking in self control and over-endowed with ego had chosen to live, and who had overused and overabused that power. He called such places lined out. Santa Fe was lined out. The Grand Canyon's South Rim is largely lined out, because of the millions of tourists who have been there. Sedona is WAY lined out. On the contrary, places like Canyon de Chelly, which few people know about, is *not* lined out. You go there and it's just as shiny and as pristine as it ever was. My experience with Sedona matches your own. WAY lined out. Its power was WAY sucked dry and depleted decades ago by the people who moved there, and who either used it badly or used it badly *and* egoically.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
You would know. Since you were a displaced brahma-rakshsa last lifetime, you were probably standing up tall for your guru. He was an asura that was more powerful than you because his shakti was real - not imaginary like yours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H04436,_Klagenfu\ rt,_Adolf_Hitler,_Ehrenkompanie.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Oh I'm loving these empty Barry - you two need to talk more, conversations between two emotionally stunted persons can be so exhilarating and invigorating. Devi and I approve this. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:22 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: ** *Barry ... and occultists who know how to do so can travel to those places or live in those places and *draw upon* these reservoirs of power, to re-channel the energies present there and put them to (hopefully) positive uses in their own lives.* If you've got the juice you don't need a place to energize you. Think *Der Führer*. You energize other places, other people. A ... *those *were the days. Der bier, der Brauts. der broads. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: After traipsing around with the Movement (I still call it that after all these years), Deepak, and looking from the outside at others like Ananda (good old J. Donald Walters) and having also sampled a plethora healing stuff from Holotropic breathwork to Touch for Health kinesiology, I am not likely to be swayed by any follow me people - I was pretty much over that after I left MIU - 2 years after leaving MIU I spent a couple weeks in Santa Fe - and man oh man was there ever a lot of New Agey stuff going on there! Not so much as Sedona where I spent another couple weeks - an odd place where nearly every waitress and bartender was a channel, psychic or other new age practitioner who was there for the vortex energies but couldn't compete with all the others to make a living exclusively. That's hilarious, the New Age version of the Ultimate L.A. Joke: Person 1: What do you do for a living? Person 2: I'm an actor. Person 3: Oh yeah, which restaurant? :-) Still tripping on Sedona, I shall pass along to you what the Rama - Frederick Lenz guy I studied with for a while said about it, which I tend (gulp) to still agree with. He often spoke in Castanedan and occult terms, about power and the use of it. On one level, the world really can be perceived as individual pockets of power and the lines that interconnect them, lines across which power is transmitted freely, shared, borrowed, or sometimes outright stolen. Some places on the planet, according to this theory, have more innate power than others, and occultists who know how to do so can travel to those places or live in those places and *draw upon* these reservoirs of power, to re-channel the energies present there and put them to (hopefully) positive uses in their own lives. Hopefully. The Rama guy also had a name for places of power to which an overabundance of amateur occultists lacking in self control and over-endowed with ego had chosen to live, and who had overused and overabused that power. He called such places lined out. Santa Fe was lined out. The Grand Canyon's South Rim is largely lined out, because of the millions of tourists who have been there. Sedona is WAY lined out. On the contrary, places like Canyon de Chelly, which few people know about, is *not* lined out. You go there and it's just as shiny and as pristine as it ever was. My experience with Sedona matches your own. WAY lined out. Its power was WAY sucked dry and depleted decades ago by the people who moved there, and who either used it badly or used it badly *and* egoically.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
Ravioli sez: it's bad news if you don't hear back from me. More brahmrakshasa threats! You sound desperate. Must be terrible to only have imaginary shakti - one called bragging-I. Hmmm ... is that your attempt at a Sanskrit name? How far you've fallen - now with pidgin Sanskrit! By the way ... meet my new friend. Her name is Rakchenmo and she is definitely not the bitch with whom you claim to have sex! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: And Devi will change her mind regarding your emotional stunted-ness after reading this? I suspect not, but I will check empty baby, it's bad news if you don't hear back from me. On Nov 2, 2012, at 2:05 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: You would know. Since you were a displaced brahma-rakshsa last lifetime, you were probably standing up tall for your guru. He was an asura that was more powerful than you because his shakti was real - not imaginary like yours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H04436,_Klagenfu\ \ rt,_Adolf_Hitler,_Ehrenkompanie.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh I'm loving these empty Barry - you two need to talk more, conversations between two emotionally stunted persons can be so exhilarating and invigorating. Devi and I approve this. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:22 PM, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: ** *Barry ... and occultists who know how to do so can travel to those places or live in those places and *draw upon* these reservoirs of power, to re-channel the energies present there and put them to (hopefully) positive uses in their own lives.* If you've got the juice you don't need a place to energize you. Think *Der Führer*. You energize other places, other people. A ... *those *were the days. Der bier, der Brauts. der broads. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: After traipsing around with the Movement (I still call it that after all these years), Deepak, and looking from the outside at others like Ananda (good old J. Donald Walters) and having also sampled a plethora healing stuff from Holotropic breathwork to Touch for Health kinesiology, I am not likely to be swayed by any follow me people - I was pretty much over that after I left MIU - 2 years after leaving MIU I spent a couple weeks in Santa Fe - and man oh man was there ever a lot of New Agey stuff going on there! Not so much as Sedona where I spent another couple weeks - an odd place where nearly every waitress and bartender was a channel, psychic or other new age practitioner who was there for the vortex energies but couldn't compete with all the others to make a living exclusively. That's hilarious, the New Age version of the Ultimate L.A. Joke: Person 1: What do you do for a living? Person 2: I'm an actor. Person 3: Oh yeah, which restaurant? :-) Still tripping on Sedona, I shall pass along to you what the Rama - Frederick Lenz guy I studied with for a while said about it, which I tend (gulp) to still agree with. He often spoke in Castanedan and occult terms, about power and the use of it. On one level, the world really can be perceived as individual pockets of power and the lines that interconnect them, lines across which power is transmitted freely, shared, borrowed, or sometimes outright stolen. Some places on the planet, according to this theory, have more innate power than others, and occultists who know how to do so can travel to those places or live in those places and *draw upon* these reservoirs of power, to re-channel the energies present there and put them to (hopefully) positive uses in their own lives. Hopefully. The Rama guy also had a name for places of power to which an overabundance of amateur occultists lacking in self control and over-endowed with ego had chosen to live, and who had overused and overabused that power. He called such places lined out. Santa Fe was lined out. The Grand Canyon's South Rim is largely lined out, because of the millions of tourists who have been there. Sedona is WAY lined out. On the contrary, places like Canyon de Chelly, which few people know about, is *not* lined out. You go there and it's just as shiny and as pristine as it ever was. My experience with Sedona matches your own. WAY lined out. Its power was WAY sucked dry and depleted decades ago by the people who
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the world's happiest man? Brain scans reveal French monk found to have 'abnormally large capacity' for joy, and it could be down to meditation | Mail Online
Most Tibetan translators are interpreters of the uttered paragraphs which they remember from the just finished discourse of a Lama. Most preform condensations of the Lama's words with the resultant uncertainty about total fidelity to his actual message. Matthieu Ricard is a Gelugpa mouthpiece for the Dalai Lama and in many ways professes a type of neo-buddhist presentation to Western practitioners. We don't need more neo-buddhism with its über-synthesis of rationalism and new-age platitudes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2225634/Is-worlds-happiest-man\ -Brain-scans-reveal-French-monk-abnormally-large-capacity-joy-meditation\ .html I've actually seen Matthieu Ricard do his thing, while translating for the Dalai Lama or other Tibetan teachers, and have always wondered how much of his brain plasticity is the result of how simultaneous translation is done in that context. Translating for a Tibetan Buddhist teacher is *NOT* the way you see it done at the UN. Instead of translating phrase by phrase, the translator sits quietly beside the teacher, listening but taking no notes, and allowing the teacher to speak as long as he wants. Then, when the teacher pauses, the translator relates what the teacher said, in a different language. The teacher could have been talking for two minutes or twelve, but the translators seem to always (according to people I know who are bilingual in Tibetan and English) spot-on, and perfect. Nothing left out, nothing added, and nothing mistranslated. Being chosen to be the trans- lator for a Tibetan teacher is considered a teaching in itself, developing the ability to DO THIS. I strongly suspect that this has a great deal to do with the differences one sees in scans of his brain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
What seems missing is Buddhist practice - Theravada samata-vipassana and Vajrayana devata-yoga. Dzogchen is beyond Buddhism but is also missing from Fairfield. I tried to get an extraordinary Rimé yogin-scholar to go to Fairfield but he wasn't interested because many FFL folk were already doing Hindu yoga practice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Well as negative as I have been about TMO and MMY, I have to say I am surprised at the number and breadth of what is going on in Fairfield today - it was hidden and underground in the 80's. I have to admit it must have been the TM infusion that created the kernel around which all the other energy formed. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield  WOW, it's become a literal smorgasbord of Religions! Probably not what MMY or the tmorg had in mind, but then, TM ain't a Religions so, what would you expect? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, What is going on in Fairfield? The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are wondering about. Fairfield has become recognized as a spiritual Mecca of sorts, ranking with Sedona, Arizona, Boulder and Crestone, Colorado, Ashville, North Carolina and the like. Within these past four decades, Fairfield spiritual practice groups have matured, giving this community a rich, new face. The long-time Fairfield meditating community today is its own center for spiritual practice. The breadth of spiritual practice groups in Fairfield is now a unique feature of our town in the 21st Century. ___Alphabetical: A Course in Miracles, Mondays 7:30 pm. Local contact: 472-7148. The Afternoon Satsang, at Revelations Coffee Shop. North room 2:30pm most days. Spiritual experience and understanding. Ammachi Fairfield Satsang Ammachi Fairfield weekly schedule of meditation, chanting, and bhajans. http://amma-fairfield.org/ contact: 472-8563 or 472-9336 Art of Living Foundation -Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Meditation and program schedule in Fairfield. 472-9892 http://us.artofliving.org/index.html Babaji Group: Local contact: 472-9952 Bapuji Group Shri Avadoot, better known as ³Bapuji². Local contact: 472-9260 Chalanda Sai Maa Satang in Fairfield Group meditations based on the teachings of Chalanda Sai Maa Lakshmi Devi. First and third Monday of the month at 7:30 PM. Call for location information: 641-919-5223 641-919-5223 or email directly at: FairfieldSaiMaa@ http://www.humanityinunity.org Circle of Sophia a holy order for women at St. Gabriel and All Angels, the Liberal Catholic Church. Original worship celebration, written from sources in ancient Christianity, enlivens the Feminine Divine for both men and women. Celebrations monthly. 300 E. Burlington. www.stgabe.org Contact 472-1645 Deeksha Darshan and teachings of Bhagavan Kalki Padmavati Amma Fairfield contact for local program: 472-6948 Divine Mother Church in Fairfield `We don¹t talk about God, we commune with God'. Interfaith Service: Sundays 11 AM; 51 North Court, East Entrance Contact 641.209.9900 641.209.9900 Eckankar Local meetings, lectures and meditation Bringing speakers from the regional and national movement http://www.eckankar.org Fairfield Vedic Pujas, Yagyas and Ceremonies Scheduled public events always open to interested persons. By Vedic Scholar and Priest, Pandit Dhruv Narain Sharma: 630-240-3368 630-240-3368 http://yagya108.org/default.aspx Fellowship of the Holy Spirit in Fairfield `Consciousness, Joy, and Devotion: Christianity that works.' Sundays, 11 AM, 51 North Court. 472-8737. Gangaji Group Local contact: 472-9476. Golden Shield Qi Gong Fairfield practice: 641-919-3913 641-919-3913 . Golden Shield Qi Gong www.jingui.com 641-472-5998 641-472-5998 Hatha Yoga classes. Sue Berkey: 472-6577 Henry Hertzberger Chanting, Pujas Yagyas. Mahaganapati Temple Schedule: Fairfield Shri Karunamayi Satsang Fairfield Group Meditation, Chanting and Program. 472-8422 http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/2008Fairfield.shtml Liberal Catholic Church in Fairfield St Gabriel and all Angels, 300 E. Burlington. Contact, 472-1625 www.stgabe.org Manavata Mandir Vedic Temple 800 W. Burlington in Fairfield. 469-6041. Master Spiritual Healer John Douglas Biannual visits to Fairfield Workshops, meetings, meditation. http://www.spirit-repair.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
When the blossom shrivels - it can then reveal the bitter shrew. It's an old story... mythologized throughout the history of Western culture. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ann, you don't get it?! Nonetheless you make derogatory remarks! About a list which includes Quakers, Liberal Catholics and Sufis; yoga classes and qigong and devotional singing! Your capacity for unfounded accusations seems to know no bounds. I happy to see I'm in such good company, having also been accused by you in this way. Ok, in reference to your all fine post this evening, this probably makes it all unfine again. But I could not in good conscience let go unanswered your making such derogatory and blanket statements about so many good groups of people. For good sakes, woman, you haven't even been here in how many years?! How can you say such things based on no actual experience of these actual groups?! What is going on with you that you can do this? I admit, I don't understand.   From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Well as negative as I have been about TMO and MMY, I have to say I am surprised at the number and breadth of what is going on in Fairfield today - it was hidden and underground in the 80's. I have to admit it must have been the TM infusion that created the kernel around which all the other energy formed. I think these travelling medicine men and side shows recognize an opening (Fairfield Iowa) when they see one. Good Lord, what a load. Is there shoulder room in that town? And the townies back in the early 70's thought it was crazy when MIU moved in. I have to say I don't get it, not one little bit. And one more thing, the title of this post seems a tad generous. Shall we call it instead, Directory of Active Groups Happy to Take You All For a Ride. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield àWOW, it's become a literal smorgasbord of Religions! Probably not what MMY or the tmorg had in mind, but then, TM ain't a Religions so, what would you expect? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, What is going on in Fairfield? The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are wondering about. Fairfield has become recognized as a spiritual Mecca of sorts, ranking with Sedona, Arizona, Boulder and Crestone, Colorado, Ashville, North Carolina and the like. Within these past four decades, Fairfield spiritual practice groups have matured, giving this community a rich, new face. The long-time Fairfield meditating community today is its own center for spiritual practice. The breadth of spiritual practice groups in Fairfield is now a unique feature of our town in the 21st Century. ___Alphabetical: A Course in Miracles, Mondays 7:30 pm. Local contact: 472-7148. The Afternoon Satsang, at Revelations Coffee Shop. North room 2:30pm most days. Spiritual experience and understanding. Ammachi Fairfield Satsang Ammachi Fairfield weekly schedule of meditation, chanting, and bhajans. http://amma-fairfield.org/ contact: 472-8563 or 472-9336 Art of Living Foundation -Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Meditation and program schedule in Fairfield. 472-9892 http://us.artofliving.org/index.html Babaji Group: Local contact: 472-9952 Bapuji Group Shri Avadoot, better known as óBapujiò. Local contact: 472-9260 Chalanda Sai Maa Satang in Fairfield Group meditations based on the teachings of Chalanda Sai Maa Lakshmi Devi. First and third Monday of the month at 7:30 PM. Call for location information: 641-919-5223 641-919-5223 or email directly at: FairfieldSaiMaa@ http://www.humanityinunity.org Circle of Sophia a holy order for women at St. Gabriel and All Angels, the Liberal Catholic Church. Original worship celebration, written from sources in ancient Christianity, enlivens the Feminine Divine for both men and women. Celebrations monthly. 300 E. Burlington. www.stgabe.org Contact 472-1645 Deeksha Darshan and teachings of Bhagavan Kalki Padmavati Amma Fairfield contact for local program: 472-6948 Divine Mother Church in Fairfield `We donùt talk about
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sandy provides an opportunity for creative reportage
Amazingly ignorant bullshit. The Japanese murdered 300,00 unarmed men, women and children before they even came near to Nanking. Before arriving at Nanking, a no prisoners rule was instituted. 50% of the population was murdered just to demonstrate Japanese superiority to the rest of Asia. All that in 1937. Apparently you don't know shit about real history - just euro propaganda. You otta be talking fantasy with barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Stay safe, all of you in the storm's path... Perhaps Shiva as Rudra (Rudraabhisheka...) tries to remind Amerika of its past bad karma, like Hiroshima, Nagasaki, perhaps even 9/11. But most probably, not... Wiki: Rudra (Devanagari: #2352;#2369;#2342;#2381;#2352;) is a Rigvedic God, associated with wind or storm,[1] and the hunt. The name has been translated as The Roarer,[2][3].[4] The theonym Shiva originates as an epithet of Rudra, the adjective shiva kind being used euphemistically of the god who in the Rigveda also carries the epithet ghora terrible.[5] Usage of the epithet came to exceed the original theonym and by the post-Vedic period (in the Sanskrit Epics), and the name Rudra has been taken as a synonym for the god Shiva and the two names are used interchangeably.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: How to Get Good at Uncertainty for WEDNESDAY
So now it's us - you an' your gal Devi. Oh, I must've fergit ... yer mr. aushu sarvadarshan. Guess you and Devi need to do some skyping 'cause you find omnipresence so boring. BTW ... I just sold my copy of the Rig Veda, published in 12 volumes on Amazon.com. It has devanagari and romanized sanskrit on the left side page and an English translation on the right side page. The translation follows the directives and methods of Sri Aurobindo and is done by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati. Don't worry! I still have the metrically restored Rig Veda text, Harvard Oriental Series vol. 5. Every brahmana-rakshasa ought to have one, even if you can only chant by yourself: that is in-between martinis. Better that than descending into a chandala's body. I'm just trying to help you out Ravioli. You know, just wishing you the breast. Rig Veda : A Metrically Restored Text With an Introduction and Notes http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674769716 / http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674769716 Book and Disk (Harvard Oriental, Vol 5) (Written in Sanskrit) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674769716 [Hardcover] [Feb 07, 1995] Van Nooten, Barend and Holland, Gary http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674769716 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Devi is not amused at your rebellious attitude empty baby, cute if you were a teenager, not a 60+ old homeless destitute, begging for books as a show of rebellion - is this how you worship her on Navaratri, by slandering her Ashutosh? Are you at least going to Skype us today is what she's asking me now - because she could tell from your picture and your stupid posts here that you have an internet connection.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra, Arid Mars, Adi-Shankara and Wiki-Willy-Tex
