Re: [Phono-L] Final bracket detail pics
It looks great, John. I knew you would like the results, once you got it figured out. You really can't tell that they are decals. Curt Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:53:37 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Final bracket detail pics Here are the pics from the paintless form in which I got the Vic II to the final detailing of the decals (before clear coat). Pic one is the paintless bracket, 2 is the painted bracket, 3 shows the bracket after decals and Micro Set, and 4 shows it after the MicroSol is applied. What a difference! This link will take you to the pics. Be sure and click your mouse button to zoom in so you can read the captions. Great decals, Gregg! http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Vic%20II%20Bracket%20Before%20and%20After/ John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor Picture Record - Paul Whiteman - A Night at the Biltmore
Hi guys, I just purchased a Paul Whiteman Victor Picture Disc and I can't discover much information about it. Does anyone know approximately how many of these that were made. I believe that it was pressed in 1932, but that's about the extent of the info that I have been able to uncover. Anyone have any information regarding this particular disc? I have two others, also. One is Music in the Air and the other is one with a picture of Noel Coward. Any info would be appreciated. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
Hi John, I sent the seller a message and a link to the Crapophone website. He sent me a message saying he added an amendment to the listing. I checked it and here it is: On Aug-17-10 at 07:36:36 PDT, seller added the following information: Note: I have received conflicting ideas regarding the authenticity of this item. It is possible that some parts have been replaced, or that it is a reproduction. I recommend all buyers to look closely at the pictures. He added this, in small print, below the very large description. That being said, I found a bunch of the same thing with prices ranging from $100-250 for Authentic, Antique Gramophone/Phonograph/Crapophones. This stuff is ruining eBay... Several months ago, I watched two or three listings of needle tins that included small collections of very rare tins from a seller in Hamburg, Germany. Each one was snapped up at the last minute by the same bidder. I finally decided to bid on a new listing of approx. 70 tins, some very rare along with original advertising. The pictures were slightly hazy, but you could recognize the rare tins when you enlarged the pics. The bids were quite low and assuming the same bidder would snipe it at the end, I put in an extra generous bid, but still within reason for what was represented. I won the auction and the previous bidder on the other auctions, drove my bid to the max. When I finally got them, they were cleverly crafted forgeries that I paid 200 euros for. I wrote the seller and asked him what he thought he was doing. He admitted that they were fakes, but said he disclosed it in small print (in German). I went back and looked at all of his previous auctions and no disclosure, b ut on this particular one he added an additional word in front of authentic. Thankfully, I paid with PayPal and after investigating, they paid me back. Lesson learned... Curt To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:32:29 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 The seller said they would amend the description. We'll see... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number:? 250683868557 John Robles -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 From: ronbr...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Records
Hi guys, I just purchased a Paul Whiteman Victor Picture Disc and I can't discover much information about it. Does anyone know approximately how many of these that were made. I believe that it was pressed in 1932, but that's about the extent of the info that I have been able to uncover. Anyone have any information regarding this particular disc? I have two others, also. One is Music in the Air and the other is one with a picture of Noel Coward. Any info would be appreciated. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:30:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hi John, I sent the seller a message and a link to the Crapophone website. He sent me a message saying he added an amendment to the listing. I checked it and here it is: On Aug-17-10 at 07:36:36 PDT, seller added the following information: Note: I have received conflicting ideas regarding the authenticity of this item. It is possible that some parts have been replaced, or that it is a reproduction. I recommend all buyers to look closely at the pictures. He added this, in small print, below the very large description. That being said, I found a bunch of the same thing with prices ranging from $100-250 for Authentic, Antique Gramophone/Phonograph/Crapophones. This stuff is ruining eBay... Several months ago, I watched two or three listings of needle tins that included small collections of very rare tins from a seller in Hamburg, Germany. Each one was snapped up at the last minute by the same bidder. I finally decided to bid on a new listing of approx. 70 tins, some very rare along with original advertising. The pictures were slightly hazy, but you could recognize the rare tins when you enlarged the pics. The bids were quite low and assuming the same bidder would snipe it at the end, I put in an extra generous bid, but still within reason for what was represented. I won the auction and the previous bidder on the other auctions, drove my bid to the max. When I finally got them, they were cleverly crafted forgeries that I paid 200 euros for. I wrote the seller and asked him what he thought he was doing. He admitted that they were fakes, but said he disclosed it in small print (in German). I went back and looked at all of his previous auctions and no disclosure, b ut on this particular one he added an additional word in front of authentic. Thankfully, I paid with PayPal and after investigating, they paid me back. Lesson learned... Curt To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:32:29 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 The seller said they would amend the description. We'll see... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Message-ID: 884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this
Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay
Jim, you are too critical... it's an authentic Chinese Victrola and very rare at that :) Curt From: jnic...@fuse.net Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:33:28 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay Wow! What a bargain. And I love the fabulous command of the English language of this Canadian seller. Jim On Aug 19, 2010, at 8:16 PM, harvey kravitz wrote: Hey guys, Check out this bargain on fleabay!! The number is300451774455. I guess someone is going to find a way to finance this gem(no offense to Edison Gems). Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay
It was withdrawn... apparently no one wanted to pay the $1380 buy it now price. From: j...@phono-phixer.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:09:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay The can of coke is the only thing of value in the pictures :) - Original Message - From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay Does he use the coke in the can to erase the incredibly huge scratch in the record before he plays it on the crapiphone? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:33 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay Wow! What a bargain. And I love the fabulous command of the English language of this Canadian seller. Jim On Aug 19, 2010, at 8:16 PM, harvey kravitz wrote: Hey guys, Check out this bargain on fleabay!! The number is300451774455. I guess someone is going to find a way to finance this gem(no offense to Edison Gems). Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phonotop any one can play it
Apparently more than one person wanted it bad enough to pay $210.50... go figure. Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:50:19 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonotop any one can play it I see at least one person has a severe case of Gotthaveititus. I bet playing a record on that thing is challenging to say the least. Lets see you need on e of the old flat Dixie Cups that used to live in the dispenser next to the water cooler, an old top, needle taped to bottom of paper cup and an old record. Speed control is going to be a bit unstable though. Steven Medved wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/220673656596 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Crank for 15 New York Symphonion
I'm hoping that someone might have a crank for a 15 Symphonion music box. I also need a piece of very small rope molding - approx. 3/16 wide for the same machine. Does anyone have one of these or both of these items for sale? Thanks for any help. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Crank for 15 New York Symphonion
That's probably the only way that I am going to be able to replace that molding, because finding an original piece is like a needle in a haystack. Thanks for the reply... Curt From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:59:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Crank for 15 New York Symphonion It's not difficult to recreate a section of molding with silicone impression material or modeling putty and the right acrylics. You then color it to match (sometimes not as easy as it sounds. I've seen what Greg Dorrance in Attleboro can do with this technique and it is amazing. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:56 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Crank for 15 New York Symphonion I'm hoping that someone might have a crank for a 15 Symphonion music box. I also need a piece of very small rope molding - approx. 3/16 wide for the same machine. Does anyone have one of these or both of these items for sale? Thanks for any help. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cecilian Treasure Chest
Hi Greg, Do you have a picture of the machine? I would be interested to see one, since I have a Baby machine made by them. The motors may be similar or interchangeable, since they are very simple. Curt From: gack...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:06:10 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Cecilian Treasure Chest I recently bought a Cecilian Treasure Chest phonograph. Upon disassembly, I discovered it is missing the spring barrel and spring. The motor, which looks to be the original, is marked The General Industries Co, Elyria Ohio JUNIOR. It is a small portable type single spring motor. I tried to do a little internet research on these -all of the photos I found show a side crank. This one is a front crank - I'm sure it was made that way - there are no other holes in the case. Does anyone have any parts or information on this machine. Thanks Greg A ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record
I'm hoping that someone on the list might have some info on Victor Puzzle Records. I picked one up the other day titled: The Conundrum - What Should I Play Next?. Anyone know how many of these were made or how scarce they might be? I have only seen two of these - the one that I bought and another by Jimmie Rodgers. Were these a demo of the then current technology, or were they made for some other purpose? The selections on this record are four different types of music, which play randomly, depending on where or when you place the needle - very strange... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record
Hi Allen, Thanks for the info. I had no idea that they went back to the Berliner era. Curt From: allena...@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:38:22 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record In a message dated 10/27/2010 12:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: The selections on this record are four different types of music, which play randomly, depending on where or when you place the needle - very strange... Hi, The idea is very old and goes back to some Berliner 7 discs. There is a discussion of their development in PHP. If I recall, yours was probably made around 1912. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record
You are right... someone must have done this for some marketing/technology demonstration. From: rvu...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:39:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record Hi Bruce, I learned something new today. I've never heard or seen one of those records before. We can all speculate as to how it was done but I'd rather know who had the imagination to think up the idea. Must have ben a hot shot in the Victor marketing department. Bob V -Original Message- From: bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:52 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozPct-CiZK4 Here is the Conundrum being demonstrated on Youtube. Bruce - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:50:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record There seems to be lot of conjecture about exactly how many of those records that Victor made. I always hear of the Conundrum, but never have seen/heard it. I have the Puzzle Record, which has three starts on each of two sides. It's a 10 inch. Rust's Victor Master Book tells thyat some (not all) of the tracks were done by the Mayfair Orchestra (England?). Audio quality is very good. The stylus sure does go across the record in a hurry! [Original Message] From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/27/2010 12:06:16 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record I'm hoping that someone on the list might have some info on Victor Puzzle Records. I picked one up the other day titled: The Conundrum - What Should I Play Next?. Anyone know how many of these were made or how scarce they might be? I have only seen two of these - the one that I bought and another by Jimmie Rodgers. Were these a demo of the then current technology, or were they made for some other purpose? The selections on this record are four different types of music, which play randomly, depending on where or when you place the needle - very strange... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record
