Re: [gecko]What happened to the magazine Gekko?
Hi Yehudah ~ What issues is your last? Up to Gekko 5.2 came out by December 2008. Chit Chat #21 was published in June 2009. Nothing since. I will say that I've heard both Gekko 6.1 and Chit Chat #22 have been laid out and are about to be printed. The delay is a very long story with a nearly totally new Board in January 2009. For details I recommend you post current president Julie Bergman at _gec...@cal.net_ (mailto:gec...@cal.net) . Just be aware that a new website has been promised for over one year. The new Board is having much trouble getting their act together. Just remember that I once was a staunch GGA supporter. Now I truly don't know where GGa's future lies. Thanks for asking, Elizabeth Freer elizabethfr...@yahoo.com In a message dated 6/22/2010 5:45:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, yehuda...@yahoo.com writes: Dear Gecko-inclined friends, I think I have already asked but got no answer? What happened to the nice little magazine Gekko after John Rudge stoopped to edit? They somehow autotomized me and/or disppeared. Thanks for any attention but better use my e-mail, below. Yehudah Yehudah L. Werner Professor Emeritus of Zoology Department of Evolution, Systematics and Ecology The Hebrew University of Jerusalem 91904 Jerusalem, Israel Tel. 972-2-6585874 (direct) ***NEW*** Fax 972-2-6585711 (departmental office) e-mail yehuda...@yahoo.com Home tel./fax 972-2-5665576 Liz the lizards One earth, let's do our best..
Re: [gecko]What happened to the magazine Gekko?
Oops, wrong e-mail. My e-mail is _elizabethfr...@aol.com_ (mailto:elizabethfr...@aol.com) In a message dated 6/22/2010 7:08:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, elizabethfr...@aol.com writes: Hi Yehudah ~ What issue is your last? Up to Gekko 5.2 came out by December 2008. Chit Chat #21 was published in June 2009. Nothing since. I will say that I've heard both Gekko 6.1 and Chit Chat #22 have been laid out and are about to be printed. The delay is a very long story with a nearly totally new Board in January 2009. For details I recommend you post current president Julie Bergman at _gec...@cal.net_ (mailto:gec...@cal.net) . Just be aware that a new website has been promised for over one year. The new Board is having much trouble getting their act together. Just remember that I once was a staunch GGA supporter. Now I truly don't know where GGa's future lies. Thanks for asking, Elizabeth Freer elizabethfr...@aol.com
Re: [gecko]leopard gecko test for new (kid) keepers
Jason ~ Do you think you will ever return to the hobby if not to breed, just for some pets? Check out Geckos Unlimited with over 20,000+ geckophiles to view much about our well-loved critters. Elizabeth Freer In a message dated 6/22/2010 10:27:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hod...@yahoo.com writes: Hi Joe, Your test looks pretty good to me, and I think it's a great idea, by the way. People could argue for pet questions (no pun intended) they think a new keeper should know the answers to, but really anything that demonstrates someone has the level of interest to seek out information before making a purchase is the goal, I think. When I started out in keeping geckos, I had the advantages of an obsession that kept me reading constantly about them and a mother that wouldn't allow them, so I did a lot of reading and attended a lot of shows over several y ears before I moved out on my own and actually made my first purchase. Things went really well for me off the bat, I hatched my first eggs 8 months after buying my first pair of Standing's day geckos and that first pair was with me for 6 years (and 60+ offspring) before I gave up the hobby and found a new home for them (and I hope they're still going strong, although that was about 12 years ago), and I attribute that to the research I did beforehand. Kudos for encouraging responsible pet ownership, if I saw your attitude in every reptile keeper I met I'd probably still be breeding geckos today. Take it easy, Jason I have not failed, I've found 10,000 ways that won't work. - Thomas Edison --- On Sun, 6/20/10, Joseph Loucek jclou...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joseph Loucek jclou...@yahoo.com Subject: [gecko]leopard gecko test for new (kid) keepers To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 10:20 AM Hey Gang - Does anyone have a test to give to a potential new 11 year old keeper? A guy at work asked me about leopard geckos, and I told him I'd make up a 20 or so test for his son to pass (and the parents, too). So, thinking about it for about a week or two, I came up with these 20 questions. What do you think? Should I change, add or remove any? The test is designed for the kid who has never had a pet reptile before, and all the sudden wants one. What can we do to make sure they are ready? Just sitting here, I thought of another question, so I am up to 21. (questions are below) Thanks, Joe 1. Where are your 2 closest pet stores? 2. How often should you clean the cage? 3. How often should you change the water? 4. Where are leopard geckos from? 5. Why do you want a captive-bred leopard gecko (as opposed to a wild caught)? 6. What kind of mineral supplements should you give your leopard gecko? ( I might need help answering this one - has anything changed in the last 3-5 years?) 7. How big a cage will you need for your leopard gecko? 8. What kind of substrate (cage liner) should you use? 9. What temperature range is a leopard gecko most comfortable? 10. How will you maintain that temperature, especially in the winter? 11. How can you help you leopard gecko shed skin off its toes? 12. How many male leopard geckos can you keep in one cage? 13. When is a leopard gecko most active? 14. True or false: It is acceptable to mix different species of reptiles together in one enclosure. 15. How will you clean and disinfect the cage? How often? (what do you all think - clean weekly, disinfect quarterly?) 16. Does your leopard gecko need a hide box? If so, what will you use? If not, why not? 17. How often should you feed your leopard gecko? 18. What will your leopard gecko be fed? 19. What is the scientific name for the leopard gecko? 20. What is thermal gradient, and how will you achieve it in your leopard gecko's cage? 21. What is the life expectency of a leopard gecko? What will you do with it when you go off to college? Liz the lizards One earth, let's do our best..
[gecko]Julie ~ Chit Chat #22 and Gekko 6.1
Julie ~ Has Chit Chat #22 and Gekko 6.1 hit the printer's yet? Is the membership up-to-date and ready to roll with the new publications? All these delays are difficult and significantly damage the potential of the GGa. Chit Chat #21 was published in June 2009, thanks to Leann and the Year Five GGa team. Moreover, recently you told me that the new GGa website is not one of the current Board's priorities. I thought that was one reason why Brittney Gougeon accepted the position as the GGa's new webmaster. Elizabeth
[gecko]New GGA website
Last I heard was that GGa's new website was to debut in early March 2010. Has anyone heard or seen anything? Elizabeth
Re: [gecko]New GGA website
No, the old site is mostly functional EXCEPT FOR the Classifieds. The GGA was after a new look, so Greg stepped down last summer. Elizabeth In a message dated 3/14/2010 4:27:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lylepue...@optonline.net writes: has the old site been removed? Lyle Lyle Puente My Brothers Banned _http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com_ (http://www.mybrothersbanned.com/) _http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned_ (http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned) On Mar 14, 2010, at 7:15 PM, _elizabethfr...@aol.com_ (mailto:elizabethfr...@aol.com) wrote: Hey Ron ~ Not this current website, but a brand new one through Reptile Culture. Brittney Gougeon is GGa's new webmaster. Elizabeth In a message dated 3/14/2010 3:54:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _rrons...@aol.com_ (mailto:rrons...@aol.com) writes: New Website??? Let me take a peek Ron Van Heest -Original Message- From: _elizabethfr...@aol.com_ (mailto:elizabethfr...@aol.com) To: _ge...@lists.gekkota.com_ (mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Cc: _elizabethfr...@aol.com_ (mailto:elizabethfr...@aol.com) Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:43 pm Subject: [gecko]New GGA website Last I heard was that GGa's new website was to debut in early March 2010. Has anyone heard or seen anything? Elizabeth =
Re: [gecko]New GGA website
Well, Lyle, you are lucky! Elizabeth In a message dated 3/14/2010 4:40:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lylepue...@optonline.net writes: phew, I was rather fond of it Lyle Lyle Puente My Brothers Banned _http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com_ (http://www.mybrothersbanned.com/) _http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned_ (http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned) On Mar 14, 2010, at 7:33 PM, _rrons...@aol.com_ (mailto:rrons...@aol.com) wrote: old site is still up Ron -Original Message- From: Lyle Puente _lylepue...@optonline.net_ (mailto:lylepue...@optonline.net) To: _ge...@lists.gekkota.com_ (mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [gecko]New GGA website has the old site been removed? Lyle Lyle Puente My Brothers Banned _http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com_ (http://www.mybrothersbanned.com/) _http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned_ (http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned) On Mar 14, 2010, at 7:15 PM, _elizabethfr...@aol.com_ (mailto:elizabethfr...@aol.com) wrote: Hey Ron ~ Not this current website, but a brand new one through Reptile Culture. Brittney Gougeon is GGa's new webmaster. Elizabeth In a message dated 3/14/2010 3:54:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _rrons...@aol.com_ (mailto:rrons...@aol.com) writes: New Website??? Let me take a peek Ron Van Heest -Original Message- From: _elizabethfr...@aol.com_ (mailto:elizabethfr...@aol.com) To: _ge...@lists.gekkota.com_ (mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Cc: _elizabethfr...@aol.com_ (mailto:elizabethfr...@aol.com) Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:43 pm Subject: [gecko]New GGA website Last I heard was that GGa's new website was to debut in early March 2010. Has anyone heard or seen anything? Elizabeth = =
Re: [gecko]New GGA website
I hope the new site will have an even more inclusive Gecko Sound section. It would be nice if the sounds could be voice synchronized with a video of the gecko making the sound. I know, BIG hopes ;-) A picture of the gecko making the recorded vocalization would be nice. Elizabeth In a message dated 3/14/2010 4:47:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rrons...@aol.com writes: Me too, especially the gecko sounds. Ron -Original Message- From: Lyle Puente lylepue...@optonline.net To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [gecko]New GGA website phew, I was rather fond of it Lyle Lyle Puente My Brothers Banned _http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com_ (http://www.mybrothersbanned.com/) _http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned_ (http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned) On Mar 14, 2010, at 7:33 PM, _rrons...@aol.com_ (mailto:rrons...@aol.com) wrote: old site is still up Ron -Original Message- From: Lyle Puente _lylepue...@optonline.net_ (mailto:lylepue...@optonline.net) To: _ge...@lists.gekkota.com_ (mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [gecko]New GGA website has the old site been removed? Lyle Lyle Puente My Brothers Banned _http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com_ (http://www.mybrothersbanned.com/) _http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned_ (http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned) On Mar 14, 2010, at 7:15 PM, _elizabethfr...@aol.com_ (mailto:elizabethfr...@aol.com) wrote: Hey Ron ~ Not this current website, but a brand new one through Reptile Culture. Brittney Gougeon is GGa's new webmaster. Elizabeth In a message dated 3/14/2010 3:54:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _rrons...@aol.com_ (mailto:rrons...@aol.com) writes: New Website??? Let me take a peek Ron Van Heest -Original Message- From: _elizabethfr...@aol.com_ (mailto:elizabethfr...@aol.com) To: _ge...@lists.gekkota.com_ (mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Cc: _elizabethfr...@aol.com_ (mailto:elizabethfr...@aol.com) Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:43 pm Subject: [gecko]New GGA website Last I heard was that GGa's new website was to debut in early March 2010. Has anyone heard or seen anything? Elizabeth = =
Re: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key
Hi Joe ~ How does it feel to be geckoless for the first time in 28 years (!)? Elizabeth In a message dated 10/4/2009 8:08:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jclou...@yahoo.com writes: Hey Ron - Thanks for dropping Raxworthy's name. I was able to find one of his articles that had a dichotomous key to the Phelsuma of Madagsacar, and through State Library of Ohio's Electronic Journal Center, I got an electronic copy. take care, Joe Geckoless for the first time in 28 years. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, rrons...@aol.com rrons...@aol.com wrote: From: rrons...@aol.com rrons...@aol.com Subject: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 3:47 PM Hello, I actually have the original description of Phelsuma standingi and can send you a picture of the page where it is described (I don't have a scanner), if you contact me off server. You could also try contacting Chris Raxworthy at the American Museum of Natural History Herpetology Department or Miguel Vences and/or Franco Andreone (they both really have nice websites). There may be a key that I'm not aware of. Ron Van Heest
Re: [gecko]leopard gex problem
Oops Bev ~ I should have realized that! Hope Ron's leo is doing alright. Thanks for providing a correction. Elizabeth In a message dated 8/24/2008 1:24:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/20/2008 7:58:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fellow Gekkotan brethren, One of my girls (Eublepharis macularius) recebtly shed and one of the eyes has become infected. I'm geussing that the skin over the eye hasn't come off. Any suggestins? Ron Van Heest Reno, NV What are the symptoms that you interpret as infection? Leos don't shed an eyecap like snakes and geckos that don't have eyelids -- in those animals the 'eyelid' is permanently closed, sealed and transparent, so there's something to shed. One time one of my leos got a piece of shed skin in her eye. It moved around under the eyelid, sometimes covering part of the eye. It didn't seem to bother her a bit, but after a week or so of waiting for her to get rid of it herself I got it off by touching an exposed part of it with a wet cotton swab. I hope this helps. ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [gecko]leopard gex problem
Ron ~ Have you tried putting her in a very humid hide for a bit to assist her in shedding the eye cap--something like a vented plastic container with a warm damp washcloth near a lamp for a couple of hours? Would something gently rough like rubbing a washcloth over the area help? Perhaps you could get a corner of the loosened eye cap with a tweezers? A herp vet? Neosporin? Elizabeth In a message dated 8/20/2008 7:58:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fellow Gekkotan brethren, One of my girls (Eublepharis macularius) recebtly shed and one of the eyes has become infected. I'm geussing that the skin over the eye hasn't come off. Any suggestins? Ron Van Heest Reno, NV **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [gecko]Zootaxa and Geckos
John All ~ Any luck with this link? AOL will not take me there tonight. Elizabeth Subj:[gecko]Zootaxa and Geckos Date:6/13/08 11:59:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Rudge) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com All, I've just been visiting the site of Zootaxa (a journal that specialises in bringing taxonomic papers to press in a speedy manner). This is the page for Reptilia: A HREF=http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/taxa/Reptilia.htmla;http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/taxa/Reptilia.htmla/A I notice that Aaron Bauer has just been appointed the editor for any gecko papers published by Zootaxa. That has to be good news! For those of you who are not acquainted with Zootaxa here are the gecko papers they've published in the last 3 months alone: Zootaxa 1719: 53-60 (5 Mar. 2008) 6 plates; 16 references New species of Luperosaurus (Squamata: Gekkonidae) from the Crocker Range Park, Sabah, Malaysia (Borneo). INDRANEIL DAS, MAKLARIN LAKIM PIUS KANDAUNG (Malaysia) Zootaxa 1729: 8-22 (20 Mar. 2008) 8 plates; 62 references A new species of Cyrtodactylus Gray, 1827 (Squamata: Gekkonidae) from Malaysia including a literature survey of mensural and meristic data in the genus. HERBERT ROSLER FRANK GLAW (GERMANY) Zootaxa 1743: 43-52 (7 Apr. 2008) 4 plates; 16 references A new gecko of the genus Tarentola (Squamata: Gekkonidae) from Eastern Cuba. LUIS M. DIAZ (Cuba) S. BLAIR HEDGES (USA) Zootaxa 1750: 32-42 (16 Apr. 2008) 4 plates; 54 references A new red-eyed Gekko (Reptilia: Gekkonidae) from Kanchanaburi Province, Thailand. Aaron M. Bauer (USA), Montri Sumontha (Thailand), Olivier S. G. Pauwels (Belgium) Zootaxa 1771: 16-30 (19 May 2008) 9 plates; 27 references A new species of Goniurosaurus from Cat Ba Island, Hai Phong, northern Vietnam (Squamata: Eublepharidae). THOMAS ZIEGLER (Germany), NGUYEN QUANG TRUONG (Vietnam), ANDREAS SCHMITZ (Switzerland), ROSWITHA STENKE (Vietnam) HERBERT ROSLER (Germany) Zootaxa 1771: 1-15 (19 May 2008) 3 plates; 26 references A new species of Cnemaspis Strauch 1887 (Squamata: Gekkonidae) from Pulau Perhentian Besar, Terengganu, Peninsular Malaysia. L. LEE GRISMER (USA) CHAN KIN ONN (Malaysia) Zootaxa 1778: 59-68 (28 May 2008) 2 plates; 25 references New species of Gekko (Squamata: Sauria: Gekkonidae) from China: morphological and molecular evidence. KAIYA ZHOU QIUXIAN WANG (P.R. China) Zootaxa 1788: 21-36 (9 Jun. 2008) 5 plates; 20 references A new species of velvet gecko (Diplodactylidae: Oedura) from north-east Queensland, Australia. CONRAD J. HOSKIN MEGAN HIGGIE (Australia) Best wishes, John BRBR**BRVote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.BR (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102)/HTML
Re: [gecko]Li'i shedding problem seems resolved
Sherron ~ You have definitely comes along way with Li'i. Just look at the first photos you sent at the beginning of these threads. Sounds like you may have moved her to the ten gallon tank? What is the usual temperature in her cage? If you have not already done so, get some kind of a mister to spray her cage at least once a day to make certain she stays hydrated. Geckos lap rain from leaves, et cetera. Some kind of soil substrate -- a potted plant -- coconut fiber potting medium on the floor of her cage, all would help keep the ambient humidity higher than leaves, branches, sticks alone. But all are important to make her a comfortable habitat. Stay away from sand just in case of ingestion. Most sands, no matter how fine, have silica granules -- pointy -- which could impact a gecko over time if ingested. There is one sand (Jurassic Playsand from Utah) that has quartz granules -- smooth, but I had one of my mature northern velvet geckos prolapse on that and she was about 6.5 from snout to tail tip. It was not a pretty sight (total prolapsed rectum) but after a middle-of-the-night ER visit and prophylactic care (post me for the care) for a couple months after that, she did recover and is alive today. Have you located the Rep Cal with D3. If she is getting sunlight filtered through plastic or glass and not direct sun rays she needs the calcium with D3. I particularly like the Rep Cal brand...pink label. You are doing a commendable job! Elizabeth Aloha, Sorry for being so long in update, but we've been having lots of computer mail problems I've been trying to solve. :( Well, we have finally gotten all the old skin off her tail. Her tail is a little bent underneath, but not black, thank goodness! I tried to hold her down while Dennis worked on her tail, but she just twisted violently back forth until she worked herself free ... which only took seconds. Any little vestiges of skin will hopefully wear off as she moves about her aquarium. She does like to climb about quite a bit, although most of the time she seems to be searching for food. I am a little worried about her, though, as she seems to have developed problems climbing over the last 1-1/2 days. Her toes don't seem to stick as well as they used to. She will try climbing up a leaf or branch and she will just slide back down. Also, as you can see in the photo above, she seems to be having problems with elimination and debris seems to be accumulating around her tail. I also don't know if she is getting enough to eat, although I do see her searching for food and eating the little bugs. She even ate a fruit fly larva she ran across. But the not being able to stick and the elimination problems have me worried. I have never kept geckos in captivity before, so I am not real sure what to watch out for or even the best type of setup for them. Since they pretty much live all around our house, we don't have anything to control the temperature or humidity. Am I worrying over nothing or should I be concerned? Is there anything I should be doing for a hatchling, particularly a premature hatchling, to insure her healthy survival? Oh, the fruit fly place in Oregon (Ed's) also doesn't ship to Hawaii, so I am trying to see if there is some place on the Island of Oahu where I might be able to mail order them. There are at least a few more pet stores there. ;a0 I had read about the mourning geckos being parthenogenic, which I think is pretty cool. We kept honeybees in California and their females are parthenogenic, too; although they do have fertilized males, the drones. I would love to have a big gecko!! I always loved the photos of the marine iguanas -- now that would be a hefty handful! ;D Mahalo, Sherron A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A wrote: Aloha, Sherron, Dennis, Li'i ~ In my experience Day Geckos (if one can group them all) seem more susceptible to stress than my other geckos. The gaping signals that Li'i is not having fun, now that she has energy to tell you so. In this case I don't think it's a breathing thing. It's a threat display...so you'd better get away (if you were not trying to help)...ha, ha, ha. What about a smooth padded surface to place Li'i on, maybe like a potholder against a table? Press her against the surface gently while Dennis works on her tail. Never had to work on a gecko as small as Li'i for extended stuff like her tail. Do you know that Lepidodactylus lugubris are parthenogenetic? They don't need males to reproduce. The babies are basically clones of the moms. I have seen them arch their backs like cats and have a go at each other kinda sideways. Although I hold mine from time to time, and occasionally assist with an initial shed just gently, there's not much to hold. I really have not purposely kept them on the loose. However, with a large captive population (they
Re: [gecko]New Jersey girl wins gecko-naming contest
Hey thanks, Tony, for keeping the List in mind.? What a great story! Elizabeth -Original Message- From: tony gamble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 6:50 am Subject: [gecko]New Jersey girl wins gecko-naming contest Here's a cute story about the winner of the recent gecko-naming contest involving Aaron Bauer: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/education/20080531_Hi-Nella_girl_wins_gecko-naming_contest.html Tony
Re: [gecko]...Euthanasia for Distressed Geckos...
