PESO 2015 - 041 - GDG
Another from the Saturday morning walk. https://flic.kr/p/rDDymo enjoy! Godfrey --- Seize the Moment? Sometimes, the Moment seizes us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. If the members of this list do a good job of showing off the PDML annual, and mentioning that the photos are done by the members of a very good online photo discussion forum, we might be able to both raise more money with the book, and possibly get a few new members. I also suspect that with the changes from the Ricoh purchase, Pentax as a brand will gain a lot more visibility, particularly with the incipient full frame camera. It's one of those features that a lot of people seem to think that they need. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Darwin Waterfront
On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:24 am, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: We'll be there for 5 nights after our tour through the Kimberley Region of WA. Excellent, you should have plenty of time to look around. We only had a couple of nights so we had to cram in what we could. It might not be much fun having to return home from the tropics in the middle of winter! Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Darwin Waterfront
Is that the view from your hotel room? Interesting waterfront... postcard posed.. I like this frangipani better than the other, the whites not blown out, geometry nice and there are not little specks of things on the blossoms as in the first one. Yes, I like it. ann On 3/19/2015 13:41, Ken Waller wrote: The bonus capture of the frangipani is nicely framed and composed. A minor nit for me is the harsh light. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com Subject: PESO: Darwin Waterfront The Darwin waterfront is a development with apartments, shops, bars and restaurants, along with a safe swimming beach which is free for anyone to use. There is also a convention centre and wave-pool complex, both off to the left of the frame. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/887/#peso The net across the beach keeps box jellyfish at bay - we were there at the beginning of the stinger season. It's free to swim there and is patrolled by lifeguards. You're allowed to swim beyond the net but they can't guarantee your safety. Apparently there is a good compliment of fish in there. I'd like to have had a swim down there but wasn't able to make any time. And here's a bonus frangipani; this was one of the trees down at the waterfront. A much larger plant than we had at our accommodation. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/888/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - El Capitan
Very nicely done, Brian - excellent range of tones, and a different viewpoint into the bargain! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Brian Walters Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 8:51 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - El Capitan G'day all - just adding my photo to the millions that preceded it. I tried a B W version because the midday light wasn't especially friendly. This dates from late May 2013: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP4525-K5-1peso.html http://tinyurl.com/o2kmz2u Comments etc. appreciated. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Book Report: How the PDML Photo Annual is coming along
On 19/03/2015 12:52 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: Thanks for all the hard work guys, and especially Mark. Very much appreciated. Truth be to tell, Mark and Doug are doing almost all the work. I get to go through the pictures and make snarky comments about them. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 19/03/2015 8:44 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Yeah, I got a bit of Shel shock early on, but soon felt the warmth of some fellow posters. Can everyone please just stop mentioning him? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Christ Church Cathedral
Here's the view from the street of Christ Church Cathedral in Darwin. The stone portion is all that remains from the original building, which was destroyed by Cyclone Tracy in 1974. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/889/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: No Buff Too Tuff
Actually I'm sneaking 3 in here. This is the only B-52 on display outside the USA. It's located at the Aviation Heritage Museum in Darwin. I'm not that much of an aircraft enthusiast but an opportunity to see one of these was too good to pass up. This plane is absolutely huge and only just squeezed into the hangar. I apologise for the poor quality; it was pretty dark in the hangar and I was really wishing for a K-5 or K-3. I wasn't able to get many of the photos I wanted. Darwin's Pride: http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/890/#peso Flight Deck: http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/891/#peso No Buff Too Tuff: http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/892/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2015 - 041 - GDG
tree too close to center, crop off some of left... o/w nice On 3/19/2015 2:17 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Another from the Saturday morning walk. https://flic.kr/p/rDDymo enjoy! Godfrey --- Seize the Moment? Sometimes, the Moment seizes us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Top up my pension fund for me and I'll post until your eyes bleed. On 19 March 2015 at 02:03, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Part of the problem is we're not Pentax Fanboys here. On a lot of the Fora, brand is everything, id doesn't matter what the brand ultimately does to you, and some users will even advocate for changes that will render their previous investment at worst useless. Now that's brand loyalty. I stick with Pentax because I have a raft of Pentax lenses, replacing them would be just too painful financially. I stick with the PDML because seriously/ I love you guys, even when I want to throttle some of you. Seriously if I hung out regularly at any of the other Pentax fora or for that matter Nikon or Canon groups I'd have invented a way to teleport bombs through the internet by now. On 3/18/2015 10:03 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
What do you mean starting? On 3/18/2015 11:55 PM, David Mann wrote: I've noticed the same thing. I put it down to the spam filtering issues that have been affecting users of some ISPs lately but maybe it's just that we're starting to smell bad. Cheers, Dave On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:03 pm, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - El Capitan
G'day all - just adding my photo to the millions that preceded it. I tried a B W version because the midday light wasn't especially friendly. This dates from late May 2013: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP4525-K5-1peso.html http://tinyurl.com/o2kmz2u Comments etc. appreciated. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak moment
Sorta sums it up. Jack - Original Message - From: Philip Northeast rnort...@bigpond.net.au To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:04:50 PM Subject: Kodak moment https://flic.kr/p/rpqsSR -- Philip Northeast www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Darwin Waterfront
Frangipani #2 is well exposed against the dark background. Jack - Original Message - From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:56:40 PM Subject: PESO: Darwin Waterfront The Darwin waterfront is a development with apartments, shops, bars and restaurants, along with a safe swimming beach which is free for anyone to use. There is also a convention centre and wave-pool complex, both off to the left of the frame. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/887/#peso The net across the beach keeps box jellyfish at bay - we were there at the beginning of the stinger season. It's free to swim there and is patrolled by lifeguards. You're allowed to swim beyond the net but they can't guarantee your safety. Apparently there is a good compliment of fish in there. I'd like to have had a swim down there but wasn't able to make any time. And here's a bonus frangipani; this was one of the trees down at the waterfront. A much larger plant than we had at our accommodation. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/888/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - El Capitan
Nice exposure. Clouds and pine trees are a complimenting fit. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 3:50:38 AM Subject: PESO - El Capitan G'day all - just adding my photo to the millions that preceded it. I tried a B W version because the midday light wasn't especially friendly. This dates from late May 2013: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP4525-K5-1peso.html http://tinyurl.com/o2kmz2u Comments etc. appreciated. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Darwin Waterfront
Frangipani 2 is an appealing and effective image. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:56 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: The Darwin waterfront is a development with apartments, shops, bars and restaurants, along with a safe swimming beach which is free for anyone to use. There is also a convention centre and wave-pool complex, both off to the left of the frame. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/887/#peso The net across the beach keeps box jellyfish at bay - we were there at the beginning of the stinger season. It's free to swim there and is patrolled by lifeguards. You're allowed to swim beyond the net but they can't guarantee your safety. Apparently there is a good compliment of fish in there. I'd like to have had a swim down there but wasn't able to make any time. And here's a bonus frangipani; this was one of the trees down at the waterfront. A much larger plant than we had at our accommodation. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/888/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - El Capitan
A stunning and classic image, Brian! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all - just adding my photo to the millions that preceded it. I tried a B W version because the midday light wasn't especially friendly. This dates from late May 2013: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP4525-K5-1peso.html http://tinyurl.com/o2kmz2u Comments etc. appreciated. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 19/03/2015 6:12 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: Seriously if I hung out regularly at any of the other Pentax fora or for that matter Nikon or Canon groups I'd have invented a way to teleport bombs through the internet by now. That's a Mark. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Where is everyone?
-Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 8:05 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think I found it in 1997, probably by doing a search for Pentax information on the Web - whether it was Google or not I can't now remember. I stay with the group because: I am still a self-confessed fan boy. This group can answer more questions and provide more real-world guidance than any other group I have come across. I've owned and used Pentax cameras almost exclusively for 47 years (OMG!!), and probably always will. I like the plain text, it's easy, and there is no chance of some pest slipping in malware via HTML: I like too the fact that I can choose which messages to retain, and just delete the rest. On another photo group Facebook hosted, the messages just accumulate, seemingly forever. I've only physically met a couple of other PDML-ers (living in Australia it tends to be hard to meet up with others), but I feel I know most of the people in this group reasonably well from their input over the years. Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - heirloom
Very nice. Dramatic! Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I have become brave enough to attempt to light a woman with a single hard light, a silver reflector, now ... https://500px.com/photo/101514597/aly-by-bruce-walker The heirloom in question is the necklace which was a gift from Aly's grandmother. K-3, DA* 50-135/2.8, 63mm, f:11, ISO 100. Lr + Ps. One light only: Einstein monolight with 22 bare silver beauty dish, camera-left. Comments welcome. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - heirloom
On 19/03/2015 8:01 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I have become brave enough to attempt to light a woman with a single hard light, a silver reflector, now ... https://500px.com/photo/101514597/aly-by-bruce-walker The heirloom in question is the necklace which was a gift from Aly's grandmother. I'd be that brave to with that model. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I stumbled into the PDML from the official Pentax website as well. The first post I read was by the now keeper of the list regarding shooting an alligator That was a while ago. On 3/19/2015 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 22:03:42 -0400 Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: How do we keep both new and existing members? i joined sometime late 2006 when i had got myself a k50/1.2 without having a pentax camera and googled for info about the lens and came upon pdml archives. well, one difference between then and now is that the list seems to have become a lot more sanitised in recent years (the kind of, err, interactions that used to happen between Bill and JCO or instance don't happen anymore). not sure whether that's good or bad but it certainly made for interesting reading then. i very rarely post here because i've hardly touched my camera in two years. but am still here. not really sure why. regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 19/03/2015 6:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. Through the Pentax USA website, sometime in 1998. What ever became of Bob Blakely? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Mar 19, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: ... Unhappily, my tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore… OK, so I mostly do Nature and Scenic shots, with Wildlife thrown in. Sometimes the shapes and forms are my focus, sometimes it is the vibrant colors on the trees. Sometimes the trees have no leaves. You do Nature and Scenic shots, with wildlife thrown in. Sometimes the shapes and forms are your focus, sometimes the vibrant colors of the accessories. Sometimes your “trees have no leaves. It seems to me that our tastes are very similar. Seriously, I think this is one of the aspects that I really enjoy about PDML. I am not likely to follow you or Bill into the studio. I am not likely to follow Larry or Igor onto the dance floor. I am not likely to follow Rob or Dario onto stage. But I do enjoy and believe I learn something from the challenges you face and the steps you take to overcome those challenges. If PDML was all about birds or Nature photography it would be rather boring. Very well put, Stan! I'm glad you put it that way. I hang around and post the odd thing assuming that somebody will find it interesting. But it seems like a pretty one-sided conversation much of the time, and I've been seeking encouragement elsewhere. And quite so: at the root of it I'm looking for form, texture, line, colour, ... just like most of the rest of us. Those who aren't just looking for gear anyway. ;) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - heirloom
Beautiful, again. Using one light and you get such gorgeous modelling! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 12:02 PM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Subject: PESO - heirloom I have become brave enough to attempt to light a woman with a single hard light, a silver reflector, now ... https://500px.com/photo/101514597/aly-by-bruce-walker The heirloom in question is the necklace which was a gift from Aly's grandmother. K-3, DA* 50-135/2.8, 63mm, f:11, ISO 100. Lr + Ps. One light only: Einstein monolight with 22 bare silver beauty dish, camera-left. Comments welcome. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Darwin Waterfront
No, we stayed at a complex of villas a few minutes walk from there. It was just a short hop across a walkway then down an elevator. The buildings you see in the photo are apartments, with shops restaurants on the ground floor. They were putting up another couple of buildings behind those ones. Cheers, Dave On Mar 20, 2015, at 12:58 pm, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Is that the view from your hotel room? Interesting waterfront... postcard posed.. I like this frangipani better than the other, the whites not blown out, geometry nice and there are not little specks of things on the blossoms as in the first one. Yes, I like it. ann On 3/19/2015 13:41, Ken Waller wrote: The bonus capture of the frangipani is nicely framed and composed. A minor nit for me is the harsh light. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com Subject: PESO: Darwin Waterfront The Darwin waterfront is a development with apartments, shops, bars and restaurants, along with a safe swimming beach which is free for anyone to use. There is also a convention centre and wave-pool complex, both off to the left of the frame. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/887/#peso The net across the beach keeps box jellyfish at bay - we were there at the beginning of the stinger season. It's free to swim there and is patrolled by lifeguards. You're allowed to swim beyond the net but they can't guarantee your safety. Apparently there is a good compliment of fish in there. I'd like to have had a swim down there but wasn't able to make any time. And here's a bonus frangipani; this was one of the trees down at the waterfront. A much larger plant than we had at our accommodation. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/888/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - heirloom