Hi Doug, Thanks for the information. I was aware that these existed, but never saw one until recently. Curt From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:50:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record There seems to be lot of conjecture about exactly how many of those records that Victor made. I always hear of the Conundrum, but never have seen/heard it. I have the Puzzle Record, which has three starts on each of two sides. It's a 10 inch. Rust's Victor Master Book tells thyat some (not all) of the tracks were done by the Mayfair Orchestra (England?). Audio quality is very good. The stylus sure does go across the record in a hurry! [Original Message] From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/27/2010 12:06:16 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record I'm hoping that someone on the list might have some info on Victor Puzzle Records. I picked one up the other day titled: The Conundrum - What Should I Play Next?. Anyone know how many of these were made or how scarce they might be? I have only seen two of these - the one that I bought and another by Jimmie Rodgers. Were these a demo of the then current technology, or were they made for some other purpose? The selections on this record are four different types of music, which play randomly, depending on where or when you place the needle - very strange... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record
This one is very interesting - wish I could find one. Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:31:27 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZQpFKLuEE Here is a real early one from 1901. The Fortune Telling record, one song and two Fortunes. Bruce - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:06:04 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record I'm hoping that someone on the list might have some info on Victor Puzzle Records. I picked one up the other day titled: The Conundrum - What Should I Play Next?. Anyone know how many of these were made or how scarce they might be? I have only seen two of these - the one that I bought and another by Jimmie Rodgers. Were these a demo of the then current technology, or were they made for some other purpose? The selections on this record are four different types of music, which play randomly, depending on where or when you place the needle - very strange... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record
Wow... Monty Python - they were my favorites and I never heard of the three sided record. From: jnic...@fuse.net Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:52:19 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record The best known record of this type is the one by Monty Python in the 1970's. I was astounded when I bought it back then, and accidentally discovered that side 2 had two different grooves. It was called a three-sided record. http://www.snopes.com/music/media/groove.asp Jim On Oct 27, 2010, at 7:52 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozPct-CiZK4 Here is the Conundrum being demonstrated on Youtube. Bruce - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:50:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record There seems to be lot of conjecture about exactly how many of those records that Victor made. I always hear of the Conundrum, but never have seen/heard it. I have the Puzzle Record, which has three starts on each of two sides. It's a 10 inch. Rust's Victor Master Book tells thyat some (not all) of the tracks were done by the Mayfair Orchestra (England?). Audio quality is very good. The stylus sure does go across the record in a hurry! [Original Message] From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/27/2010 12:06:16 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record I'm hoping that someone on the list might have some info on Victor Puzzle Records. I picked one up the other day titled: The Conundrum - What Should I Play Next?. Anyone know how many of these were made or how scarce they might be? I have only seen two of these - the one that I bought and another by Jimmie Rodgers. Were these a demo of the then current technology, or were they made for some other purpose? The selections on this record are four different types of music, which play randomly, depending on where or when you place the needle - very strange... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism
Dave, I think it was a small trip wire fastened to the pin on a hand grenade concealed inside the phonograph. It was very effective at stopping the thief, but the main problem was the totally destroyed phonograph... :) Curt Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:14:47 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism I remember Karl Frick used to advertise something that he said stopped reproducer theft. I always wondered what that was. Dave --- On Mon, 11/8/10, john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:35 AM Neal Maken used to sell what he called a reproducer locking screw to prevent theft. Same thing, I imagine. Good idea! John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:28:58 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism For the Edison Standard on display at our local museum, I used a very short 5-40 allen head set screw. This was placed in the carriage and tightened down before the real reproducer set screw was put on. It is not likely a thief would have an allen wrench of that size unless he reads this and comes prepared. I always did this if I placed a machine on consignment, too. Never lost a reproducer. Dave --- On Mon, 11/8/10, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net wrote: From: jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:19 AM Have already adopted this precaution. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 07-Nov-2010 4:30:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism One of the antique malls I've been in does not leave reproducers attached to any of the machines. If you want buy the phono, you have to ask one of the attendants to fetch you the reproducer. Jim On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:29 PM, jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Just returned from The Antique Gallery in Round Rock, Texas where I rent a stall to sell antique records the occasional phonograph. All of the dealer's in antique phonographs have had their machines vandalized by theft of soundboxes, reproducers tone arms.Stolen from my booth were the gun-metal finish Diamond Disc Reproducer from an Edison Baby Console Phonograph, the Diamond B Reproducer from an Edison Fireside Model B Phonograph a Victor No. 2 Soundbox from a Victrola 100. These were shiny all-original (except for gaskets in the No. 2) in excellent condition played extremely well, especially the Diamond B. A few months ago a Victor No. 2 Soundbox (which I replaced) from the Victrola 100 one of its horn door knobs were stolenThe thief did not take two Gold-Plated Diamond Disc Reproducers, one from an A-250 the other from a C-250. These were less shiny that what was stolen.(I understand that a Diamond Disc Reproducer, a Columbia tone arm with S oundbox whatever Soundbox was on a Haywood Wakefield wicker upright made for some other company were stolen from other dealers at The Antique Gallery.) I have a replacement for the Victor No. 2 Soundbox (finish not as nice as on one that was stolen) but need to replace the Diamond B gun-metal Diamond Disc Reproducers. And, to report this to Police I would like to know what such all-original excellent sounding Reproducers should be valued at.The manager of The Antique Gallery does not know when these items were taken but they were still there when I was at the Mall about 6 weeks ago. Have they turned up on E-bay or Craigslist? Let me know if anyone has a good Diamond A Diamond Disc Reproducer for sale. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
I whant as many of dose gramophones as you will send... I whill accept em all. From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:46:40 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I'm actually loving this. Rant on, Johnny-Chuck! On Nov 9, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com wrote: i told you people whaht i had to tell you ,now dont get smart,what is my bunesse is not yours,and be calm AND I DONT WHANT ANY OF YOUR PRODUCT. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:01:54 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Jean-Charles- Who are you trying to communicate with??? If you have a problem with a seller on this board you need to take it up with them privately and off the public list. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:42:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring hello,i made up my mind now that evry it clear,i guest i wont buy any of your products,PS.dont send me any of dose gramophones i whont accept any of them so every that is clear for you,forget about evrey thing once again i dont whant to order any of your product. From: ander...@tampabay.rr.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:07:27 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Folks, Again, This is what is required to make it work and what was originally supplied with the early style Edison Cygnet horn cranes. You dont need the spring as long as you have the older style crane. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORN-CONNECTOR-EDISON-COLUMBIA-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-/320611493258?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4aa5ef258a Steve On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:57 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: WTF is that all about??? John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:51:17 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring what do tou mein by no spring,that not new product,your suppose to sell it complete,and what is the price you never told me your price i am having trouble to get the price out of you people PS.and dose gramophomes is not miniature,and before shipping any thing i whant to be clear about everyting the price the shipping price and the description of any items is that clear,your shipping nothing before my autorisation is that clear. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring People I know have one and it lifts up the reproducer one the one end of the record, on the other is it way too heavy on a fireside. My idea is to convert it to the new style. Thanks for the reply, I never gave this any thought until they had the problem. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:36 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I would not think that they would track well, without the 'give' of the spring. The rigid bolt connection seems as if it would be very stiff. For those who are unfamiliar with this early horn, I have posted a picture of the horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/ John Robles --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:08 PM Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder
I don't know what you call it exactly, but does anyone sell replacements for the brass ball holder that is riveted to a cygnet horn? If so, how do you go about replacing it? Mine was torn up by someone trying to replace the ball. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder
Dave, Thanks for that idea, I never thought of Don Gfell or Mirek. Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:35:18 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Don Gfell may be able to help. He needs them for his wooden horns. I think that Mirek Stehlik in Kitchener, Ontario used to make them, too. Dave --- On Wed, 11/10/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 8:30 AM I don't know what you call it exactly, but does anyone sell replacements for the brass ball holder that is riveted to a cygnet horn? If so, how do you go about replacing it? Mine was torn up by someone trying to replace the ball. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder
I've been afraid to remove the rivets, since I don't know what method they used originally to put the rivets in without distorting the horn... any ideas? From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:00:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Have you tried drilling out the rivets and taking the part to a musical Instrument repair shop? They may be able to straighten it out. Then you can rivet it back on. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:30 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I don't know what you call it exactly, but does anyone sell replacements for the brass ball holder that is riveted to a cygnet horn? If so, how do you go about replacing it? Mine was torn up by someone trying to replace the ball. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] (no subject)
Does anyone have any spare parts for a dancing rastus or just the top parts with chickens, boxers, etc. ? Also, since Charlie Weatherbee quit making repros, does anyone have patterns for them? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] This should have read: Dancing Rastus, etc.