Magnus ~ Thank you for sharing these uncomfortable details with the GGA list. In Geckos We Trust, Elizabeth Subj:Re: [gecko]...Euthanasia for Distressed Geckos... Date:6/6/08 2:33:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Magnus Johansson) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com A GGA member has recently requested info on the least physically painful way to put geckos down when it appears nothing can be done to either improve or sustain their lives. I have heard that freezing is *not* the way to go. Can someone out there recommend the best way for small lizards? No, freezing is not the way to go, that method is also banned in my country. Apart from taking it to the vet, the other methods are somewhat gruesome, shooting or *hard* hit to the head. So, for a small lizard you'd hold it against some hard surface and hit it over the head with some blunt object. ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com Elizabeth ~~~geckos make my heart sing (and dance)~~~ l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!) BRBR**BRGet trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Food.BR (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?amp; NCID=aolfod000302)/HTML
Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ...
Mahalo, All~ Any chance you could buy a very small sewing scissors? My sewing scissors have much smaller points and blades than the scissors on my Swiss army knife. I admire you clipping the wings of the fruit flies. I don't know whether my fingers would be nimble enough. Sounds like clipped flies is becoming a popular menu item at your home with four-legged visitors and the like ;-] You might try covering the top of Li?i's cage with a loosely woven cloth at feeding time to keep the flies in till they are consumed. I cover the tops of all my cricket cages just to keep them from escaping...even the 1.5 wos. Melody and I order our crickets from Sunshine Mealworms (www.sunshinemealworms.com, 1-800-322-1100) in Silverton, Oregon. Perhaps they would be a fine and quicker source for your mealworms. The Beanfarm (www.beanfarm.com) near Seattle, Washington carries the pink label Rep-Cal Phosphorus-Free Ultrafine Powder with D3. I have heard that the Exo-Terra tanks might have an escape hole in the back where the tube outlet is. I think the roughness of a rough rock or small branch would be good for your rescued Gold Dust. Now it sounds as if she has more energy than before and might even use such to rough up her toes and especially her tail after a few more steam baths. I was going to suggest Mahalo or the Hawaiian word expressing her thanks, but I see you've already decided upon a name. I mean she owes her life to you and Dennis! I have only visited Maui, Kauai, and Oahu. I first visited Maui in 1984. I visited Kauai in 1988 and caught my first three Lepidodactylus lugubris. At the time all I needed to do to bring them home was take them to a Kauai vet who certified them as healthy. Then we were off to Seattle. One of those mourning geckos lived more than 17.5 years and was still laying eggs! Then I inadvertently left the screen top ajar and she escaped. Cheers, Elizabeth Subj:Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ... Date:6/7/08 5:38:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherron) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Aloha, Elizabeth I really appreciate the help the GGA list has given me! We actually tried getting the skin off before we posted to the GGA list, but it didn't do much good without the pre-soak in the humidity chamber for several hours first. There is nothing like experience to know what you can do without causing more harm than good. That is always my worry when trying something I haven't done before is that it may be worse than doing nothing. :( She is definitely interested in eating; always a good sign! And she is much better at getting around without that gunky skin inhibiting her movements. I will need to see what pet/supply stores there are in this area. I don't think there are many, but I can always do mail order if there isn't something local. There isn't a large selection of anything here. ;) We have named her!! Her name is Li?i, which is the Hawaiian name for small, and is pronounced lee-ee. The ? is an ?okina which indicates a glottal stop or short break/pause between the two i's. ;) So I have also updated the web page on her and it is now located at: A HREF=http://hale-pohaku.net/gecko_lii.html; http://hale-pohaku.net/gecko_lii.html/A She is really getting around very well without the excess skin, although I think she still has a little trouble with that right leg. The toes on the right foot still tend to clump together a little, although I suspect that she may grow to adjust to it and learn to live with it. We see quite a few maimed geckos around and many of them do quite well, all things considered. She certainly is doing much, much better with it. She doesn't lurch anymore, but actually uses it nearly like a normal leg. ;) We sure don't want her to lose any toes or her tail if we can prevent it, so like it or not, Li?i is going to get steam bath! Or two. If we could keep her still, we could probably do it quicker, but there is not much to hold onto and she is a fast little devil! ;) She sure has lots of friends, thank goodness!! ;) Mahalo nui loa, Sherron, Dennis Li?i A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A wrote: Sherron ~ You are totally welcome for the assistance I was able to give thanks to this Global Gecko Association listserv! I really appreciate your detailed photos. As they say, A picture is worth a thousand words. If judging by photos is a reliable sign, her belly definitely seems to be full of the bugs you've been catching. If she proves to be a long-term captive you may want to dust her bugs with a calcium supplement. That will be easier once she is eating bigger stuff ;-} I recommend Rep-Cal Phosphorus-Free Ultrafine Powder with D3. Can you get that on the island? Your survivor
[gecko]...Euthanasia for Distressed Geckos...
Hi ~ Sherron from Hawaii has recently requested info on the least physically painful way to put geckos down when it appears nothing can be done to either improve or sustain their lives. I have heard that freezing is not the way to go. Can someone out there recommend the best way for small lizards? Thanks, Elizabeth BRBR**BRGet trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Food.BR (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?amp; NCID=aolfod000302)/HTML
Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ...
Aloha, Sherron ~ I thoroughly enjoyed your e-mails and photos this afternoon!!! I'll check them out thoroughly at work after Field Day (if it doesn't rain) or at the library. (GGA is a great resource!!) You both have come along way with your little Gold Dust gecko. She looks so much better than before. Has she a name? I agree with Melody that she will probably need further human assistance shedding that toe skin and her tail skin. After a short break, I'd advise you to place her in the humidity chamber again perhaps with something rougher than a paper towel to work on her tail and toe. Do you keep anything a bit rough in her regular cage like a twig, a small rough branch, or rock? From your photo those areas seem to have retained more than a single shed and may be difficult for her to remove on her own. Melody suggests peeling the tail skin down from the vent towards the tip if I'm reading her correctly ;-} But I realize the skin needs loosening first. Keep us posted, Elizabeth In a message dated 6/5/08 5:15:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As to the last bits of shedding, she might lose the extra skin on the next shed. I've only gotten the tail skin off by peeling front to back, like turning a cone inside out. Elizabeth ~~~geckos make my heart sing (and dance)~~~ l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!) BRBR**BRGet trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Food.BR (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?amp; NCID=aolfod000302)/HTML
Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ...
Sherron ~ I love your gecko stories!!! Your sauna gecko is one lucky girl! I'll bet she is thinking What a relief to be free of the skin that was around my neck! Did you try placing something rough in her sauna? With that much energy perhaps she'd use it to continue her shed? Is she almost ready for an after photo? I wonder whether colonies of the Madagascar day geckos who are becoming scarce could successfully be established on some of the Hawaiian islands? Just a thought. BTW I live in Seattle. I caught my first three geckos --- Lepidodactylus lugubris hatchlings --- in 1988 on Kauai in a condo where I stayed. The rest is history. Mahalo, Elizabeth Subj:Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ... Date:6/2/08 3:55:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherron) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Aloha, Elizabeth We have her soaking in the hot tub now. The temperature is about 83 F, which seems to be as warm as we can get it without melting the plastic from being too close to the lamp. She really doesn't like being there, whether it is because of the dampness or just not being in her familiar surroundings with her leaves and things, I'm not sure. Maybe she doesn't like the texture of the washcloth. She went straight for the walls and tried to crawl up them, and has continued to do so. Much of the time, she just moves her arms and legs (which she can actually now do in the increased moisture level) without moving her body, but she has managed to crawl about half-way up the wall before sliding back down. I worry about the energy she is expending, but she is determined. Update: my husband tried the tweezers again (my hands shake too much) and we managed to get the skin off her head! Also part of it off one arm and a big hunk off her stomach. We had to keep wetting her and she ran all over the place -- we can't actually hold her as I think we would break her arms if we tried, so we just try to corral her between our fingers! And after being in the sauna, she is really active!! But we are so happy to have some success, just wish it had gone faster. We put her back in the sauna to help loosen up the skin as it had started to harden again. This time she isn't even trying to crawl the walls. Smart cookie -- she is just sitting in the middle where we put her. She already has learned the drill. Maybe the next tweezer session will go easier. Ha, ha. ;) Having wild geckos all over is one of the things I love most about living in Hawaii! We have geckos everywhere! Most prominently the day geckos, but a fair number of house geckos and a surprising number of mourning geckos, too. When the day geckos were first introduced into Hawaii a few years back they thought it might be the end of the some of the original varieties. However, we have found that the mourning geckos are making a bit of a comeback, even though they are at a distinct physical disadvantage. But they are much smarter -- very quick witted, fast, determined and will stand up to someone twice their size! I was so amazed when I saw them down in the bananas arch up their backs like cats and stare down big old day geckos thrice their size over papaya! And they quickly learn that I mean them no harm and will take mealworms out of my hand, even the ones that don't live in the house! They are really fun to watch! But that doesn't mean I don't love the day geckos, too. They are so endearing because they look at you interact with you so much. As I sit and type this, I have a little one named Sneaker Girl who is sitting between some papers on the table next to my laptop watching me. I have water papaya out for her and give her an occasional mealworm. She used to live outside on the lanai, but decided to come in one day and staked out my table. She sits here for a few hours and then goes off and does other things. She's called Sneaker Girl because we had a friend over who wore bright green sneakers and the gecko was attracted to them so much (I have no idea why) that she climbed up on the lanai table leg and jumped over onto the sneakers. Luckily our friend likes geckos, too. ;) We are really keeping our fingers crossed!! ;) Mahalo, Sherron A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A wrote: And Aloha Sherron ~ Thanks for these details. Please try the humidity chamber near a lamp for a few hours. Use a wet washcloth that has been wrung out and place it in the vented, plastic container. Watch the water droplets form. After only a few hours I imagine her skin might be loose enough to start a split. Another idea! Have something like a twig, small branch, or a section of choya wood --- something rough that she could snuggle up
Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ...
And Aloha Sherron ~ Thanks for these details.? Please try the humidity chamber near a lamp for a few hours.? Use a wet washcloth that has been wrung out and place it in the vented, plastic container.? Watch the water droplets form.? After only a few hours I imagine her skin might be loose enough to start a split. Another idea!? Have something like?a twig, small branch,?or a section of choya wood --- something rough that she could snuggle up against to assist in the shed. I hope the skin shed helps her right leg work more efficiently! Keep us posted! Wish I lived near the beach in a place warm enough where geckos roamed freely ;-] Elizabeth Aloha, Elizabeth She is about 3/4 from nose to vent -- she is the smallest day gecko hatchling we have ever seen, although some of our mourning gecko hatchlings are even tinier. This sounds like it might work!? If it would just soften enough to pull off her or get a split started, I think we could get the neck skin off.? We have been misting her little cage and putting a heating pad next to it, but that only helps a little and wasn't keeping the humidity up high enough.? She has never seemed to be able to fully control her right leg, and her right foot is smaller than her left and the toes kind of clumped together. She often tends to move the joint and leg together as a unit, so there may be something wrong with the joint, too. Although in watching her with the skin problem, some of that may just be the skin being so tight it restricts her movement. Usually when we find the hatchlings, most of that first skin has already been shed, but she was fully covered with it and it has only recently started splitting. We do think it hinders her use of her limbs -- her arms are only about the size of thin pencil lead, and the skin seems to fully coat those. She has been doing okay up until the last couple of days, though, when the skin (I hope that it isn't something else, too) started really becoming a problem. She now gets around by lurching her body back and forth because her little arms legs are still encased in the skin, although it has come off some of the back.? And she is green underneath, not gray! We haven't ever actually kept any of the geckos before, as they run all around our house, lanai and garden (Phelsuma laticauda, house - Hemidactylus frenatus, Mourning - Lepidodactylus lugubris). But we had to make an exception in her case, since she couldn't fend for herself. Usually we just take the hatchlings outside so they have a better chance of survival -- we have lots of big geckos running around inside and they don't last long if we don't get to them first. :( Mahalo, Sherron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Sherron ~ Try the humidity chamber trick. ?I can't view your photos at home because my laptop is really memory-challenged, so I don't know how big this gecko is! ?However, my mourning geckos are 1 3/8 at hatching. ?Try placing your gecko in a vented plastic container with a damp washcloth inside. ?Place this near a light. ?Almost immediately you will notice beads of water accumulate on the sides/top of the container. ?After a few hours or so perhaps you can remove the rings of old skin around her neck gently with a tweezers or small scissors. What is the problem with her right leg? ?Might you have a new pet here? Elizabeth ? Subj:[gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding egg skin Date:6/1/08 4:16:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherron) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: gecko@lists.gekkota.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We found a tiny hatchling on May 13 that was a little underdeveloped and was still in that grayish skin they have when they first come out of the shell. She was dehydrated and has a problem with her right leg, but is spunky. We haven't been able to release her outside like we do the rest of the hatchings we find, as her bad leg has kept her from being very mobile, but she has been doing pretty well eating tiny bugs aphids I collect for her. She has also shown a real interest in the fruit flies around her papaya, but I don't think she has managed to catch any yet. But she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold clammy, so we put a heating pad near her cage to help warm her up. It seems to have started her molting her egg skin, but she has a bunch of it around her neck that she can't get off. Is there anything we can do to help her? She is so tiny we don't see how we could try to cut it off! The rest of the skin except for around her neck should slough off okay, but the stuff around her neck is several layers and is a ring, so it may be another matter. :( Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is really a spunky little girl. Mahalo, Sherron -Original Message- From: Gecko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:21 am Subject: Re:
Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ...