Yep, and Vyasa's commentary on the heart sutra points this out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: EB, sounds like Chandogya Upanishad, 8.1: In the center of the castle of Brahman, our own body, there is a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower, and within can be found a small space. We should find who dwells there, and we should want to know him. And if anyone asks, Who is he who dwells in a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower in the center of the castle of Brahman? Whom should we want to find and to know, we can answer: The little space within the heart is as great as this vast universe. The heavens and the earth are there, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars; fire and lightening and winds are there; and all that now is and all that is not. For the whole universe is in Him and He dwells within our heart. From: emptybill emptybill@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra, Arid Mars, Adi-Shankara and Wiki-Willy-Tex  Marek, You are granting Wiki-Willy an undeserved title. Willy is called Wiki because it is his main source of information. That makes him the anti-scholar whose pseudo-scholarship is proven every other post by his unwarranted and amateurish conclusions. What he is not telling you, because he doesn't know and doesn't want to know, is that the stupa is patterned upon the geometric dimensions and progressions of the Vedic vedi, the vedic sacrificial altar. The historical progression is from vedic altar to hindu temple to buddhist stupa to hindu yantra and buddhist mandala. If interested, all this is explained by the seminal work of the Australian architect, Adrian Snodgrass in Symbolism of the Stupa. Page 7 - Myth narrates a sacred history: it relates an event that took place in primordial time, the fabled time of the beginnings. In other words, myth tells how, through the deeds of Supernatural Beings, a reality came into existence, be it the whole of reality, the Cosmos, or only a fragment of reality â an island, a species of plant, a particular kind of human behavior, an institution.ââ¬Å½ Page 191 - There is this city of Brahmanâthe bodyâand in it the palace, the small lotus of the heart, and in it that small ether. Both heaven and earth are contained within it, both fire and air, both sun and moon, both lightning and stars; and whatever there is of the Self here in the world, and whatever has been or will be, all that is contained within it.ââ¬Å½ Page 191 - There is this city of Brahmanâthe bodyâand in it the palace, the small lotus of the heart, and in it that small ether. Both heaven and earth are contained within it, both fire and air, both sun and moon, both lightning and stars; and whatever there is of the Self here in the world, and whatever has been or will be, all that is contained within it.ââ¬Å½ Page 194 - He, desiring, seeking to produce various creatures from his own body, first created the waters, and deposited in them a seed. This (seed) became a golden egg, resplendent as the sun, in which he himself was born as Brahma, the progenitor of all worlds.ââ¬Å½ Page 204  - as far, verily as this (world) space extends, so far extends the space within the heart. Within it, indeed, are contained both heaven and earth, both fire and water, both sun and moon, lightning and the stars. Whatever there is of Him in this world and whatever is not, all that is contained within it.ââ¬Å½  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Richard, you wrote: So, the Sri Vidya tradition is similar to the Trika of Kashmere. The Kashmiri Pandits still worship the triratna symbol. Buddhism in Kashmere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_kashmir Kashmir Shaivism resembles Hindu tantra, and both have as their key symbol the Shri Yantra. +++ This seems to be the weak link in your argument, Richard. I think the Sri Vidya component is solid but the rest of the alleged connection to Buddhism as the basis of the TM tradition essentially is: Sri Vidya is similar to Trika of Kashmere, there was/is Buddhism in Kashmere, and Kashmir Saivism resembles Hindu Tantra and both use the Shri Yantra and Guru Dev was into Sri Vidya, too. So, what do we know for sure? Apparently, not much regarding the alleged Buddhist inspired Sri Vidya/TM traditions. Following your argument, there's no connection between Buddhism and the Sri Vidya traditions of Hinduism, except that there were/are Buddhists in Kashmir and everyone in all the different religious traditions in that area have cool symbols that they like to focus on. The Triratna symbol doesn't resemble the Sri Yantra in the slightest, and although the Sri Yantra is a mandala, not all mandalas are Sri Yantras or equivalent
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra, Arid Mars, Adi-Shankara and Wiki-Willy-Tex
Guess you never practice anymore. That would explain a lot. The reference was to YS 3.34 ( or YS 3.35 depending on the version) hridaye chitta samvit (on the heart - awareness of consciousness ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: EB, sounds like Chandogya Upanishad, 8.1: emptybill: Yep, and Vyasa's commentary on the heart sutra points this out. You're not even making any sense - the 'heart sutra' is a Mahayana Buddhist work, 'Vyasa' is a legendary author, and all the Upanishads came AFTER the historical Buddha. Go figure. Everyone knows that the Heart Sutra comes from Kushan Kashmere in the 1st century A.D. It should be obvious, even to a casual reader, that MMY got almost all his ideas about the perfection (siddhi) of transcendental (emptiness) wisdom (prajna) from Mahayana Buddhist sources, borrowed by Gaudapadacharya Shankaracharya and Patanjali from Tantric Yoga Buddhism. According to Kelsang Gyatso, the 'Heart Sutra' contains a mantra in the original Sanskrit, which explains in a very short, condensed form, the essence of the Shunyata Transcendentalism. 'Heart of Wisdom' by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso Tharpa Publications, 2001 page 125
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra, Arid Mars, Adi-Shankara and Wiki-Willy-Tex
appreciate your scholarship, Richard, but what is the actual connection that you premise your belief? *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: emptybill: ...even though no Buddhists use the Shri Yantra. ROTFLMAO!!! So, what do we know, fer sure? Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Utter Kashi. So, the formost desciple of SBS is the Karpatri Swami, Hariharaanada Saraswati. It is a fact that Karpatri was an adherent of the Sri Vidya, as attested by Alain Danielou, the famous Indologist, Karpatri's student. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Dani%C3%A9lou According to Swami Rama, Brahmanada Saraswati is said to have been one of those rare siddhas (accomplished ones) who had the knowledge of Sri Vidya. So, the Sri Vidya tradition is similar to the Trika of Kashmere. The Kashmiri Pandits still worship the triratna symbol. Buddhism in Kashmere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_kashmir Kashmir Shaivism resembles Hindu tantra, and both have as their key symbol the Shri Yantra. Kashmir Shaivism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Shaivism Work cited: 'Living With the Himalayan Masters' by Swami Rama Himalayan Institute page 247 Read more: 'Yoga: Mastering the Secrets of Matter and the Universe' by Alain Danielou Inner Traditions, 1991 emptybill: ...even though no Buddhists use the Shri Yantra. The Shri Yantra is based on the Buddhist stupa, which is a mandala. The mandala can be found in the form of the stupa and in the Atanatiya Sutta in the Digha Nikaya, part of the Pali Canon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala Adherents of the Sri Vidya got the Sri Yantra from the Tantrics in Kashmere, based on the Tibetan mandala. The TM bija mantras originated with the Eighty-four Mahasiddas of the 8th century Buddhist era - the Sri Vidya cult came much later following the Gupta age and the age of the sects - Shaivaism, Vaisnavism, Shaktism in the 12th century and after Chaitanya, 15th century. It is a fact that all the Shankaracharyas agree that the Saraswati Dasanamis worship the Sri Vidya. It is also a fact that the Sri Chakra, is ensconced on the mandir at both Dwarka, Kanchi, and the Sringeri Mathas. It is also a fact that all the Adwaita Sannyasins claim that Adi Shankara established four mathas as seats of learning and for the worship of Sri Vidya. According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Jyotirmath, Dwarka, Puri, Srigeri and Kanchi. It is also a fact that the cult of Sri Vidya was derived from the Nath Siddhas, Tantric Alchemists of Medieval India, 50% of whom were Vajrayana Buddhists. So, why do you think MMY called it the TM-Sidhi Programe? Sources: 'The Alchemical Body' by David Gordon White U. Chicago Press, 1996 'Tantra in Practice' ed. Donald S. Lopez, Jr. Princeton U. Press, 2000 'Auspicious Wisdom' by Douglas Renfrew Brooks SUNY Press 1992
[FairfieldLife] Shri Chakra, Arid Mars, Adi-Shankara and Wiki-Willy-Tex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: What? Willy is saying the bija mantras are derived from Buddhist soruces? Amazing! - haven't heard that one before. Yifu - You've apparently missed some of Willy revelations. In fairness to Willy's glory - Let's sum it up Bhagavad Shri Adi Shankara used his yogic siddhi-s to stop off at a crater on Mars while journeying to Karshmir. He installed 108 cystal lingams (spatika linga) in the center of 108 Shri Yantra-s and gave tantric mantras to the Martians (after all ... they weren't Brahmins) and then went on to Gandhara to thank Gautama Buddha for giving him that knowledge. The Martians all transcended, looked around and said We don't need this stinking, arid desert! We don't need these stinking arid bodies! Besides, it's hard to breath here anymore Then they all dissolved their bodies into akasha (o' yeah, he gave `em the flying siddhi too) and then they all went up to Brahmaloka to thanks Brahma for getting Shiva-Shankara to give them the Shri Vidya mantras. The Rover will probably be turned into a shrine when the Injuns get there - you know all those tantric mantras and stuff. Wiki Willy got these secrets himself from Shankara. After Shankara gave mantras to the Martians , Shankara travelled forward in time to a special loka called Teks-Ass where only the most enlightened cities reside. There met an enlightened city name wiki-tex-willi, who told him about all the great yoga he could learn from Gautama Shakyamuni Buddha, once he gave up all of hisfoolish Advaita stuff. Wiki-Willi-Tex then told Shankara the special mantra of Sarah's Swaty, that Tex himself had gotten in the future from Great Seer, Great Ruler Joki, aka MMY. Willy then told him ... Okay, let's sum it up Shank. Yuh gotta give 'em these sounds, so `member `em when you get back to the past. And that was how all the Injuns actually got all those secret mantras and how wiki-tex determined you don't need no stinking mantra 'cept Sarah Swaty's own. It real esoteric-like --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: What? Willy is saying the bija mantras are derived from Buddhist soruces? Amazing! - haven't heard that one before. ... http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/8/73310.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Willy - Once again offering nothing but erroneous conclusions based upon Hindu apocrypha. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: emptybill: ...even though no Buddhists use the Shri Yantra. The Shri Yantra is based on the Buddhist stupa, which is a mandala. The mandala can be found in the form of the stupa and in the Atanatiya Sutta in the Digha Nikaya, part of the Pali Canon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala Adherents of the Sri Vidya got the Sri Yantra from the Tantrics in Kashmere, based on the Tibetan mandala. The TM bija mantras originated with the Eighty-four Mahasiddas of the 8th century Buddhist era - the Sri Vidya cult came much later following the Gupta age and the age of the sects - Shaivaism, Vaisnavism, Shaktism in the 12th century and after Chaitanya, 15th century. It is a fact that all the Shankaracharyas agree that the Saraswati Dasanamis worship the Sri Vidya. It is also a fact that the Sri Chakra, is ensconced on the mandir at both Dwarka, Kanchi, and the Sringeri Mathas. It is also a fact that all the Adwaita Sannyasins claim that Adi Shankara established four mathas as seats of learning and for the worship of Sri Vidya. According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Jyotirmath, Dwarka, Puri, Srigeri and Kanchi. It is also a fact that the cult of Sri Vidya was derived from the Nath Siddhas, Tantric Alchemists of Medieval India, 50% of whom were Vajrayana Buddhists. So, why do you think MMY called it the TM-Sidhi Programe? Sources: 'The Alchemical Body' by David Gordon White U. Chicago Press, 1996 'Tantra in Practice' ed. Donald S. Lopez, Jr. Princeton U. Press, 2000 'Auspicious Wisdom' by Douglas Renfrew Brooks SUNY Press 1992
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi teaching of renunciates
This doesn't seem to make much sense. The primary quality of sattva-guna is prakasha, which signifies shining/radiance/clarity. It already has this value and doesn't need to be turned into something else. Jyoti is the term used to describe the self-radiance or self-luminosity of the seer (drishti) which illumines everything, like the sun, and therefore requires nothing else to illuminate it. No yoga or yoga-mantra can reveal the self/atman which is self-revealing by nature. It is the essence of the very one who seeks to apprehend its nature. This is the classical Vedanta of Shankara and is the reason he did not agree that yoga was an instrument for awakening (sambodhana). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: They are given mantra for the transformation of Satwa into Jyoti the pure light of consciousness, funny people who think they know better than Maharishi or imagine that he didn't know what he was doing. More imagined grandiosity. Plenty here.
[FairfieldLife] A reminder
A word to the wise - However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion. -- George Washington, Farewell Address, Sep. 17, 1796
[FairfieldLife] What Willy missed
Thousands of Buddhist Monks in Asia Learn Transcendental Meditation by Bob Roth http://www.tm.org/blog/author/bob-roth/ on October 31, 2011 [Buddhist-monks-group-picture2] More than 3,000 Buddhist monks in 100 monasteries throughout Southeast Asia have learned the Transcendental Meditation technique http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques?leadsource=CRM421 , as a result of the work by a revered Japanese Buddhist http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/japan/japanworkbook/religion/jbuddhis.htm\ l monk, Reverend Koji Oshima, who is a longtime TM practitioner and certified TM teacher. According to Rev. Oshima, the Buddhist monks appreciate the simplicity, effortlessness, and profound experience of transcendence, which is gained almost immediately after starting the TM practice. Rev. Oshima adds that transcendence provides the natural basis for the monk's subsequent prayers and practices. [Buddhist-monks-group-meditation] During Maharishi's http://www.tm.org/blog/category/maharishi/ many tours of Asian countries, he often visited monasteries and spoke personally to many Buddhist leaders. One prominent monk in Sri Lanka, who is now the leader, or Shan Kara, of one the three streams of Buddhism in Sri Lanka http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhistworld/lanka-txt.htm , has been instrumental in encouraging monks throughout the country to take TM instruction from Reverend Oshima. [Buddhist-Monks] Buddhist monks in Sri Lanka beginning their day with the practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique [Young-Buddhist-monks-meditating] Young students practicing the TM technique as part of their daily routine at a Buddhist monastery in Thailand Reverend Oshima said the younger monks are especially inspired by Maharishi's integration of modern and ancient knowledge. They were particularly interested in the Unified Field chart https://consciousnessbasededucation.org/uploads/file/pdf/Sample%20UF%20\ Chart%20Physics.pdf , illustrating how the Unified Field of Natural Law http://www.tm.org/blog/video/world-peace-from-the-quantum-level-david-l\ ynch-and-john-hagelin/ , as described by modern quantum physics, is experienced directly during TM practice as the field of transcendental consciousness, the field of Absolute Being. Reverend Oshima has been awarded an honorary doctoral degree by Maharishi University for the significant contributions he has made to society by promoting the experience of Nirvana http://library.thinkquest.org/28505/buddhism/nirva.htm the spiritual foundation for the achievement of the goals of Buddhism. Through Reverend Oshima's travels and teaching of the Transcendental Meditation technique http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques?leadsource=CRM421 he has helped enliven the knowledge and direct experience of Absolute Being in the lives of thousands of Buddhist monksan influence that helps heighten the peace, happiness and sustainable progress of these monasteries and the world around them. [Buddhist-monks-group-picture] Reverend Koji Oshima (center) with students who have learned the Transcendental Meditation technique at a monastery in Thailand
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Willy missed
TM teachers were not renunciates but rather brahmacharya-s. MMY could not give sannyasa because he was only a brahmacharya rather than a full monastic. Brahmacharya was a prolongation of the vedic student's way of living in the fourfold vedic ashrama-s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: He had teachers for renunciates. I knew Bill Rogers who was one of them. I had a nun in my SCI class who required a special teacher. On 10/17/2012 01:22 PM, wgm4u wrote: I thought TM was for *householders*, MMY doesn't have a technique for the monk! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Thousands of Buddhist Monks in Asia Learn Transcendental Meditation by Bob Roth http://www.tm.org/blog/author/bob-roth/ on October 31, 2011 [Buddhist-monks-group-picture2] More than 3,000 Buddhist monks in 100 monasteries throughout Southeast Asia have learned the Transcendental Meditation technique http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques?leadsource=CRM421 , as a result of the work by a revered Japanese Buddhist http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/japan/japanworkbook/religion/jbuddhis.htm\ \ l monk, Reverend Koji Oshima, who is a longtime TM practitioner and certified TM teacher. According to Rev. Oshima, the Buddhist monks appreciate the simplicity, effortlessness, and profound experience of transcendence, which is gained almost immediately after starting the TM practice. Rev. Oshima adds that transcendence provides the natural basis for the monk's subsequent prayers and practices. [Buddhist-monks-group-meditation] During Maharishi's http://www.tm.org/blog/category/maharishi/ many tours of Asian countries, he often visited monasteries and spoke personally to many Buddhist leaders. One prominent monk in Sri Lanka, who is now the leader, or Shan Kara, of one the three streams of Buddhism in Sri Lanka http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhistworld/lanka-txt.htm , has been instrumental in encouraging monks throughout the country to take TM instruction from Reverend Oshima. [Buddhist-Monks] Buddhist monks in Sri Lanka beginning their day with the practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique [Young-Buddhist-monks-meditating] Young students practicing the TM technique as part of their daily routine at a Buddhist monastery in Thailand Reverend Oshima said the younger monks are especially inspired by Maharishi's integration of modern and ancient knowledge. They were particularly interested in the Unified Field chart https://consciousnessbasededucation.org/uploads/file/pdf/Sample%20UF%20\ \ Chart%20Physics.pdf , illustrating how the Unified Field of Natural Law http://www.tm.org/blog/video/world-peace-from-the-quantum-level-david-l\ \ ynch-and-john-hagelin/ , as described by modern quantum physics, is experienced directly during TM practice as the field of transcendental consciousness, the field of Absolute Being. Reverend Oshima has been awarded an honorary doctoral degree by Maharishi University for the significant contributions he has made to society by promoting the experience of Nirvana http://library.thinkquest.org/28505/buddhism/nirva.htm the spiritual foundation for the achievement of the goals of Buddhism. Through Reverend Oshima's travels and teaching of the Transcendental Meditation technique http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques?leadsource=CRM421 he has helped enliven the knowledge and direct experience of Absolute Being in the lives of thousands of Buddhist monksan influence that helps heighten the peace, happiness and sustainable progress of these monasteries and the world around them. [Buddhist-monks-group-picture] Reverend Koji Oshima (center) with students who have learned the Transcendental Meditation technique at a monastery in Thailand
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra found on Mars
Swami Rama described SBS's practice of Shri Chakra but the quote and the book were basically about those teachings that Swami Rama himself gave out. I'm not cynical at all I just found out from Willy that SBS used Shri Yantra and therefore that is all we need to use because it has Sarah's Swaty mantra in the center. Willy says that it's all from the Buddha anyway - even though no Buddhists use the Shri Yantra. This is apparently the whole substance of Willy's knowledge and life so he keeps repeating it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: The other 15 TM mantras are Martian mantras and don't really count. Wik-Willi found out from Shankara (when he came forward in time with his siddhi-s) that only Sarah's swatty mantra was the one to use. That why he keeps repeating himself about Sarah's swati. Guess that is what mantra japa must mean to Willi bein' Shankara's personal disciple and all. For someone who seems to know his stuff you sure are cynical emptybill. What's the deal?, did you lose 3 grand on the Siddhis and are now bitter? Or, like Maharishi, the whole world never beat a path to his door so he died bitter? and of course damn democracy and the 'Britishers' for destroying the Vedic culture of India (doubtful if that actually even happened).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra found on Mars
The other 15 TM mantras are Martian mantras and don't really count. Wik-Willi found out from Shankara (when he came forward in time with his siddhi-s) that only Sarah's swatty mantra was the one to use. That why he keeps repeating himself about Sarah's swati. Guess that is what mantra japa must mean to Willi bein' Shankara's personal disciple and all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Everyone knows the real Sri Chakra is up in Oregon, Billy. Alex Stanley: Not true. It's actually right here in FF: http://goo.gl/maps/upVBQ So, why do you suppose that Bill Witherspoon decided to create a Sri Yantra up in Oregon? Because Bill knew about the connection between SBS and Sri Vidya? The Sri Yantra is the symbol of Sri Vidya. And, why do you suppose MMY made the Golden Dome based on the Sri Yantra diagram? And, why do you suppose MMY was giving out the Saraswati bija mantra to meditate on? So many questions, Alex - so few answers! Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra found on Mars