From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:02:16 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] (no subject) Does anyone have any spare parts for a dancing rastus or just the top parts with chickens, boxers, etc. ? Also, since Charlie Weatherbee quit making repros, does anyone have patterns for them? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder
I appreciate all of the ideas and help. These are exactly the issues that I was contemplating on how to make it look right. I even thought of cutting rivets in half, JB welding the part to the horn and then JB welding each half of the rivets back in. Once it was painted, you would not be able to tell the diff. Using old fashioned rivets is not easy, since you need something solid to round them over inside the horn. I may just try to repair the damage to the existing part first. I try to think of all of the issues before I begin any repair. Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:59:34 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Is it really so bad the rivets must come out? Even if the metal is split I'll bet you could close it up. This sounds like one of those jobs you wish you left alone. Rivet drilling can go wrong in a heartbeat. If you can drill the outside head with a matching bit ( a little smaller that the rivet head) but do not drill thru'. Be very careful. Just thin the rivet. Next with a smaller bit drill thru' the center but not through the rivet. Take a punch and gently tap it out. The rivet head should break apart at the shank when you tap it. If not thin the head out more so. Small brass rivets will be your best bet. I'd use nuts and bolts over pop rivets.You might give thought if you use brass rivets to drill the shank with a small bit. That way when you set them the rivet should give with less force. If you use nuts and bolts use brass. File the nuts down very thin and even file them round. Cut the screws just long enough so when you bolt it together the screw should not extend past the thin nut. Using brass you can fill the slotted head in with solder. Either use rub n buff or just black model paint. It is un-doable if need be and will look better than you think. Mike Stitt Good luck. Mike Stitt On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: It was probably a riveting tool with a long reach. You could pop rivet them but that would not look quite right from the inside. Anyone else know more about riveting? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I've been afraid to remove the rivets, since I don't know what method they used originally to put the rivets in without distorting the horn... any ideas? From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:00:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Have you tried drilling out the rivets and taking the part to a musical Instrument repair shop? They may be able to straighten it out. Then you can rivet it back on. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:30 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I don't know what you call it exactly, but does anyone sell replacements for the brass ball holder that is riveted to a cygnet horn? If so, how do you go about replacing it? Mine was torn up by someone trying to replace the ball. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder
Hi Andy and all, From what you can see on the video, Rub n Buff or similar rub on metallic waxes are great for restorations. I have used it to touch up or redo the stripes on Edison horns. It subtlely restores the original look. A friend and I recently used it on the gold tonearm of his Victrola 18, which had some obvious wear on the elbow near the reproducer. After we finished, you couldn't tell it was done. Note: Rub n Buff or other metallic waxes look good, but are not permanent without using a fixative. I use Krylon Matte finish art fixative to topcoat it after I'm through. It is transparent and does not show up after it is applied, but makes the metallic finish permanent. You should experiment first, before using it on an important piece. Another use for the fixative is this: if you have a black horn, which is scratched, etc. it detracts from the look and I hate to repaint, because you cannot reproduce the japanned finish. I touch up the scratches with a Sharpie marker, then blend the t ouchups in with WD40 - I know, everyone hates WD40, but WD40 sprayed on the black paint restores the original look and blends in the touchups from the Sharpie. I then wipe off the WD40 with a soft cloth and spray the horn with fixative. If you have a horn that is in need of repainting, you might try this procedure, as it has worked well for me. I have restored a Victor R horn, a Cygnet horn that was really scratched bad and an Edison black flowered horn that now looks pristine. Just an idea... take it for what it's worth. Curt From: a...@popyrus.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:35:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I've been following this thread with interest. Nice description here. Brass hardware that you mentioned (2-56 thread might be appropriate for this), and solder are all relatively soft materials and would give that nice balance between getting as close as you can to a factory look, and yet be sturdy enough to know it will safely support the weight. What's the rub n buff that you mentioned? Andy Baron On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Mike Stitt wrote: Is it really so bad the rivets must come out? Even if the metal is split I'll bet you could close it up. This sounds like one of those jobs you wish you left alone. Rivet drilling can go wrong in a heartbeat. If you can drill the outside head with a matching bit ( a little smaller that the rivet head) but do not drill thru'. Be very careful. Just thin the rivet. Next with a smaller bit drill thru' the center but not through the rivet. Take a punch and gently tap it out. The rivet head should break apart at the shank when you tap it. If not thin the head out more so. Small brass rivets will be your best bet. I'd use nuts and bolts over pop rivets.You might give thought if you use brass rivets to drill the shank with a small bit. That way when you set them the rivet should give with less force. If you use nuts and bolts use brass. File the nuts down very thin and even file them round. Cut the screws just long enough so when you bolt it together the screw should not extend past the thin nut. Using brass you can fill the slotted head in with solder. Either use rub n buff or just black model paint. It is un-doable if need be and will look better than you think. Mike Stitt Good luck. Mike Stitt On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: It was probably a riveting tool with a long reach. You could pop rivet them but that would not look quite right from the inside. Anyone else know more about riveting? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I've been afraid to remove the rivets, since I don't know what method they used originally to put the rivets in without distorting the horn... any ideas? From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:00:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Have you tried drilling out the rivets and taking the part to a musical Instrument repair shop? They may be able to straighten it out. Then you can rivet it back on. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:30 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I don't know what you call it exactly, but does anyone sell replacements for the brass ball holder that is riveted to a cygnet horn? If so, how do you go about replacing it? Mine was torn up by someone trying
Re: [Phono-L] Rub n' Buff Metallic Finishes
Stitt Good luck. Mike Stitt On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: It was probably a riveting tool with a long reach. You could pop rivet them but that would not look quite right from the inside. Anyone else know more about riveting? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I've been afraid to remove the rivets, since I don't know what method they used originally to put the rivets in without distorting the horn... any ideas? From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:00:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Have you tried drilling out the rivets and taking the part to a musical Instrument repair shop? They may be able to straighten it out. Then you can rivet it back on. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:30 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I don't know what you call it exactly, but does anyone sell replacements for the brass ball holder that is riveted to a cygnet horn? If so, how do you go about replacing it? Mine was torn up by someone trying to replace the ball. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rub n' Buff Metallic Finishes
just long enough so when you bolt it together the screw should not extend past the thin nut. Using brass you can fill the slotted head in with solder. Either use rub n buff or just black model paint. It is un-doable if need be and will look better than you think. Mike Stitt Good luck. Mike Stitt On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: It was probably a riveting tool with a long reach. You could pop rivet them but that would not look quite right from the inside. Anyone else know more about riveting? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I've been afraid to remove the rivets, since I don't know what method they used originally to put the rivets in without distorting the horn... any ideas? From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:00:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Have you tried drilling out the rivets and taking the part to a musical Instrument repair shop? They may be able to straighten it out. Then you can rivet it back on. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:30 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I don't know what you call it exactly, but does anyone sell replacements for the brass ball holder that is riveted to a cygnet horn? If so, how do you go about replacing it? Mine was torn up by someone trying to replace the ball. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored?