Do you have a small scissors for sewing (or even perhaps a straight pin) that could perhaps begin a split/tear in her skin at the neck?? I don't know how active she is, but you might be able to hold her firmly against some solid padded surface like a table.? Hope that something works for you both. Elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:52 am Subject: Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ... And Aloha Sherron ~ ? Thanks for these details.? Please try the humidity chamber near a lamp for a few hours.? Use a wet washcloth that has been wrung out and place it in the vented, plastic container.? Watch the water droplets form.? After only a few hours I imagine her skin might be loose enough to start a split. Another idea!? Have something like?a twig, small branch,?or a section of choya wood --- something rough that she could snuggle up against to assist in the shed. I hope the skin shed helps her right leg work more efficiently! ? Keep us posted! ? Wish I lived near the beach in a place warm enough where geckos roamed freely ;-] ? Elizabeth Aloha, Elizabeth She is about 3/4 from nose to vent -- she is the smallest day gecko hatchling we have ever seen, although some of our mourning gecko hatchlings are even tinier. This sounds like it might work!? If it would just soften enough to pull off her or get a split started, I think we could get the neck skin off.? We have been misting her little cage and putting a heating pad next to it, but that only helps a little and wasn't keeping the humidity up high enough.? She has never seemed to be able to fully control her right leg, and her right foot is smaller than her left and the toes kind of clumped together. She often tends to move the joint and leg together as a unit, so there may be something wrong with the joint, too. Although in watching her with the skin problem, some of that may just be the skin being so tight it restricts her movement. Usually when we find the hatchlings, most of that first skin has already been shed, but she was fully covered with it and it has only recently started splitting. We do think it hinders her use of her limbs -- her arms are only about the size of thin pencil lead, and the skin seems to fully coat those. She has been doing okay up until the last couple of days, though, when the skin (I hope that it isn't something else, too) started really becoming a problem. She now gets around by lurching her body back and forth because her little arms legs are still encased in the skin, although it has come off some of the back.? And she is green underneath, not gray! We haven't ever actually kept any of the geckos before, as they run all around our house, lanai and garden (Phelsuma laticauda, house - Hemidactylus frenatus, Mourning - Lepidodactylus lugubris). But we had to make an exception in her case, since she couldn't fend for herself. Usually we just take the hatchlings outside so they have a better chance of survival -- we have lots of big geckos running around inside and they don't last long if we don't get to them first. :( Mahalo, Sherron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Sherron ~ Try the humidity chamber trick. ?I can't view your photos at home because my laptop is really memory-challenged, so I don't know how big this gecko is! ?However, my mourning geckos are 1 3/8 at hatching. ?Try placing your gecko in a vented plastic container with a damp washcloth inside. ?Place this near a light. ?Almost immediately you will notice beads of water accumulate on the sides/top of the container. ?After a few hours or so perhaps you can remove the rings of old skin around her neck gently with a tweezers or small scissors. What is the problem with her right leg? ?Might you have a new pet here? Elizabeth ? Subj:[gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding egg skin Date:6/1/08 4:16:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherron) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: gecko@lists.gekkota.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We found a tiny hatchling on May 13 that was a little underdeveloped and was still in that grayish skin they have when they first come out of the shell. She was dehydrated and has a problem with her right leg, but is spunky. We haven't been able to release her outside like we do the rest of the hatchings we find, as her bad leg has kept her from being very mobile, but she has been doing pretty well eating tiny bugs aphids I collect for her. She has also shown a real interest in the fruit flies around her papaya, but I don't think she has managed to catch any yet. But she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold clammy, so we put a heating pad near her cage to help warm her up. It seems to have started her molting her egg skin, but she has a bunch of it around her neck that she
Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ...
Hello Sherron ~ Try the humidity chamber trick. I can't view your photos at home because my laptop is really memory-challenged, so I don't know how big this gecko is! However, my mourning geckos are 1 3/8 at hatching. Try placing your gecko in a vented plastic container with a damp washcloth inside. Place this near a light. Almost immediately you will notice beads of water accumulate on the sides/top of the container. After a few hours or so perhaps you can remove the rings of old skin around her neck gently with a tweezers or small scissors. What is the problem with her right leg? Might you have a new pet here? Elizabeth Subj:[gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding egg skin Date:6/1/08 4:16:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherron) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com We found a tiny hatchling on May 13 that was a little underdeveloped and was still in that grayish skin they have when they first come out of the shell. She was dehydrated and has a problem with her right leg, but is spunky. We haven't been able to release her outside like we do the rest of the hatchings we find, as her bad leg has kept her from being very mobile, but she has been doing pretty well eating tiny bugs aphids I collect for her. She has also shown a real interest in the fruit flies around her papaya, but I don't think she has managed to catch any yet. But she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold clammy, so we put a heating pad near her cage to help warm her up. It seems to have started her molting her egg skin, but she has a bunch of it around her neck that she can't get off. Is there anything we can do to help her? She is so tiny we don't see how we could try to cut it off! The rest of the skin except for around her neck should slough off okay, but the stuff around her neck is several layers and is a ring, so it may be another matter. :( Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is really a spunky little girl. Mahalo, Sherron ~~~geckos make my heart sing (and dance)~~~ l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!) BRBR**BRGet trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Food.BR (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4amp; ?NCID=aolfod000302)/HTML
[gecko]Unique Animal Expo and Pet Fair, 2/23 2/24/08, near Portland, Oregon
Hey All ~ Come check out this show at the Washington County Fairgrounds in Hillsboro, Oregon. Stop by the GGA booth to say hello. A HREF=http://www.uniqueanimalexpo.com/Vendor.html;Click here: Unique Animal Expo and Pet Fair/A Elizabeth ~~~geckos make my heart sing (and dance)~~~ l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!) BRBR**BRBiggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.BR (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48)/HTML
Re: [gecko]New gecko questions
Diane ~ The temps you report are way too cool for leopard geckos unless you are getting some highs in the upper 80s. I also question the use of calci-sand, though I'm not a leopard gecko breeder. I keep my only mature leopard on sand. Because of the known risk of sand impaction, I only feed my leopard crickets in an 8 oz ceramic bowl with curved sides. To prevent the crickets from escaping I amputate their back legs right below the knees and the front legs right below the elbows. I usually dust the crickets with Rep Cal with D3. If you have breeding animals you could leave a small dish of the calcium powder in the cage. I just don't like to encourage geckos to eat any sand. Almost all sands, even beach sands, are composed of silica crystals. Those are the crystals that accumulate and cause impaction. Do you think Enzo has lost weight? Elizabeth Subj:[gecko]New gecko questions Date:9/25/07 3:17:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diane Rudesal) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Got a new gecko back in June from a breeder in Eastern Washington. He was almost a year old when we got him and seemed healthy and chubby, nice fat tail. Cute little guy! I named him Enzo. However, he did not seem to want to eat. The breeder had been feeding him giant mealworms, but I've been raising regular mealworms so presented those to him instead. When he hadn't eaten any in a couple of weeks, I went out and bought him giant mealworms, but he didn't eat any of those, either. So I talked to the breeder who told me he raises his geckos on calci-sand substrate with only undertank heating, no heat or light above the tank. I at that point had the gecko on repti-carpet with a light above during the day and heat emitter above at night. Well, I thought that was worth a shot at least, so I went out and got calci-sand substrate and an undertank heater. Also ended up getting him a larger tank than he was in. Now he does eat a worm every once in a while but I can't help but feel he should be eating more. Plus, I don't see how he can possibly be warm enough with just the undertank heater. The temperature on the sand on the heated side is only 80 degrees and the other side is only 70. However, he is definitely eating now; I discovered he is using the house at the other end of the tank, where I thought he never went, as his latrine! Any ideas about this situation? Diane -- Diane Rudesal [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com Elizabeth ~~~geckos make my heart sing (and dance)~~~ l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!) BRBR**BR See what's new at http://www.aol.com/HTML
Re: [gecko]re: speaking of gout...
Jessica ~ By the way, does Carrots have her own digs? That might be a good idea to eliminate any competition for food since she is the smallest. Elizabeth Subj:Re: [gecko]re: speaking of gout... Date:8/23/07 12:44:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Jessica ~ I am saddened to hear that Peanut passed away. Do you know how old he was? May your little friend rest in peace. I hope that you have gotten to Carrots' issues in time. What type of food are you using for the syringe feeding? Apparently Carrots is tolerating those? Just curious to hear what type of fish flakes you had been gutloading with. For part of my gutload for the older crickets I used to add TetraMin Tropical Fish Flakes, The Rich Mix, sometimes. When my male leopard gecko Rocky died gout consumed his body. He still maintained a healthy weight. The fish flakes were the only dietary thing I could trace a problem to. Earlier I did have a flying gecko die from stress and also from gout (fatty liver disease). At that time I was sometimes using puppy, kitten, dog, and cat food samples as a sometimes partial gutload for the crickets. Never do that either!! The samples ranged from 16%-21% minimum crude fat and the TetraMin has 8% min crude fat and 46% min crude protein. I have ceased doing both those things and now use Fluker Farms' High-Calcium Cricket Food, alfalfa hay (Hay-Kob), and oatmeal. Occasionally I'll add collard greens, carrots, zucchini. Perhaps some geckos are more susceptible to gout than others. But, definitely, they are what they eat. I appreciate you keeping the List informed. Elizabeth Subj:[gecko]re: speaking of gout... Date:8/22/07 10:16:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (argente) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Hi Elizabeth, Peanut didn't make it - he passed away last week, hopefully in his sleep. The vet is performing a necropsy but I won't have any answers from that for another week or so. Three of the girls are behaving normally and eating well. I'm still worried about my other girl Carrots though. She has always been the quiet littlest one and her tail has gotten pretty skinny. I've been syringe feeding her since she shows no interest in worms or crickets and am waiting to hear back from the vet on her blood work. I really hope that we've caught whatever it is in time to get her healthy. Thanks for your concern. -Jessica Jessica ~ How are you and Peanut doing? Have you heard other particulars from the vet? I am sorry about Peanut's gout. I don't know whether that is a one way street. Elizabeth ~~~geckos make my heart sing (and dance)~~~ l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!) BRBR**BR Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/HTML
Re: [gecko]peanut :(
Hi Jessica ~ For some reason my earlier post this morn has not come through. I am sorry that Peanut is gone. You have done so incredibly much for him!! Wish that all geckos were as fortunate. I'll be interested to hear the results of his necropsy. Are you also doing his histopathology? What does your vet say about the cause of Peanut's gout? My sad thoughts are with you, your four girls, and your family. May Peanut rest in peace. Regretfully yours, Elizabeth Subj:[gecko]peanut :( Date:8/17/07 7:16:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (argente) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Peanut passed away last night. He didn't even crawl out of his transportation dish so it must have been not long after we got back from the vet. He didn't even close his eyes. I'm bringing him to the vet for a necropsy today. So far the girls are ok but I want to take every precaution. -Jessica l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!) BRBR**BR Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/HTML
Re: [gecko]speaking of gout...
Jessica ~ Sorry to hear about Peanut. There is a moist pellet food called Insectivore Fare especially for insectivorous animals and often available in one pound size bags from your vet. Zoos often use this. It is manufactured by Reliable Protein Products. Water can be added to achieve the consistency you need. Sorry that I don't have the link. I am unfamiliar with Carnivore Care. When my male leopard died from severe gout a couple years ago the only thing I could trace an abundance to was the 48% protein in the Tetramin Fish Flakes I occasionally fed the crickets. I think I read that fish flakes was also part of your insect gutload. For some reason, my male leopard succumbed to gout, yet my female did not and is doing well to this day. I did notice his lethargy and not eating. Rocky was way too big for his water dish! The more we know the better we can care for our critters! Elizabeth Subj:[gecko]speaking of gout... Date:8/16/07 3:37:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (argente) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com I just got back from the entire crew's trip to the vet. First the good news: the girls all seem to be fine, just jumpy from the move. He took a blood sample from Carrots just to be sure, since she is the most subdued. Rocky is on the other end of the spectrum, waving her tail and running about frantically. On inspection they all look healthy so unless Carrots' tests show something it's back to business as usual with the girls. I'll have results on Monday. Someone (either Rocky, Ellipsis, or Smiley) regurgitated some worms on the way home though. Now the not good news. Peanut has a very high white blood cell count and major signs of kidney disease. The vet thinks it's a particular kind of gout where crystals enter the tissue (I forget the name he said). He also has pinworms. Vet prescribed Fortaz, with subcutaenous injections every other day, which I'm not looking forward to doing. Peanut's weight was down from 84g to 76g since Monday (he hasn't eaten anything in that span) so I'll also start syringe feeding him Carnivore Care. He's even more listless and I'm really worried about him by the vet was pretty optimistic. We go in for a follow-up on Tuesday. If he's not doing any better by then we will revisit crypto as a possibility. My vet doesn't like to test for it since he feels the test is unreliable enough to be useless. If the current treatment doesn't help I'm going to insist on the test anyway. In the meantime I will switch my mealworms to a different gutload (or at least start the transition since picking them all out of their current bedding is pretty impossible). Can they live in the Repashy diet or do they need to be taken out and gutloaded separately before feeding? Thanks to everyone for your helpful and hopeful comments. I feel much better knowing that I have a panel of experts helping me along. Elizabeth ~~~geckos make my heart sing (and dance)~~~ l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!) BRBR**BR Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/HTML
Re: [gecko]re: leo wallowing in water dish
Jessica ~ Peanut is a lucky guy to have such thorough caregivers! Let us know what the vet says. Hopefully you've found a vet with experience taking care of reptiles. Elizabeth Subj:[gecko]re: leo wallowing in water dish Date:8/12/07 10:26:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (argente) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Ron (and Julie), Thanks for the suggestion, but no bugs in sight. I completely disinfected his tank and everything in it, just in case. I also moved a fan into the gecko room and gave Peanut a makeshift moist hide so he can be more comfortable until we move. He has probably got the nicest space in the house now! He does seem a bit less lethargic today though he did spend more time in his water dish and ignored his mealworms. He hasn't had a solid poop in two days but he hasn't been eating either. We see the vet this afternoon - I'll let you all know what he says. Thanks again, -Jessica Jessica, ?? Lizards laying in a water dish is usually (not always) associated with mite infesttions. Look for little white, red or brownish little bugs crawling on the gecko. Elizabeth ~~~geckos make my heart sing (and dance)~~~ l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!) BRBR**BR Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/HTML
Re: [gecko] Chit Chat #19
Mine arrived in Seattle on 7/6! Come on everybody, let's join! Elizabeth Subj:Re: [gecko] Chit Chat #19 Date:7/7/07 7:43:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bobby Pruett) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Mines a no show so far? Bobby Pruett Arboreals Etc... A HREF=http://www.arborealsetc.com/;http://www.arborealsetc.com/A Rhacodactylus Network A HREF=http://www.rhacodactylus.net/;http://www.rhacodactylus.net/A 210-296-4278 - Original Message - From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Lyle Puente/A To: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [gecko] Chit Chat #19 Has everyone gotten their new issue of Chit Chat? Mine came today. John Rudge's article about scientific collecting and extinction is perfect! I also found Leann's article on Phelsuma eating vegetables really amazing. Lyle Puente Global Gecko Association A HREF=http://www.gekkota.com/;http://www.gekkota.com/A My Brothers Banned A HREF=http://mybrothersbanned.com/;http://mybrothersbanned.com/A A HREF=http://www.myspace.com/mybrothersbanned;http://www.myspace.com/mybrothersbanned/A BRBR**BR See what's free at http://www.aol.com./HTML