Yep, Wiki Willy has finally been proven correct. Bhagavad Shri Adi Shankara used his yogic siddhi-s to stop off at a crater on Mars while journeying to Karshmir. Yep, he installed 108 cystal lingams (spatika linga) in the center of 108 Shri Yantra-s and gave tantric mantras to the Martians (after all ... they weren't Brahmins) and then got on to Gandhara to thank Gautama Buddha for giving him the knowledge. The Martians all transcended, looked around and said We don't need this stinking, arid desert! We don't need these stinking arid bodies! Besides, it's hard to breath here anymore Then they all dissolved their bodies into akasha (o yeah, he gave `em the flying siddhi too to help out) and then they all went up to Brahmaloka to thanks Brahma for getting Shiva-Shankara to give them the Shri Vidya mantras. The Rover will probably be turned into a shrine when the Injuns get there - you know all those tantric mantras and stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Nasa's Curiosity rover finds 'unusual rock' The pyramidal object had a composition not seen on the planet before. Finally willytex can rest in peace!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Response
Since yer a siddha of i-net slang ... TINC. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Buck: ...I am always impressed with your masterful search skills. Thanks for these links below. These kind of links are archival. There's a very large rabbit-warren of information about TMers and ex-TMers informants over on Usenet, at alt.m.t. - Barry, Bharatu, Judy, Billy, Alex, Card, Lawson, Vaj, and John M. all used to be over there. John M. is very busy these days posting anti-Romney propaganda to alt.religion.mormon. LoL! alt.meditation.transcendental http://tinyurl.com/9ev43tr Although, there aren't that many siddha-yogis posting at a.m.t. right now. Most of the previous informants seem to be posting here, or have dropped out of posting, or dead by now. http://www.rwilliams.us/archives.htm I notice that someone is going through the FFL archive and taking down key posts. Evidently someone in the movement's legal department is detailed to doing that. Probably 'mjackson' - he seems really interested in the comings-and-goings of the TMO and Fairfield residents, 'Buck' is also an obvious candidate for informant. LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra found on Mars
Yep, let's sum it up. Wiki Willy got these secrets himself from Shankara. After Shankara gave mantras to the Martians Shankara travelled forward in time to a special loka called Teks-ass where only the most enlightened cities reside. There met an enlightened city name wiki-tex-willi, who told him about all the great yoga he could learn from Gautama Buddha, once he gave up all that foolish Advaita stuff. Wiki-Willi-Tex then gave him the special mantra of Sarah Swatee, that Tex had gotten in the future from Great Seer Great Ruler Joki. Willy then told him ... Let's sum it up S. Yuh gotta give 'em these sounds, so remember them when you get back. And that was that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: emptybill: Yep, Wiki Willy has finally been proven correct. So, let's sum up what we know: The TM bija mantras came from Guru Dev, who was a member of the Dasanami Order of the Saraswati Dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankaracharya. Guru Dev's teacher was Swami Krishnanada Saraswati of Uttar Kashi. Do we agree so far? The Dandi sannyasins of the Saraswati Order in the Shankaracharya tradition are termed Jnana Yogis, and thay all worship the Goddess of Knowledge and Learning, Sri Saraswati. She is enthroned at the Sringeri Matha in Karnataka, South India, the main headquarters of the Saraswati sannyasins. In addition to twice daily meditation on the bija mantra of Saraswati, the Dasnamis of the Saraswati Order perform the Saraswati Puja on the 5th day of Magha month, known as Basant Panchami. So much for the facts. At Sringeri, Shankaracharya placed the image of Saraswati, which he had brought from Kashmere. All of the Saraswati dasanamis are adherents of the Sri Vidya and they follow the teachings contained in the Saunadryalahari, which was composed by the Adi Shankara, containing the fifteen bija mantras. According to the Shankara Saraswati tradition, Saraswati is considered to be the feminine energy, or Adi Shakti of Brahman. Devi Saraswati: http://tinyurl.com/yaxuhk4 Sri Yantra: http://tinyurl.com/yc9mmjt
[FairfieldLife] Re: Romney is a Liar
Mike You're taking Ravioli too seriously. This guy is lower than a Dalit. He is actually reborn brahma-rakshasa. However, if you just Wiki that term you'll only get a watered-down, Westernized version one that misses the real nuances of the term. A brahma-rakshasa is a mentally cruel and vicious former brahmana that inhabits the antaraksha (inter-space). They are not considered ordinary rakshasa because they are former brahmana-s that misused their brahmana knowledge to deceive, harm or destroy people (especially the devotees of Bhava/Bhavani). They originally did this out of a jealous desire to prove their superior power to Deva/Devi and to demonstrate that the Deva/Devi is nothing but a projection of human weakness. Because they still remember (in the antaraksha) how to misuse mantra-s from their former, vicious lifetime, they are considered still threatening to people who are not yet possessed of firm intellect and intention. However, they can only retain this artificially maintained karmic abeyance for a relatively short period. After that intermediate state, they are reborn - often as a fallen brahmana. That means they usually receive the standard baseline brahmana training in their youth. They also still possess some semblance of intellect and can keep a job that involves mental work but since they are bereft of insight, they often end up just drinking martinis at the local club and cursing others for their emptiness. If they are fortunate then rather than just being evil schizoids, they get a forgiving glance from Devi who then begins slowly hauling them over toward the other shore. I take Ravioli to be this kind of recovering brahma-rakshasa - verbally abusive, passive/aggressive and emotionally unbalanced (ie. bragging about having sex with devi). Perhaps he is better than he was when he first got kicked off of FFL (he started claiming that MMY had anal sex with SBS) but he is still appears to be dominated by uninhibited, adolescent emotions. So don't take him too seriously. He's a psycho-naut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: As I have said earlier, I'm not familiar with Ravi since I've read so few of his posts. However, I am befuddled at his frequent use of the terms *retard* and *retarded*. Words that I put in the category of the *N* word. Describing me in that way, obviously was intended to offend or humilate me but I put it in context with the rest of his posts, rotten tooth, Appalachian trailer trash, etc. and told me how much *help* I needed. Could this guy be in *False* Unity? Was he seeing himself in how he described me? I can't help but wonder if this comes from life time after life time of feelings of superiority, possibly from the traditional way Dalits(untouchables) have been treated. A very curious fellow but hardly worth wasting my time on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Good News
Wiki Willy You'd be better off just posting this once a day as your answer to everything - your declaration that you like repeating yourself so much that you are the Texas incarnation of Mr. Japa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: wgm4u: Basically TM IS mantra japa, (with the proper instructions), japa just means repetition, MMY revealed its effortless significance. According to Swami Rama of the Himalayas, Guru Dev was a proponent of the Sri Vidya, and that Guru Dev used to worship a ruby-encrusted Sri Chakra. So, let's sum up what we know: Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (SBS) was from the tradition of the Saraswati Order of the Shankaracharya Sampradaya. His teacher was Swami Krishnanand Saraswati (SKS) of Uttar Kashi, a siddha yogi and meditation master. The headquarters of the Saraswati sannyasins is the Sringeri Matha founded by the Adi Shankaracharya, whose teacher was Swami Govindapada, whose teacher was Gaudapadacharya. SBS recieved the bija mantra of Saraswati from his teacher, SKS, just like all the Saraswati initiates in that tradition. SBS taught many diciples how to meditate on the Saraswati bija mantra. The TM bija mantra of Saraswati is the same bija used by all the Saraswati sanyasins. The Saraswati bija mantra is enumerated in the 'Saundaryalahari' composed by the Adi. The Mahesh Yogi, (MMY), a close desciple of SBS, taught yoga meditation using the Saraswati bija mantra. It has now been established that SBS was a worshiper of Tripurasundari, The Divine Mother of the Three Cities, from 'Tripura' which means three, and 'pura' which means a city. Tripura is thus the Sri Vidya, that is the 'Auspicious Knowledge' of transcendental pure consciousness that operates in the 'three cities' of waking (A of OM Mantra), Dreaming (U of OM Mantra), and Deep Sleep (M of OM Mantra), as enumerated in Gaudapada's Mandukhya Karika. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada Many valid techniques exist, so there is really no difference between one type of authentic meditation and another, as long as they have the goal of helping you attain inner stillness and focus. (Page 6) In meditation, you do not make any attempt to give the mind a direct suggestion or to control the mind. You simply observe the mind and let it become quiet and calm, allowing your mantra to lead you deeper within, exploring and experiencing the deeper levels of your being. (Page 10) Works cited: 'Living With the Himalayan Masters' By Swami Rama Himalayan Institute Press, 2007 'OM Mantra and 7 Levels of Consciousness' by Swami Jnaneshvara Bharati http://www.swamij.com/om.htm Read more: 'Om the Eternal Witness' Secrets of the Mandukya Upanishad by Swami Rama Lotus Press, 2007 'Meditation and Its Practice' by Swami Rama Himalayan Institute Press, 1992
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Know Reality's Point of View
Elf Baiter, FYI - The Arabic word al-lah actually is a title that means the Deity. It is only one of the 99 traditional names of The Deity. The declarative testimony lÄ Ê¾ilÄha ʾillà l-LÄh is the affirmation of the unicity of The Deity, who has no two-ness (Zoroastrian dualists) or three-ness (Christian trinitarians). Your season premier is entitled The Rainbow Bridge. It is the narrow passageway balancing a right view and the hell fire of the final incandescence. The final incandescence is the unmitigated presence of The Deity and the denier's consequent annihilation while directly seeing the Face/Identity of The Deity in the midst of their own obstinate denial. Robin is the classic denier, both unsubmitted and unsubmitting. In essence, it is someone who doubts anything other than themselves. To affirm the uniqueness of The Deity means that we simultaneously realize our contingent insubstantiality and our true non-being i.e. our relative absence from Reality, except for the gift of being - which is only received through pure grace. But of course none of this should concern you. It is, as Jason points out, just more metaphysically theistic poly-bullock-itry. Fer sure Elf Baiter sez - Who the hell is The Deity? If I haven't heard of him/her then they probably aren't worth knowing. Maybe it's a rock band, a new TV show, a song? Geez Bill, how could I have missed the season premier? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: There is no deity but The Deity. Muhammad is his Messenger. Jesus was the glorious prophet of The Deity. The Deity has no mother, no wife, no son. Robin is a idolater and polytheist because there are not two deities nor three deities. Robin has heard this but turns his face away from The Face of The Deity. Robin has time only until his last breath, perhaps his next breath, to take refuge in The Deity or be consigned to the Fire. Or if The Deity wills, Robin shall enter the flames quite soon to show the fate of those who refuse the Mercy of the All-Knowing. Who the hell is The Deity? If I haven't heard of him/her then they probably aren't worth knowing. Maybe it's a rock band, a new TV show, a song? Geez Bill, how could I have missed the season premier? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I disagree with your interpretation of his point I did not interpret Robin's point. I quoted his point directly from his post. but we can let Robin decide if he cares to. He doesn't have to decide anything, Curtis, he's already made the point. That's what I quoted, you see. Although he objects to my characterization of likeability to describe the personality qualities he uses to determine how aligned someone is to the POV of reality he clearly does list the traits for both sides. Well, I'm not going to quote Robin's refutation of this notion again; I'll simply ask readers to scroll down to the quote, which begins WTF... Then readers can ask themselves why Curtis is reiterating his interpretation of what Robin has said after Robin has told him it's wrong. I mean, how many ways are there to interpret likeableness does not come in here and It is not a question of likeableness, Curtis? Robin doesn't mention personality traits. He's talking about how a person feels *in the moment* when they have an experience of accord, or lack of accord, with reality. This is entirely independent of their likeability or lack thereof as a person. He has applied this criteria many times in our exchanges. BTW, criteria is plural. The singular is criterion. It is part of the personal attack style that you are also a big fan of. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I would love for anyone to rephrase Robin's thoery to show that they understood it better than I have. Perhaps someone can offer answers to my objections that don't include an assumption about my personal motivation and flaws, but actually sticks to the points themselves. For the most part, the answers to your objections are simply that your objections are irrelevant. It isn't crystal clear whether they're irrelevant because you genuinely haven't understood Robin's theory, or because you were attempting to mislead and confuse about
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Know Reality's Point of View
Ravioli That's funny ... she doesn't even mention you. Maybe yer just her boy toy, always bragging how you yer doing Her. I'll ask Shri Devi Palden Lhamo if she has heard of you. Obviously yer a very important person. She must have heard of yer preemptive eminence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Empty, shut the fuck up OK? Stop irritating me. How's your Sadhana these days? Devi had been complaining to me about you a lot these days. She's not happy Empty, not happy at all. Empty, I'm telling you I'm going to whip your sorry ass if you make my beloved unhappy. Love, Dad. On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:22 AM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Elf Baiter, FYI - The Arabic word al-lah actually is a title that means the Deity. It is only one of the 99 traditional names of The Deity. The declarative testimony làþilÃÂha þillà l-LÃÂh is the affirmation of the unicity of The Deity, who has no two-ness (Zoroastrian dualists) or three-ness (Christian trinitarians). Your season premier is entitled The Rainbow Bridge. It is the narrow passageway balancing a right view and the hell fire of the final incandescence. The final incandescence is the unmitigated presence of The Deity and the denier's consequent annihilation while directly seeing the Face/Identity of The Deity in the midst of their own obstinate denial. Robin is the classic denier, both unsubmitted and unsubmitting. In essence, it is someone who doubts anything other than themselves. To affirm the uniqueness of The Deity means that we simultaneously realize our contingent insubstantiality and our true non-being ⦠i.e. our relative absence from Reality, except for the gift of being - which is only received through pure grace. But of course none of this should concern you. It is, as Jason points out, just more metaphysically theistic poly-bullock-itry. Fer sure ⦠Elf Baiter sez - Who the hell is The Deity? If I haven't heard of him/her then they probably aren't worth knowing. Maybe it's a rock band, a new TV show, a song? Geez Bill, how could I have missed the season premier?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Good News
More cross-eyed yoga. Mantra japa is for those who can't do anything else. Fortunately, TM has nothing to do with mantra-japa. Write your own book on TM. You can call it Yogananda's TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: Mantra Japa leads to bliss consciousness! Been there, (not lately, too many sleeping elephants) but enough to know TM works. The holy mantras of the Rishis lead to bliss, as MMY used to say, All roads lead to Rome, or bliss consciousness. Even Swami Yogananda extolled the virtues of mantra japa (ie. TM) though he thought Patanjali's *ALL* 8 limbs were superior (including concentration or Dharana); thanks to MMY however for enlightening we ignorant Westerners as to the very nature of consciousness as the foundation of relative creation, Jai MMY. Peace! PS According to Swami Yogananda it may just *take longer*, so be it. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Know Reality's Point of View
There is no deity but The Deity. Muhammad is his Messenger. Jesus was the glorious prophet of The Deity. The Deity has no mother, no wife, no son. Robin is a idolater and polytheist because there are not two deities nor three deities. Robin has heard this but turns his face away from The Face of The Deity. Robin has time only until his last breath, perhaps his next breath, to take refuge in The Deity or be consigned to the Fire. Or if The Deity wills, Robin shall enter the flames quite soon to show the fate of those who refuse the Mercy of the All-Knowing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I disagree with your interpretation of his point I did not interpret Robin's point. I quoted his point directly from his post. but we can let Robin decide if he cares to. He doesn't have to decide anything, Curtis, he's already made the point. That's what I quoted, you see. Although he objects to my characterization of likeability to describe the personality qualities he uses to determine how aligned someone is to the POV of reality he clearly does list the traits for both sides. Well, I'm not going to quote Robin's refutation of this notion again; I'll simply ask readers to scroll down to the quote, which begins WTF... Then readers can ask themselves why Curtis is reiterating his interpretation of what Robin has said after Robin has told him it's wrong. I mean, how many ways are there to interpret likeableness does not come in here and It is not a question of likeableness, Curtis? Robin doesn't mention personality traits. He's talking about how a person feels *in the moment* when they have an experience of accord, or lack of accord, with reality. This is entirely independent of their likeability or lack thereof as a person. He has applied this criteria many times in our exchanges. BTW, criteria is plural. The singular is criterion. It is part of the personal attack style that you are also a big fan of. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I would love for anyone to rephrase Robin's thoery to show that they understood it better than I have. Perhaps someone can offer answers to my objections that don't include an assumption about my personal motivation and flaws, but actually sticks to the points themselves. For the most part, the answers to your objections are simply that your objections are irrelevant. It isn't crystal clear whether they're irrelevant because you genuinely haven't understood Robin's theory, or because you were attempting to mislead and confuse about a potentially extremely useful approach to getting to the truth of a matter. Probably needless to say, I strongly suspect the latter, given how disastrous it would be for you for folks to have a reliable means to discern the truth. M: Right, I am against truth and kittens. Don't know about kittens, but truth has never been your friend as long as I've known you. Robin illustrates (hyperbolically) the nature of the irrelevance of Curtis's objections: Robin: Is that our bus coming now, Curtis? Curtis: I did so kill that mosquito, Robin. STFU. Ad hominem. It's not all that hyperbolic, actually. At one point in their dialogue, Curtis went off on a long disquisition about how personal likeability is not necessarily an indication of trustworthiness, as if this were something Robin had proposed. It wasn't. It had nothing whatsoever to do with anything Robin had said. Jaw-droppingly irrelevant. M: And your attempt at bullshittery is equally jaw dropping Well, let's see whether I was bullshitting. Robin making the point Judy missed: No, Curtis, I didn't miss it, any more than I missed your objection to what you go on to quote, or Robin's response to your objection (which you do not, of course, quote), pointing out that likeability has nothing to do with anything he's proposing: WTF does 'likeability' have to do with truth--except that it is a better and more real and more satisfying experience when one's first person ontology becomes more responsive and affected by the POV of reality? Objectification of one's first person subjective perspective is always available, Curtis--to everyone This [my theory] only has to do with the objectification of subjectivity, Curtis: likeableness does not come in here. It may somewhere be a natural byproduct of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Talked to Buddha -he said Willy was just a name inposed uipon a ghost
Jack Don't take him seriously. Willy is just a corpse-guarding ghost, like the shriek of a strong wind on a cold day. Corpse-guarding ghost is the title given in Chan Buddhist circles for the unfindable 'I' - you know, the one that seems to exist while a thought is present but can't be traced once thoughts cease. Willy claims everything is Buddhist because he feels that way he can one up the Hindoo-s and thus make himself look superior. Trouble is he uses old, half-baked sources `cause he doesn't know better. The foundation of Vastu in Indian architecture is detailed in English in Symbolism of the Stupa by Adrian Snodgrass which clearly established the roots of the stupa in the Vedic fire altar and the internalization of that sacrifice (antar-yagya) as found in the Upanishads and then ported over to Buddhist yoga and architecture. You can purchase the book on Amazon or view parts of the text with a Google search. And yep me too. I talked to Buddha and he said that Willy was just a label conveniently applied to a mere assembly of flesh, blood and pus sitting around punching keys on a keyboard. Nothin' but wind whistling around the corner. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: mjackson74: ...you mean that unless I believe and speak to things that can be historically proven, then no assertions of mine will be believed? No, I mean telling fibs about talking to dead people like the Buddha is all we need to know in order to cast doubt on any assertions you make about anything, historical or otherwise. Now back to Judy, Robin, Curtis, and Barry. LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: GBh: Patanjali's reincarnation??