Lovely. - Marco On Mar 19, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I have become brave enough to attempt to light a woman with a single hard light, a silver reflector, now ... https://500px.com/photo/101514597/aly-by-bruce-walker The heirloom in question is the necklace which was a gift from Aly's grandmother. K-3, DA* 50-135/2.8, 63mm, f:11, ISO 100. Lr + Ps. One light only: Einstein monolight with 22 bare silver beauty dish, camera-left. Comments welcome. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Quoting Tom Reese tomreesep...@gmail.com: to reduce the slide: remember that rudeness turns people off (not aimed at anyone at all - a general observation from many forums over many years) try to help when people ask for it people participate because the list is informative, entertaining and it provides social interaction - any others? no one likes to be ignored - everyone needs to be acknowledged once in a while to increase the profile: put it out there on the social media sites. Not changing the format of the list but adding a pdml information page with the stuff necessary to make sure it pops in searches. Add keywords like photography Pentax and various related subjects. There is an info page of sorts - the PDML FAQ. It was put together originally by Graywolf and updated by Scott when he was PUGmeister. I sort of inherited it when I took over the PUG. I tinkered with it a bit and used to post the link from time to time but I've omitted to do so for a few years. Anyway, here it is: http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.html -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: I was never much of a gear head, and I'm even less so now, so gear chat generally bores me. My chief reason for hanging out in any photography forum is images; both viewing and sharing. Unhappily, my tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore. I've been enjoying your recent work, and have been very interested in how you go about it, since it intersects very closely with a lot of the stuff I'm working on. I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to decide whether or not sharing photographic interests with me is a good thing. Appreciated, Larry. It doesn't concern me that we share photographic interests. Perhaps it should? ;) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
You mention of Shel and meals in the same sentence... He once said (paraphrasing from memory here) - When you eat an excellent meal do you ask the chef what kind of pots and pans he used to cook it? Why then do you ask photographers what camera and lens they used to make a photo? I often think of that line, to this day.. I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. There were others, much much worse, whoo shall not be named... Mark On 3/19/2015 11:36 AM, Bruce wrote: I had several meals with Shel over the time he spent on the list. I can certainly relate to the statement. He was a 'unique' character. Very agreeable as long as you saw things his way... -- Bruce On March 19, 2015 6:27:49 AM PDT, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 18/03/2015 8:03 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. Heck, I bet when Bruce R. and Pseudo Mafud were posting we'd be getting in a day what we now get in a month, There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. Because it's a private email list, I suspect we would have to involve Doug and see if we can get ourselves on some search engines. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick It's the Hotel California of mail lists. All we need to do is wave the warm smell of Colitas and the promise of a dark desert highway in front of them and they will see our shimmering light. And then, they are ours. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - heirloom
I have become brave enough to attempt to light a woman with a single hard light, a silver reflector, now ... https://500px.com/photo/101514597/aly-by-bruce-walker The heirloom in question is the necklace which was a gift from Aly's grandmother. K-3, DA* 50-135/2.8, 63mm, f:11, ISO 100. Lr + Ps. One light only: Einstein monolight with 22 bare silver beauty dish, camera-left. Comments welcome. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - El Capitan
Nice job - You made the lighting work for you . MY old technique in film days was to slap a red or orange filter on camera bearing the Tri-x for midday shooting (not that it wash my technique I learned it from photo mags) - whatever you did post processing here works like that just as nicely. Nice geology :-) ann On 3/19/2015 19:06, John Coyle wrote: Very nicely done, Brian - excellent range of tones, and a different viewpoint into the bargain! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Brian Walters Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 8:51 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - El Capitan G'day all - just adding my photo to the millions that preceded it. I tried a B W version because the midday light wasn't especially friendly. This dates from late May 2013: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP4525-K5-1peso.html http://tinyurl.com/o2kmz2u Comments etc. appreciated. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 19/03/2015 1:18 PM, wendy beard wrote: I bet that's how I found the PDML too. Through Boz's page. I've been on the list for at least 15 years, mostly lurking. I have also met 3 PDMLers. And you were very brave about it too. The boy has settled down a lot, but he is still an ass with strangers. I managed to put 3 points on him before he snapped in the ring and got really belligerent. I think the Special Bitch that was in the ring with us was in season, and poor little Bug didn't know what was going on. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Am 19.03.15 um 03:03 schrieb Rick Womer: So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. In the early days of the PDML (don't even remember when I joined), there were very few internet forums. Now, there are dozens. They seem to have more appeal, not lastly because photos can be included right in the individual messages, which certainly is a plus for a photo forum. On the downside, the admins and moderators are back. I still remember the olden days when we had dial-up mailboxes run by owners and admins who thought they were God's gift to the online world and everybody had to be of their opinion or better leave. The same attitude is to be found in most forums nowadays. Some time ago, I joined one on a transport theme and unkowingly dared question a statement by someone I didn't know was the owner of the forum. My further contributions were immediately set to moderated and when I asked for the reason I received a long tirade about cyber bullying, bickering and snyde remarks and daring to bite the hand that fed me this wonderful forum. I'm way out of kindergarten age and had my account deleted at once. Another reason may be the fact that some mail and news cleint software has been made obsolete. I still miss MacSoup and the fact that I'm quite unhappy with Thunderbird also shows in the number of my contributions on here. For the same reason I've quit Usenet altogether. The PDML may not be as active as it used to be, but it still is a wonderful place and let's all hope it is here to stay for a long time. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? If we require all members to post 3 times a a day we could get to the 2010 monthly total ! ;+)! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details. I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
The PDML is like an overnight bus journey with a garrulous drunk. Yeah but the scenery has been pretty interesting ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com Subject: Re: Where is everyone? On 19 Mar 2015, at 13:33, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. So very long ago, I can't remember. Many folk now seem to like web based forums. Many of these are very strict about keeping to topic and camera brand, and about as much fun as falling off a cliff. On the PDML list, someone will probably know the answer to a question regardless of camera brand - or topic! And you'll probably get a long rambling detour through the arcane mysteries of some barely-related side-issue before you even get close to the answer. The PDML is like an overnight bus journey with a garrulous drunk. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2015 - 041 - GDG