[gecko]Availability of past Gekkos
Subj:Availability of past Gekkos Date:2/9/07 4:54:55 PM Pacific Standard Time From:A HREF=mailto:Elizabeth FreerElizabeth Freer/A To:A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A, A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Hi Sherron ~ A hearty welcome to the GGA! I hope that you will be pleased with the latest journal. Neil and John always do oh so great a job!! I have all the past journals available for sale with the exception of volume 1, issues 1 and 2, at $7.50 each to GGA members. I think there might be something on the GGA web site indicating the contents of each journal. Send me your address via my personal e-mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), if you are still interested in purchasing some back issues. Best to collect them all! Do you realize that your mourning geckos (Lepidodactylus lugubris) are parthenogenetic, that these are mostly all females and that these females do not need males to reproduce? Have you heard them sing? Actually, I caught my first geckos in Kauai in 1988, and those were mourning gecko hatchlings. The rest is history ;-} Elizabeth Freer Seattle, Washington 98102 Subj:Re: [gecko]GGA: Gekko arrived Date:2/9/07 4:28:33 PM Pacific Standard Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gecko) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Aloha to all! I am a newly subscribed member so am greatly looking forward to my first issue of Gekko. Could anyone tell me if any of the prior issues available for purchase? And how I could find out the contents and prices, if so? I am sorry I missed so many years!! We just moved to Hawaii last September and are surrounded by geckos in our house, on our lanais and around our garden -- but primarily only three species (mourning, house and gold dust day). It has certainly whetted my appetite for learning all about them, as we get to watch them all the time and they are always putting on quite a show. We really enjoy having them around. ;) Sherron ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com Elizabeth Seattle Geckos for all Seasons l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko] NY metro show
Lyle ~ I'd be there if I lived just a little closer. Hope you find a good group of folks with which to dine :-] Elizabeth Seattle Geckos for all Seasons l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]Bad shed
Chris ~ I recommend placing your gecko in a humdity chamber. Take a plastic container with lid, add holes, and then add a warm, damp washcloth. Place your gecko inside. You can keep this in a warm area like near a lamp. That will loosen the old skin everywhere and make it easy to remove. I have never used glycerin in these circumstances. Let us know how it goes. Elizabeth Subj:[gecko]Bad shed Date:12/29/06 10:48:12 PM Pacific Standard Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Schweitzer) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Hello to everyone, My /G. vittatus/ had an incomplete shed last week. In four years she has never had a bad shed. She has retained the skin on the rear half of her body, and on all four feet. I have been misting heavily twice a day with warm water for 4 days, but she has not made any efforts to remove it as far as I can tell. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to go about removing the skin? Do I simply pull it off using tweezers? I can't really picture doing that to the feet. I have some glycerin that I will put on the old skin before I try removing it. If anyone has any suggestions I would very much appreciate hearing them. Thanks. Elizabeth Seattle Geckos for all Seasons l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]Bad Shed, Part II
You're most welcome Chris! I'm glad that my suggestion helped out your gecko. Good to hear that the skin remaining is only on her toe pads and does not encircle the entire toe. What about trying the humidity box again? Then after five or so hours you might take something like a dry washcloth and very gently rub her affected toe pads OR return her to her original habitat. Is there something a little rough in her cage like a rock for her to walk upon? However, my guess is that if the humidity is adequate the excess toe pad skin might wear off on it's own. As you know, the gecko's ability to climb is dependent upon clean toepads. Just curious, was it warm enough for you to see water condensation on the sides of your humidity box? Any recent changes to your tank or other husbandry methods which might be affecting your gecko's health enough to have made this shed a difficult one? Another Seattle geckophile! I can't believe it :-} I really know of only one other in Seattle. That does not count the folks who have geckos now and then. But, hey, that's where it all begins. Elizabeth Subj:[gecko]Bad Shed, Part II Date:12/30/06 8:11:09 PM Pacific Standard Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Schweitzer) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Thank you, Elizabeth, for the humidity box suggestion. I put her in there for about 5 hours today. I have managed to remove all the old skin except for the pads on the underside of some of the digits. There is no old skin completely encircling any of the digits, so I am not too concerned about any constriction issues, but I am very hesitant to pick at the foot pads with tweezers, so I think I will leave it be unless I see any further problems developing. Guess I'll keep the humidity extra high for a while, as you know here in Seattle that's not too difficult. ;-) Thanks again, Seattle Geckos for all Seasons l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]Bad Shed, Part II
Chris ~ I'd probably recognize you, but right now I'm having a bit o' difficulty connecting a face with your name. Could that be age on my part??? Can I have another chance at the next show? Yes, those were the geckos I had at the October 2006 show: Lepidodactylus lugubris and Oedura castelnaui juvies. Just posted two show ads on the GGA website: one for the UAE near Portland the 24-25 Feb and the second for a one day NWCBE in Renton on 31 March at the Renton Holiday Inn. So there was an unfortunate interruption in your geckos' care! I'm glad your office manager was willing to come to the rescue. I was quite fortunate living on Capitol Hill. My lights only flickered a bit at the height of the winds. All my critters and I were able to carry on as usual. I, too, would love to see a local Gecko Fest. I did attend the Frog Fest a couple years ago. I'm afraid more folks are into snakes, then frogs, and only then geckos. It's really unfortunate that more people have not discovered the joys of pet geckos. One goal I have is to popularize Oedura castelnaui as excellent, easy care pets. Many people only know leopard geckos. How distressing! Elizabeth Subj:Re: [gecko]Bad Shed, Part II Date:12/30/06 10:00:24 PM Pacific Standard Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Schweitzer) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com;gecko@lists.gekkota.com/A To:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Elizabeth, Yes, the humidity box was at 92 degrees and 90% humidity. I may try rubbing the toes in a day or two if I don't see any improvement on its own. She is back in her cage where the roughest thing is cork bark, though I suppose I could put in a piece of sandstone. The reason she had a bad shed is from the recent power outage. I am in Redmond, my power was out for 5 days. After two days of trying to keep them warm with heat packs, I boxed up the geckos and took them to my office manager's house, but they got a little dry after a couple days. Not a problem for the /Coleonyx/, /Tarentola/, or even my Crestie, but the /vittatus /do like their humidity. And of course the cold and the handling probably didn't help either. At any rate they all seem to be doing fine except for this one problem. I actually met you a few times at NWCBE, saw you there with your /L. lugubris/ and your /Oedura/. I am always annoyed at how few geckos are represented, seems like it's mostly about the snakes. I know there's a Frog Fest here each year, wouldn't mind seeing Gecko Fest as well. That would be cool! :) Chris Schweitzer ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com Seattle Geckos for all Seasons l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.50 yor.i.p.r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]New Caledonian Symposium/NARBC Tinley Park
Neil ~ For extra special animals like yours I would definitely recommend Delta Dash if at all possible. (I do have a UPS account, but have never used it.) Have a good time all. Wish that I could come. Elizabeth Subj:Re: [gecko]New Caledonian Symposium/NARBC Tinley Park Date:9/10/06 7:54:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Meister) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: gecko@lists.gekkota.com To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Hi Justyn, I wish it were that easy, many of the smaller aircraft in Canada simply won't take any live. I have to use either Air Canada or Continental to get live out of the country. Once I get in the US, is there any problem using FedEx or UPS? i.e. do I need an account? Thanks, Neil Neil Meister Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs On 8-Sep-06, at 11:13 PM, Justyn Miller wrote: They say they don't accept live cargo, but they will take reptiles. Reptiles and fish are not considered live cargo, just regular cargo. Explain this and you should have no problems. Justyn Miller Intense Herpetoculture www.IntenseHerp.com I'm hoping to make it for the symposium and the first day of the show. I have to wait until payday to buy my ticket, so I'll keep my fingers crossed I can get a gecko-friendly flight. Most of the flights from here to Chicago start out on small planes that don't ship live cargo. Neil Neil Meister Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs On 2-Sep-06, at 2:40 PM, Julie Bergman wrote: Actually the New Caledonian Symposium starts Thurs at 9:00am. I was able to book a room at the convention center (Holiday Inn) for Wed. Thurs, then a room for the convention rate of $99ish at the Comfort Inn the remainder of the weekend. Julie B. Leann Christenson wrote: Both NARBC and the Symposium are at Tinely Park Holiday Inn Select. Here is a link to the New Caledonian Symposium which is on Friday http://www.geckosymposium.org/cms/ NARBC's site: http://www.narbc.com/htm2006/tp_index.htm Greg and I will be there. - Original Message - From: B K mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [gecko]New Caledonian Symposium/NARBC Tinley Park Where is it at? Burke Julie Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cyndi and I are going after all! :) Who else is going from the list here? Julie B. Elizabeth Seattle Geckos for all Seasons l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert(a) robert(a) hubert(a) 17.50 yo r.i.p. r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]Testing 10, 11,12
Hi Carole Julie ~ Maybe it just takes somebody to reply to them. Otherwise, I often don't see them as posted. Elizabeth Subj:Re: [gecko]Testing 10, 11,12 Date:9/10/06 8:40:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Julie Bergman) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: gecko@lists.gekkota.com To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Hey Carole! :) Julie B. Carole Young wrote: Hey there! - Original Message - From: To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: 9/9/2006 6:20:04 PM Subject: [gecko]Testing 10, 11,12 It appears my posts may be getting through to the list, but that I can't view them at home. Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge Elizabeth Seattle Geckos for all Seasons l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert(a) robert(a) hubert(a) 17.50 yo r.i.p. r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
[gecko]Portland, Oregon Area 27th Annual Unique Animal Expo: 23-24 September 2006
Hi Andrew all ~ This show includes a large Reptile Room! It will happen 23 24 September 2006 somewhat west of Portland, Oregon. Click here: Unique Animal Expo -The Oldest and Largest Combined Animal Expo in the Pacific Northwest Elizabeth plays with geckos l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert(a) robert(a) hubert(a) 17.75 yo r.i.p. r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
[gecko]testing 1, 2, 3
Elizabeth
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
Jared ~ I, too, am very sorry about the passing of your female Uro. The pain, at least when my geckos die, seems greater the longer one has had the gecko, but, nonetheless, it still hurts. It seems like she left a little one behind for you and other eggs ;-} No doubt, as vigilant with supplementation as you have been, some of your techniques may change. (Neil are you there?) Each of us can learn from improved husbandry recommendations! Any news on how your remaining 1.1 are doing? So sorry, Elizabeth Jared, Uros are really tricky, especially when they decline in health. Sorry about your loss. You can use her death to better the rest of your Uros though, so it is not in vain. Julie B. Jared Morris wrote: Your message made it, Neil, Unfortunately, my gecko did not. She was looking pretty good for the last two nights, and was taking babyfood/ Ca by dropper, but this morning I found her dead on the floor of her cage. That is one seriously painful lesson learned on my part. God I feel awful. On Aug 19, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Neil Meister wrote: Hi Jared, I hope this gets through, I haven't had much luck posting lately. You're on the right track. If you have only been dusting insects and she has been laying eggs, she is far most likely to be hypo. I've seen the symptoms you described in several Uroplatus. Often they will come around with diligent oral Ca supplementation. Usually they will start to feed on their own if they start to recover. I'd recommend feeding a liquid diet with a dropper to start with over force feeding. It takes patience, but is still easier on you and the gecko. Often you can drip liquids on their snout and eventually they will start to lick it off. Neil On 16-Aug-06, at 7:52 PM, Jared Morris wrote: So, I'm going to continue oral calcium and vitamin supplements, keep her well hydrated and fed (assuming she'll eat on her own - I hate the idea of tube feeding, but I have done it on Uromastyx and Cordylus species on a few occasions with good results. And above all, I'll keep my hopes up - please do the same for me, and I'll keep you all updated with her condition. Thanks everyone, for all your help and support. Jared Neil Meister Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
So sorry to hear this Jared. There always IS too much of a good thing. Not that it makes your gecko's dilemma any easier to bear, but you have shared these difficulties, so we all can learn. Elizabeth Thanks Elizabeth... after doing some searching and thinking, I think I may be at fault... My overzealous supplementation may have caused Hypercalcemia. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing I guess. I'll keep the list posted. Jared Best wishes in discovering the cause of this female's difficulties in time for a cure, Jared. Please keep the list posted. Elizabeth
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
PS Jared ~ How are the other 1.1 Uroplatus henkeli of this trio faring? Elizabeth So sorry to hear this Jared. There always IS too much of a good thing. Not that it makes your gecko's dilemma any easier to bear, but you have shared these difficulties, so we all can learn. Elizabeth Thanks Elizabeth... after doing some searching and thinking, I think I may be at fault... My overzealous supplementation may have caused Hypercalcemia. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing I guess. I'll keep the list posted. Jared Best wishes in discovering the cause of this female's difficulties in time for a cure, Jared. Please keep the list posted. Elizabeth
[gecko]...2007 Gecko Calendars...test post
Hi Everybody ~ I haven't been able to post directly to the GGA site in some time so this is in part a test. 2007 Gecko Calendars are available from Nathan Hall at www.geckosunlimited.com. I haven't seen the photos yet, but am hoping for a great collection. Elizabeth plays with geckos l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert(a) robert(a) hubert(a) 17.75 yo r.i.p. r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
In a message dated 8/15/06 10:06:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:[gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli Date:8/15/06 10:06:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jared Morris) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: gecko@lists.gekkota.com To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com So I was just walking past the big viv with my trio of U. henkeli, when I heard a weird hissing noise. I looked in to find my large, normally robust, female lying on the ground looking dead. Turns out she's not dead, but she may be heading in that direction - she is displaying these symptoms: Aggression when handled, left rear leg paralysis, toe twitching on the same leg, and her tail is curled in on itself along its length. Just last night I sprayed them down, and fed them, and she ate two roaches and drank heavily, so I am really perplexed by this sudden turn for the worse. Anyone have this problem before, or have any ideas? I can only think of three distinct possibilities 1)egg binding 2)calcium deficiency or even overdoes 3)Gut impaction. I've got her separated and hopefully I can get a good stool sample to see if it could even be something microbial. She is only one year old, but she is quite large, weighing in at about 56-60 grams. She has always eaten well and has laid no more than four clutches so far, two single, and either one or two doubles (I have two females in the enclosure, so it is often hard to tell who laid what). I dust with calcium at every feed, alternating between RepCal Ca+D3 and pure pharmaceutical grade CaCO3, and RepCal Herptivite once a week. I feed gut loaded Lobster roaches which I breed as feeders. When they began laying, I also began giving each female a once monthly dose of .125 ml Calcium Glubionate syrup, administered by injection into a feeder roach. I'll be getting into the vet as soon as possible for either an appointment or, god forbid, a necropsy. Wish me luck, and let me know if you have any ideas or advice. Thanks, Jared Best wishes in discovering the cause of this female's difficulties in time for a cure, Jared. Please keep the list posted. Elizabeth plays with geckos l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert(a) robert(a) hubert(a) 17.75 yo r.i.p. r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]Austin Meeting
The GGA did auctionone setof the ~1998 videos at the Geckophile Gathering 2006 in Austin. Elizabethgeckos make me smile huge -Original Message-From: BugEaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: gecko@lists.gekkota.comSent: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:50:33 GMTSubject: Re: [gecko]Austin Meeting Sounds like a good thing to sell at a gecko gathering...Was the GGA selling the video in Austin? What about in Chicago in Oct? The quality is excellent. I operated the camera and hubby didthe rest. We'll be doing some gecko video projects in the future!Julie B. Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
[gecko]Wow! Thanks for a Great Symposium, Nathan!!!