I love original, but that being said, I really get a positive vibe from taking something that looks ready for the junkyard and preserving it for posterity... You never want to mess with a machine that appears original, working properly, etc. except maybe for some cosmetic issues. Two examples of necessary restoration: I bought an H19 Edison, which I hate the style of, just because it was sitting in an antiques shop for $60, with a grill broken into pieces like a puzzle and a huge oil stain on the top - but exceptional wood grain showing below. I spent hours on it and put the grill back together by first gluing the pieces to a heavy file folder, then cutting out the openings with an exacto and filling in the cracks with bondo. When I was through, I took it to a collector friend who told me it was the best H19 grill he had seen in 40 yrs. The point is, I got something out of fixing it and then got rid of it to a new owner who was very happy to have it. It wasn't about money, because I spent way more time than the machine was worth, but I learned some valuable restoration methods. I also replaced a leg on a sad Aberola 75 which had fallen off a truck and broke a front leg. Someone had nailed and Elmer glued it back together and it looked like s**t. It is very hard to remove a front leg on an Edison because of the way it was built with pegs into the frame. A thin kerfed hand saw did the trick for removing it and I made a copy from a leg off a derelict no name phonograph. When done, you couldn't tell that it was replaced. Two mediocre machines were restored for new owners, but the education was well worth it for me. From: glast...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:04:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored? I am a great believer in originality. I'd rather wait and find a nicely preserved machine than one that has been restored to brand new. Granted, some machines are basket cases and have to be fully restored, but I've seen too many perfectly decent machines given the twice over too many times. A good friend of mine once said that he likes his machines to be in the condition that the original owner would have been happy with if it were ten years old. Best to all - Original Message - From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:06 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Original or restored? I have always believed in keeping my phonographs in as close to original condition as is possible. Fixing them, but not stripping and restoring them. I'm just curious... Is that the norm with most collectors on this group or do you like to restore them to look like new? Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC
I made a video presentation of Charles' collection a year or so ago and thought I would share the link for anyone interested. I have also included the links to two other videos that I put on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/CAFS28078 http://www.youtube.com/user/CAFS28078#p/a/u/2/d71D1CDrrc4 (Old Phonograph Heaven) http://www.youtube.com/user/CAFS28078#p/a/u/1/oNz6C2gtJDk (Blame It On The Static Strut) http://www.youtube.com/user/CAFS28078#p/a/u/0/49dOfLOCou8 (Mont St Michel, Normandy, France) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC
I'm not sure of the actual movie title - the main actor is a German silent film star... can't recall his name, but I will see if I have it. Curt From: srsel...@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:36:16 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC The Blame it on the Static one is GREAT! Do you know original title of film it came from? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC - way off topic
Correction: the main star was a French silent movie star with a very tragic life - Max Linder. If you are interested, here is a link to his biography: http://www.cyranos.ch/linder-e.htm From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:17:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC I'm not sure of the actual movie title - the main actor is a German silent film star... can't recall his name, but I will see if I have it. Curt From: srsel...@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:36:16 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC The Blame it on the Static one is GREAT! Do you know original title of film it came from? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC
Thanks for the compliment. I wish I had taken the pics with my SLR, but they still turned out OK. From: dynawh...@shaw.ca Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:28:54 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC Just wanted to say your photography in Normandy is outstanding!! Jan On 2010-11-14, at 5:10 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I made a video presentation of Charles' collection a year or so ago and thought I would share the link for anyone interested. I have also included the links to two other videos that I put on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/CAFS28078 http://www.youtube.com/user/CAFS28078#p/a/u/2/d71D1CDrrc4 (Old Phonograph Heaven) http://www.youtube.com/user/CAFS28078#p/a/u/1/oNz6C2gtJDk (Blame It On The Static Strut) http://www.youtube.com/user/CAFS28078#p/a/u/0/49dOfLOCou8 (Mont St Michel, Normandy, France) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Share Your Favorit Phonograph Links, Videos and Sound Files Here
Hey guys, Take a look at our phono links and videos. Of particular interest are two videos - The SanFilippo Estate and Charley Hummel - also a pic of the world's largest outside horn phonograph... http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10439151962#!/pages/Carolina-Antique-Music-Phonograph-Society/130658956974008 Please feel free to contribute any web links, videos, etc. and pass the word. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Share Your Favorit Phonograph Links, Videos and Sound Files Here
Favorite From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:00:26 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Share Your Favorit Phonograph Links, Videos and Sound Files Here Hey guys, Take a look at our phono links and videos. Of particular interest are two videos - The SanFilippo Estate and Charley Hummel - also a pic of the world's largest outside horn phonograph... http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10439151962#!/pages/Carolina-Antique-Music-Phonograph-Society/130658956974008 Please feel free to contribute any web links, videos, etc. and pass the word. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Way OFF Topic - Read Only If You Are A Computer Nerd
I found a website a year or so ago, that I think is great... They allow software companies to give away their products for review absolutely FREE. You have to look regularly to find useful software, but it is commercial quality and the price is right... http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/ Sorry for the off topic insertion, but I thought it might benefit someone. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC (2nd try)
That's a great video immortalizing a wonderful collection. It makes you wonder where all of that stuff is today? Maybe it's just me, but when I look at my phonographs, I can't help but think of all of their previous owners and how they all enjoyed listening to them. Someone bought each one of them new and now I own them or should I say, just look after them - until the next owner comes along... a never ending cycle. Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:01:48 +0100 From: phonol...@cylinder.de To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC (2nd try) Indeed, a great video, thanks for posting! Yes, Dave's collection was amazing. The quality of the display of the various machines outclassed mostly any other museum. My first and, through lack of time, regrettably last visit was in April 1999 where I gladly took my video camera with me. Most of the collectors are likely aware of that video since it is online for more than three years now. We were a small group, I don't recall the people but Ron Dethlefson was there and it was my first visit to a collection of anything near that size. So, I was more wandering and cared less about making a really good video. Nevertheless I am happy to have it now. At time code 3:45 you can see Dave demonstrating a fire alarm clock from the Victor factory, than a another snippet of showing us his Auxetophone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpqk-LMOF2M Best, Norman On 14.11.2010 21:23, john robles wrote: Wow, what a fantastic tour!! I have a video that I recorded when I visited Dave Heitz back in 1991. He used to open the barn where he had most of his collection up to people to come visit, but it was usually closed at some parts of the year. In March of 1991 I turned 30, and a mutual friend called to see if he'd open up for us as a birthday treat for me. Generously, he did, so three fiends and I went visiting. He allowed me to record his collection with the condition that he not be in the video and that he didn't want to see it on TV or anything at the time. I will never forget his generosity in doing that for me. He also sold me some great records for what I considered bargain prices. He was a nice man. John Robles --- On Sun, 11/14/10, Jack Whelanjackwhe...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Jack Whelanjackwhe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC To: Phono-Lphono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 11:32 AM Hi Gang, Here's another link to a video/photo from a visit to our good friend and phono-expert Charles McCarn, from a few years ago. This is a Windows Media Video .wmv file which should automatically start. http://phonojack.com/gallery/CharlesMcCarns.wmv Have fun, Jack Whelan PhonoJack.com From: vinyl.visi...@live.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Sent from my Thunderbird OpenSource Mail Client ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds like a domain from San Francisco... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how he became interested in phonographs. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was worried... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html Hello John, This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked? John --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM burdettewalt...@yahoo.com webmas...@misteropera.com http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes). I would appreciate the E-mail contact address to inquire about cost and availability. If no E-mail info, any other type would work. Again, thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
Now I see it's from Germany, which makes more sense, since Germans have a strange way of twisting words, for example: children's candy called Crack Sticks - I wouldn't let my kid come home with anything called crack... :) From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:15:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds like a domain from San Francisco... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how he became interested in phonographs. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was worried... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html Hello John, This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked? John --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM burdettewalt...@yahoo.com webmas...@misteropera.com http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes). I would appreciate the E-mail contact address to inquire about cost and availability. If no E-mail info, any other type would work. Again, thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
At first, I wasn't as curious as you, to Google it... but now I'm really sorry that I did. If this domain name was bought innocently, I would dump it. I think I would try: www.mr-opera-phonograph-preview.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:43:26 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested If you google that domain name you do get a large number of predictable results, including at least one that seems to reference the site. This is unfortunate or worse, in my opinion. If that is what one is into, one should at least be discreet about it. On 11/18/2010 10:15 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds like a domain from San Francisco... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how he became interested in phonographs. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was worried... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven Medvedsteve_nor...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html Hello John, This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked? John --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM burdettewalt...@yahoo.com webmas...@misteropera.com http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes). I would appreciate the E-mail contact address to inquire about cost and availability. If no E-mail info, any other type would work. Again, thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