Your B+W 'conversion' (?) is particularily well done in this image Godfrey. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com Subject: PESO 2015 - 041 - GDG Another from the Saturday morning walk. https://flic.kr/p/rDDymo enjoy! Godfrey --- Seize the Moment? Sometimes, the Moment seizes us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I've been reduced to taking cat photos. Yo... MARK ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca Subject: Re: Where is everyone? It’s been so cold the last few months I haven’t even wanted to go outside, let alone take any photos Same here. We're up to our eyeballs in snow here in Nova Scotia, too. I've been reduced to taking cat photos. --- Steven Sharpe - The Office Gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca wrote: I've been reduced to taking cat photos. Your Auto-Correct must have been off ... I'm privileged to be able to take cat photos. That's better. :) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I'm privileged to be able to take cat photos. Ahem. MARK ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Where is everyone? On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca wrote: I've been reduced to taking cat photos. Your Auto-Correct must have been off ... I'm privileged to be able to take cat photos. That's better. :) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On Mar 19, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: ... Unhappily, my tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore… OK, so I mostly do Nature and Scenic shots, with Wildlife thrown in. Sometimes the shapes and forms are my focus, sometimes it is the vibrant colors on the trees. Sometimes the trees have no leaves. You do Nature and Scenic shots, with wildlife thrown in. Sometimes the shapes and forms are your focus, sometimes the vibrant colors of the accessories. Sometimes your “trees have no leaves. It seems to me that our tastes are very similar. Seriously, I think this is one of the aspects that I really enjoy about PDML. I am not likely to follow you or Bill into the studio. I am not likely to follow Larry or Igor onto the dance floor. I am not likely to follow Rob or Dario onto stage. But I do enjoy and believe I learn something from the challenges you face and the steps you take to overcome those challenges. If PDML was all about birds or Nature photography it would be rather boring. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I think it was Google for me. I’d never owned a Pentax camera, but in early 2005, while deciding what was to be my first DSLR, I met a friend of mine from Japan at a trade how and he’d just bought an *istDS and let me hold it and it just felt “right.” So I got one. I must have found the PDML pretty quickly after that, as within two weeks of receiving the camera I attended a PDML get together in San Jose and met quite a few of the local members. (I also spent a couple of interesting afternoons with Shel during his occasional visits to Santa Cruz.) The time I’ve had to dedicate to photography has varied wildly over the years. There have been periods when I turned off the list because the volume of traffic was overwhelming, but I always turned it on again when I got back to shooting. Hopefully once again on the upswing. - Marco On Mar 19, 2015, at 5:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details. I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I googled (or whatever passed for googling in those days - it was through the PDML that I learned about Google's early existence) because the mirror in my LX kept sticking up. I should have let it be. B On 19 Mar 2015, at 12:54, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Same here. Found it on the Pentax website. Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. I was resting at home after my heart attack in 2000. Friend lent me a computer to access the inter web. I just did a search for Pentax to see whats out there and found this place. I've been writing cheques ever since. Dave -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Where is everyone?
Mark Roberts wrote: I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. So very long ago, I can't remember. Many folk now seem to like web based forums. Many of these are very strict about keeping to topic and camera brand, and about as much fun as falling off a cliff. On the PDML list, someone will probably know the answer to a question regardless of camera brand - or topic! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out about the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com When I gave up video and rediscovered photography in the mid-late ‘90s, I moved from my old ME-Supers to Pz-1p. The whole autofocus, Power Zoom etc were a mystery to me. But most importantly, I wanted to buy lenses. Particularly a “modern” 135mm lens. Looking on eBay, I was totally confused by the vast numbers of different 135mm lenses. So I went to the Pentax site looking for information, found a link to this group, and the rest is history. I remember that one reason people used to give for not staying with PDML once they found us was that they couldn’t deal with the high volume of messages. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - El Capitan
Well done Brian, a good way to avoid the harsh light. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org Subject: PESO - El Capitan G'day all - just adding my photo to the millions that preceded it. I tried a B W version because the midday light wasn't especially friendly. This dates from late May 2013: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP4525-K5-1peso.html http://tinyurl.com/o2kmz2u Comments etc. appreciated. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Darwin Waterfront
The bonus capture of the frangipani is nicely framed and composed. A minor nit for me is the harsh light. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com Subject: PESO: Darwin Waterfront The Darwin waterfront is a development with apartments, shops, bars and restaurants, along with a safe swimming beach which is free for anyone to use. There is also a convention centre and wave-pool complex, both off to the left of the frame. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/887/#peso The net across the beach keeps box jellyfish at bay - we were there at the beginning of the stinger season. It's free to swim there and is patrolled by lifeguards. You're allowed to swim beyond the net but they can't guarantee your safety. Apparently there is a good compliment of fish in there. I'd like to have had a swim down there but wasn't able to make any time. And here's a bonus frangipani; this was one of the trees down at the waterfront. A much larger plant than we had at our accommodation. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/888/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Book Report: How the PDML Photo Annual is coming along