Thanks for the demonstration of sheer ignorance by the yogis. That is why Gaudapada condemns their quest for laya. For them everything is about actualizing the state of samàdhi. However for classical vedantin-s samàdhi is a path value that is only valued for its ability to generate clarity of consciousness (chitta). After that is is a path of bondage. Classical Vedanta is founded upon the insight of the Upanishads not the meditative absorptions (laya) of yogi-s. This is why the so called yogic vedanta of Vidyaranya and folk is a path of defeat by samsara. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister cardemaister@... wrote: Shankaracharya's guru had told Shankaracharya that Patanjali was reincarnated as Govinda Bhagavatpada and was meditating in a cave somewhere in the state of samadhi.[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patanjali
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life is so much fun - Part 2
Share, don't be fooled by Wiki-Willy. Willy is quite the name dropping amateur but he didn't bother to tell you that the real identity of Swami Agehananda Bharati was actually the Viennese academic - Leopold Fischer. Fischer was a polyglot and teacher, a Professor of Anthropology at Syracuse University. He was a Sanskritist but in India that only gets you halfway. Consequently, when he wanted to do fieldwork in India he needed better Indian credentials. Therefore, he went to India and got initiated into one of Shankara's dashanami monastic orders - that is why he had this swami name. What Willy isn't telling you (because he doesn't know) is that in India, no one with real knowledge will talk with you about the important stuff unless you are a sannyasin. They just don't think you can be serious and focused enough to listen, comprehend and absorb it properly. Leopold-Agehananda was particularly interested in buddhist and hindu tantic traditions, so he researched and wrote about them. In his works he was just as willing as any other academic to speculate about historical origins and he did so in the common fashion. Although technically a swami, he didn't like orthodox Hindu traditions much. He loved to call Ramana Maharshi a crashing bore - to the vast delight of tantric buddhist Chogyam Trungpa and his 1970's hipster sycophants. Willy's conclusions that bija-mantras originated from the Buddhist Vijñanvada lineages is nothing but erroneous tripe. I don't know any scholar who would hold such a silly view. This is why Willy is often called Wiki-Willy by those who actually know this stuff but get tired of his back-pocket ego polishing. Many of his conclusions are downright amateurish because he reads this stuff and then launches his repetitive rants. Apparently, he thinks it gives him stature and thus lets him attempt to lord it over the less informed about a given topic. This is the shared evaluation by Bharitu, Vaj and me - who all have experiential knowledge about these topics. We may argue about other things but we all concur about Willy. So don't be fooled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Richard, great info. Letting it percolate on back burners of share brain. Off to Dome... From: Richard J. Williams richard@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life is so much fun - Part 2  Share Long: I guess it's all about mantras LOL LoL!!! 'Bija' mantras have no semantic meaning; 'mantras' are words used in the Vedic rituals. You can do japa with bijas, but you'd need to know Sanskrit in order to chant the mantras in the Vedas. According to Brooks, the bijas are superior, just like yoga is superior to ritual acts. Why do you think the cow is now sacred in India? According to Swami Ageananda Bharati, it is clear that the Buddhist tantras preceeded the Hindu tantras, and hence, yogic practices are tantric in nature, e.g. the non-Vedic practices such as yoga, mudra, dhyana, mantra, yantra, dharani, puja, pradakshina; and monasticism, ahimsa, instruction by sutra, relic worship, edifice architecture, etc., etc. Yogic practices and thus yogins, and yogic practice, is firmly rooted in the teachings of Shakya and the Sramanas such as Natatputra. Read more: 'Mantra Yoga' http://tinyurl.com/c87rs5z The srividya, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables (bijaksara) rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as semantic meaning. Accordingly, a bija-only mantra is not merely esoteric but inherently superior. Because it is purely seed-syllables [bijasaras] is the purest form of mantra. It does not make a request or praise god, it is God's purest expression. Gayatri is great but it cannot match srividya because it is still in language; it is Veda and mantra but when transformed into the srividya its greatness increases (95). Work cited: Auspicious Wisdon The texts and traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantrism in South India. by Douglas Renfrew Brooks SUNY, 1992
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life is so much fun - Part 2
Yep Ravioli, I wander around the streets searching for a vinosk (Victim In Need of Sudden Knowledge). When I find one, I slam the top of their head with this: Rig Veda : A Metrically Restored Text With an Introduction and Notes (Harvard Oriental, Vol 5) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674769716 Just as it hits them, I hurl forth the most esoteric karma- mantra of all time: pow! Then I stroll away, laughing and shouting into the air koo-chi-koo, you corpse-guarding ghost! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Yes indeed MJ, but ignore emptybill, he is just a vagabond roaming around streets accosting and hitting people with his torn, worn books. Not someone you need to pay too much attention to. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...wrote: ** Man, Fairfield life is mighty interesting! Thank you for posting this, its good to know. -- *From:* emptybill emptybill@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 2:19 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life is so much fun - Part 2 Share, don't be fooled by Wiki-Willy. Willy is quite the name dropping amateur but he didn't bother to tell you that the real identity of Swami Agehananda Bharati was actually the Viennese academic - Leopold Fischer. Fischer was a polyglot and teacher, a Professor of Anthropology at Syracuse University. He was a Sanskritist but in India that only gets you halfway. Consequently, when he wanted to do fieldwork in India he needed better Indian credentials. Therefore, he went to India and got initiated into one of Shankara's dashanami monastic orders - that is why he had this swami name. What Willy isn't telling you (because he doesn't know) is that in India, no one with real knowledge will talk with you about the important stuff unless you are a sannyasin. They just don't think you can be serious and focused enough to listen, comprehend and absorb it properly. Leopold-Agehananda was particularly interested in buddhist and hindu tantic traditions, so he researched and wrote about them. In his works he was just as willing as any other academic to speculate about historical origins and he did so in the common fashion. Although technically a swami, he didn't like orthodox Hindu traditions much. He loved to call Ramana Maharshi a crashing bore - to the vast delight of tantric buddhist Chogyam Trungpa and his 1970's hipster sycophants. Willy's conclusions that bija-mantras originated from the Buddhist Vijñanvada lineages is nothing but erroneous tripe. I don't know any scholar who would hold such a silly view. This is why Willy is often called Wiki-Willy by those who actually know this stuff but get tired of his back-pocket ego polishing. Many of his conclusions are downright amateurish because he reads this stuff and then launches his repetitive rants. Apparently, he thinks it gives him stature and thus lets him attempt to lord it over the less informed about a given topic. This is the shared evaluation by Bharitu, Vaj and me - who all have experiential knowledge about these topics. We may argue about other things but we all concur about Willy. So don't be fooled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Thanks, Richard, great info.à Letting it percolate on back burners of share brain.à Off to Dome... From: Richard J. Williams richard@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life is so much fun - Part 2 à Share Long: I guess it's all about mantras LOL LoL!!! 'Bija' mantras have no semantic meaning; 'mantras' are words used in the Vedic rituals. You can do japa with bijas, but you'd need to know Sanskrit in order to chant the mantras in the Vedas. According to Brooks, the bijas are superior, just like yoga is superior to ritual acts. Why do you think the cow is now sacred in India? According to Swami Ageananda Bharati, it is clear that the Buddhist tantras preceeded the Hindu tantras, and hence, yogic practices are tantric in nature, e.g. the non-Vedic practices such as yoga, mudra, dhyana, mantra, yantra, dharani, puja, pradakshina; and monasticism, ahimsa, instruction by sutra, relic worship, edifice architecture, etc., etc. Yogic practices and thus yogins, and yogic practice, is firmly rooted in the teachings of Shakya and the Sramanas such as Natatputra. Read more: 'Mantra Yoga' http://tinyurl.com/c87rs5z The srividya, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables (bijaksara) rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as semantic meaning. Accordingly, a bija-only mantra
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Alternative
None of these comments address the disparity between the traditional practice of Maitri Bhavana (the contemplative cultivation of loving kindness) versus the three little impulses used in tm-sanyama practice. Having to follow strict institutional rules is no excuse for the absence of compassion. For example, Buddhist monks must strictly observe 253 rules, Buddhist female monastics must observe 348 rules. However, these monastics are not thereby allowed to be assholes to people. Administrative duties in Buddhist monasteries require many skill sets and yet maitri-bhavana is still enjoined as one of the most fundamental practices for everyone. Not that everyone in a monastery does them because most of their time is spent performing chants for the benefit of the lay people. That is how the monasteries earn donations. However, the administrators are answerable to the whole assembly of monastics for their behavior. A total of nine little impulses doesn't seem to do much for practitioners supposed evolution. In actual results, this practice seems unconnected to these administrator's personal consciousness, whether surface or deep, no matter how long or how much they have performed sanyama. This disconnect basically stands alone as an example of something is missing. That is why I included the example of the guided contemplation. It is one example of what seems missing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: People wonder why administrators who practice the tm-sidhi program for 40 years are so unkind and uncaring. Look no farther than the how the first three sutra-s are practiced - three reps of three ideas ... that is all. That job. I have friends who have experience working in the movement's course office over the years. Hopefully the guidelines facilitate what is going on. When the guidelines are less than fair to people there can be a lot of deep (spiritual) hurt in enforcing them where it wrecks people's lives as it can. At times this has been real bad. The course office position holds a lot of power over people. There is a lot of communal hurt around that and the people working there end up a conduit for that communal hurt and consequent anger. If someone doesn't have a thick skin before coming in to the job they get one or get out. It's an soul corrupting job if ever there was one like being a Ring-bearer in Lord of the Rings. Hopefully the guidelines help facilitate what we are doing and not get in the way of it. The guidelines evidently have caused a lot of trouble that way. There's a reality to that. -Buck Although engaged with during tm-sanyama, the three sutra-s are initial ideas. Their possible results? According to MMY some feelings of warmth. But why should only three repetitions of such introductory feelings produce a significant, lasting change in someone? MMY used to analogize every method other than tm/tm-sidhi as just another cart and bullock practice. As a counter-point, here is a condensed and succinct example of the main method used in the traditions of Patanjali Yogasutra-s and Gautama Buddha's eight-fold path. Once you get a feel for it, you will understand why these Abodes of Brahma (Brahma Viharas) are considered essential for actualizing and realizing awakened liberation. . The Four Brahma Viharas A guided meditation by Ven. Ayya Khema Think of the four brahma viharas, the four supreme emotions, loving-kindness, compassion, sympathetic joy (joy with others), and equanimity. And see them, as the Buddha explained them, as the only emotions worth having. Nothing else has any real place in our hearts. And think your heart as yearning to be filled with love and compassion, with joy with others, and equanimity. See your heart as yearning for that and then fill it with those emotions. The warmth of love. The care of compassion. The generosity of joy with others. And the peacefulness of equanimity. Fill your heart to the brim. And now spread the love and compassion, and the joy with others, and the equanimity through this room. So that there is the warmth and the care, the generosity and the peacefulness of it all through this room, so that everyone can partake of it. And now let these four emotions, with their warmth and their caring, their generosity and their peacefulness emanate from your heart and reach out to the people who are close to you, so that they can have part of it, without expecting that you can get the same back. Now let all your friends partake of the beautiful emanation from your heart. Loving and compassionate. Caring and peaceful. Now reach out to other people you know. Neighbors. People you might work with. Those you meet in everyday life. Let the heart full of loving-kindness and compassion reach out to all these people that you can
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life is so much fun - Part 2
Careful Jackson, pearls before swine. This is a tough rough crowd here. Rick has visions of this place being a salon but it plays more like a saloon. Kindly, Buck in the Dome WTF? ... Like a Saloon? This place is a saloon and you've been seen and heard chatting with the riftraft who drink tiger piss in these parts. You condemn yourself by hanging with these bad associates. Nirvartatvam!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life is so much fun - Part 2
Look Jackson, your gonna cause his head to explode. Here's an example of a former post that deals with this point but that Willy can't make sense of in any way. He can't let it go 'cause he can't understand. From Baba Hari Dass (the upa-guru of Ram Dass) On the difference between Mantra practice and Japa practice. 1. Mantra is the repetition of sounds or words which have power due to the vibration of the sound itself. 2. Japa is the rhythmic repetition of a name of God. It (Japa) consists of automatic Pranayama, concentration and meditation. The main idea in doing Japa is to make the mind thoughtless. Then automatically body consciousness disappears. If your body consciousness disappears, it means your sadhana is going well. The body is the medium of sadhana and the body is the hindrance in sadhana. Japa is a formal method of worshipping God. It should be done privately and preferably with a mala, or rosary. Silence Speaks: from the chalkboard of Baba Hari Dass, 1977 (my bolding). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote: Look Richard, let me be very plain here - I do not give a damn where the mantras came from nor do I know why you obsess over their origins so much. Were I to be coming to TM now with no prior knowledge of the practice, I might be interested. In 1974 it never occurred to me to ask - I accepted the statement that Virginia Bedford and Jamie Vollmer (the two TM Center people) made that the mantras were meaningless sounds. John Briganti, the first teacher I took a residence course with told us the same thing. Believed it too. And since the mantra still works after 38 years, I see no need to ask where it came from. My remarks about my other two mantras received from the Movement were facetious references to my two advanced techniques. The other two bija mantras came as I said, one from Bob Fickes, former TM teacher who I believe was on TTC with Rick (sorry if I got that wrong Rick.) Bob now has his own thing he calls Fulfillment Meditation. Totally different set of mantras although interestingly he still does puja, but he puts pics of not only Guru Dev on the puja table but pics of Kwan Yin, Archangel Michael and so on. The last bija mantra I got is a Deepak Chopra mantra. Chopra instructors do not use TM puja. Their meditation program was mainly put together by Deepak and Roger Gabriel, an old TM teacher who I believe left the TM Movement the same time Chopra did and went with him to California when Chopra set up the Chopra Center. The Chopra instructors use a sanskrit chant, the shanti mantra Gabriel called it, which shanti mantra chant I do not know. So yes, when I use the Babaji mantra (what Bob calls his mantras) I am not doing TM. When I use the Chopra mantra, I am not doing TM. ' When I use my three TM mantras (spoken facetiously for the Fairfield Life's version of Sheldon Cooper's benefit), meaning my TM mantra plus advanced techniques, I am doing TM. If that don't satisfy you Sheldon, I dunno whut. Nice pic of Michael Jackson - that obviously is not me or these posts would be coming from beyond the grave. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: Careful Jackson, pearls before swine. This is a tough rough crowd here. Rick has visions of this place being a salon but it plays more like a saloon... nablusoss1008: With all due respect Buck, why not let the posters speak freely? http://www.vanityfair.com/ Apparently Mr. Jackson doesn't want to talk about the elephant in the room - the bijas mantra you get when you start TM. Jackson desn't seem to know much about them - he didn't seem to realize that you get only one bija when you learn TM, when he paid the $65. And, if you adopt other bijas from other teachers, then you're not practicing TM. When finally someone with an insiders view on the above topics volunteer to share his insights who are you to try to stop him? So, it's unlikely you'll be getting any insider information revealed by Mr. Jackson. Let anyone freely display his Pearls of Wisdom ! LoL! Michael Jackson?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life is so much fun - Part 2
Jackson, Don't worry ... Continuing with the bar analogy - people 'round here are already well-stirred. That's why they come here ... to slam a few back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote: Damn! I Thought there was something wrong with me cuz my body consciousness was disappearing! But you are right - I probably should posting this stuff - it is getting too many people stirred up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Look Jackson, your gonna cause his head to explode. Here's an example of a former post that deals with this point but that Willy can't make sense of in any way. He can't let it go 'cause he can't understand. From Baba Hari Dass (the upa-guru of Ram Dass) On the difference between Mantra practice and Japa practice. 1. Mantra is the repetition of sounds or words which have power due to the vibration of the sound itself. 2. Japa is the rhythmic repetition of a name of God. It (Japa) consists of automatic Pranayama, concentration and meditation. The main idea in doing Japa is to make the mind thoughtless. Then automatically body consciousness disappears. If your body consciousness disappears, it means your sadhana is going well. The body is the medium of sadhana and the body is the hindrance in sadhana. Japa is a formal method of worshipping God. It should be done privately and preferably with a mala, or rosary. Silence Speaks: from the chalkboard of Baba Hari Dass, 1977 (my bolding). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote: Look Richard, let me be very plain here - I do not give a damn where the mantras came from nor do I know why you obsess over their origins so much. Were I to be coming to TM now with no prior knowledge of the practice, I might be interested. In 1974 it never occurred to me to ask - I accepted the statement that Virginia Bedford and Jamie Vollmer (the two TM Center people) made that the mantras were meaningless sounds. John Briganti, the first teacher I took a residence course with told us the same thing. Believed it too. And since the mantra still works after 38 years, I see no need to ask where it came from. My remarks about my other two mantras received from the Movement were facetious references to my two advanced techniques. The other two bija mantras came as I said, one from Bob Fickes, former TM teacher who I believe was on TTC with Rick (sorry if I got that wrong Rick.) Bob now has his own thing he calls Fulfillment Meditation. Totally different set of mantras although interestingly he still does puja, but he puts pics of not only Guru Dev on the puja table but pics of Kwan Yin, Archangel Michael and so on. The last bija mantra I got is a Deepak Chopra mantra. Chopra instructors do not use TM puja. Their meditation program was mainly put together by Deepak and Roger Gabriel, an old TM teacher who I believe left the TM Movement the same time Chopra did and went with him to California when Chopra set up the Chopra Center. The Chopra instructors use a sanskrit chant, the shanti mantra Gabriel called it, which shanti mantra chant I do not know. So yes, when I use the Babaji mantra (what Bob calls his mantras) I am not doing TM. When I use the Chopra mantra, I am not doing TM. ' When I use my three TM mantras (spoken facetiously for the Fairfield Life's version of Sheldon Cooper's benefit), meaning my TM mantra plus advanced techniques, I am doing TM. If that don't satisfy you Sheldon, I dunno whut. Nice pic of Michael Jackson - that obviously is not me or these posts would be coming from beyond the grave. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: Careful Jackson, pearls before swine. This is a tough rough crowd here. Rick has visions of this place being a salon but it plays more like a saloon... nablusoss1008: With all due respect Buck, why not let the posters speak freely? http://www.vanityfair.com/ Apparently Mr. Jackson doesn't want to talk about the elephant in the room - the bijas mantra you get when you start TM. Jackson desn't seem to know much about them - he didn't seem to realize that you get only one bija when you learn TM, when he paid the $65. And, if you adopt other bijas from other teachers, then you're not practicing TM. When finally someone with an insiders view on the above topics volunteer to share his insights who are you to try to stop him? So, it's unlikely you'll be getting any insider information revealed by Mr. Jackson. Let anyone freely display his Pearls of Wisdom ! LoL! Michael Jackson?
[FairfieldLife] An Alternative
People wonder why administrators who practice the tm-sidhi program for 40 years are so unkind and uncaring. Look no farther than the how the first three sutra-s are practiced - three reps of three ideas ... that is all. Although engaged with during tm-sanyama, the three sutra-s are initial ideas. Their possible results? According to MMY some feelings of warmth. But why should only three repetitions of such introductory feelings produce a significant, lasting change in someone? MMY used to analogize every method other than tm/tm-sidhi as just another cart and bullock practice. As a counter-point, here is a condensed and succinct example of the main method used in the traditions of Patanjali Yogasutra-s and Gautama Buddha's eight-fold path. Once you get a feel for it, you will understand why these Abodes of Brahma (Brahma Viharas) are considered essential for actualizing and realizing awakened liberation. . The Four Brahma Viharas A guided meditation by Ven. Ayya Khema Think of the four brahma viharas, the four supreme emotions, loving-kindness, compassion, sympathetic joy (joy with others), and equanimity. And see them, as the Buddha explained them, as the only emotions worth having. Nothing else has any real place in our hearts. And think your heart as yearning to be filled with love and compassion, with joy with others, and equanimity. See your heart as yearning for that and then fill it with those emotions. The warmth of love. The care of compassion. The generosity of joy with others. And the peacefulness of equanimity. Fill your heart to the brim. And now spread the love and compassion, and the joy with others, and the equanimity through this room. So that there is the warmth and the care, the generosity and the peacefulness of it all through this room, so that everyone can partake of it. And now let these four emotions, with their warmth and their caring, their generosity and their peacefulness emanate from your heart and reach out to the people who are close to you, so that they can have part of it, without expecting that you can get the same back. Now let all your friends partake of the beautiful emanation from your heart. Loving and compassionate. Caring and peaceful. Now reach out to other people you know. Neighbors. People you might work with. Those you meet in everyday life. Let the heart full of loving-kindness and compassion reach out to all these people that you can think of. Now think anyone towards whom you have some negative feeling in your ordinary life, and don't change your heart now. Allow it to retain love and compassion, joy with others, and equanimity and let those same emotions reach out to that difficult person. Now feel your heart emanating the beautiful rays of love and compassion, the warmth and the caring, the giving and peacefulness and let these rays go out into the world and touch people's hearts near and far. Think of people around here and then go further afield. Letting these beautiful rays and emanations from your heart go to as many hearts as you can find. And put your attention back on yourself and feel the warmth of loving-kindness and the peacefulness of giving permeate you, fill you and surround you. The warmth in the heart brings joy and the peacefulness that surrounds you brings a feeling of security. May beings everywhere love each other. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Dear Seek, I agree that TMers are not necessarily more evolved or knowledgeable or calmer in turmoil or overall better humans than others. However I also want to bring up an experience that has puzzled me for years. It came up when, for emotional healing, I got involved with non TM groups. BTW, both groups contained ex TMers as well as long term practicing TMers and non TMers. To me, the non TMers in general just did not feel natural, which is not exactly the best word but comes closest. Maybe unstraining is a better way to say it. Some subtle energy of settledness missing. Again, I'm fumbling for words and thinking out loud here. But wanted to mention to get your feedback.   I also notice that a lot of people are familiar with New Age ideas and even wisdom. But much of that sounds more like common sense to me. Which is very good on that level. Or New Age knowledge often puts the cart before the horse. My favorite example is Eckhart Tolle and his teaching to be in the Now. It's my experience that being in the Now is a result rather than a path. It's also my experience that the Now contains both past and future so no need to avoid them. Anyway, I'm ever grateful to Maharishi for his teaching on consciousness and its unfolding. At this point, I have not gone deeply into Buddhist or Taoist wisdom. But what I have encountered nourishes my spirit. I'm simply grateful for all the wisdom and practical help that is available these days. And that it's my dharma to explore. Share Â
[FairfieldLife] Re:to Judy Stein -- writing for the Church of $cientology
Ravioli My Devi is Ekajati. She doesn't waste time with utter idiots. My Guru says she only cares about advaya-jñana but for your sake, I'll ask her to give you a glace. Just don't be arrogant, since she can deal roughly with stupid fools. For your sake, I'll pray for you beneficence. You need it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Richard J. Williams richard@...wrote: ** Ravi Chivukula: Empty - is it, is that what your Devi says - to taunt women here? I never heard back from you since November you dumb MF'er... Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, Ravi. Right..thanks Richard, poor emptybill, sob, sniffle, sniffle - I'm being too hard on him, poor bastard. So what if he doesn't have any skills to deal with real women and gets cursed by them, he has his fantasized Devi. It's all good - I'm sure he gets along well with his Devi, right empty? The obsessed, friendless, possibly sexually dysfunctional loser expat drifting through the world of newsgroups and message boards. The erstwhile participants driven to juvenile hazing rituals routinely go on to more even less important projects, like walking the dog past a cemetary. It's a rabbit hole game to establish the newsworthiness of trolling, when a bunch of spoiled, chat-room yakkers, try to surprise the Old Guys and Gals, with ...have you anything new to say? Go figure. Here, the fragility-of-childhood is prominent and the disappointments which come from not growing up are central. Adults who are torn in time, dislodged and displaced from the safety of family childhood, yet not ready, either, for the world of adulthood, parenting, or even voting. Here, the grotesque becomes human nature - with a talent rooted in envy - a scary vision of man alone, shut off in his room, cold, bareness, and vacancy, and inertia - the emotions of solitude are apparent and flourish in the online world.