HiNathan ~ YourTexas Geckophile Gathering 2006 has been wonderful -- friendly geckophiles, good food, comfortable accommodations, and top-notch speakers! You thought of everything. I really hope that this Geckophile Gathering becomes an annual event ;-} Elizabethgeckos make me smile huge Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
[gecko]testing
Good to see life here! My posts are not going through. Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge -Original Message- From: Lynn Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:41:32 -0400 Subject: [gecko]RE: gecko digest, Vol 1 #1091 - 4 msgs I hand fed mine babyfood (chicken mixed with a little water and calcium dust) by using a syringe and putting a dab of it on her face. She would lick off quite a bit. I did eventually have to have her euthanized because she had a huge abdominal mass. It cost about 35 dollars to have her put down. Good luck. Lynn Hall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:01 AM To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Subject: gecko digest, Vol 1 #1091 - 4 msgs Send gecko mailing list submissions to gecko@lists.gekkota.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of gecko digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko (Jamie A. Stine) 3. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko (J Aherns) 4. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko (Leann Christenson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Reply-To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Thanks for the advice. I got her to eat about three mealworms last night, even without cutting their heads off. I just dropped them into the enclosure in front of her, one at a time. However, in the morning I found them regurgitated. So I'm going to have to bite the bullet and take her to the vet, although I don't have much confidence in any of the local vets as far as leos are concerned. I cleaned her enclosure today and am waiting for her furniture to dry off to put it and her back in it. Maybe that will perk her up a bit -- or not. Diane I hand fed two very sick geckos, one leopard and one fat tail. The best way I found to get them to eat is to cut head off of the mealworm, then hold the mealworm body with the open end and some of the guts hanging out in front of the geckos mouth. You can also gently touch the guts to the geckos mouth. Both my geckos would then lick their faces and while they were doing that, I would try to slip the meal worm in. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:21 pm Subject: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com My older gecko Na?Toth seems to be wasting away. She hasn?t been eatingmany of the mealworms I?ve been feeding her, so I tried crickets. In order to get her to notice them I have to take out all of the furniturefrom her enclosure so it?s just her and the crickets. After a while when she stops eating I put her furniture back so she can go and hide again.She ate several a few days ago but then the next day I found regurgitatedcrickets in the enclosure. I had the same sort of problem with her a couple of years ago and took her to a vet. At that time the problem turned out to be that the temperaturein her cage wasn?t warm enough. That?s definitely not the case this time. I had to try to force feed her while she was recovering, which was a trial because we never could get her to open her mouth ? even the vet couldn?tdo it! She?s been a weird gecko from the beginning. I bought her in a pet store(yeah, I know?) and all she?s ever wanted to do is hide. She?s totally different from Sadie, the gecko I bought from Julie, who?s a little glutton and has a definite personality. She?s a doll! This might sound cruel, but I?m not sure I want to spend a lot of money or time trying to find out what?s wrong with Na?Toth and then trying to get her better, under the circumstances. I also don?t want her to starve herself to death, because I know that has to be painful. Is it possible to euthanize a gecko like a dog or cat? Diane ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:18:52 -0500 From: Jamie A. Stine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Subject: Re: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko Reply-To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com --=_Part_21456_18198458.1146428332223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline uhm Might I ask why you're feeding
Re: [gecko]testing
Hooray! Maybe the difficulty lies with my home connection :-[ Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:59:50 -0400 Subject: [gecko]testing Good to see life here! My posts are not going through. Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge -Original Message- From: Lynn Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:41:32 -0400 Subject: [gecko]RE: gecko digest, Vol 1 #1091 - 4 msgs I hand fed mine babyfood (chicken mixed with a little water and calcium dust) by using a syringe and putting a dab of it on her face. She would lick off quite a bit. I did eventually have to have her euthanized because she had a huge abdominal mass. It cost about 35 dollars to have her put down. Good luck. Lynn Hall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: gecko digest, Vol 1 #1091 - 4 msgs Send gecko mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of gecko digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko (Jamie A. Stine) 3. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko (J Aherns) 4. Re: Sick -- probably dying -- gecko (Leann Christenson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the advice. I got her to eat about three mealworms last night, even without cutting their heads off. I just dropped them into the enclosure in front of her, one at a time. However, in the morning I found them regurgitated. So I'm going to have to bite the bullet and take her to the vet, although I don't have much confidence in any of the local vets as far as leos are concerned. I cleaned her enclosure today and am waiting for her furniture to dry off to put it and her back in it. Maybe that will perk her up a bit -- or not. Diane I hand fed two very sick geckos, one leopard and one fat tail. The best way I found to get them to eat is to cut head off of the mealworm, then hold the mealworm body with the open end and some of the guts hanging out in front of the geckos mouth. You can also gently touch the guts to the geckos mouth. Both my geckos would then lick their faces and while they were doing that, I would try to slip the meal worm in. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:21 pm Subject: [gecko]Sick -- probably dying -- gecko To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My older gecko Na?Toth seems to be wasting away. She hasn?t been eatingmany of the mealworms I?ve been feeding her, so I tried crickets. In order to get her to notice them I have to take out all of the furniturefrom her enclosure so it?s just her and the crickets. After a while when she stops eating I put her furniture back so she can go and hide again.She ate several a few days ago but then the next day I found regurgitatedcrickets in the enclosure. I had the same sort of problem with her a couple of years ago and took her to a vet. At that time the problem turned out to be that the temperaturein her cage wasn?t warm enough. That?s definitely not the case this time. I had to try to force feed her while she was recovering, which was a trial because we never could get her to open her mouth ? even the vet couldn?tdo it! She?s been a weird gecko from the beginning. I bought her in a pet store(yeah, I know?) and all she?s ever wanted to do is hide. She?s totally different from Sadie, the gecko I bought from Julie, who?s a little glutton and has a definite personality. She?s a doll! This might sound cruel, but I?m not sure I want to spend a lot of money or time trying to find out what?s wrong with Na?Toth and then trying to get her better, under the circumstances. I also don?t want her to starve herself to death, because I know that has to be painful. Is it possible to euthanize a gecko like a dog or cat? Diane ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006
Re: [gecko]testing...symposium
Hi All ~ Count me in! Have booked registration, hotel, and flights. Can't wait for June 8...returning to Seattle June 12th.. Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge -Original Message- From: Nathan Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:10:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [gecko]testing...symposium I can’t believe May is already here! You guys have less than three weeks to book your rooms for the symposium. I know that there will be a lot of last minute attendees, so you guys should prepare early. I’ve placed ads in most of the local rags (Austin) and around the internet. I’m heading up to Austin in a couple of weeks to do a radio interview about the symposium. I’m excited about that. I know that some of you are trying to decide which symposium to attend. Allen and I talked about this, and we want to let all of you know that both symposiums offer unique lectures. His symposium is New Caledonian specific. My symposium covers a much broader range of species and locales and is geared more toward field discoveries. Both symposiums should be great! We have plenty of fun things planned at the Austin symposium. I hope to see all of you there!!! Marcus, I can’t wait for your lecture! Nathan Hall GECKOS UNLIMITED | www.geckosunlimited.com Rare Geckos | www.raregeckos.com The Geckophile Forums | www.geckosunlimited.com/forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 713-775-5545 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:33 AM To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Subject: Re: [gecko]testing I am really getting excited about meeting everyone at the Gathering soon.Ive been pretty much a recluse.I visit a few shows here and there,but I feel like its time to spread the wings.The trip to Malaysia was very eye-opening and helped me understand alot about how Felinus live.Ive been dying to share,but that is the one of the main topics of my presentation.Ive seen alot of information about them physically,but they have their own preferred niche,and it obviously is a key factor in their success.Well,better stop,I might start letting it all out.See you people soon. ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Gecko Calendars for 2006 2007
Hi All--- Just discovered last night that Nathan Hall of www.geckosunlimited.com has gecko calendars for 2006 and will have gecko calendars for 2007! -- Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Sacramento Reptile show
Good Job Julie! I hope those GGA applications find their way to Membership Sec Leann! Elizabeth In an email dated 1/8/2005 4:22:39 pm GMT Daylight time, Julie Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jared, Jared Morris wrote: Went, it was great, saw Julie, got some really cute herp shirts for my son due in October. :) It was nice to see you there and to hear about your Uros. As for the wild caught issue, yes they are there, and no, I don't think that is a bad thing. The only Uroplatus that were there were wild caught, but tell me one place you've seen U. lineatus captive bred babies for sale? I had 'em for sale some years back, 13 babies - went to the Dallas-Ft-Worth Zoo. You are right though, no way these were cb. I'd say there was only a tiny fraction of imports, and those were all at LLL and ReptileDepot (I think), and they would say straight up whether they were or not, so at least there is nothing shady going on. I think the show policy has changed to WC long term is ok. What is not ok is when those guys are sick and on display for sale. Jeremy (promoter) is trying to stay on top of that stuff. Also, you got to hand it to Jeremy and Angel for putting together such a show, and then actually being there walking around talking with herpers! They are just stand up folks! just my $.02 Jared Thanks for your .02! I saw several GGA apps walking away too. :) Julie B. ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Gecko Popularity Poll
Hi--- Testing...testing -- Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Reptilia News Brief---April 2005 English edition
Hi Everybody--- There is a short feature and nice photograph in Reptilia's April 2005 English edition of Sara, my then 16 month old captive-hatched Ptychozoon kuhli, right after she laid a couple of eggs on the wrist of GGA member Melody Hartley at a show last October. Check it out if you have the chance to see a copy!! -- Elizabeth Seattle geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Sand-free Potting Soil
Hi Everybody! A great potting mix without sand (or perlite or vermiculite or pumice) has been recommended by Seattle's Indoor Sun Shoppe! It is super simple and seems to be working quite well with the first plant I transplanted a month ago---a podocarpus---Southern Fir!! That plant likes to be wet and humid with good light. Indoor temps work. The soil mix is: 1/3 earthworm castings (humus) (marketed by Wonder Worm) 2/3 cocopeat fiber (reconstituted from the brick) Hope everyone's geckos are healthy and breeding as much as desired!!! Cheers, Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Unusual gecko behaviour or not?
Hi Sarah--- Welcome to the Wonderful World of Geckos!!! Leopard geckos seem to be creatures of habit, like some of us tend to be, but one can always teach some old dogs new behaviors. Be sure to check out all the gecko photos on the GGA's website. There are many geckos out there for everyone! Elizabeth Seattle USA In an email dated Wed, 23 3 2005 2:31:56 am GMT, Godby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'm new to the world of gecko's, and received a gecko as a gift about a month ago. I'd wanted one for quite some time, so the gift wasn't too unusual. It's a leopard gecko, that's about 3-4 months old. I'm fascinated by this little creature, and have been reading tonnes of material about him. I read somewhere that leopard gecko's usually pick one corner to defecate in, and are consistent with it. My gecko is consistent, but in a most unusual spot. There used to be a styrofoam rock wall in the cage. He really enjoyed climbing on it, but I realized after a while that he mostly went up there to defecate. Of course it doesn't stick to the styrofoam, so it comes tumbling down and lands on other things. I removed the foam, and now he still tries to climb the glass to defecate. He's even resorted to climbing one of the plants to do his business there. We've tried to be innovative by adding a second level to the cage, but he'll have nothing to do with it, and instead try to climb the glass. He eventually gives up and goes to one corner, but not ever without trying to climb to the top of the cage first. I was hoping that someone could tell me if that's normal, or if I just happened to get a gecko with a lot of character and determination! I d really like to put the styrofoam rock back in because it looks neat, and he enjoys climbing it (good exercise). But I'm not sure that I can keep the styrofoam clean with his habit. Thanks a lot Sarah -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]aggressive white spots
Sandy--- White-spotted geckos' real name, their scientific name, is Tarentola annularis. They are not the gecko to get if you like to handle your geckos. My favorite gecko for handling is the Northern Velvet Gecko...Oedura castelnaui. They are about 7 long from snout to tail tip. They are native to Australia and love to climb glass! Captive-bred northern velvet geckos are available in the USA. Check out www.gekkota.com for photos. Elizabeth In an email dated Sun, 20 3 2005 8:51:55 pm GMT, Boo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: haha! see this is what i was wondering about. i know there is that japanese gecko that is also agressive. do white spotted gecko's have a real name that i can resolve on the inet to find info. they are glass climbers so i wonder if this means agressive if handled and/or agressive around others of his species? thanks for letting me know they are agressive. THIS EXPLAINS WHY THE PET STORE SELLS IT CHEAP. go figure! ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko] Our friend
Lyle--- It would be good to write an article in an upcoming Chit Chat about Juergen, his life, and contributions. Including a photograph would be welcome! Are you the guy to do this? Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge -Original Message- From: Lyle Puente [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:19:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [gecko] Our friend Juergen Pietschmann has passed away this last Monday after his long fight with cancer. We have all lost a good friend. Lyle Puente President Global Gecko Association My Brothers Banned http://www.mybrothersbanned.com ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]RE: gecko digest
Jason--- Good wishes for your ailing female Mossy Leaf Tail. The best of luck for you and all your Leaf Tails in containing and eradicating all remaining mites ASAP! Keep us posted. Elizabeth Seattle In a message dated 1/23/2005 9:17:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, Lyle Puente [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HI Jason, Im glad you isolated the animals. Were the geckos they were with established? I would keep a close eye and the cages may need to be broken down and cleaned. As for the female, imports can be very very unpredictable. They can drop with little warning for reasons only a good necropsy can tell. Best of luck with her On Jan 23, 2005, at 4:28 AM, Jason Perillo wrote: Lyle and Elizabeth, I actually have them isolated from the rest of my animals in individual cages now. The gecko that is the latest to come down with the mites is a female mossy that has rapidly hit the fan health wise. I'm giving her some pedialyte like substance in hopes that it will perk her back up. She's just extremely stressed and slowly coming together. First down, then up, then back down again... I have hopes she'll turn for the better. I started to give her some soaks today to see if she'll take to rehydration. Wish me luck on her. cheers jason Lyle Puente President Global Gecko Association My Brothers Banned http://www.mybrothersbanned.com ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Red Mites on Uroplatus Geckos...
Lyle--- I note that you are recommending liquid soap for mite treatment. Have you found that liquid soap is more effective than vegetable or mineral oil for suffocating mites? Always interested in the latest, most effective remedies. Elizabeth Seattle Lyle Puente writes: I would quarantine each gecko in a sparsely furnished cage and treat each gecko by hand. I use a cotton swab dipped in liquid soap and dab a drop on each mite. They will then easily be wiped off with a dry swab. Onced they are all removedkeep a close watch for more who may venture out of deep recesses. In a week or two eggs may hatch with a fresh batch. On Jan 22, 2005, at 1:39 AM, Jason Perillo wrote: Greetings all, Anyone ever dealt with Mites on Uroplatus Geckos? I just recently imported a fairly good sized group of these geckos and two animals that are housed together have just started to show signs of red mites. The mites are in low numbers and are not very obvious. I saw about ten total on both geckos. The animals that are invected are my Mossy Leaf Tails. Any tips would be appreciated as I would like to part with this issue as soon as possible. I'm looking for the safest method of ridding them from the geckos. Cheers Jason Lyle Puente President Global Gecko Association My Brothers Banned http://www.mybrothersbanned.com ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Happy 14th Birthday, Standing Houdini!
Barbie Houdini--- Congratulations! I always like to hear of older geckos! I have a Lepidodactylus lugubris who is 16.5 yo now :-} Kinda wondering what I'm gonna do though, since I have 9 Oedura castelnaui, the oldest of which is nearly 5.5 yo, and a pair of leopards ~3 yo. Guess I gotta make provisions for them in my will. Elizabeth Seattle I understood the reference... I was wondering if that was what you were full of??? :-P Day by day, brother ... day by day ... Could be anything. BTW, I know the original thread is a problem with a Standing's, but today is Houdini's [my Standing's] 14th birthday. Barbie ^,,^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Save the whales - collect the whole set. ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Searching for Australian contact for Australian geckos
Hi--- Can someone out there point me in the direction of an Australian interested in native geckos? Much appreciated!!! -- Elizabeth Freer Seattle, Washington USA geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko] Science news article
Very interesting, Lyle--- Thanks for forwarding this to the list! Elizabeth For complete article see: http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20041127/fob8.asp Color at Night: Geckos can distinguish hues by dim moonlight Susan Milius Of all the vertebrates, a gecko has just become the first to ace behavioral tests for seeing color in very low illumination. People, for example, go color-blind in light equivalent to dim moonlight, but helmet geckos, Tarentola chazaliae, don't. They can still tell a blue from a gray of the same intensity, report Lina S.V. Roth and Almut Kelber, both of the University of Lund in Sweden, in an upcoming Biology Letters. Earlier physiology had shown that most vertebrates deploy two systems of light-sensitive cells in their eyes. Two or more types of cone cells work together to sense color in abundant light, and a single type of rod cell detects light more sensitively, but only in black and white. Thus, when the seeing gets tough, people forgo color vision and rely on their rods. Lizards, however, lack rods, presumably because they evolved for a long period as strictly daytime creatures. Copyright ©2004 Science Service Lyle Puente President Global Gecko Association My Brothers Banned http://www.mybrothersbanned.com ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Elizabeth geckos make me smile huge ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Seattle area: 10th Annual Northwest Captive Breeders' Expo---Oct 23-24
Here's news of another Seattle show: Northwest Captive Breeders' Expo 10th Annual Captive Bred Reptile Small Exotic Animal Sale Puyallup Fairgrounds Expo Hall Puyallup (near Seattle Tacoma), Washington 23-24 October 2004 Saturday: 10-5 Sunday: 10-4 Adult admission: $6 one day, $10 both days Children 12 and under free Free Parking in the Gold Lot www.beanfarm.com/NWCBE.html Come visit Melody Hartley from Aloha, Oregon and me at the GGA booth. Paul Davis from Bellingham (Paul Davis Reptiles)will be at the next booth over. Melody is bringing a crested gecko and a mad mad for display; I'll have a Ptychozoon kuhli, an Oedura castelnaui, and some Lepidodactylus lugubris. We will have GGA membership materials and GGA journals for sale, including Gekko 4.1, thanks to Leann! -- Northwest Captive Breeders' Show: Oct. 23-24! Puyallup Fairgrounds (near Seattle Tacoma) Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Hurricanes geckos
Hi Out There--- Just hoping that all who have suffered with the hurricanes this season are slowly getting their lives back together. Glad that I live in the Pacific Northwest! -- Time for another Puyallup gecko show 3rd weekend of October! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko] MARS show
Kevin--- Did you realize that most of the journals Gekko are available t urchase...$7.50 each for members? Hope you meet some fellow members soon...this list is a great way to network. Maybe if you are a member of MARS, you might have a table with your geckos and help to spread the word :-} Just an idea. That's what I am doing in Seattle this weekend athe Reptiles of the World show at the Pacific Science Center. Elizabeth Kevin Bullick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOVE the periodicals btw - Original Message - From: Kevin Bullick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [gecko] MARS show I was just looking to possibly meet the Rep for my area that is all. I am a newer member of the GGA and as of yet have not met anyone else associated with the group. At this show I am planning on hopefully picking up one or two Rhacodactylus ciliatus. This will be my first venture into aboreal geckos. -Kevin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [gecko] MARS show Kevin--- Are you looking for something particular? Elizabeth Pacific Northwest Regional GGA Rep In a message dated 9/16/2004 1:10:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kevin Bullick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is the GGA going to be at the Mid-Atlantic Reptile SHow this weekend? ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Time for three gecko shows! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Time for three gecko shows! Elizabeth -- Time for three gecko shows! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko] MARS show
Kevin--- Did you realize that most of the journals Gekko are available t urchase...$7.50 each for members? Hope you meet some fellow members soon...this list is a great way to network. Maybe if you are a member of MARS, you might have a table with your geckos and help to spread the word :-} Just an idea. That's what I am doing in Seattle this weekend athe Reptiles of the World show at the Pacific Science Center. Elizabeth Kevin Bullick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOVE the periodicals btw - Original Message - From: Kevin Bullick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [gecko] MARS show I was just looking to possibly meet the Rep for my area that is all. I am a newer member of the GGA and as of yet have not met anyone else associated with the group. At this show I am planning on hopefully picking up one or two Rhacodactylus ciliatus. This will be my first venture into aboreal geckos. -Kevin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [gecko] MARS show Kevin--- Are you looking for something particular? Elizabeth Pacific Northwest Regional GGA Rep In a message dated 9/16/2004 1:10:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kevin Bullick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is the GGA going to be at the Mid-Atlantic Reptile SHow this weekend? ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Time for three gecko shows! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Time for three gecko shows! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko] MARS show
Kevin--- Are you looking for something particular? Elizabeth Pacific Northwest Regional GGA Rep In a message dated 9/16/2004 1:10:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kevin Bullick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is the GGA going to be at the Mid-Atlantic Reptile SHow this weekend? ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Time for three gecko shows! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]GGA Publications and Membership
Hi Neil Dee--- Congratulations on your new family! Been thinking about you four alot lately, ever since you posted earlier this summer about your new home with a state-of-the-forArt gecko room and your new two young children. How you guys do it is most amazing! Obviously it's an understatement to reply that life will be way different now!! Thanks for all you do for and with geckos and the Global Gecko Association, Neil and Dee!!! Hope the kids like geckos! :-] Stay cool, Elizabeth Hi Leann and All, Recent delays in publications are due largely to life-changing events of the past 6 months that have taken all my free time. Things are getting back to normal now that we've moved except that Dee and I will be adoptive parents of two wonderful children in about two weeks : ) Gekko is close to going to print and should be done in August. It's a fat 44 pages and looks like one of the best issues to date. It will be worth the wait! Neil Members and interested persons: I have had many inquiries lately about when the next publication is due to GGA members. The next publication, Gekko 4.1, is at the lay-out stage. It is difficult for me to say when it will come out (August or September) as all of our publications are put together by volunteers. These volunteers give their time generously, however the GGA can only ask for many hours before we begin to intrude on their professional time. GGA membership is based on publications, 2 Gekkos and 4 Chit Chats, and not on 12 calendar months. If, for whatever reason, publications are slow in coming, then we extend all memberships accordingly. In the past, a membership year has averaged about 18 months. The current membership is due Chit Chat 13, 14, 15, and 16, and Gekko 4.1 and 4.2. Thank you to each paid GGA member. Leann Christenson Membership Secretary Global Gecko Association www.gekkota.com -- Neil Meister Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com http://www.gekkota.com/html/gecko_night_2002.html President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Yippee, it's summer...enjoy! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Welcome Newbie/advanced support
Hi Dana--- You are quite welcome. I can't advise you on the better general reptile magazines out there. I do recommend the 1995 English translation of Henkel Schmidt's 1991 Geckoes: Biology, Husbandry, Reproduction or their newer version published in 2003. That is a must for any geckophile's library!! If the Bean Farm doesn't have the International Gecko Society journals, I know of a Washington state source who definitely might. (Just completed my Dactylus volumes with Dactylus 1, #1 from that very source.) The books you've told us about seem right in line with your interests. Very interesting to hear about your 13 geckos (days, rhacs, leopards) in just 6 months! Any eggs yet? Sounds like you've been bitten, that you are rather serious about geckos. I totally agree that it's about time you became a GGA member (heh,heh!). Really, what better way to invest only $32 per gecko year for such a wonderful education and networking opportunities. Elizabeth Seattle Off the subject, but would you or anyone else on the list have any recommendations for a relative newbie like myself for gecko/reptile magazines and/or journals? I think Elizabeth has that covered. You might check out http://www.beanfarm.com for old IGS (International Gecko Society) journals, sometimes they have some. Julie B. ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]2005 Gecko Calendars?