So the submission period ended nearly three weeks ago. The editorial staff (me, Bill and Listmeister Doug) have been grinding through the process of narrowing down the field and pairing up photos for page spreads. Most of that work is done and I'm starting to put things together. A significant portion of the design work was fleshed out while the photos were still coming in (even the cover was mostly finished months ago) but there's still quite a bit to do. It's coming along nicely and I don't see any major obstacles at this point. Even the fonts I've chosen this year seem to be cooperating only one of them has necessitated my designing a character for any of our overseas members who use funny alphabets (that's YOU, Jostein Øksne!) I'll be having a meeting with the team at Dana-Farber shortly and I'll see if Carlos has any new photos from his travels to the clinics they support. More updates will follow whenever there's news to report! -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. That's the way I found out about the PDML, must have been in the early 90's. Mainly stayed interested early on for the equipment info I could get here. There was no other source of info/expertise related to Pentax products then. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I read about the PDML in Tim Bray's blog, back when he was a Pentax user. It was summer 2007, and I had just bought (or was just about to buy) my first DSLR, a K100D Super, and I could see that the level of discourse here was smarter than dpreview et al. I was never much of a gear head, and I'm even less so now, so gear chat generally bores me. My chief reason for hanging out in any photography forum is images; both viewing and sharing. Unhappily, my tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 3/19/2015 08:53, Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) Piping in seriously... I sold a 300mm Pentax lens I couldn't handhold anymore back in 1999 to a man named Terry in British Columbia.. we chatted a bit - he sent me an email that was subject-lined Published, sort of and a link to his frog photo on the PUG. Don't know what happened to him.. but when I realized it was an email discussion list I hopped on with a techy question about shooting with polarized light sources as well as filter on camera and got answers. Liked the PUG so submitted a photo of Capitol Reef. Wheatfield was pug-meister at the time.. (Bill Robb, to you young'uns) Although there are not a lot of posts compared to a couple of years ago I do notice that when I post a photo I get a few comments from chums but the stats on smugmug tell me I have a few hundred views over a couple of days. That suggests a lot of lurkers to me. Made good friends here over the years. ann annsan.smugmug.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Shhh - let that can of worms alone :-) ann On 3/19/2015 09:27, Paul Stenquist wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Frangipani
Nicely constructed image. Wish I could smell it. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:37 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: This plant was in our accommodation complex in Darwin. I made sure I stopped and took a sniff each time we went past it. Wish we had smell-o-vision for this one. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/885/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 19 Mar 2015, at 13:33, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. So very long ago, I can't remember. Many folk now seem to like web based forums. Many of these are very strict about keeping to topic and camera brand, and about as much fun as falling off a cliff. On the PDML list, someone will probably know the answer to a question regardless of camera brand - or topic! And you'll probably get a long rambling detour through the arcane mysteries of some barely-related side-issue before you even get close to the answer. The PDML is like an overnight bus journey with a garrulous drunk. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Old book rediscovered
By question a few weeks ago about the relationships among sensor size, focal length, and depth of field provoked some useful discussion and a passing comment from Mark C. referring to John Shaw’s books. I went and pulled a couple of my Shaw books from the shelf. I noticed another oldie-but-goodie from the early ‘90s, The Art of Photographing Nature by Martha Hill with Art Wolfe (1993). I have now finished rereading that one. The book is a conversation of sorts, with Wolfe presenting two or three images and doing a compare/contrast of the images as affected by camera settings, film used, etc. Then Hill provides a commentary on the images based on her experience as a nature magazine photo editor. Good information, well presented. If you haven’t seen this, or haven’t seen it recently, you might want to look for it. I do have two more recent books by Wolfe on order: The Art of the Photograph: Essential Habits for Stronger Compositions; and The New Art of Photographing Nature: An Updated Guide to Composing Stunning Images of Animals, Nature, and Landscapes. I suspect the latter is a fairly straight edit/update of the Wolfe/Hill book from 1993. I also suspect that it will lose a great deal without the dialogue between Wolfe and Hill. Stay tuned, I’ll let you know. But meanwhile, if you come across the original, pull it out and settle in for a couple evenings of reflective study. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Where is everyone?
Bob W wrote: And you'll probably get a long rambling detour through the arcane mysteries of some barely-related side-issue before you even get close to the answer. The PDML is like an overnight bus journey with a garrulous drunk. That was very sneaky. Now we're already off topic :-) Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
MARK! On 3/19/2015 06:53, mike wilson wrote: Top up my pension fund for me and I'll post until your eyes bleed. On 19 March 2015 at 02:03, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, I got a bit of Shel shock early on, but soon felt the warmth of some fellow posters. I really didn't need that memory recalled. Jack - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 6:27:49 AM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My photography was going in a direction that wasn't pleasing me. I decided to cut back on interaction with photography sites, the camera club and, in general, photo enthusiast stuff. So much of what is discussed is only of interest to other photography hobbyists and isn't even on the radar for most folks. I still scan list but don't look at photos much these days. I have three significant hobbies and moving between them seems cyclical. More time is spent on others as interest in one decreases. For now I'm contended with other things and will return to more active photographic efforts in time. Just an aside: email lists seem to be a hangover from the past. Lists seem to be populated by older folks that discovered the Internet before things like forums and Facebook were around. As only one example, I listen to a very popular podcast for one of my other hobbies. Each episode is downloaded around 100,000 times. It's rare that the associated email list for discussion sees more than half a dozen posts each week. On the other hand, the Facebook group will see about 50 new posts every day. There is very little overlap between the two. You can sense the age divide when reading both. Don't care much for Facebook as a company, but that seems to be where the majority of people are these days. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out about the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com When I gave up video and rediscovered photography in the mid-late ‘90s, I moved from my old ME-Supers to Pz-1p. The whole autofocus, Power Zoom etc were a mystery to me. But most importantly, I wanted to buy lenses. Particularly a “modern” 135mm lens. Looking on eBay, I was totally confused by the vast numbers of different 135mm lenses. So I went to the Pentax site looking for information, found a link to this group, and the rest is history. I remember that one reason people used to give for not staying with PDML once they found us was that they couldn’t deal with the high volume of messages. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I found the PDML via Bojidar Dimitrov's k-mount pages. He gives a glowing recommendation. Alan C -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Book Report: How the PDML Photo Annual is coming along