[FairfieldLife] Re:to Judy Stein -- writing for the Church of $cientology
Ravioli Sorry you have such self-loathing. Wouldn't you feel better with a completely new incarnation? Pray to Devi to spare you from yourself. I hear she's quite merciful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Empty - You are physically repulsive, intellectually retarded, vulgar, insensitive, selfish, stupid, you have no taste, a lousy sense of humor and you smell. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 4:37 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: ** It must be hard to face the truth. So many posters here view you as just a shrew. Not me of course . Rather, I believe you are a magnificent bodhisattva, bent upon liberating everyone in all possible universes ... even if they don't want it. This is the burden you have taken upon yourself 'cause you really love everyone ... no matter what. Magnificent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: snip Me, I don't see how anybody can ever hope to get anywhere near the larger Truth if they have no concern for the smaller truths of everyday life, including on this forum. While you are very skillful at these smaller truths Judy, I think you do get caught up in them to your disadvantage. Of course you do, Xeno. I wouldn't expect otherwise.
[FairfieldLife] Re:to Judy Stein -- writing for the Church of $cientology
Wake up Willy and smell the etymological cognates. Vi-jnana (vi = apart, separate, jña =to know) is cognate with Latin dis-cerne (dis = apart, cernere = perceive). Con-scious (con = with/together, scire = know) is a Latin loan-translation from Greek syn-eidos = with seeing). Vijñana therefore means distinguishing apart something from something else. In Vijñanavada epistemology it indicates the skandha of being aware or knowing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Me, I don't see how anybody can ever hope to get anywhere near the larger Truth if they have no concern for the smaller truths of everyday life, including on this forum. While you are very skillful at these smaller truths Judy, I think you do get caught up in them to your disadvantage. Of course you do, Xeno. I wouldn't expect otherwise. emptybill: It must be hard to face the truth... Barry wrote that he doesn't believe in a larger 'truth', so yeah why would he believe in any smaller truths? LoL! Barry believes in 'free will' and 'vijnana' does not mean conciousness. LoL! Yeah, the truth, Wright, Bill? The concept of free will plays a central role in Kashmir Shaivism. Known under the technical name of svatantrya it is the cause of the creation of the universe - a primordial force that stirs up the absolute and manifests the world inside the supreme consciousness of Siva. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_ShaivismKashmir The details of the beliefs vary in different texts, but the general principles are similar to those found in Kashmir Shaivism...The name srividya is also used to refer to a specific mantra used in this tradition having fifteen syllables. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shri_Vidya
[FairfieldLife] Re: Naomi Wolfe on how the Romney video killed the American Dream
Maoist sentimentality trans-posted posted on FFL don't mean shit. Wake up smell the bovine feces. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Bottom line: We thus see a turning-point in American conservative philosophy. This was the moment when the wealthy elite stopped believing its own PR, the self-affirming myth of that economic success can always be had for those who want it and are willing to work. Mitt Romney has told us that it's now simply class war: a struggle to stop the other half getting what we have. Thank you for your candor, Mr Romney. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/21/mitt-romney-video-ki\ lled-american-dream
[FairfieldLife] Re:to Judy Stein -- writing for the Church of $cientology
It must be hard to face the truth. So many posters here view you as just a shrew. Not me of course . Rather, I believe you are a magnificent bodhisattva, bent upon liberating everyone in all possible universes ... even if they don't want it. This is the burden you have taken upon yourself 'cause you really love everyone ... no matter what. Magnificent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: snip Me, I don't see how anybody can ever hope to get anywhere near the larger Truth if they have no concern for the smaller truths of everyday life, including on this forum. While you are very skillful at these smaller truths Judy, I think you do get caught up in them to your disadvantage. Of course you do, Xeno. I wouldn't expect otherwise.
[FairfieldLife] Re:to Judy Stein -- writing for the Church of $cientology
A. Woeful Baiter, Nice job. No one else has yet shown forth the real Judas Stone as she really is. Remarkable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: It must be hard to face the truth. Actually I vastly prefer facing the truth to facing bullshit, but I'll do the latter if necessary. So many posters here view you as just a shrew. I'd rather be perceived as a truth-seeking shrew than a reality-avoiding pompous dormouse. Not me of course . Rather, I believe you are a magnificent bodhisattva, bent upon liberating everyone in all possible universes ... even if they don't want it. This is the burden you have taken upon yourself 'cause you really love everyone ... no matter what. Magnificent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: snip Me, I don't see how anybody can ever hope to get anywhere near the larger Truth if they have no concern for the smaller truths of everyday life, including on this forum. While you are very skillful at these smaller truths Judy, I think you do get caught up in them to your disadvantage. Of course you do, Xeno. I wouldn't expect otherwise.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Naomi Wolfe on how the Romney video killed the American Dream
I say stand 'em up along the walls like we did in Munich in 1919. Let 'em kiss lead for Jesus, psycho-pompos capatilist swine! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Comrade Empty, what is Maoist about Wolfe's statement? Or do you really want a bunch of rich fucks telling you what you can and cannot do? On 09/22/2012 03:10 PM, emptybill wrote: Maoist sentimentality trans-posted posted on FFL don't mean shit. Wake up smell the bovine feces. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Bottom line: We thus see a turning-point in American conservative philosophy. This was the moment when the wealthy elite stopped believing its own PR, the self-affirming myth of that economic success can always be had for those who want it and are willing to work. Mitt Romney has told us that it's now simply class war: a struggle to stop the other half getting what we have. Thank you for your candor, Mr Romney. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/21/mitt-romney-video-ki\ \ lled-american-dream
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Love This
Elf Baiter sez: Well, I guess it has to be the witch since that is me circa 1960, the one on the right. Empty Bill sez: Congrads Elf Baiter, you're in good company. IMO, Margret Hamilton's role as the wicked witch of the West makes the 1939 film wonderful. FFL needs another Wicked Witch only one not quite as unreflective as those acted out in the other FFL auditions. Maybe you can fly up like a hawk with your piercing gaze and spot the tasty little morsel awaiting its karmic devouring. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Elf Baiter So which one do you identify with ... Nikko the winged monkey or the Witch of the West? Well, I guess it has to be the witch since that is me circa 1960, the one on the right. [fbPhotosSnowliftCaption]
[FairfieldLife] Re: anaadi matparaM brahma or anaadimat paraM brahma??
Sorry, Willy, but you are starting to bluster again. No Western trained scholar (Indian or Euro-American) would believe these invented claims by Indians. There are no texts to read, Willy, because tantra only developed as puja-yajna during the puranic temple-historical phase later known as Hinduism. Individually oriented inner tantric practice is a later development which is centered upon the internalization the fire ritual (antara-agni-yaga). BTW, all smarta Brahmins claim allegiance to Shankara. So what, it means nothing. Current smarta sannyasins use Sri Vidya because they adhere to Yogic Advaita, which reinterprets advaita as a form of yoga. That may be yoga and/or tantra but it is not advaita. Many of the current Shankaracharya-s have proven to be shills who were voted in by various Brahmin groups after taking lakhs of rupees for their votes. However, you are probably getting screwed, Willy, `cause they ain't payin' you to make their fabulous claims here in 'Smerica. Wake up and smell the rupees. That would be smarta than what you're doin' now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: emptybill: This does not mean that either Shankara or SBS were tantrika-s... Can't help you if you won't read the texts, Bill. Get some smarts and learn some history! MMY got the TM bijas from SBS and he got them from SKS, all they way back to the Adi Shankara. All the Sringeri sannyasins are tantrikas and adherents Sri Vidya. All the Sringeri sannyasisn worship the Sri Yantra - a tantric yoga. These are the facts. So, let's review what we know: The adherents of the Sri Vidya claim Shankara as their Adi Guru, and all of the Saraswati sannyasins worship Tripurasundari with the Sri Yantra, and they repeat the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice each day. At their headquarters at Sringeri, the Saraswati yogins all proclaim their allegiance to the Adi Shankara. According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Dwarka, Puri, Sringeri, and at Jyotirmath. So, the mantras of TM are DIRECTLY related to Sri Vidya. So, we get TM and the TM bijas from MMY, who got the bijas from SBS, who got the bijas from the Swami Krishananda Saraswati of Sringeri. So, the TM bijas come from the Shankaracharya tradition of Kaula Tantra which was founded at Sringeri by the Adi Shankara. So, when TMers use the bija mantra of Saraswati, there is no difference between the bija and the Absolute itself - there is only the illusion of duration. There is no difference between an object meditated upon and the object itself. Since the Absolute is not a subject to be cognized, TMers use bija mantras in order to provide the ideal opportunity for the transcending. According to Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, The difference is the same as the difference between rice and paddy. Remove the skin of the paddy and it is rice. Similarly, remove the covering of Maya, and the Jiva will become Brahman. ...it has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya From: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 28, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/2drn7gp I have the Mandukya Upanishad with Shankara's detailed commentary. Nowhere is there a discussion of 7 states of consciousness, much less Maharishi's 7 states. Shankara's so called usage of Kashmiri Trika or Shri Vidya is untrue and has long been disproven. It has already been established that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was an adherent of the Sri Vidya. It has also already been established that MMY was a close confidant of Swami Laksmanjoo, the last Tantric teacher of Trika in Kashmere. Another crucial point that is often missed is that Maharishi's typology is a tantric rendering of the seven states, not a strictly Vedantic map. The 'God Consciousness' described by Maharishi is based on Sri Vidya principles: The Absolute as the creative source - the divine Mother, Tripura, which is the main doctrine of both Sri Vidya and Kashmere Shivaism. Tripura can be an anthropomorphic deity, but the subtler tantric practices are directed towards Tripura as the formless - that is, the fourth state which is beyond or transcendental to, the three gross states (three cities) symbolized by AUM in the Mandukhya Upanishad and the cogent commentary by Gaudapadacharya. In Sri Vidya, the Sri Yantra is the map of the seven states, which agrees with Maharishi's layout, with the Bindu at the center. According to Tantra the Bindu is the highest state of transcendenace. Swami Rama on the Mandukhya Upanishad
[FairfieldLife] Re: anaadi matparaM brahma or anaadimat paraM brahma??
You must have been a disciple of Joseph Propagandhi Goebbels last lifetime thus believing that if you tell a story enough times people will believe it is true. Funny though, I don't remember you there. Shankara instituted the shanmata method of puja-yajna (worship of Shiva, Vishnu, Shakti, Surya Narayana, Ganesh and Karttikeya). It is the method (vidhi) used by smarta Brahmins like SBS. Shankara united the various bickering factions of various deity worshipers by this means. Later they added the puranic and tantric puja methods worshipping Shiva as shivalingam and Vishnu as shalagram shila. This does not mean that either Shankara or SBS were tantrika-s. You have had this demonstrated to you repeatedly. You obviously believe that if you keep speaking these pseudo-stories then someone will believe you. Apparently, that is all you have. It makes you appear amateurish. Welcome to the noetic void Willy Propagandhi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: emptybill: I have the Mandukya Upanishad with Shankara's detailed commentary. Nowhere is there a discussion of 7 states of consciousness, much less Maharishi's 7 states. Shankara's so called usage of Kashmiri Trika or Shri Vidya is untrue and has long been disproven. It has already been established that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was an adherent of the Sri Vidya. It has also already been established that MMY was a close confidant of Swami Laksmanjoo, the last Tantric teacher of Trika in Kashmere. Another crucial point that is often missed is that Maharishi's typology is a tantric rendering of the seven states, not a strictly Vedantic map. The 'God Consciousness' described by Maharishi is based on Sri Vidya principles: The Absolute as the creative source - the divine Mother, Tripura, which is the main doctrine of both Sri Vidya and Kashmere Shivaism. Tripura can be an anthropomorphic deity, but the subtler tantric practices are directed towards Tripura as the formless - that is, the fourth state which is beyond or transcendental to, the three gross states (three cities) symbolized by AUM in the Mandukhya Upanishad and the cogent commentary by Gaudapadacharya. In Sri Vidya, the Sri Yantra is the map of the seven states, which agrees with Maharishi's layout, with the Bindu at the center. According to Tantra the Bindu is the highest state of transcendenace. Swami Rama on the Mandukhya Upanishad: 2) Sarvam hyetad brahmayam-atma brahma soyamatma catushpat. Atman has Four Aspects: All of this, everywhere, is in truth Brahman, the Absolute Reality. This very Self itself, Atman, is also Brahman, the Absolute Reality. This Atman or Self has four aspects through which it operates. Work cited: 'Enlightenment Without God' Mandukhya Upanishad By Swami Rama Himalayan Institute Press, 1982 Other titles of interst: 'The Secret of the Three Cities' An Introduction to Hindu Sakta Tantrism By Douglas Renfrew Brooks University Of Chicago Press, 1998 'The Triadic Heart of Siva' Kaula Tantricism of Abhinavagupta in the Non-Dual Shaivism of Kashmir By Paul Eduardo Muller-Ortega State University of New York Press, 1989
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Wow, This Obama Story Could End His Chances for a Second Term
Bari2, If Obama gets re-elected then you might have a chance to become a Commissar. You could then have Willy hunted down and reeducated. If Mitt wins then you can always move next to Robin and commiserate about the demons. Yep, either way you'll feel better. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 09/20/2012 08:26 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: seekliberation: As of right now, I think Obama still has a pretty good chunk of voters believing that he actually knows what he's doing. Iran cannot be allowed to possess a nuclear bomb. If the U.S. won't put a stop to Iran's plans to rule the region, then NATO will still defend keeping open the Straight of Hormuz - that's the red line. Without the flow of oil in the gulf to Europe, all the EU countries will become very cold, and then they will be annexed by Vladimir Putin. However, if an attack occurs and Iran attempts to close the Straight, then I predict that Obama will command the defense of the Straight. We can count on Obama and Clinton to defend the U.S. and its interests over there. Otherwise, we will vote in someone who will make America safe. Obama has very robust foreign policy. - General Wesley Clark http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/ Many within the Obama administration believe that Israel will launch a pre-emptive strike against Iran's nuclear facilities before the US presidential elections, an act which would signal the failure of one of Washington's key foreign policy objectives. 'Armada of British naval power massing in the Gulf as Israel prepares an Iran strike' The Telegraph, September 16, 2012 http://tinyurl.com/9gpk3gw Willy, domestic policy is what is at stake right now. As for foreign policy most Americans would prefer that Obama bring the troops home and that the administration will stop spending on military presence abroad. Let Israel fight it's own fights. I don't see the rich fuck Romney showing that he is anything but an elitist pig and certainly someone that doesn't deserve to even run for president let alone get elected. As he keeps flapping his gums he makes a good job of turning Americans off. If Americans vote in Romney they either have short memories or are stupid as hell because they're forgetting the Republicans got us in this mess in the first place. Obama was stuck to clean up quite a mess after the Republicans drunken party.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Love This
Elf Baiter So which one do you identify with ... Nikko the winged monkey or the Witch of the West?
[FairfieldLife] Re: anaadi matparaM brahma or anaadimat paraM brahma??
Etymologically, Vijnana means discernment and within Vijnanavada usage perhaps cognition. Vijnana-matra does not mean consciousness but mere discernment or mere cognition. I have the Mandukya Upanishad with Shankara's detailed commentary. Nowhere is there a discussion of 7 states of consciousness, much less Maharishi's 7 states. Shankara's so called usage of Kashmiri Trika or Shri Vidya is untrue and has long been disproven. This has been pointed out to you on FFL in the past. You have received conclusive refutations of each of your false claims in the past. Your need to perpetuate them here is more proof that you are not concerned with the truth. Apparently such self-satisfying displays are all you have left, since you repeat over and over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: emptybill: Apparently you never tire of parading Hairless Krishna Propagandhi. I discussed this forced interpretation in a post with you in the past. Early Old-Timers? It's a re-statement of the Buddhist Vijnana of Vasubandhu. So, it's pretty well established that Advaita is a copy of the Vijnana. So, I guess we've pretty much established that Chit - 'consciousness', is the One Absolute, according to the Kashmere Tantrism, which essentially agrees with the Sri Vidya - and the sayings of MMY on the 'Seven States of Consciouness' vis a vis the Transcendental state - Turiya as mentioned in Mandukhya Upanishad. According to Chandrahar Sharma these are essentially re-staements of Vinjnanavada Buddhism - the school of 'Consciousness-only' founded by Arya Asanga and the Vasubandhu brothers - Yogacara. Excerpt from 'vijnApti matratA siddhi' by vasAabAndhu: Pure conciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous. (XIII, 13). Thus shaking off duality, he directly percieves the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadAtu). (VI, 7 Sharma, p. 112-113). Work cited: 'A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy' by Chandrahar Sharma, M.A., D. Phil., D. Litt., LL.B., Shastri, Dept. of Phil., Benares Hindu U. Rider 1960. vimshAtika-Vrtti on kArikA 1, p. 114.
[FairfieldLife] Re: anaadi matparaM brahma or anaadimat paraM brahma??