Oh, you discovered my kinky side... vinyl visions is phono related. Vogue records - Victor Picture Discs: vinyl visions From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:59:21 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Heaven help any German San Franciscans. Now Vinyl Visions, on the other hand, is apparently a purveyor of great skintight bondage wear and the like. Forgive me for being insensitive, of course, but don't forget the lube! On Nov 18, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: Now I see it's from Germany, which makes more sense, since Germans have a strange way of twisting words, for example: children's candy called Crack Sticks - I wouldn't let my kid come home with anything called crack... :) From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:15:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds like a domain from San Francisco... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how he became interested in phonographs. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was worried... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html Hello John, This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked? John --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM burdettewalt...@yahoo.com webmas...@misteropera.com http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes). I would appreciate the E-mail contact address to inquire about cost and availability. If no E-mail info, any other type would work. Again, thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
Shellac Pictures or Shellac Visions, just didn't have the same appeal... From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:03:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Oh, you discovered my kinky side... vinyl visions is phono related. Vogue records - Victor Picture Discs: vinyl visions From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:59:21 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Heaven help any German San Franciscans. Now Vinyl Visions, on the other hand, is apparently a purveyor of great skintight bondage wear and the like. Forgive me for being insensitive, of course, but don't forget the lube! On Nov 18, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: Now I see it's from Germany, which makes more sense, since Germans have a strange way of twisting words, for example: children's candy called Crack Sticks - I wouldn't let my kid come home with anything called crack... :) From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:15:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds like a domain from San Francisco... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how he became interested in phonographs. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was worried... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html Hello John, This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked? John --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM burdettewalt...@yahoo.com webmas...@misteropera.com http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes). I would appreciate the E-mail contact address to inquire about cost and availability. If no E-mail info, any other type would work. Again, thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs
All kidding aside, does anyone have any idea how many Victor Picture Discs were made? I recently picked up Paul Whiteman's - A Night At The Biltmore and can't find out much about it. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:09:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Shellac Pictures or Shellac Visions, just didn't have the same appeal... From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:03:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Oh, you discovered my kinky side... vinyl visions is phono related. Vogue records - Victor Picture Discs: vinyl visions From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:59:21 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Heaven help any German San Franciscans. Now Vinyl Visions, on the other hand, is apparently a purveyor of great skintight bondage wear and the like. Forgive me for being insensitive, of course, but don't forget the lube! On Nov 18, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: Now I see it's from Germany, which makes more sense, since Germans have a strange way of twisting words, for example: children's candy called Crack Sticks - I wouldn't let my kid come home with anything called crack... :) From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:15:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds like a domain from San Francisco... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how he became interested in phonographs. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was worried... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html Hello John, This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked? John --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM burdettewalt...@yahoo.com webmas...@misteropera.com http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes). I would appreciate the E-mail contact address to inquire about cost and availability. If no E-mail info, any other type would work. Again, thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs
The children were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of vinyl danced in their heads... From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:13:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs All kidding aside, does anyone have any idea how many Victor Picture Discs were made? I recently picked up Paul Whiteman's - A Night At The Biltmore and can't find out much about it. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:09:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Shellac Pictures or Shellac Visions, just didn't have the same appeal... From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:03:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Oh, you discovered my kinky side... vinyl visions is phono related. Vogue records - Victor Picture Discs: vinyl visions From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:59:21 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Heaven help any German San Franciscans. Now Vinyl Visions, on the other hand, is apparently a purveyor of great skintight bondage wear and the like. Forgive me for being insensitive, of course, but don't forget the lube! On Nov 18, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: Now I see it's from Germany, which makes more sense, since Germans have a strange way of twisting words, for example: children's candy called Crack Sticks - I wouldn't let my kid come home with anything called crack... :) From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:15:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds like a domain from San Francisco... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how he became interested in phonographs. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was worried... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html Hello John, This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked? John --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM burdettewalt...@yahoo.com webmas...@misteropera.com http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes). I would appreciate the E-mail contact address to inquire about cost and availability. If no E-mail info, any other type would work. Again, thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono
Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
vorschau means preview in German Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:16:14 -0600 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested It is a redirect. http://www.teen-boy-vorschau.com/ is the same place on the web. On 11/18/2010 10:00 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: At first, I wasn't as curious as you, to Google it... but now I'm really sorry that I did. If this domain name was bought innocently, I would dump it. I think I would try: www.mr-opera-phonograph-preview.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:43:26 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested If you google that domain name you do get a large number of predictable results, including at least one that seems to reference the site. This is unfortunate or worse, in my opinion. If that is what one is into, one should at least be discreet about it. On 11/18/2010 10:15 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds like a domain from San Francisco... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how he became interested in phonographs. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was worried... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven Medvedsteve_nor...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html Hello John, This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked? John --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM burdettewalt...@yahoo.com webmas...@misteropera.com http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes). I would appreciate the E-mail contact address to inquire about cost and availability. If no E-mail info, any other type would work. Again, thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs
How do you get one and how much is it? From: srsel...@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:07:23 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs In a message dated 11/18/2010 10:17:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: All kidding aside, does anyone have any idea how many Victor Picture Discs were made? I recently picked up Paul Whiteman's - A Night At The Biltmore and can't find out much about it. In the next few weeks Mike Sherman's new UPDATED and Expanded Victor Label book will be out and I know ALL will be listed and probably illustrated too. I saw the advance mockup two weeks ago. It's GORGEOUS! He and Kurt Nauck are putting it out. Waiting for my copy which should be here shortly. Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] They were so dumb back in the old days...
I want #4, the Mikiphones and that odd #9... From: phonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:39:07 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] They were so dumb back in the old days... Hi Everyone: I thought that you might find this interesting. I think some of us might beg to differ with the enlightened individual who compiled this information! http://gizmodo.com/5693911/12-mildly-ridiculous-portable-record-players?skyline=trues=i Don Henry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records
I tried to find it on 78rpm.com, but can't find the link. Where did you order yours and how much? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:38:37 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records Be jealous - he's doing a book signing at the GSPS December meeting at the Corbett's. Can't wait. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: gpaul2...@aol.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:55:03 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records I received my copy a few days ago, and it's fabulous. The labels are eye-popping, and there's a ton of information, including a very thorough exploration of Berliner records and the birth of American Zonophone. Picture discs, personality recordings, test pressings, pattern labels that never made it to production... The book is simply indispensable if you have even a passing interest in Victor records. Really - a superb job. George P. -Original Message- From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 3:28 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records As Steve said, it is now available. I picked up copies from the printer in Boston last week, and the book is fabulous. Here is the brochure blurb: The Collector's Guide to Victor Records (2nd Edition) by Michael Sherman w/Kurt Nauck 7 x 10, 288 pp with 850 full color illustrations With roots extending all the way back to the birth of the disc recording industry, Victor reigned supreme throughout the 78 rpm era. Herein lies the story of Victor's standard-catalog 78 rpm record label, traced from Berliner (its predecessor) to the demise of the 78 rpm format. All four of Victors standard label colors (Black, Red, Blue Purple) are documented in detail along with all changes made to the Victor label throughout its 60 year run. The second section of the book highlights many of the notable singers, personalities and world leaders who recorded for Victor, leaving a priceless, treasured legacy for future generations. Included are such luminaries as Enrico Caruso, Leopold Stokowski, Will Rogers, Nellie Melba, King George V, Charles Lindbergh, Theodore Roosevelt, Harry Lauder, Adelina Patti, Amos Andy, Robert Peary and dozens of others. The Victor Talking Machine Company (later RCA Victor) produced countless recordings outside their normal domestic catalog issues. The third section features ethnic recordings, imports, picture discs, puzzle records, subsidiary labels such as Bluebird and Zonophone, contract pressings, pattern labels, long-playing Program Transcriptions, vanity issues, childrens records, test pressings, radio transcriptions, demo records, soundtrack discs, client labels, in-house recordings and sample pressings. There's even a page devoted to errors and imitation records! The fourth section includes pictures of record sleeves, company catalogs, supplements and other Victor publications in addition to record release charts, rarity guides and a comprehensive bibliography and index. One would expect a compendium such as this to be dull and lifeless, but Sherman and Nauck's engaging style, attention to detail and brilliant label images make the story come alive. The entire book is profusely illustrated in resplendent full-color, and will be equally at home on the coffee table or the reference shelf. No archive or serious collector should be without it. $39 Softcover or $60 Hardback (Limited Edition of 500, signed numbered) Add $5 for shipping; check, credit card and paypal accepted. You may order from Nauck's Vintage Records, na...@78rpm.com And yes, all the Victor picture records are listed and shown, including one or two you have never seen before! Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, TX 77389 Website: www.78rpm.com E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com www.newpledge.org www.mdada.org Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs
I actually found two in the same week! The first was one that a collector friend had. He told me he would sell it, then changed his mind... it had a small bite out of the edge anyway, but I have always wanted that record and never thought I would find one. Needless to say, I was disappointed at not getting it. I just happened to type the title into eBay and voila - a listing for A night at the Biltmore and in perfect condition. Luckily, my bid was the highest, as not many people were watching and bidding - just luck. Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:11:00 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs Wow what a find. the ultimate rarity of records from that era !! One usually does not just pick up that record somewhere how on earth did you find it? - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:13:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs All kidding aside, does anyone have any idea how many Victor Picture Discs were made? I recently picked up Paul Whiteman's - A Night At The Biltmore and can't find out much about it. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:09:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Shellac Pictures or Shellac Visions, just didn't have the same appeal... From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:03:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Oh, you discovered my kinky side... vinyl visions is phono related. Vogue records - Victor Picture Discs: vinyl visions From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:59:21 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Heaven help any German San Franciscans. Now Vinyl Visions, on the other hand, is apparently a purveyor of great skintight bondage wear and the like. Forgive me for being insensitive, of course, but don't forget the lube! On Nov 18, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: Now I see it's from Germany, which makes more sense, since Germans have a strange way of twisting words, for example: children's candy called Crack Sticks - I wouldn't let my kid come home with anything called crack... :) From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:15:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds like a domain from San Francisco... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how he became interested in phonographs. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was worried... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html Hello John, This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked? John --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM burdettewalt...@yahoo.com webmas...@misteropera.com http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes
Re: [Phono-L] How to order the Collector's Guide to Victor Records
Thanks for the info. I linked your website to the Carolina Antique Music Phonograph Society Facebook page. From: jackwhe...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 02:15:49 + Subject: [Phono-L] How to order the Collector's Guide to Victor Records It easy, to order the Collector's Guide to Victor Records, Just go to www.PayPal.com and send money to na...@78rpm.com This is Kurt's business account. Fill in the message field stating you want to buy the hard cover or soft cover version of the book and add the $5.00 freight charge. Jack Whelan www.PhonoJack.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine
I bought this machine two years ago and just wondered if anyone knows what model it is and timeframe of manufacture. It plays both standard size and salon size cylinders. It is in fabulous condition, the picture makes it look like it has a square spot on the front. That is the original decal and the finish is almost perfect. I bought it because of the unusual horn carriage and the fact that the works flip over and store inside the box, which then looks like a jewelry box with a brass handle on top. Here is the picture: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=170190476338923saved#!/photo.php?fbid=130673463639224set=a.130672523639318.12387.130658956974008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine
Thanks for the info, John. Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 02:54:09 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine The Coq was an earlier machine modeled after the Columbia Eagle, but it was later put into the reversible case and became known as the reversible Coq. After that it became the Pathe No. 1. John --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com wrote: From: Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:44 PM Looks like my Pathe Coq phono. Very cool machine. -Barry On 11/20/2010 10:10 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I bought this machine two years ago and just wondered if anyone knows what model it is and timeframe of manufacture. It plays both standard size and salon size cylinders. It is in fabulous condition, the picture makes it look like it has a square spot on the front. That is the original decal and the finish is almost perfect. I bought it because of the unusual horn carriage and the fact that the works flip over and store inside the box, which then looks like a jewelry box with a brass handle on top. Here is the picture: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=170190476338923saved#!/photo.php?fbid=130673463639224set=a.130672523639318.12387.130658956974008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Auction Exchange News - Stanton Auction
I just posted this on our Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10439151962#!/pages/Carolina-Antique-Music-Phonograph-Society/130658956974008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910...
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Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910...
It's not spam, Loran... I thought readers other than yourself, might be interested in a PHONOGRAPH RELATED very interesting article about a unique phonograph service. It just happens to be posted on the Carolina Antique Music Phonograph Society Facebook page. If you don't want to read it or look at it you have a DELETE key on your computer. From: lo...@oldcrank.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:08:52 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... Please refrain from posting Facebook spam here. Thanks, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910...
Here is the correct link - the article is about four down from the top under Popular Mechanics: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10439151962#!/pages/Carolina-Antique-Music-Phonograph-Society/130658956974008 From: dynawh...@shaw.ca Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 05:53:10 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... For me,and probably for Loran too, one link brought up the facebook page of some exotic looking woman. Jan On 2010-11-22, at 5:30 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: It's not spam, Loran... I thought readers other than yourself, might be interested in a PHONOGRAPH RELATED very interesting article about a unique phonograph service. It just happens to be posted on the Carolina Antique Music Phonograph Society Facebook page. If you don't want to read it or look at it you have a DELETE key on your computer. From: lo...@oldcrank.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:08:52 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... Please refrain from posting Facebook spam here. Thanks, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910...
Hi Jan, I don't know of any exotic women on our page, but I checked it out and was disappointed to find only phonograph stuff... :) From: dynawh...@shaw.ca Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 05:53:10 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... For me,and probably for Loran too, one link brought up the facebook page of some exotic looking woman. Jan On 2010-11-22, at 5:30 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: It's not spam, Loran... I thought readers other than yourself, might be interested in a PHONOGRAPH RELATED very interesting article about a unique phonograph service. It just happens to be posted on the Carolina Antique Music Phonograph Society Facebook page. If you don't want to read it or look at it you have a DELETE key on your computer. From: lo...@oldcrank.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:08:52 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... Please refrain from posting Facebook spam here. Thanks, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910...
Hi Loran, Sorry about the link not working correctly. I am aware that you are the list owner... you were just sounding Old and Cranky. By the way, I put a link to your website on our Facebook page. This page is not a spamming tool nor a competing replacement for your list, it is meant to be a resource for anyone who shares an interest in our hobby. I think it's important to promote an interest in the history of recorded music to the newer generations that think it all started with an iPod. I chose Facebook particularly, since there are over half a billion Facebook subscribers, which presents an enormous potential to generate new interest in phonographs, music, etc. Without generating new interest, our hobby becomes an elitist, good ole boy network that will go away when we do... You can only sell your stuff so many times among the same group of existing collectors and there definitely comes a time for all of us to part with the stuff we are temporarily borrowing while we are passing through this life. Curt Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:17:57 -0800 From: lo...@oldcrank.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... 1. Please check out the link as it came through in the archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg10459.html 2. I'm well aware of the awesomeness of the DELETE key. I'm willing to wager that my delete key is bigger than yours, as I am the list owner. Thanks, Loran On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: It's not spam, Loran... I thought readers other than yourself, might be interested in a PHONOGRAPH RELATED very interesting article about a unique phonograph service. It just happens to be posted on the Carolina Antique Music Phonograph Society Facebook page. If you don't want to read it or look at it you have a DELETE key on your computer. From: lo...@oldcrank.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:08:52 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... Please refrain from posting Facebook spam here. Thanks, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Auction Exchange News - Stanton Auction
Hi Ray, Here is the link: http://www.eauctionexchange.com/ From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:52:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Auction Exchange News - Stanton Auction I would like to read the article about the Stanton Auction, but it is unavailable to me since I am not signed up for facebook, and don't want to be. Couldn't people just post on phono-l and forget about facebook? Ray - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Auction Exchange News - Stanton Auction I just posted this on our Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10439151962#!/pages/Carolina-Antique-Music-Phonograph-Society/130658956974008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910...