Glad you are keeping out of mischief :-) Youse is a good boy ann On 3/19/2015 14:10, Mark Roberts wrote: So the submission period ended nearly three weeks ago. The editorial staff (me, Bill and Listmeister Doug) have been grinding through the process of narrowing down the field and pairing up photos for page spreads. Most of that work is done and I'm starting to put things together. A significant portion of the design work was fleshed out while the photos were still coming in (even the cover was mostly finished months ago) but there's still quite a bit to do. It's coming along nicely and I don't see any major obstacles at this point. Even the fonts I've chosen this year seem to be cooperating – only one of them has necessitated my designing a character for any of our overseas members who use funny alphabets (that's YOU, Jostein Øksne!) I'll be having a meeting with the team at Dana-Farber shortly and I'll see if Carlos has any new photos from his travels to the clinics they support. More updates will follow whenever there's news to report! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It’s been so cold the last few months I haven’t even wanted to go outside, let alone take any photos Same here. We're up to our eyeballs in snow here in Nova Scotia, too. I've been reduced to taking cat photos. --- Steven Sharpe - The Office Gallery d...@eastlink.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Book Report: How the PDML Photo Annual is coming along
On 19/3/15, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: So the submission period ended nearly three weeks ago. The editorial staff (me, Bill and Listmeister Doug) have been grinding through the process of narrowing down the field and pairing up photos for page spreads. Most of that work is done and I'm starting to put things together. A significant portion of the design work was fleshed out while the photos were still coming in (even the cover was mostly finished months ago) but there's still quite a bit to do. It's coming along nicely and I don't see any major obstacles at this point. Even the fonts I've chosen this year seem to be cooperating - only one of them has necessitated my designing a character for any of our overseas members who use funny alphabets (that's YOU, Jostein Øksne!) I'll be having a meeting with the team at Dana-Farber shortly and I'll see if Carlos has any new photos from his travels to the clinics they support. More updates will follow whenever there's news to report! Thanks for all the hard work guys, and especially Mark. Very much appreciated. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I’ve had difficulty posting for the longest time. 6 months or more - even after I’d switched e-mail addresses for the list subscription. I still can't post from Apple Mail - even with the format set to plain text. It doesn't bounce back, just never appears. I think I found the magic button on the gmail web interface to make it work. I'll soon find out :) It’s been so cold the last few months I haven’t even wanted to go outside, let alone take any photos Wendy On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I bet that's how I found the PDML too. Through Boz's page. I've been on the list for at least 15 years, mostly lurking. I have also met 3 PDMLers. Wendy On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: I found the PDML via Bojidar Dimitrov's k-mount pages. He gives a glowing recommendation. Alan C -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Darwin Waterfront
Quoting David Mann dmann...@gmail.com: On Mar 19, 2015, at 6:43 pm, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: We''l be in Darwin in late July - not sure I'll have time for a swim either but I definitely check out the nearby precinct. Yes it's a nice little spot and definitely a good place to dine alfresco in the evening. It won't be so humid when you're there so it might even be pleasant to have lunch outdoors. How long will you be in Darwin? I think it's always humid in Darwin! We'll be there for 5 nights after our tour through the Kimberley Region of WA. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) Googling - or more likely, since it was around 2002-3, AltaVista-ing. I must have lurked for a while because my first post wasn't until April 2004. Took me that long to work up the courage to dive in. (Bloody hell - that means I've been hanging around here for over 10 years...) -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 6:43 pm, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: We''l be in Darwin in late July - not sure I'll have time for a swim either but I definitely check out the nearby precinct. Yes it's a nice little spot and definitely a good place to dine alfresco in the evening. It won't be so humid when you're there so it might even be pleasant to have lunch outdoors. How long will you be in Darwin? Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/3/15, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: breath of fresh air to find a group of photographers who generally knew their aperture from a hole in the ground Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I had been out of photography for several years due to health and income restrictions, was looking to get back in. Didn’t know whether to stick with film or go digital. Googling brought me to Doug Brewer’s web site. I wrote to him and asked his advice. He gave me some—it’s pretty much digital now—and referred me to pdml. I was turned off by the volume of emails initially. Eventually discovered that a lot of the volume was friendly banter after serious comments on photos or answers to questions had pretty much wound down. Eventually came to understand that pdml is actually a small close-knit group of extremely knowledgeable and highly skilled photographers. Still the rankest amateur here, I have nevertheless found it to be friendly, hospitable, and helpful. A photo posted by P.J. Ailing, Prayer Service at St. Michael’s” https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20prayerserviceatstmichaels.html lead me to purchase the camera it was shot with, a i*st DS, my first digital camera. I have learned a lot from this group, though I’m still the rankest amateur. I hope it will be around for a long time to come. I hate online forums. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net Imagining the other is a powerful antidote to fanaticism and hatred. - Amos Oz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/03/15 14:27, Paul Stenquist wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Thought I hadn't been here *that* long, but I think I know. I don't seem to be contributing a lot these days, or taking a lot of photos. Not sure I have a good reason not to, but it seems like the days have started running faster than me lately. I think I list like this is easily better than any web forum, but the way. In fact, I've more or less given up any web site where I have to create an account - which I'll forget I even have a few weeks later, if you know what I'm saying... - Toralf Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
to reduce the slide: remember that rudeness turns people off (not aimed at anyone at all - a general observation from many forums over many years) try to help when people ask for it people participate because the list is informative, entertaining and it provides social interaction - any others? no one likes to be ignored - everyone needs to be acknowledged once in a while to increase the profile: put it out there on the social media sites. Not changing the format of the list but adding a pdml information page with the stuff necessary to make sure it pops in searches. Add keywords like photography Pentax and various related subjects. if this post makes it through then I'll try to add more thoughts as they occur to me. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? If we require all members to post 3 times a a day we could get to the 2010 monthly total ! ;+)! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details. I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to
Re: Where is everyone?