Card Apparently you never tire of parading Hairless Krishna Propagandhi. I discussed this forced interpretation in a post with you in the past. Early Old-Timers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: [Prev][Next][Index] Vedanta (4 of 4) Subject: Vedanta (4 of 4) From: manish@... (Manish Tandon) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 22:28:24 GMT Apparently-To: alt-hindu@... From news@... Thu Mar 16 17: 20:40 1995 Newsgroups: alt.hindu Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Sender: news@... namo om vishnu padaya krishna prasthaya bhu tale srimate bhaktivedanta swamin iti namine om ajnana timirandhasya jnananjana salakaya caksur unmilitan yena tasmai sri- gurave namah om brahman satyam jagan mithya Brahman alone is (formless and unmanifested) The advaita-vadins say: viShaya: Form is only for beginners. All forms disolves at the time of mukti. Krishna says in the Gita (12.5) For those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To this we reply: samSaya: But that is quoting out of context! He already described His personal worshipers in (12.2) and declared them the best before He even began to describe the impersonalists. BG 12.2 Sri Bhagavan uvacha: Those who fix their minds on My personal form and are always engaged in worshiping Me with great transcendental faith are considered by Me to be the most perfect. Now you may say that Krishna is saying that only to encourage the conditioned beings since then cannot concentrate on the formless and if concentrating on the form is inferior they may not take up either. But not so, because in BG (13.13) He explicitly says anadi mat-param brahman the beginningless (anadi) Brahman is subordinate to Me (mat-param). The advaita-vadins say: viShaya: But sruti says Brahman is Supreme, it cannot be subordinate to anyone or anything. To this we reply: samSaya: Not so. Sruti explicitly says Isvara/'Paramam Brahma' and jivah/'anur atma' in several places and there is no obvious reason, save for atheism, to resolve the two into one. The advaita-vadins cite Mundaka Upanisad (3.2.9) brahma veda brahmaiva bhavati one who knows Brahman attains Brahman whereas the actual verse says sa yo ha vai tat paramam brahma veda brahmaiva bhavati one who knows the Supreme Brahman attains Brahman! Svetasvatar Upanisad (3.7) tatha param brahma param brhantam yatha-nikayam sarva-bhuteshu gudham visvasya aikam parivestitaram isam tam jnatvamrta bhavanti Higher than this is the Supreme Brahman, the great hidden in all the creatures according to their bodies, the One who envelopes the universe, knowing Him, the Lord, (jivas) become free. Note the explicit words tatha param brahma refer to Isvara and not just (nirguna) Brahman. So Krishna is the Supreme Brahman and knowing Him, one realizes his real nature which is Brahman (sat-cit-ananda). Gopal-tapani Upanisad (1.35) tam ekam govindam sat-cit-ananda-vigraham You may say no. no. Brahman is Supreme and paramam brahmn only means Brahman that is supreme. But we refute that because that is contrary to the grammar. Do you say Head Master and Master the Head to say the same thing? Head Master refers to a master who is the head and there may or may not be other masters, whereas Master the head refers the Master who is the head AND he alone is the master. Not just that, in several places, sruti has paramam before Brahman and others don't. That clearly means Brahman is a state that is unmanifested and beginningless and the paramam brahmn is the very basis of everything. Also, sruti says in several places gives explicit description of the form of the Lord, notably, sat-cit-ananda rupaya krsnaya Gopal Tapani Upanisad (1.1), rukma-varanam kartaram isam paramam Mundaka Upanisad (3.1.3), mukham Isa Upanisad (15) to name a few. sat-cit-ananda rupaya in fact establishes the fact that Brahman is the nature of Isvara or Paramam Brahmn. It only says that the form of the Lord is not material like our material bodies that decay automatically in course of time. Not having a material form does by no means implies no form at all. Infact infinite doesn't mean formless, the limit is in our minds, we cannot see or imagine an infinite form so we may conclude due to our ignorance that infinite is formless, I substantiate that by a quote: When we say something is infinite, we signify only that we are not able to concieve the ends and bounds of the thing named. - Thomas Hobbes, English philosopher Shows that infinite can have form but we won't be able to concieve that, which is why it is also called acintya.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus=God?
Elf Baiter, I could have addressed it also to you but you seem more presumptive that you are absolutely real. Such are our certainties. However, as some insightful person once pointed out ... we might doubt anything but we don't doubt our suffering. Such are our certainties. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Just to kibitz a bit - You don't really seem to vacillate between believing and non-believing. After all, you seem to thoroughly believe in yourself. You just don't seem able to totally dismiss this fairy tale theology you've been told by your betters- probably when you were too young to know it was nothing but a sales job. Welcome to Christian guilt obsession, even if just in latent form. You enslaved mantra-demon worshiper! Yep, and whatever else I believe or don't, I do really like meditating. I get all those benefits we talk about. It is good stuff. So, when something works so well, it is easy to believe in to the other ideas tht go long with it: enlightenment, maybe reincarnation, higher states of C, the Vedas, jyotish. I heard various fairy tales growing up - mainstream Christianity, then TM when about age 19. And was always very interested in world religions and spirituality, even as a young child (interest in such things is thought to be very much due to genetics). I don't think it is guilt exactly that I feel - maybe a bit obsessed with wondering which version of Reality is the realest. And wishing I had that 100% belief in something that I once had. Being enslaved is, in some ways, easier!! Oh, so Bill was addressing you Susan, it wasn't clear to me. Thanks for inadvertently clearing it up for me by addressing his question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Good to know I am not alone on this back and forth between believing and non believing. Stay well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Thank you Susan. Â I got it. Â I will put the two responses side by side. Â I have a believing and non-believing mode also, and you articulate yours quite well; it's interesting to compare. Â Have a nice day. Â Regards, Emily. Â From: wayback71 wayback71@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is Jesus=God? Â Hey Emily, I wrote a post in reply to you and did not send it until this afternoon. Post #31992o. It was in response to your question about what I believe when I am not in my believing in spirituality mode. Delayed reply, sorry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus=God?
If you doubt your suffering then you would be the first to announce it here. How do you explain it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Elf Baiter, I don't think I've ever been addressed as this before! I could have addressed it also to you but you seem more presumptive that you are absolutely real. Such are our certainties. You seem more certain of this than I do. However, as some insightful person once pointed out ... we might doubt anything but we don't doubt our suffering. Such are our certainties. Oh, you don't know of my certainties or my reality but you are welcome to conjecture here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Just to kibitz a bit - You don't really seem to vacillate between believing and non-believing. After all, you seem to thoroughly believe in yourself. You just don't seem able to totally dismiss this fairy tale theology you've been told by your betters- probably when you were too young to know it was nothing but a sales job. Welcome to Christian guilt obsession, even if just in latent form. You enslaved mantra-demon worshiper! Yep, and whatever else I believe or don't, I do really like meditating. I get all those benefits we talk about. It is good stuff. So, when something works so well, it is easy to believe in to the other ideas tht go long with it: enlightenment, maybe reincarnation, higher states of C, the Vedas, jyotish. I heard various fairy tales growing up - mainstream Christianity, then TM when about age 19. And was always very interested in world religions and spirituality, even as a young child (interest in such things is thought to be very much due to genetics). I don't think it is guilt exactly that I feel - maybe a bit obsessed with wondering which version of Reality is the realest. And wishing I had that 100% belief in something that I once had. Being enslaved is, in some ways, easier!! Oh, so Bill was addressing you Susan, it wasn't clear to me. Thanks for inadvertently clearing it up for me by addressing his question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Good to know I am not alone on this back and forth between believing and non believing. Stay well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Thank you Susan. Â I got it. Â I will put the two responses side by side. Â I have a believing and non-believing mode also, and you articulate yours quite well; it's interesting to compare. Â Have a nice day. Â Regards, Emily. Â From: wayback71 wayback71@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is Jesus=God? Â Hey Emily, I wrote a post in reply to you and did not send it until this afternoon. Post #31992o. It was in response to your question about what I believe when I am not in my believing in spirituality mode. Delayed reply, sorry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus=God?
Just to kibitz a bit - You don't really seem to vacillate between believing and non-believing. After all, you seem to thoroughly believe in yourself. You just don't seem able to totally dismiss this fairy tale theology you've been told by your betters- probably when you were too young to know it was nothing but a sales job. Welcome to Christian guilt obsession, even if just in latent form. You enslaved mantra-demon worshiper! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Good to know I am not alone on this back and forth between believing and non believing. Stay well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Thank you Susan. Â I got it. Â I will put the two responses side by side. Â I have a believing and non-believing mode also, and you articulate yours quite well; it's interesting to compare. Â Have a nice day. Â Regards, Emily. Â From: wayback71 wayback71@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is Jesus=God? Â Hey Emily, I wrote a post in reply to you and did not send it until this afternoon. Post #31992o. It was in response to your question about what I believe when I am not in my believing in spirituality mode. Delayed reply, sorry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was the Maharishi confused? (or just being clever).
Chaim get over it. You no longer loan out your Bugatti to derelict Counts. You no longer woo-woo the gentrified on your stage. When you hurl Nazi! at every shadow you look unhinged. Get over your sordid past and return to the 21st century. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: So, if the maharishi was teaching 'neo-hinduism'... Then why was he so upset when the courts found TM to be a religion? I remember how upset Jerry Jarvis was at the time...he had worked hard in the TMO and really wanted to see the thing taught in the schools and so on... So, what I heard was that this produced a falling out between him(jerry) and the maharishi... In that Maharishi didn't want to pay the lawyers who had represented the TMO in the court case... Jerry being the moral guy that he is( and the only person that I know in the TMO who actually is enlightened)... Jerry wanted to pay for the services, even though they had lost the case...so there was a falling out between them... So, we all know who replaced Jerry...bevan from heaven as we used to call him... Bevan became the 'Prime Minister of Propaganda' for the TMO, which he had lot's of experience with, as this was his posititon in his last life- Where...he was regarded as a genius of propaganda for the 3rd Reich, at that time... Cleverly the maharishi fattened him up so he would have a good costume to avoid being referenced to Prime Minister of Propaganda- hier Joseph Goebbels He also had him assume this really feminine voice which was also a good way to divert the attention from the usual loud and obnoxious 'Zeig Heil'... I guess it was meant to be, because Jerry being the enlightened, moral and normal married man,that he is, could never really go along with what was to come of the TMO... Hier Bevan on the other hand loves to kiss ass and decieve the people, in all kinds of clever ways.. as this is what he is best at... Just my humble opinion... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: MMY was an enigma, we don't know WHAT kind of meditation HE practiced nor do we even know if HE, himself achieved what he taught. My belief is he was more of a social reformer interested in instituting neo-hinduism throughout the World much like Christian missionaries. (Is that really so bad? NO!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: His followers called him Mahasamatman and said he was a god. He preferred to drop the Maha- and the -atman, however, and called himself Sam. He never claimed to be a god. But then, he never claimed not to be a god. Circumstances being what they were, neither admission could be of any benefit. Silence, though, could. Therefore, there was mystery about him. -Lord of Light, by Roger Zelazny http://arthursbookshelf.com/sci-fi/zelazny/Lord%20of%20Light%20-%20Roger\ %20Zelaz\ ny.pdf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: The thing is that the maharishi never got enlightened through the use of techniques... He said that he got enlightened from being around an enlightened person...Swami Brahmananda Saraswati... Please provide even a single verifiable example of him having said this, having claimed that he was either enlightened, or that he got there via the method you claim he cited. I'll wait. Thanks in advance. Agreed, never heard him say that! In fact MMY's state of consciousness is unknown since he NEVER revealed what state he was in or even HOW he got there (if he got there)! We don't know WHAT MMY himself practiced, probably something completely different as far as we know
[FairfieldLife] Re: US National Debt Hits $16 Trillion
Calm down. We'll just hyper-inflate out of all this government debt. $400/gallon gas may seem impossible at the moment but it's the only proven way to pay off the impossible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: You are absolutely right about Presidents don't run a country by themselves. Obama, with his party, and his party only, saddled us with another major entitlement program, Obamacare, when we can't even afford the ones we have now. Nobody that runs a business knows what's coming next and can't plan for the future and therefore will not barrow or spend money to grow their business by hiring more people. Banks want to lend money but are afraid to because of all the new regulations. They fear the government coming after them and hitting them with fines and penalties. Obama has put capitalism in a straight jacket, not on a leash. The country can not grow out of this at our current rate, which means we keep falling further and further behind, deeper in debt. We are going right down the same path the Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese, Italians and now the French. BTW, I saw where the wealthy French are leaving the country nowand taking their money.Meanwhile, people in the USA, who really do understand capitalism, save their capital for another day. The rich are never hurt in these situations. They have enough to hunker down and wait it out but not near enough to bail us out.If you took ALL of their money, you could run the Federal Government about eight days, what do you do then? Who is hurt most are the poor and then the middle class.IMPO, I think Obama has done more to hurt the very people that he claims to champion, but you'll never convince them of that because they think he *cares* about them and will make the rich pay for what they want. He probably does care. But I think the dude is in way over his head. Instead of creating heaven, he's creating hell. My prayer is that Romney gets elected with a strong Republican House and Senate and has the same opportunity Obama had. However, I think it's going to take decades to bring the national debt down significantly, even with entitlement reform. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] US National Debt Hits $16 Trillion  Presidents don't run the country by themselves. That's a myth uneducated Americans have. Regardless of what you say on the campaign trail it has been well documented that once in office you get the come to Jesus talk from the people who really run the US. Just ask JFK what happens if you defy what they want. IOW, just don't have foreign war of empire and the budget would have probably remained with a surplus. But what product to sell, stuff that your customer destroys and needs to order more ... to destroy. What a crazy planet we live on! Romney would run the country like that rich Australian bitch that wants miners to work for $2 a day. Good reason why people shouldn't be allowed to have wealth worth any more than a few million in Today's dollars. Wealth equals power which corrupts. On 09/05/2012 11:50 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: NO SHIT DUDE! We've been saying that for years now! And the government keeps running up the debt. Bush ran it up about 4 trillion in his eight years and Obama has run it up over 5 trillion in four years. The next guy in office will probably run it up 10 trillion in two years! Somebody, that knows what they are doing, has got to fix this NOW or we're all going down in this life time, together. While I believe Obama means well, I don't think he has a clue as to how an economy runs, at least Capitalism. He is the embodiment of discontent without wisdom. He wants us to be more like the European Union and they're in the same predicament, if not worse. Why would anyone want to go down that path? Look, only a fraction of the baby boomers have retired yet and SS and Medicare will be solvent for only a decade or two more, at best. If the economy continues to worsen, another recession, it will only get worse, faster. I know Obama can't fix this mess. Romney has a reputation of being a problem solver and fixing broken things and he's very good at what he does. Obama said, if you don't have a record to run on then you have to make everyone run from the other guy. That is Obama's strategy. Make people fear Romney. So much for Hope n Change. From: John mailto:jr_esq%40yahoo.com To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] US National Debt Hits $16 Trillion We have a big problem here. The politicians have to cooperate to reduce the debt. Neither one president nor one party can solve this problem. It may take more than two terms to reduce the debt to an acceptable level. If not, the US economy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Back to When You Bought the TM-Sidhis...
And what Upanishads would that be? What traditional text are you pointing to as proof of concept? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: As I have pointed out many times in this forum, MMY's exposition on Yogic Flying -that it comes in stages, including hopping like a frog- is straight out of the upanishads and other traditional texts. The fact that you don't want to acknowledge that this really IS how it is described in traditional circles speaks volumes about how you still have anger issues. Whether or not Yogic Flying, as practiced by TM-Sidhas or by anyone else for that matter, ever leads to real floating around the room, is immaterial: a devout Hindu (or are you going to say that MMY wasn't a Believer) believed the scriptures of his own religious tradition were valid. Wow. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: (snipped more great stuff) Which is pretty funny really, like saying my half-hearted jogging efforts are merely stage one of running at the speed of light. Any day now... Excellent post. The human capacity to believe is a wonder unto itself, Amen! I think the core of how this got sold to us is based on a faulty understanding about what went on in the Vedic past. We still hear echos of this on FFL where people quote old texts designed basically as promo brochures for saints of different religions as if they were factual statements. Being in the past it slips through one of our cognitive gap vulnerabilities. I know that I can't fly and people in my neighborhood can't, but maybe they can if they live in the Himalayan mountains which is far away and that might make it more likely. Or perhaps in the past it happened because that is removed from my everyday experience and so that makes it feel as if things like this might be more possible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiz: Determining one's existential sincerity
This quiz is neither theme nor value neutral. Rather is the subset of a doctrinally preloaded view. Thus it is not an existential but rather a meta-thematic post-it note for (in this case) a specific theology. Yep, another Christian subterfuge masks itself as existential. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Quiz To Determine How Sincere You Are About Knowing Reality Directions: Read each statement carefully. Decide whether you Strongly Agree (SA), Agree (A), Strongly Disagree (SD), or Disagree (D). Score 4 for the maximally desired answer, which will always be either SA or SD. Score 2 for the desired answer, which will always be A or D. Score 0 for the undesired answer, Score -1 for the maximally undesirable answer. Perfect score = 100. There are 25 questions. I understand more or less how I came to my present view of reality. I can't conceive of understanding or experiencing reality in any other way than I do. When I sense some challenge to my view of reality (or any given issue) I harden and hunker down; it doesn't matter at that point whether I am right or wrong; I must preserve the sense of my own sense of integrity: I must defend myself. I have had the experience of realizing I was wrong about something, and have enjoyed surrendering to a different truth than I started out believing. I feel I am a pretty good judge of the sincerity or insincerity of someone who takes a point of view opposed to my own. I believe it is possible to be a good person and yet have a view of reality or even any important issue which is opposed to my own point of view. I would like to have a greater awareness of all the reality that there is to know. I am living a life that is not ignoring the fact that I know I must die someday. I wish I could be in an actual state of grace all the time, supposing this were possible. I am willing to brave my fears and my own conditioning in order to get a connection with reality which will ask some form of sacrifice of my familiar way of seeing things, and my own vanity. I am interested in having an experience of my own essential innocence and sincerity--at least this is a desideratum I seek. I consider a clear conscience to be a good thing. It is something I wish to possess in my own life. When I am in the presence of an intuition of a greater or higher reality I tend to contract rather than expand. I have done my best to find the purpose of life, even the purpose of my own life. I like learning new things about myself; I am in the quest of greater self-knowledge all the time. I feel motivated in some sense to seek the truth even if that truth is inconvenient to me, to my assumed beliefs and predilections. I think I am a pretty good judge of the character of other human beings. I feel that my life has been governed by a fate which did not take into account my own desire or free will. I feel I am not essentially responsible for where I have ended up in my life. I am willing to have a change of heart about someone should they indicate some willingness to reach out to me. My enemies, they are fixed for all-time for me. I don't see reconciliation or negotiation. I will fight to the end, never giving any quarter--no matter what. I would rather be who I am than to be any other person who has ever lived. I am willing to see the truth of when irony is directed towards me. I feel I want what is the most real experience that any human being can have in the universe. I feel the truth about something always has a better potential for being useful to me than some falsification of that same truth. I am living a life so as to deserve to be happy when I die.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiz: Determining one's existential sincerity
No animosity present except which you impute. Go out and take a drive or walk. Ask yourself a simple question ... Where did I arrive?. That is the quiz, already preloaded. If your answer is mundane thus will be your reality. If your answer surrounds you with a silence born out of the gulf of unknowability then welcome to the ineffable. You are a smart lady. You will answer this quiz easily. You probably answered it already in your 10th-12th year. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: snip We require more than a quiz - especially one that is askew with concealed assumptions. Why doncha reveal some of those concealed assumptions so we know what the hell you're talking about? Better yet, why don't you create your own unskewed quiz? I'm a little puzzled at the animosity from you and Xeno generated by a set of questions designed for you to ask yourself, whose answers you score as you see fit. Seems pretty low-key to me. Why does it feel so threatening?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiz: Determining one's existential sincerity
Emily Nice deep question but one needing a trans-rational answer. I would advise searching for a famous book Venus on the Half-Shell by Kilgore Trout. In it the last remaining human goes around the universe searching for the definitive answer to the ultimate question ... Why are we born to suffer and die? You will find it all there - the whole bare-assed naked trooth. Be advised however ... you might not be ready for it. [File:Venusonahal.gif] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Emptybill, answer me this...what is the point of it all? From: emptybill emptybill@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quiz: Determining one's existential sincerity  No animosity present except which you impute. Go out and take a drive or walk. Ask yourself a simple question ... Where did I arrive?. That is the quiz, already preloaded. If your answer is mundane thus will be your reality. If your answer surrounds you with a silence born out of the gulf of unknowability then welcome to the ineffable. You are a smart lady. You will answer this quiz easily. You probably answered it already in your 10th-12th year. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: snip We require more than a quiz - especially one that is askew with concealed assumptions. Why doncha reveal some of those concealed assumptions so we know what the hell you're talking about? Better yet, why don't you create your own unskewed quiz? I'm a little puzzled at the animosity from you and Xeno generated by a set of questions designed for you to ask yourself, whose answers you score as you see fit. Seems pretty low-key to me. Why does it feel so threatening?