Hi--- Has anyone heard of any gecko calendars being published for 2005? In the past geckophiles have been fortunate to have calendars by Natur und Tier, Matt Davenport, and Milan Vesely. (I don't know whether it is reasonable for any of those folks to team up on such an effort.) -- Yippee, it's summer...enjoy! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Predicting Phelsuma Clutch Sites Revisited...Dactylus, vol 1, #1
Hi Everyone, Tonight I read an interesting article in Dactylus, vol 1, #1 by Carl Lerner about the smaller species of Phelsuma. Carl found that by using small jars (those baby food jars or larger) filled with loosely packed sphagnum moss topped with say a TP roll that he could predict the location of Phelsuma eggs (within the jar or on the TP roll). He also reported that eggs laid in the moss or on the TP roll were fertile about 90% of the time. At the time of writing he had not had success with Phelsuma barbouri cooperation. Although this practice is not aesthetically pleasing, the jar can be camouflaged. The practicality of Carl's suggestions are definitely worth a go. Now have any of you Phelsuma breeders out there tried this with P klemmeri or had success with other species? Lepidodactylus lugubris will lay their eggs just about anywhere. One of their favorite sites are tic-tac boxes! -- Yippee, it's summer...enjoy! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Predicting Phelsuma Clutch Sites Revisited...Dactylus, vol 1, #1
Hi--- After observing these geckos over the years, I found it best to supply one setup per animal. Some of my Phelsuma will spend most of the day in the tubes with their heads peering out over the tops. Carl Lerner, Dactylus, vol 1, #1 Elizabeth Hi Everyone, Tonight I read an interesting article in Dactylus, vol 1, #1 by Carl Lerner about the smaller species of Phelsuma. Carl found that by using small jars (those baby food jars or larger) filled with loosely packed sphagnum moss topped with say a TP roll that he could predict the location of Phelsuma eggs (within the jar or on the TP roll). He also reported that eggs laid in the moss or on the TP roll were fertile about 90% of the time. At the time of writing he had not experienced success with Phelsuma barbouri cooperation. Although this practice is not aesthetically pleasing, the jar can be camouflaged. The practicality of Carl's suggestions is definitely worth a go. Now have any of you Phelsuma breeders out there tried this with P klemmeri or had success with other species? Lepidodactylus lugubris will lay their eggs just about anywhere. One of their favorite sites are tic-tac boxes! -- Yippee, it's summer...enjoy! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Yippee, it's summer...enjoy! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Predicting Phelsuma Clutch Sites Revisited...Dactylus,vol 1, #1
Yuri--- You are very welcome. [I love posting to this list!!] Carl Lerner neither made mention of how large his tanks were nor his placement of the baby food jar/TP setups. From his description and photographs only the jars were filled with loosely packed sphagnum moss...the TP rolls sat atop the moss and were empty. It is a two-page article. Post me off-list with your address and I'll be happy to send you a copy. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:37:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Elizbeth, Thanks for posting this great tip. Any chance you could provide a bit more information? Did Carl place the jar anywhere in particular in the enclosure? How big was the enclosure? Was the outside of the toilet paper tube only filled with sphagnum or was the inside of the tube also filled or at least contain some sphagnum? Other details would be great. Yuri H Hi--- After observing these geckos over the years, I found it best to supply one setup per animal. Some of my Phelsuma will spend most of the day in the tubes with their heads peering out over the tops. Carl Lerner, Dactylus, vol 1, #1 Elizabeth Hi Everyone, Tonight I read an interesting article in Dactylus, vol 1, #1 by Carl Lerner about the smaller species of Phelsuma. Carl found that by using small jars (those baby food jars or larger) filled with loosely packed sphagnum moss topped with say a TP roll that he could predict the location of Phelsuma eggs (within the jar or on the TP roll). He also reported that eggs laid in the moss or on the TP roll were fertile about 90% of the time. At the time of writing he had not experienced success with Phelsuma barbouri cooperation. Although this practice is not aesthetically pleasing, the jar can be camouflaged. The practicality of Carl's suggestions is definitely worth a go. Now have any of you Phelsuma breeders out there tried this with P klemmeri or had success with other species? Lepidodactylus lugubris will lay their eggs just about anywhere. One of their favorite sites are tic-tac boxes! -- Yippee, it's summer...enjoy! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Yippee, it's summer...enjoy! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Yippee, it's summer...enjoy! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Perlite...Schultz's Aquatic Plant Soil
Hey Ron---
I appreciate your cheery greetings here. To get my e-mails to automatically post to
GGA's listserve I have to go to www.aol.com to check and reply to any GGA listserve
posts. I still cannot post directly to GGA's web site from my AOL 6.0 software and
have that post come through in plain text, ASCII format. Don't know how you do it via
your AOL 5.0 software.
AOL tech support has basically been useless :-{
Look forward to the day when I can be totally back.
Elizabeth
Elizabeth, your back? (YEAH )
-Ron Van Heest
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Re: [gecko]Perlite...Schultz's Aquatic Plant Soil
William--- Another incubation medium currently in use is Schultz's Aquatic Plant Soil. It is 100% Natural Ceramic Granules. Fill a 16 oz deli cup 2/3 full of APS after dampening it. You don't want standing water. Then use a push pin to poke 6 holes only in the lid. You are ready for the eggs. For leopard eggs I make an indentation in the medium so that the egg is half covered. Just hatched a leopard gecko June 6 using this method!! Elizabeth Hi William, I made the switch to perlite two years ago. Rick has a key point in that it does not hold water the way vermiculite does. Perlite is not very absorbent at all, so you have to change your thinking. I have come up with a weight system for setting it up and maintaining it with leopard eggs using the tall 6 cups with airholes sold by Superior Enterprise http://www.superiorenterprise.com . I fill the cups with perlite about 1/4 below the airholes. You need to add more perlite than vermiculite because of the moisture retaining difference. Make sure you do not use all fine perlite as the fine stuff really becomes hard and does not leave room for the eggs to grow. I usually mix the coarse and fine stuff (that is how it comes in the bag). Then, I pour water evenly to about 200g in weight. How much water you add after that and how often depends on how fast water evaporates from your set-up. I am able to service my deli cups with eggs about once a week. Using a gram scale you will be able to establish a baseline that works. Make sure you mostly cover up the eggs in the perlite, vermiculite you leave more egg showing. You will probably screw up some eggs, however, remember to err on the dry side at first. In time you will sort it out. Julie B. Rick Gale wrote: I've used perlite to incubate pairs of rhacodactylus ciliatus eggs. I use it pretty much just like vermiculite. The main difference is it doesn't really hold water the same way. I wet the perlite until it is thoroughly dampened, then pour off all excess water so that there is no standing water in the container. I weigh it and mist it back to its original mass every few days. I use a plastic container with a lid and several air holes. Depending on the species you are trying to hatch, your mileage may vary, but I've had no problems with this at all. Rick Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gecko]Perlite Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:37:33 -0400 Hello, I am thinking of switching from vermiculite to perlite as an incubation medium. I am unsure how to use perlite. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, William ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- Yippee, it's summer...enjoy! Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Hemidactylus triedrus
Hi Claire--- Have you already tried field guides from their locale? Elizabeth Hello, I am hoping someone on here could help me. I am getting a pair of Hemidactylus triedrus soon and I am having trouble finding ANY information on them. All I'm getting is 3 photos taken by Jon Boone. I can't find any written info regarding the habitat they require. So I'm wondering if anyone on the lists has kept them or knows someone who has? Thanks, Claire ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]testing from work
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[gecko]Testing recommended by AOL
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[gecko]Re: testing
Subj: testing Date: 4/25/2004 11:22:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Elizabeth Freer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Testing Elizabeth ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Introducing Gecko Pairs 100
Julie--- Well, there are a pair of P klemmeri, soon a pair of P barbouri, and several Oedura castelnaui eagerly awaiting their initial meeting! Elizabeth Subj: Re: [gecko]Introducing Gecko Pairs 100 Date: 4/22/2004 11:51:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: Julie Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) Typically I would introduce males days later. What kind of gecko? Juile B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks--- When introducing breeding gecko pairs into a freshly cleaned vivarium is there a standard protocol? Females first, males 10 minutes later? Elizabeth Seattle ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
SV: [gecko]Gekko
Subj: Re: SV: [gecko]Gekko Date: 3/23/04 12:50:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ingo Kober) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi obeligz the book is making good progressso far. We should have met in Hamm. Among other lizards I have sold about a dozen c.b. tokays from baby to almost adult there. I did see a lot of wc ulikovskii at Hamm, but not a single cb specimen and I aquired a nice pair of G. monarchus. Here in Germany there are breeders of G. gecko, G. vittatus and G. petricolus. Very few G. ulikovskii . G. smithii, G. siamensis and G. grossmanni have been bred so far and as far as I know, these days there is no breeder of these species (with the exception of a few ulikovskii breeders) left over and maybe I am the only grossmanni breeder. Sad! I AM Still looking for Pics, but I do have aspecieal wishlist, which mainly consists of hatchlings of all species exept for G. gecko, G. vittatus and G. grossmanni . Cheers Ingo obeligz schrieb: Hi Ingo. :o) How's you book coming along? I'm looking forward to when it's finished. :o) Will there be an English version? I breed tockays regularly but not on a large scale since I can't sell much babies. I think I sold around 10-12 hatchlings last year. I'm working on my f3 generation now, hopefully I can find a CB female to breed with my holdback from last season.. In Norway, or maybe even in Scandinavia in general there are very few breeders of the species. Most ppl keep single animals or keep pairs on too small enclosures for them to start breeding. I have a feeling that G. vittatus and G. ulikovskii are bred in some small extent but with the others it's very hard to find CB animals. At Terraristika Hamm 2 weeks ago I found only 4-5 tockays (all WC), 6-8? G. vittatus (half of them CB) and I remember seeing some few G. ulikovskii CB animals but very few, there were some few WC animals of the same species also. On a side note, I don't know if you're still looking for pictures but my Ex made a nice drawing of a tockay, I can rescan it for you if you're interested. regards obeligz msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] )/_ _.--..---"-,--c_ \L..' ._O__)_ ,-. _.+ _ \..--( / `\.-''__.-'\ ( \_ `''' `\__ /\ ') -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] På vegne av Ingo Kober Sendt: 22. mars 2004 12:20 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: [gecko]Gekko Dear all, maybe you remember that I am writing a book about husbandry of Gekko (not Gecko) species. Hence it is of interest to me, to know how many people do in fact regularily breed species of this genus. So all you Gekko gecko, Gekko vittatus, Gekko monarchus, Gekko grossmanni, Gekko ulikovskii, Gekko siamensis, Gekko smithii, Gekko petricolus etc etc breeders tell me how many babies you have per year of which species and since then. Sadly my impression so far is that with the exception of some tokay and white lined gecko breeders (plus some petricolus breeders in europe), there is hardly anybody out there who does regularily breed these animals. Do all the thousands of G. grossmanni imports just die! Please tell me that I ´m wrong Also I would like to know whether the "patternless " (you only see very faint stripes in certain light situations) variant of Gekko vittatus is typical for a certain population (where do those come from???) or wether they occur in any G. vittatus population here and then. And also: What do you think: Are the small (11-14 preanal pores; males max 9") and the large (14-18 preanal pores, Males 10"") G. grossmanni" the same species or are there two species traded under that name? Why do you think so??? Looking forward to replies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ingo
Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko
Chris--- Thanks for your post regarding thorough cleaning of glass with ammonia to rid the tank of any potential cryptosporidia oocysts and your further suggestion to err on the side of caution with other cage furniture. Elizabeth Subj: Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko Date: 4/4/04 8:10:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (chris normand) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Diana, I am very sorry for your loss. Just a word of caution, if the gecko did have crypto, bleach will not kill the oocysts. The only common household product that will kill crypto oocysts is ammonia. If you used a glass aquarium, spray down all surfaces with ammonia and let it sit for a day or two spraying a few more times during that time. Obviously rinse and air very well before using again. Personally, I would throw any cage decorations away. The oocysts are known to be infective for months outside of a reptile host so I would definitely err on the side of caution. Chris Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 02:54:08 EST Subject: Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Diana--- So very sorry to hear that Lucky has died. I know how sad you must be. You gave her t he best of chances and a lotta love. I wish that every gecko was as fortunate as Lucky, but also that more folks were knowledgeable so that she did not end up in this state to begin with. (I did check out your photo of Lucky in her skinny state.) [When River saw the vet, he said that he did not feel any impaction.] It seems to me that if you sterilize all with a 10% bleach solution that you will be safe using her cage and furniture again. Just be certain to air things out before adding any new gecko. Have you other geckos? May Lucky rest in peace, Elizabeth
Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko
Diana--- Glad that you have a pair of blizzards to keep you company. Were they malnourished when you rescued them? What about zapping the wood in your microwave for 30 seconds or so to "sterilize" it? The bark does have a tendency to "want" to separate from the wood. Elizabeth In a message dated 4/2/04 2:54:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had some wood hides in there, would baking those get them good and disinfected or am I better off just getting rid of them? Someone told me to boil the wood, but I think the wood would get funny after that. l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert robert hubert 15.5 yo r.i.p. r.i.p (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
[gecko]Jodi A please contact me offlist
Hi Jodi--- Please contact me offlist. Elizabeth Seattle l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert robert hubert 15.5 yo r.i.p. r.i.p (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko
Hi Diana--- You are so welcome! I don't know if it's worth a try, but you might take a shot at explaining to your pet store manager what happens to young leopard geckos kept on sand. The longer their pets live the longer folks will be buying supplies and crickets from them. If someone has a good experience with their first gecko, hopefully they might be interested in branching out. Good to hear about the product Jumpstart. I was using a "slurry" of Reptile Fare which my vet gave me. Ultimately, however, River began to regurgitate it. I do wonder whether River had crypto. He/she was a classroom gecko. Wonder about the size of the leopards that Julie successfully rescued. Do keep us posted on Lucky's progress? Has she gained any weight? Elizabeth Subj: Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko Date: 3/31/04 11:08:38 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diana) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Elizabeth! Thanks so much for all the info, its a very big help. Unfortunately the pet store keeps all of their geckos on sand. Personally I prefer to keep even my older leopard's on paper towel, but at least "Lucky" has been defacting normally, so I don't feel impaction from the sand is an issue. I appreciate the info very much, I plan on having an acid fast fecal stain done ASAP. Thanks so much. Diana - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko Hi Diana--- Perhaps my experience will help you. Catriona, a vet tech on this list, recommended an acid fast fecal stain for cryptosporidia for River, my rescue leopard gecko, who died last fall. Your little leopard sounds like she is doing quite poorly. So sorry. Had the pet store kept her on paper towels? Only paper towels or reptile carpet is recommended for leopards under one year old. Elizabeth Subj: Re: [gecko]Catriona: Adult Leopard 8" long, only 17.5 gms! Update.. Date: 11/16/03 9:22:41 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Catriona Lindsay) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Elizabeth, I am sorry to here that you lost River. I know you did all you could for her. To answer your question. Cryptosporidia is a type of coccidia. It is transmitted in feces. I suspect that many of the Leopard geckos in collections have this parasite. I think the geckos do ok with this parasite, until they get either stressed or just have too much of a parasite load. I see the most problems in young leopard geckos or very old leopard geckos. The problem with cyrpto is that a regular fecal exam will not show if the gecko has the parasite. You have to have an acid fast stain done or a necropsy. Then on top of that there really is no cure for the parasite. Treatments can make the animal more comfortable, but will not eradicate the crypto. Catriona At 02:02 AM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hi Catriona--- Thanks for your input here. If I'd have known about an acid fast stain for crypto I'd have had one run. How do leopard geckos get crypto? River passed away shortly after midnight on October 5th at scarcely 13.5 grams. I did my best for her with the information that I had, but it was scarcely enough. A couple oxyrid eggs were found in the fecal float and the fecal C S was within normal limits. The vet also sent out a fecal sample which showed moderate mixed enteric flora. No aeromonas species, no salmonella species, and no pseudomonas aeruginosa were isolated. Thank you for your assistance, Catriona. Elizabeth Subj: Re: [gecko]Urgent: Adult Leopard 8" long, only 17.5 gms! Update.. Date: 10/23/03 10:04:35 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Catriona Lindsay) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Elizabeth, If this gecko has lost so much weight that you are concerned about its health, then I would do an acid fast stain. Crypto geckos look emaciated and have thin tails. Catriona
Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko
Hi Diana--- So very sorry to hear that Lucky has died. I know how sad you must be. You gave her the best of chances and a lotta love. I wish that every gecko was as fortunate as Lucky, but also that more folks were knowledgeable so that she did not end up in this state to begin with. (I did check out your photo of Lucky in her skinny state.) [When River saw the vet, he said that he did not feel any impaction.] It seems to me that if you sterilize all with a 10% bleach solution that you will be safe using her cage and furniture again. Just be certain to air things out before adding any new gecko. Have you other geckos? May Lucky rest in peace, Elizabeth Subj: Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko Date: 4/1/04 11:29:33 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diana) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I just wanted to thank everyone for the great advice and information. Sadly, Lucky didn't make it. We will miss her very much. In the short time she was here she touched many of us. At least she is no longer suffering. The advice and information I received from this list is greatly appreciated, I am only sorry I didn't come here sooner, so thank you everyone who responded to my message. I'm now faced with putting her tank and furniture away, or getting rid of it. Since I don't know what she died of would it be better to get rid of her things, or is there a safe way to disinfect them? Elizabeth - It never occurred to me to bring up some of those points to store managers when explaining about the problems with sand. I will certainly keep them in mind next time I am at the pet store. Thanks again, Diana - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko Hi Diana--- You are so welcome! I don't know if it's worth a try, but you might take a shot at explaining to your pet store manager what happens to young leopard geckos kept on sand. The longer their pets live the longer folks will be buying supplies and crickets from them. If someone has a good experience with their first gecko, hopefully they might be interested in branching out. Good to hear about the product Jumpstart. I was using a "slurry" of Reptile Fare which my vet gave me. Ultimately, however, River began to regurgitate it. I do wonder whether River had crypto. He/she was a classroom gecko. Wonder about the size of the leopards that Julie successfully rescued. Do keep us posted on Lucky's progress? Has she gained any weight? Elizabeth Subj: Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko Date: 3/31/04 11:08:38 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diana) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Elizabeth! Thanks so much for all the info, its a very big help. Unfortunately the pet store keeps all of their geckos on sand. Personally I prefer to keep even my older leopard's on paper towel, but at least "Lucky" has been defacting normally, so I don't feel impaction from the sand is an issue. I appreciate the info very much, I plan on having an acid fast fecal stain done ASAP. Thanks so much. Diana - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko Hi Diana--- Perhaps my experience will help you. Catriona, a vet tech on this list, recommended an acid fast fecal stain for cryptosporidia for River, my rescue leopard gecko, who died last fall. Your little leopard sounds like she is doing quite poorly. So sorry. Had the pet store kept her on paper towels? Only paper towels or reptile carpet is recommended for leopards under one year old. Elizabeth Subj: Re: [gecko]Catriona: Adult Leopard 8" long, only 17.5 gms! Update.. Date: 11/16/03 9:22:41 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Catriona Lindsay) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Elizabeth, I am sorry to here that you lost River. I know you did all you could for her. To answer your question. Cryptosporidia is a type of coccidia. It is transmitted in feces. I suspect that many of the Leopard geckos in collections have this parasite. I think the geckos do ok with this parasite, until they get either stressed or just have too much of a parasite load. I see the most problems in young leopard geckos or very old leopard geckos. The problem with cyrpto is that a regular fecal exam will not show if the gecko has the parasite. You have to have an acid fast stain done or a necropsy. Then on top of that there really is no cure for the parasite. Treatments can make the animal more comfortable, but will not eradicate the crypto. Catriona At 02:02 AM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hi Catriona--- Thanks for your input here. If I'd have known about an acid fast
Re: forward: [gecko]sick leopard gecko
Hi Diana--- Perhaps my experience will help you. Catriona, a vet tech on this list, recommended an acid fast fecal stain for cryptosporidia for River, my rescue leopard gecko, who died last fall. Your little leopard sounds like she is doing quite poorly. So sorry. Had the pet store kept her on paper towels? Only paper towels or reptile carpet is recommended for leopards under one year old. Elizabeth Subj: Re: [gecko]Catriona: Adult Leopard 8" long, only 17.5 gms! Update.. Date: 11/16/03 9:22:41 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Catriona Lindsay) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Elizabeth, I am sorry to here that you lost River. I know you did all you could for her. To answer your question. Cryptosporidia is a type of coccidia. It is transmitted in feces. I suspect that many of the Leopard geckos in collections have this parasite. I think the geckos do ok with this parasite, until they get either stressed or just have too much of a parasite load. I see the most problems in young leopard geckos or very old leopard geckos. The problem with cyrpto is that a regular fecal exam will not show if the gecko has the parasite. You have to have an acid fast stain done or a necropsy. Then on top of that there really is no cure for the parasite. Treatments can make the animal more comfortable, but will not eradicate the crypto. Catriona At 02:02 AM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hi Catriona--- Thanks for your input here. If I'd have known about an acid fast stain for crypto I'd have had one run. How do leopard geckos get crypto? River passed away shortly after midnight on October 5th at scarcely 13.5 grams. I did my best for her with the information that I had, but it was scarcely enough. A couple oxyrid eggs were found in the fecal float and the fecal C S was within normal limits. The vet also sent out a fecal sample which showed moderate mixed enteric flora. No aeromonas species, no salmonella species, and no pseudomonas aeruginosa were isolated. Thank you for your assistance, Catriona. Elizabeth Subj: Re: [gecko]Urgent: Adult Leopard 8" long, only 17.5 gms! Update.. Date: 10/23/03 10:04:35 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Catriona Lindsay) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Elizabeth, If this gecko has lost so much weight that you are concerned about its health, then I would do an acid fast stain. Crypto geckos look emaciated and have thin tails. Catriona
Re: [gecko]Sick Leopard Gecko
Hi Diana Julie--- What about doing an acid fast fecal stain for crypto ASAP? What about tepid water soaks in an effort to rehydrate her? Elizabeth Subj: Re: [gecko]Sick Leopard Gecko Date: 3/30/04 9:08:13 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Julie Bergman) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Diana, Diana wrote: Hi! I have been "browsing" this list for a while, but never posted anything myself. I've been impressed with the amount of information I have seen passed around here, though, and decided to post my recent problem. That is why we are here! :) I purchased a Leopard Gecko (Eublepharis macularius) from Petland Discounts about a month ago. He was starved/dehydrated beyond anything I have ever seen. He's pretty bad from the pix. He's been to the vet, and everything has checked out ok. Was the gecko given a fecal exam which looked for crypto too? If the gecko has crypto meds don't work very well. I would get a second fecal done in a couple weeks now that more poop is coming out! Our only option was to force feed him and hope for the best. So true! We started out feeding turkey baby food and pedialite. Then we switched to a "bug slurry", mealworms and waxworms blended into strawberry boost. He's fed 2cc's every night. He started out at 13 grams, and has now dropped to 9.6 grams. When we first got him home he slowly became more active, but now he has returned to his original state, never moving from his moist hide. He's even begun to defecate in there. I would like for him to have the best chance possible, and I am looking for alternatives to get him back on his feet and eating on his own. If anyone can lend a suggestion or some advice it would be greatly appreciated. I have posted a picture of him on my website if it will help. http://www.bronxprincess.com/luckypics.htm I would get some of Dr. Susan Donoghue's insectivore stress mix (blanking on what she calls the stuff). I have had good luck with it in rehab. UC Davis vet hospital also uses it, you first mix it with water and administer it the way you are doing. You can get it here: www.herpnutrition.com. 2cc sounds kinda low, I would go up another cc minimally. What does everyone else think? Correct temps are critical here for this gecko to give him a chance to digest properly. Non-scientifically enough I find some of these guys make it back from this state if you don't give up on them and talk to them in addition to the husbandry support. I also make point of putting them where they can see me if they want. Thanks! Diana You are very welcome. I must say you have a big heart to take on this guy! He is indeed very lucky!! Let us know if you have any questions and how he is doing. Julie Bergman l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert robert hubert 15.5 yo r.i.p. r.i.p (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]uroplatus...trouble posting???
Brandon--- I sent you an attached photo of an Oedura castelnaui a few minutes ago, but every time I try to post you my e-mail is returned with the note saying that your address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] has permanent fatal errors. Someone posted me this evening saying that I sent her a virus, but my Norton's virus definitions are up-to-date as of today and I personally had not sent her any e-mails. My Norton Antivirus indicates that there seem to be no problems with my machine. Elizabeth Seattle l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert robert hubert 15.5 yo r.i.p. r.i.p (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]Sand impaction---substrate ingestion
Mike--- I tried sending this to the list this AM, but it does not appear that it was ever received. Tonight I read of your necropsy. The pink tissue you speak of was from the vent to the intestine? Perhaps Stacy will chime in here. Elizabeth Subj: Re: [gecko]Sand impaction---substrate ingestion Date: 3/25/04 10:53:02 AM Pacific Standard Time From: Elizabeth Freer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike--- You're definitely welcome. I am so sorry to read that your little spider gecko has died. May she rest in peace. I know this is not easy for you, but consider it a learning experience. To the good health of all your future offspring, Elizabeth Subj: Re: [gecko]Sand impaction---substrate ingestion Date: 3/25/2004 6:52:40 AM Eastern Standard Time From: "maleldil" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) That's for all the help. I appreciate everything. The little gecko died this morning. I have kept your posts for future reference, however. This is the second spider I lost to sand, I think. The first one died from the prolapse. Thanks again, Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [gecko]Sand impaction---substrate ingestion Hi Mike--- I think Jurassic Reptile Sand is 100% quartz granules. It can be ordered by mail in 20 and 50 pound bags from Jerry Bergosh in Utah. He has a toll-free number. It is a good sign that your wee spider gecko is passing some sand. I do hope that this continues! I am unaware of any other ways to relieve the impaction, and you may have caught this before her blockage became total. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and your Ap. I know how difficult it is to lose a beloved gecko, even one not reared by our own hands. Perhaps it is not too late for her. I believe in keeping to try. Soft food, no bugs, is a must since you say she regurgitated the last cricket you fed her. You seem to be doing all the things my vet recommended: soft baby food, tepid water soaks, and oil. My gecko seemed to like licking the CatLax off her lips. (With felines CatLax is used to treat furballs.) Don't overdue any of these treatments. More is not always better. Patience is often the key. You might prepare yourself for some prolapse should she pass more sand and some rectal tissue after a tepid water soak as mine once did. You may be able to reinsert such tissue by gently using a q-tip [I say that knowing that my Oc is 15 gm to your Ap 5 gm---but you might need much smaller instruments like the "probes" in a vet's eye kit] generously lubricated with Artificial Tears Ointment by Phoenix Pharmaceuticals in Missouri. Of course, lubricate the prolapse as well. Artificial Tears Ointment can be obtained/ordered at your local pharmacy for about $3.45 US dollars per 3.5 gram tube. [Don't use K-Y jelly as the lubricant. It is too drying.] Major prolapses should receive immediate first aid of an extended soak in 50% dextrose solution and veterinary assistance immediately. Granulated sugar can actually be applied directly to the prolapse with your finger. In my case the "swelling" did not seem to be reduced by that treatment, but what I saw were the actual tissues. I hope that my soaks prevented swelling. Mike, do keep us informed about her continued health. Elizabeth Pacific Northwest Regional GGA Rep Subj: Re: [gecko]Sand impaction---substrate ingestion Date: 3/24/04 2:53:59 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (maleldil) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I switched to Repti-Sand. It is made of quartz and is very soft. I have no clue what Jurassic sand is made of. I wish I did. Something you said piqued an interest: "Jurassic Reptile Sand has smooth granules. As we note even JRS has caused problems when accidentally ingested. Be certain to check out any potential sand you wish to use under a microscope. Sand often contains silica crystals which have pointy edges. Silica sand will accumulate in the gut. By the time problems are discovered it is too late to rectify them. " This would lead me to believe my little gecko is now doomed. She has ingested silica sand and I think a lot of it (relative to her size). I already mentioned that she passed a small quantity today. I hope she does it again. I guess all I can do now is wait. I will keep feeding her soft foods and I'll oil her up and give warm baths. It's one thing to lose a gecko purchased from a store but to lose one raised by my own little hands makes me a little more sad. (When I sell them, I don't know what happens to them so I just assume they are happy and healthy.) I hope she pulls through. As for the other spider geckos, I might just move to a feeding dish and save myself all the worry. Mike Elizabeth Seattle l l l ^^
Re: [gecko]Sand impaction---substrate ingestion
Hi Mike--- I think Jurassic Reptile Sand is 100% quartz granuales. It can be ordered by mail in 20 and 50 pound bags from Jerry Bergosh in Utah. He has a toll-free number. It is a good sign that your wee spider gecko is passing some sand. I do hope that this continues! I am unaware of any other ways to relieve the impaction, and you may have caught this before her blockage became total. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and your Ap. I know how difficult it is to lose a beloved gecko, even one not reared by our own hands. Perhaps it is not too late for her. I believe in keeping to try. Soft food, no bugs, is a must since you say she regurgitated the last cricket you fed her. You seem to be doing all the things my vet recommended: soft baby food, tepid water soaks, and oil. My gecko seemed to like licking the CatLax off her lips. (With felines CatLax is used to treat furballs.) Don't overdue any of these treatments. More is not always better. Patience is often the key. You might prepare yourself for some prolapse should she pass more sand and some rectal tissue after a tepid water soak as mine once did. You may be able to reinsert such tissue by gently using a q-tip [I say that knowing that my Oc is 15 gm to your Ap 5 gm---but you might need much smaller instruments like the "probes" in a vet's eye kit] generously lubricated with Artificial Tears Ointment by Phoenix Pharmaceuticals in Missouri. Of course, lubricate the prolapse as well. Artificial Tears Ointment can be obtained/ordered at your local pharmacy for about $3.45 US dollars per 3.5 gram tube. [Don't use K-Y jelly as the lubricant. It is too drying.] Major prolapses should receive immediate first aid of an extended soak in 50% dextrose solution and veterinary assistance immediately. Granulated sugar can actually be applied directly to the prolapse with your finger. In my case the "swelling" did not seem to be reduced by that treatment, but what I saw were the actual tissues. I hope that my soaks prevented swelling. Mike, do keep us informed about her continued health. Elizabeth Pacific Northwest Regional GGA Rep Subj: Re: [gecko]Sand impaction---substrate ingestion Date: 3/24/04 2:53:59 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (maleldil) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I switched to Repti-Sand. It is made of quartz and is very soft. I have no clue what Jurassic sand is made of. I wish I did. Something you said piqued an interest: "Jurassic Reptile Sand has smooth granules. As we note even JRS has caused problems when accidentally ingested. Be certain to check out any potential sand you wish to use under a microscope. Sand often contains silica crystals which have pointy edges. Silica sand will accumulate in the gut. By the time problems are discovered it is too late to rectify them. " This would lead me to believe my little gecko is now doomed. She has ingested silica sand and I think a lot of it (relative to her size). I already mentioned that she passed a small quantity today. I hope she does it again. I guess all I can do now is wait. I will keep feeding her soft foods and I'll oil her up and give warm baths. It's one thing to lose a gecko purchased from a store but to lose one raised by my own little hands makes me a little more sad. (When I sell them, I don't know what happens to them so I just assume they are happy and healthy.) I hope she pulls through. As for the other spider geckos, I might just move to a feeding dish and save myself all the worry. Mike I'm so confused. Don't spider geckos LIVE on sand?