On 19/03/15 14:39, Rick Womer wrote: I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details. I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? #I #think #we #should #try #to #look #cooler #by #using #a #certain #characters #a #lot. - Toralf (#happy) Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso Q landscapes
I think I've convinced myself. Thanks Brian. On 3/19/15 3:08 AM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 12 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 16:46:47 +1100 From: Brian Waltersapathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Geso Q landscapes Message-ID: 20150319164647.horde.ft8lt5zgffnvcmlhvwqn...@webmail.netregistry.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes Quoting Donald Guthrieshark50...@gmail.com: Here are a few landscape type shots taken with the Q7. The first 5 were taken with kit zoom. The second 5 were taken using the Pentax M 28mm with a $20 adapter. The 4.6 crop factor results in 128 FL. Comments invited. https://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157650976431200/ https://flic.kr/s/aHsk8Jw9U9 A really nice set of images. I've been trying to decide if my Q is a viable backup system for travelling. You've just about convinced me that it is. -- Cheers Brian ++ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 2015-03-19 6:53 , Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) i can't remember how i found it in 2009; somehow i had already somehow chosen to buy a K200D and i think i was exploring what lenses to get (i'd had a Powershot G3 for a few years, and before that i'd spent several years with a Canon Elan IIe and a Yashica T4 Super) in the mid-90s i was on an eos mailing list; i was never big on web forums, but i believe i read rec.photo and/or rec.photo.digital at points; maybe i found pdml from one of them i see exactly two mentions of pdml in the entire history of rec.photo.digital, but there are a bunch of mentions in rec.photo.equipment.35mm, most recent is 2007 But I'm wondering how*anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. if we *do* want to increase exposure and membership, perhaps a little SEO magic on the website would be in order; messages in the list archive come up for me fairly often in searches, but the pdml.net homepage is completely static just putting a clip from a random post, or the results of a search for Mark!, or something else dynamic would probably increase the page rank; i'm not qualified to dig deeply into SEO, but i bet someone else here is … another quick SEO boost would be for all who have blogs to include a link to pdml.net (assuming it gets some links of its own) in a sidebar, or even blog about it -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 19/03/15 13:53, Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I've forgotten exactly where it was, but I saw it mentioned on some web forum, or possibly a Usenet group. This may not have been the first time I read about it, but I remember someone commenting that surely I was a member of the PDML, who knew so much - in response to an answer I posted to a question about some kind of Pentax gear (which I knew thanks to Boz's site.) I'm still not sure if the guy was sarcastic or not... - T I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I don't remember how I found PDML It was a long time ago. It must have been from a web search. I unsubscribed quite a while ago when I quit taking pictures. Slide processing got too expensive and I kept waiting for Pentax to offer a full frame digital camera but they never did. I finally packed up all my Pentax gear and took it to a KEH buying event where I sold it all. Not too long ago, I bought a full frame Canon digital camera and I started shooting again. Susan and I are thinking about going back to GFM this year. I still despise the digital process. G My workflow is to shoot in RAW, crop when needed and convert to jpg. That's it. No levels, no sharpening, no anything. It's very good to know that the PDML is still going. I'll contribute when I can but there's not much I can offer. Tom Reese edit sorry if this is a duplicate post the first one doesn't seem to have reached the PDML post office. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. I found a local photographer meetup group and instigated a lunch time get together at a restaurant which it turns out was easy bicycling distance from both where I worked and where John Francis lives. I had just recently gotten fed up with some nonsense on the dp review pentax forum and it was a pleasant breath of fresh air to find a group of photographers who generally knew their aperture from a hole in the ground. I also got some of the most constructive feedback on photos that I posted, and generally learned a lot reading feedback on other photos. Lately it seems as if the feedback being given is much gentler and a bit less informative. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 2015-03-19 12:05 , Bruce Walker wrote: I read about the PDML in Tim Bray's blog, back when he was a Pentax user. It was summer 2007, and I had just bought (or was just about to buy) my first DSLR, a K100D Super, and I could see that the level of discourse here was smarter than dpreview et al. oh, yes, there's a distinct possibility i found it the same way; been following ongoing for many years -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On 2015-03-19 13:14 , wendy beard wrote: I’ve had difficulty posting for the longest time. 6 months or more - even after I’d switched e-mail addresses for the list subscription. I still can't post from Apple Mail - even with the format set to plain text. It doesn't bounce back, just never appears. i am a strong partisan for plain text, but this issue keeps coming along because email client defaults no longer obey KISS, so i'd suggest tweaking the mailman config to drop the HTML and just send through the plain text portion of an email, instead of dropping entire messages; here's the setting for that (third code block): http://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.82%20How%20do%20I%20filter%20or%20scrub%20content%20before%20checking%20if%20a%20message%20is%20%22too%20big%22%3F and in case it's useful, here's a method for converting HTML to text, for those really awful email clients that send no plain text part (it's based on mailman 3.x though): https://pythonhosted.org/mailman/src/mailman/handlers/docs/filtering.html#conversion-to-plain-text i am not a mailman wizard, but i know enough to dig in if i can be of help -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re:PESO - El Capitan
I absolutely agree! On 3/19/15 7:54 AM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:10:13 -0400 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - El Capitan Message-ID: caomwt1ybqz7epbp_tphc20f-x7owwgtwvctgjzhogov3j4n...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 A stunning and classic image, Brian! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all - just adding my photo to the millions that preceded it. I tried a B W version because the midday light wasn't especially friendly. This dates from late May 2013: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP4525-K5-1peso.html http://tinyurl.com/o2kmz2u Comments etc. appreciated. -- Cheers Brian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
On Mar 19, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote: On 19/03/15 14:39, Rick Womer wrote: I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details. I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? #I #think #we #should #try #to #look #cooler #by #using #a #certain #characters #a #lot. - Toralf (#happy) #grin stan #PentaxRocks! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Tom Reese wrote: to increase the profile: put it out there on the social media sites. Not changing the format of the list but adding a pdml information page with the stuff necessary to make sure it pops in searches. Add keywords like photography Pentax and various related subjects. I'm wary of getting too involved with social media but I do have a Facebook page specifically for the PDML Photo Annual and it has a link to the sign-up page. What I'll do is just make one post a week featuring an image from one of the past editions of the book. We've certainly accumulated enough outstanding images over the past seven years! If enough people share the photos it might stir up some interest. I really find there are advantages to a text-only medium and I think there are a lot of others who might come to the same conclusion if they only knew such a thing existed. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Bruce Walker wrote: I read about the PDML in Tim Bray's blog, back when he was a Pentax user. It was summer 2007, and I had just bought (or was just about to buy) my first DSLR, a K100D Super, and I could see that the level of discourse here was smarter than dpreview et al. I was never much of a gear head, and I'm even less so now, so gear chat generally bores me. My chief reason for hanging out in any photography forum is images; both viewing and sharing. Unhappily, my tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore. I've been enjoying your recent work, and have been very interested in how you go about it, since it intersects very closely with a lot of the stuff I'm working on. I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to decide whether or not sharing photographic interests with me is a good thing. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Digest, Vol 107, Issue 68