OK... Loran I apologize for the attitude. I'm kind of old and cranky myself and lately it just comes out for no apparent reason. I really am sorry for being rude. Curt Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:21:04 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... Sorry to kinda go off topic but Loran is a very good friend and of course we are just having fun. I might add that I always take beer over to his house when visiting for obvious reasons. Well that isn't the whole truth. I always ask what his supply looks like and if good I just drink his beer. This saves me money. Btw the beer story has roots in Brice Paris. He tells me if I drink two, I get a personality. Mike Oldcranky On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.comwrote: Lol, I was just thinking that. Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:53:18 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... Can we keep this on a even keel. I am oldcranky. Steven is right. In fact oldcranky.com Loran on the other hand is old and cranky. I know him well, I know this to be true. Mike Oldcranky. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM, phonofo...@aol.com wrote: Loran was not sounding old and cranky; he was only expressing a concern based on what he saw on line and what harm it could do in causing viruses. So it appears you are only apologizing for the link not working correctly but not apologizing in regards to your attitude towards Loran which was uncalled for. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:35 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... i Loran, orry about the link not working correctly. I am aware that you are the list wner... you were just sounding Old and Cranky. y the way, I put a link to your website on our Facebook page. This page is not spamming tool nor a competing replacement for your list, it is meant to be a esource for anyone who shares an interest in our hobby. I think it's important o promote an interest in the history of recorded music to the newer generations hat think it all started with an iPod. I chose Facebook particularly, since here are over half a billion Facebook subscribers, which presents an enormous otential to generate new interest in phonographs, music, etc. Without enerating new interest, our hobby becomes an elitist, good ole boy network that ill go away when we do... You can only sell your stuff so many times among the ame group of existing collectors and there definitely comes a time for all of s to part with the stuff we are temporarily borrowing while we are passing hrough this life. urt Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:17:57 -0800 From: lo...@oldcrank.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this honograph service from 1910... 1. Please check out the link as it came through in the archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg10459.html 2. I'm well aware of the awesomeness of the DELETE key. I'm willing to wager that my delete key is bigger than yours, as I am the list owner. Thanks, Loran On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: It's not spam, Loran... I thought readers other than yourself, might be nterested in a PHONOGRAPH RELATED very interesting article about a unique honograph service. It just happens to be posted on the Carolina Antique Music honograph Society Facebook page. If you don't want to read it or look at it you ave a DELETE key on your computer. From: lo...@oldcrank.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:08:52 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out his phonograph service from 1910... Please refrain from posting Facebook spam here. Thanks, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Thomas Edison - der henker (executioner)???
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Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture?
What's wrong with the price, Harvey??? After all it is a rare, unusual, one of a kind Edison Victrola cylinder player that uses needles... bet you don't have one in your collection. ;) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:09:52 -0800 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? Besides the needle cups, how about the price? Hee Hee Hee! From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 6:27:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? Also, the gear cover is gone. This is an Amberola VI A mech..probably screams like a banshee!! -Original Message- From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 19:31:50 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? I happened to see this last night, and almost choked on my cocoa. The NEEDLE CUPS on a cylinder machine should set off the first alarm. It is an Amberola mechanism shoved into a chopped-down, cheapo disc cabinet. Gross-buckets, as they used to say in Bloom County. . Maybe the machinery is worth something, but who has empty Amberola cabinets laying around? They shoulda stuck it in a crate claimed it's a rare Mission style Amberola IV! (One of which is pictured in a Buffalo music shop. I wonder where that one went) - Original Message - From: Graham Newton g...@audio-restoration.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture? On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 00:23:14 -0800 (PST) john robles john9...@pacbell.net said... More ebay follies, folks, This is laughable. Number is 250728912186. Hello John and all... Now I admit I don't know beans about cylinder phonos, or acoustic phonos in general, and I must be particularly thick, but I looked at this listing and it looked OK to me... even the close-up picture of the serial number plate. What did I miss... something serious? ... Graham Newton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196
Probably, the reason for that (no responses) is because most of us run into this Frankenphone type of stuff regularly from antique dealers, sellers on eBay, etc. and find it humorous. Molding records and adjusting class M machines are interesting posts to read about, but most of us probably don't deal with these record molding issues on a daily basis and most of us don't have class M's or at least I don't. Please don't take this in the wrong way, it's not criticism, just reality. And in this age of weird reality, a little humor goes a long way to maintain a little sanity. From: edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:55:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196 I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Carolina Antique Music Phonograph Show March 2011
Official Date For Carolina Antique Music Phonograph Show: Saturday March 19, 2011 - 8:30AM until ? Memory Lane Antique Automobile Museum, Hwy 150, Mooresville, NC Hope to see you there. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Future travel
Don't know of any phonograph collectors in Prague, but travelled there two years ago and it was beautiful. You will have a wonderful time. Curt From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 01:36:01 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Future travel Just thought I'd ask if anyone had any phono contacts in Prague or the Czech Republic. We're planning a trip there this spring and I always like to look up interested phono people. You can post information here or to my email address: _aph4...@aol.com_ (mailto:aph4...@aol.com) . Thanks, Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Future travel
You might want to contact Charley Hummell, since he regularly attends phonograph shows in Europe and know many collectors there. His email is: (no spam)edison...@aol.com - remove (no spam) before sending. From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 01:36:01 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Future travel Just thought I'd ask if anyone had any phono contacts in Prague or the Czech Republic. We're planning a trip there this spring and I always like to look up interested phono people. You can post information here or to my email address: _aph4...@aol.com_ (mailto:aph4...@aol.com) . Thanks, Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Horse Race Puzzle Record
I just bought what I think is a puzzle record. It is a horse race record - Which One Wins? Phono-Finish Horse Race - Mysterious and Exciting by Mason Williams Co., Chicago - 1945. I don't have it yet, and have not heard it. Does anyone know how many different endings there are and if this is actually what I think it is? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Horse Race Puzzle Record
I wasn't sure what it was, since there was no information about the record from the seller and I have never seen one of these. The listing was very vague and if you did not look at the picture of the label, you would have no idea of what it was. I was reading the information from the label, which made me believe that it was a puzzle record with different endings. It sounds like it's the same or similar to yours. From: esrobe...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:19:34 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Horse Race Puzzle Record I have one from Australia from around that time, 12 78rpm, that has 6 outcomes per side. What do you think it is? Best, R. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 23:23:38 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Horse Race Puzzle Record I just bought what I think is a puzzle record. It is a horse race record - Which One Wins? Phono-Finish Horse Race - Mysterious and Exciting by Mason Williams Co., Chicago - 1945. I don't have it yet, and have not heard it. Does anyone know how many different endings there are and if this is actually what I think it is? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Prague
Here's the link to their website: http://www.gramofony.cz/ They appear to have some very cool machines and the website has a photo gallery. Don't try to read the captions... ;) From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:58:57 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Prague Thanks Trygve, I did get your first message and will be sure to look up that phono museum in Prague. Best---Art ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON
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Re: [Phono-L] uneven turntable, or is it the spindle? Is this fixable?
You might try this, as it has worked for me: Rotate the turntable and find the low point - GENTLY but firmly raise up on the turntable from the low point and see if it straightens out. Just a thought... Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:13:01 +1300 From: slowp...@clear.net.nz To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] uneven turntable, or is it the spindle? Is this fixable? Plenty of action as always on this site! Now I have an uneven turntable that obviously will cause dragg let alone strain on the spring. The spindle must be slightly bent. Is this fixable, and I suppose it is? Your commments please?Also would like to hear from folk with variatons on a Columbia Disc phonograph that I have, model AK. Look forward to all correspondence. slowp...@clear.net.nz Mark Dawson NZ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] eBay Seller ID
LOL... here is an example of how using a seller ID in one country, translates slightly differently in another: http://cgi.ebay.de/Grammophon-Schellackplatten-Nadeln-Dose-/330507086721?pt=Radio_TV_Musikhash=item4cf3c1eb81 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] CAMPS Spring Phonograph Show/Sale - Mooresville, NC
It's official: CAMPS Annual Spring Phonograph Show Sale will take place on March 19, 2011 at the same location as last year - Memory Lane Museum, Mooresville, NC. Check our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com or our Facebook page for complete details. eMail for more information: (noSpam)i...@carolinaphonosociety.com Remove noSpam before sending... Hope to see you there... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Duplicate Messages
Ditto... Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:56:21 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Duplicate Messages Loran, this board is such an important resource and such a good source of amusement and education that I don't think there is anything you would have to ask our patience and understanding for! We appreciate your hard work keeping this resource so trouble free! John Robles --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com Subject: [Phono-L] Duplicate Messages To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 10:11 AM You may be seeing a bunch of duplicate messages this morning. Unfortunately, one of the Phono-L mail server databases got corrupted yesterday afternoon. I rebuilt the database this morning, so now it seems everything is up and running again. Thanks for your patience and understanding! Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
No Dave, his previous ads did not mention anything about paper stickers, which is why PayPal refunded my money. He actually ran several auctions previous to the one that I bid on, with authentic rare tins, but they were always won by his friend... It was classic bait and switch. My point was, now he's being honest, after a few other problems with different buyers. He totally lost his eBay account because of fraud and now he is back, with a new name. Same stuff, but at least he's describing it honestly. I have bought a number of things from Germany and generally understand the German listings - if not, I always run them through Google translator. Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:54:58 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand? Dave --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
You are right about the translations... Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 04:27:51 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller I am sorry that you had a bad experience. Google or any other on line translator is better than nothing, but the translations are sometimes pretty odd themselves. Dave --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 9:10 PM No Dave, his previous ads did not mention anything about paper stickers, which is why PayPal refunded my money. He actually ran several auctions previous to the one that I bid on, with authentic rare tins, but they were always won by his friend... It was classic bait and switch. My point was, now he's being honest, after a few other problems with different buyers. He totally lost his eBay account because of fraud and now he is back, with a new name. Same stuff, but at least he's describing it honestly. I have bought a number of things from Germany and generally understand the German listings - if not, I always run them through Google translator. Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:54:58 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand? Dave --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records
All of that cataloguing sounds strangely like work... it's more fun to buy the same things over and over and over again... at least you know you like them and are consistent in your tastes and interests. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:28:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records Some years ago, I built a Paradox table of my Victor records. I listed them by catalogue number. The second column is the two titles, the third, the artist(s). Listing them by artist might have been a better setup, but listing by catalogue number has been good for my purpose. There will ultimately be one for Columbia, then Brunswick, Vocalion, etc. The major toil in this is the Victor listings for me. There are other databases that replace Paradox, but diong it again; I'd list the records the same way on any other program. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 12/13/2010 12:38:57 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records Are you using a particular software that's geared for cataloguing, or standard applications like Word or Excel? I think this may have been discussed on this forum before, but perhaps there are current favorite methods. Andy On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Dennis Back wrote: But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. I solved this problem by starting and keeping a data base of what I bought. With records, I list title and number. If I see something I might want in an auction, I just do a control F and it will find (or not find) the item in my data base. I know it's hard to go BACK and enter all your records and cylinders, but you can start now with new acquisitions. And you can keep a wanted list on the data base, too. When you find that item, just delete the word wanted and replace it with the date bought and price paid and then save it. . Works for me. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Proud new owner?