Re: [gecko]Mealworm vs. Cricket plus introduction
In a message dated 2/26/2004 9:48:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Crickets stink BTW---please read attached for smell-free cricket keeping! Elizabeth Hassle-free Cricket Care.doc Description: Hassle-free Cricket Care.doc
[gecko]Re: cage cleaning solutions
Subj: [gecko]Re: cage cleaning solutions Date: 1/29/04 12:30:20 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Mayer) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now THIS IS an interesting topic. And one that can probably be resolved with some good data. Looking forward to seeing everyones sides on this one. From personal experience, bleach is the most wide spectrum bacteriacidal agent, but peroxide mixed with vinegar does have uses too. I wonder if were all talking about killing the same nasties here? Is peroxide more specific to certain pathogens? It would seem that they examined the three most common ones, but Julies point is well taken: theres all sorts of nasty stuff that develops around herps if youre not careful. If I recall correctly, peroxide and vinegar has a hard time penetrating spores and dormant bacteriaHmm, I sense an experiment coming on...In this corner, the reigning champion, 10% bleach! In this corner, the challenger, a tag team of peroxide and Vinegar! Following that, the undercard of Quatricide versus Nolvasan! Lets get ready to RLE! Sorry, feeling silly today. Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cage Cleaning Solutions and Plant Fertilizer (Julie Bergman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:09:21 -0800 From: Julie Bergman Organization: Gecko Ranch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gecko]Cage Cleaning Solutions and Plant Fertilizer Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Sam, I'd like to see the original study. This review of the original research is written for cleaning kitchens, and kitchens are not the same as herp environments. Another caveat I have in applying this to herps would be that these three bacteria are only a small blip of the large assortment of nasties that can pop up in the herp terrarium. I do understand the concern about bleach and toxicity. The room I use for sterilization has an overhead fan which is on the entire time bleach is present. I then make sure terrariums are fully rinsed and aired out (usually overnight) and do not have any bleach scent at all when I reuse the terrarium. It has been suggested in this forum to use hydrogen peroxide to follow up cleaning with 10% bleach solution to reduce any residue. For everyday spot cleaning I use Quatricide, an effective, non-harsh cleaner. I have used it with the 80+ species of geckos and lizards I have kept, have not lost one following introduction to a Quatricide-treated cage. I have not lost any to bleach-treated terraria either. The nice thing about Quatricide is that you just spray, wipe it out and you are done. I have even used it with herps in the terrarium when they were well out of the way. I have been following the 10% bleach regimen for 23 years with my herps since it was recommend by non-domestic veterinarians at UC Davis where I went to college. I keep checking in periodically with the vets at UCD and also my neighbor who is the head of the UC Davis Poison Control Center (she has a pharmacology Phd and treats all kinds of nasties affecting people) to see if there is anything more effective and available for the average person to use. They keep telling me 10% bleach is the way to go. I will present some research here soon so you can all make up your own minds about this. Julie Bergman GGA lifetime member www.geckoranch.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julie/Scubadug, Here is a site that'll explain how and why hydrogen peroxide is better than chlorine bleach. http://my.execpc.com/~mjstouff/articles/vinegar.html The tests were done at Virginia Polytechnic Institue and State University. The tests found that when hydrogen peroxide and vinegar were used as disinfectants that it killed almost all Salmonella, Shigella / E. Coli bacteria. Here is a direct quote from the site: "...making this spray combination (Hydrogen peroxide and vinegar)more effective at killing these potentially lethal bacteria than chlorine bleach or any comm ercially available kitchen cleaner." Also the FDA warns us about the cancerous affects of using chlorine bleach. Now in all honesty their is research proving hydrogen peroxide being better over chlorine bleach and vice versa. You'll find many different views and results on these two types of disinfectants. Regards, -Sam Subj: Re: [gecko]Cage Cleaning Solutions and Plant Fertilizer Date: 1/27/2004 10:20:51 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Sam, I have to completely agree with what Doug said here. I am sorry you were offended. P lease don't mistake our strong advocacy for proper sterilization procedures personally. There are lots of newbies on this list and it is important to give them the best information available. After all, this is what the GGA is all about, education for the betterment of gex. After keeping herps for some time, you will find their health
Re: [gecko]GGA is so EXTREMELY cool!
Garrett writes: Now I wish I had found out about the listserve before purchasing a gecko. Welcome aboard, Garrett!! I'm happy that you found out about GGA now. There are many folks on this list at all levels of gecko expertise! You've uncovered a gold mine. Be sure to let all your gecko friends know where to find us. Good luck on your gecko hunt at the San Francisco Conservatory of Flowers. I'd love to go to if I lived closer. Let us know what you find. (I've been wondering about this project of Julie's. It is good to have an update.) Cheers, Elizabeth Seattle l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert robert hubert 15.5 yo r.i.p. r.i.p (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]Seattle Herp vet- Dr. Jennifer Graham
Thanks, Julie, for your stamp of approval! Think Dr. Michelle Hawkins ended up returning to California, ?Davis. Elizabeth Subj: [gecko]Seattle Herp vet- Dr. Jennifer Graham Date: 2/21/04 11:30:30 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Julie Bergman) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gecko list) Here you go Seattle folks! http://www.seattleveterinaryspecialists.com/staff/graham.htm Dr. Graham was one of my favorite residents at UC Davis. She is an awesome herp/exotic vet. You guys up there are lucky, I was thinking about giving her flat tires so she could not drive up there! ;) Julie Bergman www.geckoranch.com GGA lifetime member
[gecko]Portland, Oregon Area Reptile Show: 28-29 February 2004
Hi All... Announcing the 21st Unique Animal Expo Pet Fair Reptiles...Birds...Mammals Washington County Fairgrounds Hillsboro, Oregon (near Portland) 28-29 February 2004 10 AM - 5 PM Adults: $6..Seniors Children: $3..Children under 5: free www.uniqueanimalexpo.com I will have a GGA display in the Reptile Room, booth #90, complete with GGA membership materials, all 6 journals for sale...earliest two are scarce, sample newsletters, my 6" Northern Velvet Gecko (Oedura castelnaui), a mature flying gecko (Ptychozoon kuhli), and a Phelsuma mad-mad! Just look for the GGA banner! GGA members are especially encouraged to assist. Please contact me offlist! Do stop by to say Hi! The Unique Animal Expo has donated over $24,000 from earlier shows to the Multiple Sclerosis Society. I'd like to extend special thanks to the UAE's organizers who have generously donated this booth to the GGA! See you in Hillsboro! Elizabeth Pacific Northwest Regional GGA Rep (206-324-3256) l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert robert hubert 15.5 yo r.i.p. r.i.p (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]debugging local moss for vivaria
Hi Neil--- Here is an alternative to the bugs: The Bean Farm (Herpetological Animal Husbandry Supplies) in Carnation, Washington (www.beanfarm.com) sells cage moss at $12 per bale or 3 or more $10 each. Here is the description from their catalogue: "Oregon green tree moss is a great cage substrate for amphibians and wetland environment reptiles. Also works great in egg-laying chambers. Moss is dry but will rehydrate and hold moisture with misting. Bales are approximately 8 inches cubed/compressed. An excellent value!" This moss actually is mostly still green, in contrast to similar moss you might find at home improvement stores which has long ago turned brown. I've a bale I'm using now. Elizabeth Subj: [gecko]debugging local moss for vivaria Date: 1/19/04 9:15:02 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Meister) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone have a method of debugging fresh-collected sphagnum moss? It's very hard to buy good quality sphagnum here, but it is very common locally. Thanks, Neil -- Neil Meister President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com
Re: [gecko]Geckos and crickets
Subj: Re: [gecko]Geckos and crickets Date: 10/31/03 2:31:56 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Johnston) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use alfalfa as cricket tub substrate... they eat it (in addition to all the other goodies I feed them) and it helps with the smell of cricket feces. I buy bags of alfalfa sold as hamster food. Of course, there is no substitute for periodic cleaning for keeping the smell of crickets down! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as an odd thought. I have a ton of hampster litter. would that work? right now I just have some paper towels that I change every other day. Icky work. Liz -- Doug Johnston http://pages.sbcglobal.net/scubadug
[gecko]HerpDigest Status Report
Subj: HerpDigest Status Report Date: 11/21/03 8:22:13 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is good news and there is bad news. The good news is that HerpDigest will continue publication this weekend. The bad news is to get it back on-line; HerpDigest is now in the red. And this is not the first nor will it be the last time. Which means I have to make some pretty hard choices by February. BUT THESE ARE CHOICES YOU CAN HELP ME MAKE. 1) Can HerpDigest continue, as is, free. 2) Will readers have to start subscribing to get weekly copies of the HerpDigest newsletter, and access to its other services such as free PDF files of major reports, important papers, delivered to your email box and free use of the archives. 3) Or does HerpDigest just fold? HerpDigest was created to keep herpetologists, conservationists, breeders, and all lovers of herps up-to-date on the latest conservation and science news on reptiles and amphibians by using the nets abilities to get necessary information out there quickly and free. But as they say, Nothing in life is free. Software programs and computers break down and have to be replaced, upgraded or fixed. Net service providers have to be paid (I use a cable modem, since I could never do what I need to do on a 56K telephone line). Increasingly the information that was once free, you have to pay just to be notified it exists, let alone read it. And more. So what do I base my decision on? Its simple. I have to raise money now, much more than I have in the past. And then develop a series of programs, projects, partnerships, and sales that will keep a steady flow of cash going to HerpDigest through the entire year so you dont have to read a letter like this again. Foundations? I have approached them, and will continue to, but as a relatively new organization its hard to break in, to gain their trust the money will be well used.Conservation organizations? They ask for money, they dont give it away. And if they are interested they want editorial control over HerpDigest. Which is not for sale. Ever. (One note though worth mentioning, the amateur herpetological associations have been most consistent with their donations. Donations though small compared to what the larger ones can give, are larger in terms of the percentage of their budgets.)But what can you do?Take me up on the various sales I offer: the recent stamp sale, (They are in the mail and I have nine sets left, contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if interested.) buy bumper stickers (weve just designed a new line that you can see on herparts.com http://www.herparts.com/Products/Products.asp?CategoryID=101 )buy calendars http://www.herpdigest.org/donate/books (our book which now comes in hard and soft cover and if you buy in volume at wholesale prices, a price list was published at the bottom on the past few issues of HerpDigest), and justlook at HerpArts.com for holiday gifts. (www.herparts.com), And of course, dont be afraid to make a straight donation. (See how below).So help. Everyone keeps telling me how important HerpDigest is to the Herpetological community. Its time to show how much. If every subscriber just sent in the cost of one Starbucks coffee, HerpDigest could not only remain free, HerpDigest could become more efficient, timely, finally add all those new services weve dreamed about.To help is easy. For the holidays you need herp greeting cards? Want one with a Santa Toad or Turtle, a Turtle or Frog Menorah on it? Go to http://www.herparts.com/Products/Products.asp?CategoryID=94 for xmas cardshttp://www.herparts.com/Products/Products.asp?CategoryID=93 for Hanukah cardsOr what about such gifts as Herp jewelry, copies of antique prints and contemporary photos, as well as a whole new line of bumper stickers with snakes, lizards and turtles on them. Just go to HerpArts.com (www.herparts.com) and shop.Some people think its unseemly to openly ask for money. Well if this doesnt work, I might really be unseemly by going into detail about how bad this year really was. Ive already scanned in some of the x-rays.Thanks for your time. I hope we will have more together.Allen SalzbergPublisher/EditorHerpDigestP.S. Feel free to pass this on to whomever you feel might be interested in helping. Yes even post it on mailing lists, listservs and forums.To make a donation to HerpDigest by check make it out to HerpDigest and mail it to: HerpDigest, c/o Allen Salzberg, 67-87 Booth Street -5B, Forest Hills, NY 11375.You can use PayPal https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=asalzberg%40herpdigest.orgOr Master or Visa card, just send us your card number and expiration date.
[gecko]Experts Note Please: Double 40 hr heat pack test in styro double boxed setup
In a message dated 11/18/03 5:34:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, Elizabeth Freer writes: These result seem lower than would be expected. My double 40 hr heat pack test results yesterday were puzzling. That is 2 40 hr heat packs inside the smallest styro box nestled inside a much larger styrofoam box. (Sorry about the "double" results for each temp. The digital puts out reads for both the sensor and the main unit.) I ran the test for 24 hrs in a bedroom where the high was 64.0, 63.9 and the low was 61.7, 62.4 for that time. I packed the boxes as if "to ship" sans geckos. I located the first digital inside the smaller styrofoam box and the second digital between the two styro boxes. I placed one 40 hr heat pack, shielded within the small cardboard box I'm enclosing for the return of the digital, within the small styro box. I placed the second 40 hr also inside the small styro box flush against one of the short sides of that box. Then, also inside the small styro box where the geckos would go (inside two 16 oz deli cups with some paper toweling strips), I placed the sensor for the digital right between the deli cups. Here are the results taking into account that the digitals did not read exactly alike: Ambient Room Temps: Highs 64.0, 63.9---Lows 61.7, 62.4 Inner Digital Opening temp read: 73.2, 72.7 Highs: 76.6, 75.6 Lows: 72.1, 72.5 Outer Digital Opening temp read: 64.4, 65.1 Highs: 72.1, 73.9 Lows: 63.5, 64.4 These were the reads from a 24 hour period with the box kept at about 63 F! They make me wonder about potential shipping box highs if the outside temps run about 50 F, although hopefully the geckos would not be out there long. One of these two digitals just got a new battery. It also makes me wonder about the effectiveness of my heat packs although I bought them only a few months ago and they are dated 28 June 2005! Where is ALL the heat they are SUPPOSED to produce? Here are the results of my single heat pack test, parameters the same except that the single heat pack was placed right between the deli cups. (In each case I let the heat packs warm up about 30 minutes prior to sealing the boxand ran the test for 24 hours.) Ambient Room Temps: 64.4, 62.2 Inner Digital Opening temp read: 80.1, 68.9 Highs: 92.7, 76.6 Lows: 76.3, 68.9 Outer Digital Opening temp read: 65.7, 67.1 Highs: 74.1, 75.0 Lows: 65.1, 67.1 What do you folks who have much experience mailing think about these results? All opinions appreciated. Elizabeth Seattle l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert robert hubert 15 yo---Aug 2003 r.i.p. r.i.p (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]Unwanted gasses released by heat packs directly touching styrofoam popcorn???
Julie-- Thanks for this and your earlier reply. By soft styrofoam do you mean the kind that literally dissolves if you get it wet? For that reason I've stayed totally away from those and use the hard kind that don't seem compromised should they get wet. (I know we hope our packages stay dry!) I think I'll replace the newspaper with hard styro popcorn. Also just called Home Depot and will get a 4' x 8' sheet of foiled insulfoam to line the inner box. Elizabeth In a message dated 11/19/2003 1:47:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: [gecko]Unwanted gasses released by heat packs directly touchingstyrofoam popcorn??? Date: 11/19/2003 1:47:07 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Julie Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks--- What do you think here? Until I received this email today I've never thought having the heat pack in direct contact with my styrofoam popcorn packing was contraindicated. Is it wise to place a heat pack inside a small paper bag for that reason? I don't like to have heat in conctact with the styro popcorn on the off chance that it will release some unwanted gasses. That's why I use newspaper. If stryofoam released enough gas from heat packs to kill geckos I have not seen it in 10 years of shipping. I think you are safe doing this. Newspaper is a poor conductor of heat too, styrofoam is a more suitable winter packing material as it absorbs and retains heat better than newspaper. I use newspaper when conditions are hot. There are different kinds of styrofoam, I prefer the soft kind that absorbs shock better than the hard kind. IMHO. Julie B. Elizabeth Seattle ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