Bruce, handling is not a word I would use with the Q. It is light and fits in one hand nicely. I carried it that way on this walk gave it no thought until I saw something to photograph. Once when I was on a tall bridge in the wind, I did think maybe a wrist strap would be nice but I don't want to encumber it that much. As I mentioned elsewhere I it will make an excellent bu camera when traveling. Something to carry when you have nothing in particular in mind but handy when something jumps up. But it is easy to forget you have it with you. I think it would work for street and festival shooting quite nicely as it is not the least bit scary about it. People take no notice of it when shooting. Technically it is very capable. Auto would work 99% of the time. I shoot raw and AV but only out of habit. It has some tricks (HDR, Dramatic BW. ND filters) that I have not played with too much. I have the kit lens and the Toy Fisheye will pick up the prime lens soon. If you pop a standard lens with an adapter it does have focus peeking and zoom in focus with manual lenses. The 28mm adds some bulk but still easy enuf to carry use. (altho my manual focusing has never been the best) anything longer than the 28mm might require tripod even with IS. But even a 100mm macro lens would give you the reach 0f 500+ mm and it gets tough find subject and focus w/o tripod. While it's light it seems solid and not a toy. You can hold it like any other camera but It is small enuf to shoot one handed and get into places other cameras won't go. Depth of field is the weak point of course. Small sensor and small apertures give great DOP damn physics. There is a built in software cheat but have not had time to try it. Sort of that faux tilt shift mode I assume. However you will not stop down past F5.6 because de-fraction beats you up pretty quickly. Any specific questions fire away. I have one more set in que on: https://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157649084439983/ These are of a bike ride I took a week ago across a half mile 13 story high bridge spanning the Des Moines river valley. I also will be posting a scene I took with the Q and my Kr at the same time. The differences are not all that great, but the carrying weight sure is. Thanks for you interest. On 3/19/15 10:36 AM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 8 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:25:20 -0700 From: Bruce bkday...@daytonphoto.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Geso Q landscapes Message-ID: 8fdcba1d-8149-4b6b-a374-fe0236935...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Some good shots, there. Seems that the Q system is capable of some good shots - we know the photographer is not the weak link in the chain. How was handling of the camera/lenses? Have you attempted anything with really shallow DOF and how did it turn out? -- Bruce On March 17, 2015 11:55:57 AM PDT, Donald Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: Here are a few landscape type shots taken with the Q7. The first 5 were taken with kit zoom. The second 5 were taken using the Pentax M 28mm with a $20 adapter. The 4.6 crop factor results in 128 FL. Comments invited. https://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157650976431200/ https://flic.kr/s/aHsk8Jw9U9 -- Sent from Kaiten Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
I came in about 2000 or so. Used to comment and review pics a lot. Life has changed drastically for me. Some pleasant, some challenging. Have had the pleasure of meeting several members over the years. Always a joy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. I found a local photographer meetup group and instigated a lunch time get together at a restaurant which it turns out was easy bicycling distance from both where I worked and where John Francis lives. I had just recently gotten fed up with some nonsense on the dp review pentax forum and it was a pleasant breath of fresh air to find a group of photographers who generally knew their aperture from a hole in the ground. I also got some of the most constructive feedback on photos that I posted, and generally learned a lot reading feedback on other photos. Lately it seems as if the feedback being given is much gentler and a bit less informative. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
My opinion, which everyone hates, by the way, is that Facebook and Fora are easy and require even less technical knowledge than using e-mail lists. Despite being one of the most educated generations, millennials, have no real interest in knowing how the actual nuts and bolts of anything works, and are perfectly willing to give up bunch of privacy for ease of use. Thus the allure of Facebook. One of the things I like about the PDML even using gmail, is that with their pop server, I never have to see their advertisements. Yes, yes, they do scan my emails but, since I don't see their advertisements,. and don't use the for truly private conversations, I don't care. On 3/19/2015 10:32 AM, George Sinos wrote: My photography was going in a direction that wasn't pleasing me. I decided to cut back on interaction with photography sites, the camera club and, in general, photo enthusiast stuff. So much of what is discussed is only of interest to other photography hobbyists and isn't even on the radar for most folks. I still scan list but don't look at photos much these days. I have three significant hobbies and moving between them seems cyclical. More time is spent on others as interest in one decreases. For now I'm contended with other things and will return to more active photographic efforts in time. Just an aside: email lists seem to be a hangover from the past. Lists seem to be populated by older folks that discovered the Internet before things like forums and Facebook were around. As only one example, I listen to a very popular podcast for one of my other hobbies. Each episode is downloaded around 100,000 times. It's rare that the associated email list for discussion sees more than half a dozen posts each week. On the other hand, the Facebook group will see about 50 new posts every day. There is very little overlap between the two. You can sense the age divide when reading both. Don't care much for Facebook as a company, but that seems to be where the majority of people are these days. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out about the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com When I gave up video and rediscovered photography in the mid-late ‘90s, I moved from my old ME-Supers to Pz-1p. The whole autofocus, Power Zoom etc were a mystery to me. But most importantly, I wanted to buy lenses. Particularly a “modern” 135mm lens. Looking on eBay, I was totally confused by the vast numbers of different 135mm lenses. So I went to the Pentax site looking for information, found a link to this group, and the rest is history. I remember that one reason people used to give for not staying with PDML once they found us was that they couldn’t deal with the high volume of messages. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso Q landscapes
Thanks for the look Ann, yes Flickr can be hinky but it is convenient resting place before I decide which photos go to SmuMug. The rock had one admirer so I guess I will leave it up. On 3/17/15 5:14 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 8 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 17:25:36 -0400 From: Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Geso Q landscapes Message-ID:55089bd0.5050...@nyc.rr.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Nice group... Like best those featuring large trees. The previous album was jumping around on me for some reason ... I went back and looked again.. something about that ficklr format. Close ups nice, can't decide which a favor most, but have to say I think you should remove the rock one... it's a rather unappealing form and the leaves are so pretty. ann On 3/17/2015 14:55, Donald Guthrie wrote: Here are a few landscape type shots taken with the Q7. The first 5 were taken with kit zoom. The second 5 were taken using the Pentax M 28mm with a $20 adapter. The 4.6 crop factor results in 128 FL. Comments invited. https://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157650976431200/ https://flic.kr/s/aHsk8Jw9U9 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re:Geso Q landscapes
Thank you Jack, They are not dramatic - more gentle peaceful. On 3/17/15 5:14 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 13 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 22:14:24 + (UTC) From: Jack Davisjdavi...@comcast.net To: PDMLpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Geso Q landscapes Message-ID: 562609714.5537059.1426630464565.javamail.zim...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Solid, impressively rendered images, Don! Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