[FairfieldLife] Beyond 1st Person Ontology
Intersubjectivity in Indian and Tibetan Buddhism http://www.sbinstitute.com/sites/default/files/Intersubjectivity.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Re: even better
An even more extraordinary hymn is The Akathist Hymn to the Mother of God. It is a eulogy to the intersession of God into the cosmos as the divine-human incarnation due to the Virgin's (unwed Mother's) voluntary acceptance of God's grace. The hymn is by St. John Chrysostom and while this lenten hymn is beautiful as sung its real brilliance is is in the lyrics. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Emptybill, Extraordinary. I am grateful to you for giving me a religious experience I have never had before. The sense of something so real, something inspired by God. I feel I understand Russia much better now--the spirit of the Russian people. I feel I made contact with an unknown (to me) form of truth. Awe-inspiring. I hope I recover. :-) Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: This is what silence sounds like when it sings. This is why the communists, despite their brutal destruction and genocide, lost out in Russia. This is why Orthodox monasticism is still a living presence in spite of 70 years of oppression. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbl4u7CIMd0feature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Ohhh, love Gregorian chanting. I'll have to wait until I am back home before being able to fall into that revery. No speaker on my computer at work. Thanks!
[FairfieldLife] Re: even better
This is what silence sounds like when it sings. This is why the communists, despite their brutal destruction and genocide, lost out in Russia. This is why Orthodox monasticism is still a living presence in spite of 70 years of oppression. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbl4u7CIMd0feature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Ohhh, love Gregorian chanting. I'll have to wait until I am back home before being able to fall into that revery. No speaker on my computer at work. Thanks!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neo-Advaita is just confused advaita
Although I posted this article to the group recently , methinks you never read it. Your claim methinks advaita is only suitable for people already enlightened is a double entendre on the meaning of this article on traditional vedanta. http://www.shiningworld.com/top/images/stories/pub-pdfs/Articles/%281%29\ %20What%20is%20Advaita%20Vedanta.pdf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Read and see how - http://www.shiningworld.com/top/images/stories/pub-pdfs/Articles/%284%29\ \ %20Neo-Advaita.pdf Well, methinks advaita is only suitable for people already enlightened because, as the intellect (mahat, buddhi?) is born of prakRti (prakRter mahaan... -- SS), it's inevitably 'dvaita'?? puruSaartha-*shuuNyaanaam* guNaanaam[1] pratiprasavaH kaivalyam, svaruupapratiSthaa va citi-shakter iti. 1. sattva-rajas-tamasaaM saamyaavasthaa prakRtiH!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Batty Wright
Ann you miss so much. You've no doubt heard the teaching many times which points out the resultant karma for people who continually dwell upon the perceived faults of others. They take those faults upon themselves. In similar fashion, and unlike mere backbiters, Jude assumes the mantle of the vixen just so she can deliver others from the scourge of their afflictions. She steals bliss from the gods to deliver relief to the distressed by taking away their sins and then delivers it all into her own crucible of maladies faster than Fed-Ex overnight. Even more remarkable, she does all this before bedtime and her usual midnight hot toddy. This is why Robby accepts her defending him. He suspects that her secret sacrifice honors the blessed mother of god and knows he needs the backup, considering all he has unjustly done. So instead of praising her escape from the asylum, recognize that Jude Stone is actually a high bodhisattva. She is the protector bent upon delivering Soma-on-the-rocks to those tormented in the hell-fires of FFL and won't tolerate no wu-wu until everyone is adequately de-enlightened. All praise to the Stone of Judas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: No, no dear Barry. I think she is the smart one. Who wouldn't want to be forcefully removed from the loony bin? She, at least, has gotten out alive. She knew what she was doing, I'll bet you anything. If you don't know that, you have no idea about her and you've known (of her) a lot longer than I have.
[FairfieldLife] Neo-Advaita revealed as the New A
Read and finally understand
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neo-Advaita revealed as the New A
? oops New Advaita is just the new ahhh --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Read and finally understand
[FairfieldLife] Neo-Advaita is just confused advaita
Read and see how - http://www.shiningworld.com/top/images/stories/pub-pdfs/Articles/%284%29\ %20Neo-Advaita.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
Robin's Message 315852 Robin sez: Because, you see, emptybill, my intentions here on FFL, they are far more morally driven than your disgust and aversion to what I am doing. Emptybill sez: No disgust, no aversion not even disquiet. Admiration rather, since now I understand. You are just displaying your performance art - although seemingly bereft of quietude or contemplation. In truth, you appear as the blessed bitch of your totem-daimon, like a good and dutiful servant. Why you must certainly see your performances as confessional addendums to Truly, truly, I say unto thee . Aren't they literal prayers to have your efforts recognized as deserving? Robin sez: You don't like it and would have me acting perhaps as a more antic version of Lear's Foolor the cosmic harlequin whose nimble acrobatics are to seduce some would-be inamorato. Emptybill sez: Oh not so, not so. (See footnote 1) Robin: I conceive of acting in lovehowever differently it is perceived by you and a strong contingent of critics sympathetic to what you have said here. Emptybill sez: Isn't this the mark of Plato's true lover? Or is it rather the stamp of a Platonic motherfucker a lost soul coupling with prima materia? Isn't the Dark Lord a better lover of your deity than you? (See note 2) Robin sez: I will assume, however, that in having done so you will go about the rest of your day satisfied you have struck a blow for truthwhether your own truth, the truth of the Self, or the truth of something even higher. Emptybill sez: Contrary to you, I consider subjectivity as a human invariant but not a proof for an invariant personal identity. I have seen enough of my most recent past lifetime (along with other ones) to examine its workings, achievements and deceptions. (see note 3) Robin sez: I am sure, however, as I sit in this Starbucks, that were you able to join me, we might have some great conversation. I am nicer in person than I am on this forum. Emptybill sez: Yep, it would probably be worth our time around the table. However, I would chose something other than Starbucks fare. I rather think Woodford's Select Kentucky Bourbon would better fluidize the wheels of conversation. It might even warm the ontological heart of a Northern man. This universe is a stream of unbroken perceptions of Brahman. In all respects, it is nothing but Brahman. In all conditions, see Brahman with inner vision and a peaceful mind. As those with eyes see forms all around, thus the knowers of Brahman see nothing other than Brahman. Adi Shankara, Vivekachudamini, verse 522 1 This point is carefully explained in my pseudonymous book - Slavery is the Highest Enlightenment: the story of Om. by Anarkhia Sophos, Hierodule Publications, 2009 ed. 2 One tradition says: We are true the others false or we are esoteric the others are exoteric - yet the other traditions claim the opposite. Perhaps they should just fight each other unto oblivion to establish domination like the fierce battles between jews and muslims or christians and muslims. After all, this is what Shakti does she dances this Lila for the entertainment of her Lord. This is why yogins claim that all bhoga comes from bhaga all experience comes from a vagina. So can we genuinely claim this or is it rather that all pleasure and pain comes from a vagina? Which brings up another point about yoga. According to the Samkhya-Yoga synthesis, the procreatrix (prakriti) dances for her spectator (drishta) and will continue until she feels she is adequately seen and appreciated. Only then will she retire her dance and take a rest. Isn't that good ol' tricky trixy for you. Always on stage. Hmm sound familiar? Likewise, for those traditions that worship Vishnu only, in reality there is only one Purusha (literally the male). He is Narayana, Vishnu, Krishna and everything else is the opposite of him. Therefore, a soul is always female (a yoni-jiva). That means we are all yoni-s without regard to our physical gender. That also means we are all yoni-s or receptacles waiting to be filled with god's creative and procreative effluence. In Western parlance, we call this effluence seminal-raisons or logoi-spermatikoi. Thus: Conclusion 1: All meditation/contemplation/prayer is only about ultimate divine union because females such as we (the yoni-jivas) can never be satisfied by anything other than a god. Conclusion 2: Tantra, such as Gurudev performed to worship Shri Lakshmi, is a form of noetic and yogic etiquette defining the right view and right conduct towards the goddess-powers (devi-shaktis) who manifest and actualize this whole cosmos. Conclusion 3: we are all a bunch of pussies waiting to be filled by a god. Finis: This explains why I am bitch-slapped daily by the guna-s of Trixy the procreatrix to keep me in my place. This would also explain the high-indifference of god/gods to the sufferings in this world. Or as his eminence
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
You mean she couldn't bear the bare on FFL? How do you know what you know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:39 PM, feste37 wrote: We can agree to differ. If, as you suggest, Stupid Sal may be lurking here, she is free to delurk and reveal her stupidity and nastiness once more so we can all marvel at it. I brought her up because she came to mind as such a stark contrast to our newly arrived Saint Share, and I liked the alliterative ring of Saint Share vs. Stupid Sal. IIRC Saint Share actually was the person who ran the Fairfield Kiosk email list, set up as an alternative to the negativity of FFL. No negativity was allowed on this list and I believe it was moderated by her. At the time, apparently FFL was just to negative to bear. Needless to say, this sattvic alternative to FFL never took off - (must have been the artificial sweetners). And look who showed up here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
Yep, that's you. Truth-mocking, double-ironist and dissembler extrordinaire. Discursive conjurer continually on stage like any actor needing an audience. Will your totem-daimon ever recognize your feats so you can retire? Or like most stage actors will you need to keep it new to feel alive? First-person ontology? Searle notwithstanding - nothing but I am talking. Better yet, revelation , revelation ... I have subjectivity ... please believe I'm real. Ain't that always the mask wearer's plea? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: RESPONSE: Beyond Monty Python. There's irony, there's inadvertent irony, and then there's double-irony: in the latter case a person simulates outrage and bitterness, meanwhile (if you examine the subtext carefully) mocking the very existence of sincerity or innocence. Or even truth. One makes oneself vulnerable by believing in and feeling there is such a thing as truth. But if one wants to have the entirety of one's consciousness subject only to the secret delight of malice one makes certain one never commits oneself to believing anythingNot at least so as to become influenced by the objective demands that that truth would make upon us. The person who wrote this gives the appearance of believing in what he or she has said. But if you follow the meaning to its logical conclusion (becoming susceptible to its subtext) then one has the edifying spectacle of someone mocking the very idea there is something called truth. And the proof of this? There will never be any attempt to answer this post [MZ's] so as to contradict its categorical judgment. And, dear readers of FFL, you realize it would only take slightest nuance of feeling to utterly refute me. What is that feeling? Something that originates in sincerity. I am beginning to see why there is such a thing as having to die. For even the consummate practitioner of double-irony meets there a context of reality which transcends ironyand all of this reality bears down upon us with its almightiness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great Compassion Mantra of Kwan Yin
Share Message #315811 You must not realize that Kwan Shi Yin/Guan Shi Yin' is remembered with the Chinese pigeon-Sanskrit mantra namo guan shih yin pusa where pusa is just pigeon for bodhisattva. She is really the Chinese LGBT transgender version of the male Avalokiteshvara Bodhisattva whose Tibetan mantra is the well-known mantra om mani padme hung hrih. Apparently, Chinese Buddhists just couldn't bear to have a sympathetic, face-losing man as a patron who shed tears at the suffering cries of the world. Thus, they changed him to her. They apparently hoped for more mercy than possible when crying out Mommy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thank you so much Yifu. I love Kwan Yin. Am grateful that She showed up when She did. From: Yifu yifuxero@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 7:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Great Compassion Mantra of Kwan Yin  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Sy2LmvmYg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another reason FFLers should look into mindfulness
I have a long term friend who started training with Chogyam Trungpa in the early 1970's. He practiced in group and on retreats with Deirdre Blomfield-Brown (a.k.a. Pema Choedren). He also practiced with Thomas F. Rich, (a.k.a. Osel Tendzin) later declared by Trungpa to be his Vajra-Regent. When it was discovered that Osel Tendzin knew he was HIV positive and already had developed AIDS but hid that fact and then infected a 14 year old boy, the moral eruption that followed split the Vajradhatu community. During the tumult, it was Deirdre/Pema C. who refused to censure Osel's deadly actions but continually advised people Don't be judgmental, just meditate. Don't think bad about someone. It will all be o.k. My friend has always been clear that moral discipline (Sanskrit: shila) was one of the three foundations of Buddhist practice. The other two foundations are meditaion (dhyana) and insight (prajña). This is straight Buddhism 101. However, he knew and trained with them all, - Trungpa, Osel and Pema. To this day he will not consider anything Pema says to be worth considering. He has only distain for her advice at the time: We don't want to overshadow the Dharma. Just look on the positive. This is how the corruption of Dharma starts with just this kind of moral relativism. Guess they all hadn't read enough Thomas Aquinas. Better yet, since they worshipped all those Buddhist demons, what else should anyone expect? Better go get an expectorant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: To be without a reference point is the ultimate loneliness. It is also called enlightenment. Ani Pema Chodron Although I like Pema Chodron, I suspect that in this case her comment may have been taken out of context. There is a difference between a false reference point -- e.g., the belief that one knows the Truth -- and a useful reference point, which IMO involves merely living what life is, without any beliefs about its nature. Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire Buddhist nun and teacher in the Shambhala Buddhist lineage,a fully ordained bhikSuNI in a combination of the Mulasarvastivadin and Dharmaguptaka lineages of vinaya, from(2000), Six Kinds of Loneliness,used in this turquoiseb quoted still uncorrected proofs paper [:D] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7dtLIXE5fUfeature=results_videoplaynex\ t=1list=PL791ADAB1C3B2B940 What a nice discourse. 'Opening the door to Invincibility'. She's talking about TM and She's a Buddhist? -Buck in FF Central theme of her teachings is shenpa -usual translation of the word shenpa is attachment-, which she interprets as anger, low self-esteem, or addiction in response to an insult by another person or be hooked, that sticky feeling almost like having scabies- shenpa is the itch and it's the urge to scratch: Somebody says a mean word to you and then something in you tightens that's the shenpa. Then it starts to spiral into low self-esteem, or blaming them, or anger at them, denigrating yourself. And maybe if you have strong addictions, you just go right for your addiction to cover over the bad feeling that arose when that person said that mean word to you. This is a mean word that gets you, hooks you. Another mean word may not affect you but we're talking about where it touches that sore place that's a shenpa. This part I agree with fully, especially the aspect of attachment. Without attachment, words are just words. With attachment, they become much more -- triggers for our samskaras and a lingering indulgence in our addiction to the emotions once triggered by those same words. Someone criticizes you they criticize your work, they criticize your appearance, they criticize your child and, shenpa: almost co-arising. I would assume that her larger teaching has to do with the fact that shenpa need *not* be co-arising. One can detect it early, and avoid the problem before it arises into a manifest form such as anger or acting out. I'm starting to see glimmers of this avoiding the shenpa in 3-1/2-year-old Maya. Words or actions that once would have resulted in acting out and a quick trip to the Timeout Corner now result only in a quiz- ical look, as she feels the reaction start to build in her the way it did before, followed by a smile, as she lets it go and decides to do something else instead, something that will allow her to keep playing. That's one of the reasons Fairfield Life is sometimes a shock to me. I see people -- people who have been meditating for thirty to forty-plus years -- still as reactive to certain words and certain criticisms and certain actions as they probably were before they started
[FairfieldLife] Iranitea and Xeno: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
Reply to post #315421: Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know anymore, all your previous knowledge has been evaporated. There is a very good practice in Zen to cultivate the 'don't know' mind. Iranitea and Xeno, This don't know mind is difficult for TM trained people to comprehend. This is because MMY's whole teaching presents itself as the practice of direct, non-conceptual sensory perception resolving itself back into the field of awareness. Since that awareness is described in TM as all-knowing, these two types of teaching appear to contradict each other. However, the reality is different. Back in mid 80's, I practiced for a while at a Kwan Um Zen center. Later I practiced with Zen master Seung Sahn himself during some three-day retreats (Yong Maeng Jong Jin/Leaping like a tiger while sitting). He began by asking me questions I could not answer. What is your name, where do you come from? I hesitated with my answer since I had already read some of his Zen teachings. Seung Sahn laughed and said, This is easy your name is William and you came from you home in xyz. I said yes. Seung Sahn So just give your answer, it's easy. Then he asked me So tell me your true name before your parents gave you one? I was silent, unable to answer. He continued Then show me who you are before your parents were born! Quick, before thinking what is it? I was unable to answer. He then took his stick and poked me in the hara/duntien below my navel. Answer from here! Although I had practiced moving from the hara/duntien during twenty years of karate and tai chi, I still had no answer. I could only say I don't know. Seung Sahn looked at me directly and said, Under all conditions keep this don't-know mind. He then showed me a way to answer this question. Years later a teacher pointed out that what we believe we know are actually just concepts. For instance, whether we say The apple is red or Der apfel ist rot or La pommes est rouge, the object before us does not change because the name we select is either apple, apfel or pomme. Likewise, if we aggregate all possible descriptions and names together, we still have only labels rather than the actual object. We can cut it up for a pie, use it as a substitute baseball or stick an antenna on it and shoot it into space. However, none of these names, concepts or utilizations reveal to us what that object really is. Such a view directly points beyond mere description to what something actually and ultimately is, is, is. Thus, while we know that an apple is red in color, what is red? What is round? What is sweet? What is color? Also, just because we can describe a monochromatic spectral frequency and wavelength, this does not define what this something is, is, is. What is the consequence? Ultimate ineffability, real and actual unknowability whether self, other or a thing. Unless we realize that we can never know it, we will never understand that we can only be it and that such being it will never be attained but only actualized when we realize directly that we are already being itself. This is not SCI but it is the original MMY teaching about Shankara's three fields of life doing, knowing, being. BTW, As a trained TM teacher, when I heard such statements as You need to keep a `try mind', it appeared to be the antithesis of TM. It troubled me until I set aside my ideological mind-stamp and realized that they were actual talking about maintaining a resolute, single-minded intent, void of wavering. Such can be mindless ideology, bereft of awakened contemplation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know anymore, all your previous knowledge has been evaporated. There is a very good practice in Zen to cultivate the 'don't know' mind. If you like, read this http://www.kwanumzen.org/about-zen/three-letters-to-a-beginner/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
Vag You should give up trying to convince TM practitioners by paraphrasing ol' Gelugpa Lati Rinpoche and Rama Linga Ding Dong. As usual, your Buddhist Gelugpa idiot-olgy betrays you as a doctrinare. Go back to Shambhala, Maine and smoke some more chara-s. Then praise Shiva. You'll feel like you are going higher and higher. You can then tell everyone all about the vastness of your view. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks. This is clear and very helpful. Just one question: it seems you are using awareness, presence and remembering interchangeably (see snip below). Am I understanding correctly? over-arching awareness or presence. It's the over-arching remembering In this model, awareness becomes sheer-awareness, which dissolves into nondual presence. All three are maintained and supported by an over-arching mindfulness. Combined with introspection we can thus develop a type of metacognition that can operate as a kind of quality control for quickly detecting laxity or mental over-excitation. In Buddhist tradition, a mind that can falls into laxity or over-excitation is considered dysfunctional. Heaven forbid we actually train our mindstream as dysfunctional because of institutionalized fear of balanced attention! ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iranitea and Xeno: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
Emily, Many times the observation has been asserted that parents are the first guru, teacher the second but life itself is the ultimate guru. You prove the case. Bravo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip Unless we realize that we can never know it, we will never understand that we can only be it, and that such being it will never be attained but only actualized when we realize  directly that we are already being itself. I like this a lot and I liked the story associated with it as well.  I have come to a similar conclusion (first two phrases at least as I have issues with acknowledging my existence) without any long-term meditative practice and without having immersed myself in theological and philosophical texts.  It is simply life that has brought me to this place.  From: emptybill emptybill@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iranitea and Xeno: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation  Reply to post #315421: Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know anymore, all your previous knowledge has been evaporated. There is a very good practice in Zen to cultivate the 'don't know' mind. Iranitea and Xeno,  This don't know mind is difficult for TM trained people to comprehend. This is because MMY's whole teaching presents itself as the practice of direct, non-conceptual sensory perception resolving itself back into the field of awareness. Since that awareness is described in TM as all-knowing, these two types of teaching appear to contradict each other. However, the reality is different.  Back in mid 80's, I practiced for a while at a Kwan Um Zen center. Later I practiced with Zen master Seung Sahn himself during some three-day retreats (Yong Maeng Jong Jin/Leaping like a tiger while sitting). He began by asking me questions I could not answer. What is your name, where do you come from? I hesitated with my answer since I had already read some of his Zen teachings. Seung Sahn laughed and said, This is easy ⦠your name is William and you came from you home in xyz. I said yes. Seung Sahn â¦So just give your answer, it's easy. Then he asked me ⦠So tell me your true name before your parents gave you one? I was silent, unable to answer. He continued ⦠Then show me who you are before your parents were born! Quick, before thinking ⦠what is it? I was unable to answer. He then took his stick and poked me in the hara/duntien below my navel.  Answer from here! Although I had practiced moving from the hara/duntien during twenty years of karate and tai chi, I still had no answer. I could only say â I don't know. Seung Sahn looked at me directly and said, Under all conditions keep this don't-know mind. He then showed me a way to answer this question. Years later a teacher pointed out that what we believe we know are actually just concepts. For instance, whether we say The apple is red or Der apfel ist rot or La pommes est rouge, the object before us does not change because the name we select is either apple, apfel or pomme. Likewise, if we aggregate all possible descriptions and names together, we still have only labels rather than the actual object. We can cut it up for a pie, use it as a substitute baseball or stick an antenna on it and shoot it into space. However, none of these names, concepts or utilizations reveal to us what that object really is. Such a view directly points beyond mere description to what something actually and ultimately is, is, is. Thus, while we know that an apple is red in color, what is red? What is round? What is sweet? What is color?  Also, just because we can describe a monochromatic spectral frequency and wavelength, this does not define what this something is, is, is. What is the consequence? Ultimate ineffability, real and actual unknowability ⦠whether self, other or a thing. Unless we realize that we can never know it, we will never understand that we can only be it and that such being it will never be attained but only actualized when we realize  directly that we are already being itself. This is not SCI but it is the original MMY teaching about Shankara's three fields of life ⦠doing, knowing, being.  BTW, As a trained TM teacher, when I heard such statements as You need to keep a `try mind', it appeared to be the antithesis of TM. It troubled me until I set aside my ideological mind-stamp and realized that they were actual talking about maintaining a resolute, single-minded intent, void of wavering. Such can be mindless ideology, bereft of awakened contemplation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know anymore, all your previous knowledge has been evaporated. There is a very
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
Lawson, As SSRS discussed many times, abiding in silent awareness during meditation happens naturally in TM practice that is if someone has meditated for a long time following proper instruction. He further clarified that if a practitioner continues to maintain an effortless TM practice, then they do not need Sahaj meditation. That is because they have already realized what he is pointing out and are practicing accordingly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Determining whether or not the mantra is subtle isn't part of TM practice. Nor does it matter that it doesn't matter. If you're doing TM, then you follow the instructions, if you don't follow the instructions, such as they are, then you're not doing TM. Of course, follow the instructions can be kind of vauge sometimes, but that's as OK as any other part of the process. As long as you can think a thought, you can meditate. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Oh dear, for the last 39 years I've been doing TM improperly. The horror. Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know anymore, all your previous knowledge has been evaporated. There is a very good practice in Zen to cultivate the 'don't know' mind. If you like, read this http://www.kwanumzen.org/about-zen/three-letters-to-a-beginner/ I have been practicing TM for a long time, and I do think this 'don't know' mind has come about. A long long time ago I learned mindfulness, and found at that time it was rather difficult, or perhaps because my mind would not settle down then, annoying. Lately though the character of TM and mindfulness just seem to have merged; it does not matter anymore. It does not matter whether the mantra is there or not, or if I notice that the mantra is not there, it does not matter if I start it again or not. It actually seems as if there are no subtle levels of the mantra at all. I think it helps to find alternative explanations, to try to find different ways to explain the same thing. This is easy to do with metaphysics because there are no facts. The scientist Richard Feynman would attack physics problems this way, he would try to find alternative ways to explain various phenomena, and of course he was ultimately constrained by facts, what the experiments showed. This keeps thinking more flexible, and when you do this, you are breaking the potential for doctrinaire ossification of belief. You step outside on a fine sunny day and there is all this stuff and instead of saying, 'Well, there is a pond, and trees, and clouds'; you just feel 'Wow!', And then if that could be expressed in more concrete conceptual terms it might be something like 'What is all this?'. A certain freshness imbues experience because you do not know what is going to happen and you are not thinking about what things are and what they might become.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
If this is what you meant as my point Lawson sez: And again: noticing something, however subtle, even the first glimmering of awareness of awareness, is no longer pure consciousness. Empty Bill sez: Theny ou do not understand what the witness actually is. However,if you are referring to a point that is different, then please restate you point. Lawson also sez: There are two different comments I have heard on this topic that apply, at least for me: 1. there is no end to how subtle the mantra can become. 2. the thought OF the mantra is still the mantra. Empty Bill sez: 1.There is indeed an end to the subtlety of the mantra. According to Patanjali, the scale of subtlety terminatesin the a-linga the quality of unmarked, non-differentiation (YS 1.45). Thus,whether an object is a physical quanta or a subjective thought, pradhana/prakritiis the final field of subtlety. Empty Bill further sez about your claim that - 2. The thought OF the mantra is NOT the mantra. If your statement were true then simply the thought mantrawould equally qualify as the mantra. A thought of or thought about the mantra is simply a thought that is all. The actual meditation bija-mantra is that human speech sound pronounced by the initiating teacher. Any thought that is eitherof or about the bija-mantra, is a relational remembrance a signal to return to the mantra but is not the mantra itself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Many words, none of which address my point. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: One of the first signs of the progressive development of CC is the simultaneous presence of pure awareness together with either the mantra or thought(s). You are not accounting for this development but are treating pure consciousness only in the exclusionary terms of TC. MMY never treated CC as a sudden appearance but rather as a gradual refinement and clarification of the gross and subtle values of the nervous system. MMY emphasized that Pure Awareness/Pure Consciousness is always present because it is the who in who-we-are. He always pointed to this as the reason anyone might transcend spontaneously during ordinary human experience and that, in fact, such had happened many times in documented human history. Shankara, for his part, pointed out that the sakshi/witness is what we are and can never be generated by any yoga, quality of knowing or any activity. Lawson sez: Buddhists and other traditions warn of getting trapped in subtle experiences. As presented, and argued, the instruction is to revel in the trap, in the guise of calling it something other than a trap. Another case of sweet poison, which SSRS appears to indulge in a lot, it seems. To bad you need to make such claims. You are so poorly informed about other meditative traditions that you believe you can include them as a misfit proof of your assertions. When you make a claim such as the one above you demonstrate that you are a clueless TM ideologue. Robin gets a pass because when he generalizes about The East everyone here knows he has no clue about these traditions. You, however, present yourself as if you understood them when you so obviously do not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
is, and you know what deep silence is, but they are still separate. When they come together, in fact, you still cannot imagine it, but you know. But how to say it, you are mute. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: I'll put it differently: if there is a choice, there is also a chooser. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: You're sure about this, are you... L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: And again: noticing something, however subtle, even the first glimmering of awareness of awareness, is no longer pure consciousness. Lawson, not trying to be arrogant here, but the states Empty and I are talking about, you simply don't know. You really have no glue. You are just talking from a script. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Thank you Empty, this is simply superb, best post of the week IMHO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Lawson. You do not seem to understand SSRS's instructions about meditation with a mantra. Is this because you have never heard those instructions? SSRS pointed out that a meditator does not need to place attention back upon the mantra during meditation just because they become aware they are not thinking the mantra. Recognition of not thinking the mantra does not itself constitute a requirement to think the mantra. Likewise, the realization of not thinking the mantra does not, in itself, constitute a form of thinking. The reason is simple. The nature of awareness is witnessing (sakshi-j�ana). This is pure Vedanta. When the field of experience subsides with the ceasing (nirodha) of every external or internal experience, including the termination of I-consciousness (aham-pratyaya), what remains is the awareness that is naturally present as the inner self (pratyag-atman). Awareness is a seer (drista). It is not the cognizer of a cognitive activity (pramata). It is not a knower (j�aatri), a doer (kartri) or an enjoyer (bhoktri) but rather is knowingness itself. The seer is the witness-consciousness (sakshin) which witnesses the ending of all forms of experience during meditation and simply remains as is, uninvolved and prior to all experience. SSRS's instruction is founded upon this realization and is the pointing-out instruction which allows meditators to remain as they truly are. They remain, during this period of silent awareness, as sheer seeing (dristi-matrataa) until cognitive, affective or sensory activity causes limited identification once again. Thus recognizing or remembering the mantra occurs as a natural consequence rather than from a demand to think the mantra. ..
[FairfieldLife] SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
Lawson. You do not seem to understand SSRS's instructions about meditation with a mantra. Is this because you have never heard those instructions? SSRS pointed out that a meditator does not need to place attention back upon the mantra during meditation just because they become aware they are not thinking the mantra. Recognition of not thinking the mantra does not itself constitute a requirement to think the mantra. Likewise, the realization of not thinking the mantra does not, in itself, constitute a form of thinking. The reason is simple. The nature of awareness is witnessing (sakshi-jñana). This is pure Vedanta. When the field of experience subsides with the ceasing (nirodha) of every external or internal experience, including the termination of I-consciousness (aham-pratyaya), what remains is the awareness that is naturally present as the inner self (pratyag-atman). Awareness is a seer (drista). It is not the cognizer of a cognitive activity (pramata). It is not a knower (jñaatri), a doer (kartri) or an enjoyer (bhoktri) but rather is knowingness itself. The seer is the witness-consciousness (sakshin) which witnesses the ending of all forms of experience during meditation and simply remains as is, uninvolved and prior to all experience. SSRS's instruction is founded upon this realization and is the pointing-out instruction which allows meditators to remain as they truly are. They remain, during this period of silent awareness, as sheer seeing (dristi-matrataa) until cognitive, affective or sensory activity causes limited identification once again. Thus recognizing or remembering the mantra occurs as a natural consequence rather than from a demand to think the mantra. \ .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: [...] Though it proly would not work for TM to broadside SSRavi Shankar as his meditation is so like TM; evidently is also 'effortless' though he uses different mantras. Can't pick the same fight over 'effortlessness' that way as with the Buddhists so evidently AOL for as large as it is, is strategically ignored. From what I hear, SSRS has decided that people should not bother returning to the mantra if they find themselves in pure consciousness. That is an important distinction, if correct, and to me, it misses the point of TM: Well, 'pure consciousness' is one of those correct experiences of meditation listed in the TM second nite lecture. Pure consciousness during TM is no more or less correct than falling asleep or having an itch. Sitting activated by transcending in Brahman could be that too. Though yours is an interesting explanation about how some TM'ers can look so spiritually anemic after decades of their mental practice interrupting their silence coming back to the mantra. Possbly explains why folks may have withered away from meditating for lack of cultivated experience. It is an interesting distinction in the sublimity of meditation practice. Of course, constantly coming back to a mantra dovetails for someone disposed with an active mind as in, 'keep on keeping on'. It gives them something to do. It seems some have done that for decades based on instruction. You make a really interesting distinction. So you agree with SSRS on this, i take it. Been checked lately? if you can notice you are not thinking the mantra, you are no longer in PC anyway, so there's no point in enjoying it, as you aren't really there. You're just fooling yourself. Om,and who is fooling who with that description? WHo is not fooling who for that matter? Are you trying to make some point or merely score points? BTW, I know that people like to think that SSRS has taught many millions to meditate, but in fact, the group meditation that he led a few years ago, as far as I can tell, was just a do your own thing. It wasn't that many people practicing what his organization teaches. ANd the primary focus of the AOL is breathing exercise, not meditation, as I understand it. L.
[FairfieldLife] Just for Nabby - CIA agent says it was true
A former CIA agent is going on the record to say the alleged UFO incident on July 8, 1947, in Roswell, N.M., really happened, the Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2170831/Roswell-UFO-land\ ing-CIA-agent-Chase-Brandon-speaks-65th-anniversary.html and other news organizations report. By Jayne Clark, USA TODAY Chase Brandon, who worked 35 years with the CIA, said documents regarding the alleged landing of beings from outer space are locked up at the CIA's headquarters in Langley, Va. It was in a vaulted area - there was one box that really caught my eye, the Daily Mail quotes Brandon as saying. It had one word on it: Roswell. I rummaged inside it, put the box on the shelf and said, 'My God, it really happened.' It was in a vaulted area - there was one box that really caught my eye, the Daily Mail quotes Brandon as saying. It had one word on it: Roswell. I rummaged inside it, put the box on the shelf and said, 'My God, it really happened.' Brandon makes the comments during the 65th anniversary of the alleged incident, which military officials initially explained as the capture of a disc, but later explained away as a weather balloon, according to the Daily Mail. It was not a weather balloon - it was what people first reported, the news organization quotes Brandon as saying. The Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/08/roswell-ufo-cia-agent-chase-br\ andon_n_1657077.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp0003 quotes Brandon as saying, It was a craft that clearly did not come from this planet. Brandon worked as an undercover, covert operations officer in the CIA's Clandestine Service, where he focused on missions on international terrorism, counterinsurgency, global narcotics and weapons smuggling, according to Huffington. He spent his final decade with the agency as liaison to the entertainment and publication industries, and it was during this time - in the mid 1990s - that he walked into the vaulted Historical Intelligence Collection area at CIA headquarters, according to the news organization. Brandon said the box contained written material and photographs, according to Huffington. That's all I will ever say to anybody about the contents of that box, Huffington quoted Brandon as saying. But it absolutely for me was the single validating moment that everything I had believed and knew that so many others believed had happened truly was what occurred.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Is Intellectual Humility?
Robin sez: I don't display it. I hide it inside my insufferable arrogance. That way it becomes a sort of embodied koan. I think I need to make my definition a little clearer, empty bill. Oh, and by the way: I like getting humbled. So, keep at it. Robin, Please enough with the self-effacement. You may not realize it, but I lived a few years in a monastery. Consequently, I have some experience of adopting a demeanor of verbal modesty while focusing upon humility. While I can appreciate humility as a psychic orientation that tempers the egos of the unreflective, you don't quite fit that category. Has it occurred to you that humility may have nothing to say about itself? That humility may remain not only silent about itself but also disinterested? That very disinterest may signal not only lack of identification with ordinary pride, honor and self-esteem but also may signal attenuation or even absence of identification with psyche, soul or self. In fact, such an actual disinterest may never yield to entifying or reifying human subjectivity at all. Likewise, many here on FFL entify by using the phrase the ego. This Latin word merely translates into the English word I . And although it may appear to be only a matter of grammar, placing the English definite article the in front of ego reifies it into a quasi-substance. We know what the `I' represents in the use of our common English language. Perhaps that is its only function and sole reality. Like the shadow of a broom sweeping the stairs, it may never actually reduce the dust. Perhaps any first person ontology which does not recognize this fact is destined to wander in the ocean of illusion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Empty Bill, I don't display it. I hide it inside my insufferable arrogance. That way it becomes a sort of embodied koan. I think I need to make my definition a little clearer, empty bill. Oh, and by the way: I like getting humbled. So, keep at it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Where and when on this group have you ever displayed humility? And please don't give us the old I'm humble before God. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 07/08/2012 10:56 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote: http://www.bigquestionsonline.com/content/what-it-be-intellectually-humb\ \ le My tantra guru always emphasizes being humble because regardless of what you experience or learn there will always be more to learn and experience. It is, after all, an infinite process. Intellect is frequently selective. Don't ask me about sports because I don't know a damn thing about it and I grew up in a sports crazed family with a father who was planning on being a college coach with a math minor but due to Great Depression did not finish college. Yeah, I inherited the math minor part. ;-) So regardless of how bright someone is they are frequently weak in some area (and with many intellectuals that may of well be athletics). So while I lowered the class curve in academics in my small town school my peers didn't mind so much because I was a klutz when it came to sports. My parents also emphasized not lording ones intellectual ability in the same way my guru does as there will always be someone brighter. And at that I don't see people often as dumber' but just lazy minded apparently because that has become popular due to this bad practice of raising self esteem the last 20 or so years in schools. I'm more in favor of lifting people up rather than keeping them down. To bad so many of our leaders don't believe in that. RESPONSE: I don't think about humility quite like this, Bhairitu. I think of it more like *a state of consciousness*, where one is given the grace to know that one is a contingent and created being (without a necessary existence), and in objectively experiencing through one's subjectivity, this truth, one endears oneself (as it were) to the intelligence and reality which has caused one's existence. So for me, humility is a very real, almost physical thing. It determines even one's perception, and ideally is to be incorporated into one's personalityas in the paradigmatic example of Saint Francis of Assisi. He became the embodiment of humility, and this was what drew him as close to God (or what I would now refer to as Reality) as any human being has ever been. No, humility is a kind of grace which allows one to feel metaphysical nuances which are, perceptually and experientially, incompatible with pride and egotism and a sense of wanting to protect one's status. Humilitythe really creative (non-mood-making kind!) and intelligent kindis almost
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Is Intellectual Humility?
Where and when on this group have you ever displayed humility? And please don't give us the old I'm humble before God. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 07/08/2012 10:56 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote: http://www.bigquestionsonline.com/content/what-it-be-intellectually-humb\ le My tantra guru always emphasizes being humble because regardless of what you experience or learn there will always be more to learn and experience. It is, after all, an infinite process. Intellect is frequently selective. Don't ask me about sports because I don't know a damn thing about it and I grew up in a sports crazed family with a father who was planning on being a college coach with a math minor but due to Great Depression did not finish college. Yeah, I inherited the math minor part. ;-) So regardless of how bright someone is they are frequently weak in some area (and with many intellectuals that may of well be athletics). So while I lowered the class curve in academics in my small town school my peers didn't mind so much because I was a klutz when it came to sports. My parents also emphasized not lording ones intellectual ability in the same way my guru does as there will always be someone brighter. And at that I don't see people often as dumber' but just lazy minded apparently because that has become popular due to this bad practice of raising self esteem the last 20 or so years in schools. I'm more in favor of lifting people up rather than keeping them down. To bad so many of our leaders don't believe in that. RESPONSE: I don't think about humility quite like this, Bhairitu. I think of it more like *a state of consciousness*, where one is given the grace to know that one is a contingent and created being (without a necessary existence), and in objectively experiencing through one's subjectivity, this truth, one endears oneself (as it were) to the intelligence and reality which has caused one's existence. So for me, humility is a very real, almost physical thing. It determines even one's perception, and ideally is to be incorporated into one's personalityas in the paradigmatic example of Saint Francis of Assisi. He became the embodiment of humility, and this was what drew him as close to God (or what I would now refer to as Reality) as any human being has ever been. No, humility is a kind of grace which allows one to feel metaphysical nuances which are, perceptually and experientially, incompatible with pride and egotism and a sense of wanting to protect one's status. Humilitythe really creative (non-mood-making kind!) and intelligent kindis almost a secret mode of orientation of oneself towards reality. And it yields up plenty of suffering and doubt and confusion; but in the end it tends to heal and make one understand what is the very hardest thing to understand: the terrible mystery of providence. But of course I must be humble here in asserting my opinion of humility. :-) From what you say here you must have missed knowing that the artistic Roger Federer was resurrected at Wimbledon. Humility is, as Charlie Sheen once would have said: WINNING! If it can be said, Bhairitu, I even deem humility the first prerequisite for finding the right kind of irony . I agree of course with what you say about everyone having a weakness. No one is excluded from this, I think. But humility goes beyond apprehending this; I see humility as as the most efficient way to go about seeing and knowing Creation, for what it really is. As a mathematics major you must know something about David Chalmers: for me I feel his mathematical genius provides him a certain kind of (unconscious) humility which enables him to say the most interesting things about consciousness that anyone has ever said yet. Leonard Cohen, he has a kind of creative humility too. Maharishi, I think he was oblivious to this 'natural law'. :-) And this really is a downside now for those who remain loyal and devoted to him and his teaching. Because he is the wrong kind of model to emulateNo one can emulate Maharishiand this shows. (We did a good job of attempting this in the seventies; after that, the clock struck twelve and our carriage turned into a pumpkin.)