I wish I was, but not at that price... :) From: kb...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:57:19 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Proud new owner? The suspense is killing me. Is anyone on this list the proud new owner of Ebay item 280594550836? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy??
At least he appears to enjoy mechanical contraptions... isn't this what they refer to as Steam Punk? From: srsel...@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:35:31 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy?? This was shared on another newsgroup and I thought others might want to see it: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcfz3zt2DDo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcfz3zt2DDo) Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy??
Isn't this just a new take on a phonograph toy - like Rastus? From: srsel...@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:35:31 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy?? This was shared on another newsgroup and I thought others might want to see it: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcfz3zt2DDo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcfz3zt2DDo) Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Shawn Borri
Read about our fellow list member and his accomplishments here: http://www.peoriamagazines.com/as/2010/nov-dec/outside-box-inside-cylinder Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cal Stewart and Shawn Borri on Dr. Demento show.
Shawn, If you have CD's available, I would be interested. From: jnic...@fuse.net Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:49:01 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cal Stewart and Shawn Borri on Dr. Demento show. What? You have a Shawn Borri CD? I don't recall you ever mentioning that. How can I buy a copy? I heard you record a cylinder at Union once, and your Cal Stewart impersonation is uncanny! I bet others on this list would be interested in the CD. Jim Nichol On Dec 26, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: I found a playlist for Dr. Demento, and it had an original Cal Stewart, and also Uncle Josh Buys a Computer by Shawn Borri (me). I have not listended to Dr D in awhile, so I was really surpised to find me on here. http://dmdb.org/cgi-bin/plinfo.pl?drd10.1106.html I have not listened to the show, though, and wonder where he found this recording, it is very rare, I only made three cylinder copies, and it was only availble on the Shawn Borri Phonograph CD that sold no copies, on MP3.com, unless someone pirated this. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman
That's Irving's death photo... Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:45:45 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org CC: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27824/?co=ggbain Here is Irving Kaufman taking a snooze. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman
He definitely died from sleep apnea... :) From: tom...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:12:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman I think that he's having fun with us. The back of the sofa looks a little bit like a coffin lid with something draped over it. He is on his side sort of posing. :0) -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:06 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman Plus, Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. John Robles --- On Thu, 12/30/10, Michael and Suellen Funk fun...@comcast.net wrote: From: Michael and Suellen Funk fun...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 7:10 PM With such a tight grasp in his hand? - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman That's Irving's death photo... Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:45:45 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org CC: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27824/?co=ggbain Here is Irving Kaufman taking a snooze. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving%20Kaufman.jpg Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:01:46 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Right !! He must have had an excellent embalmer, or at least one with a good sense of humor !! - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 7:45:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
Hi John, Thanks for the compliment... :) Curt ps - I guess I do have a strange sense of humor... Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:30:29 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Pictures may not lie but people do! You're very clever and entertaining! John --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:45 PM From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
Hi Bruce, You can't trust Government websites... apparently this is a major coverup, since they doctored that photo. Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 02:42:38 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27824/?co=ggbain Quite so, heh heh - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:30:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Pictures may not lie but people do! You're very clever and entertaining! John --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:45 PM From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
No kidding... if I believed in conspiracy theories, I would suspect the Government of covering up Irving Kaufman's death. I searched all over the government sites and finally found the proof. Here is the REAL (Official) photo from their archives: http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/IrvingKaufman_Official.jpg I think someone needs to make a documentary or at least a reality TV show about this... From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:31:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo This is gettin' so deep, we'll need an end loader! [Original Message] From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 1/2/2011 10:02:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo I wasn't gonna bring it up, but I have it on good authority that Ada Jones ran a meth lab when she wasn't busy recording. Billy Murray was her delivery stooge. The real reason he had to get out and get under, get out and get under was to dodge the G-men's bullets. John Robles --- On Sun, 1/2/11, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 6:50 PM http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.26646/?co=ggbain Good Point, I wonder what Ada Jones was really cookin up in that frying pan. Bruce - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:47:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Hi Bruce, You can't trust Government websites... apparently this is a major coverup, since they doctored that photo. Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 02:42:38 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27824/?co=ggbain Quite so, heh heh - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:30:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Pictures may not lie but people do! You're very clever and entertaining! John --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:45 PM From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor R
If you go to a sporting store that sells guns and supplies, Super Blue (not Perma Blue) works great for oxidizing parts and no heating is necessary. It works great for aging back steel parts after cleaning off rust and buffing them. It also ages brass... Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 19:43:32 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor R Gosh am I in trouble. Brice and I did my R years ago. Brice used to be my paper boy (cute kid) after Jerry Blais quit the route. Well as I recall we started with the original copper base and heated it up and but brown gun bluing on it. After it dried we used an electric draftsman eraser to remove the brown bluing. It was an easy effect to reproduce. If you screw it up just add the brown back in...A Dremel should do the trick with a mild cutting rouge. Brice jump in here son The job was a lot of fun. After about 15-20 years you can hardly tell it wasn't factory. You could chuck a pencil in a drill..! MS On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.netwrote: Mike, Any suggestions on how to do it? Thanks, Ken -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Stitt Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 5:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor R It is not a hard finish to replicate and can be fun to do. Mike ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vic R
Is the gray part zinc? The horn for my R is tin and zinc and looks gray if scratched. Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 19:24:49 -0800 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vic R Dull gray? I'm almost as old as Mike Stitt and I've never seen a gray deck on an R. How long were they made that way? Anyone have a photo? Thanks, Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Human nature...
Not to wander too far off topic, but when I think of Luisa, I think of food... One of my favorites is chicken tetrazzini... From: jim...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:13:50 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Human nature... I have a Victrola XIV faintly autographed on the motorbord in white ink dated 1921 by Luisa Tetrazzini. Always assumed she signed this at some Victor dealer's. Its in storage now, so I can't quote exactly what was written. Some years ago Fred McCole offered me what he jokingly called an Amberola II - a I-A mechanism installed in a III case. (I think he may have intimated that he sold the original III mechanism to someone who was turning them into Operas. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 11-Jan-2011 11:00:37 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Human nature... Years ago I purchased a Victrola that was autographed by Louisa Tetrazzini. Next to the turntable, handwritten in white ink was Souvenir from Louisa Tetrazzini, April, 1923. Over the years I acquired other Tetrazzini items that were signed with the same signature and I'm reasonably sure that the Victrola autograph is genuine. But why did she sign the Victrola? I developed a romantic theory that she was in Portland, Oregon for a performance and instead of staying in one of the hotels, she stayed with a wealthy Portland family. As a courtesy for their hospitality, she signed their Victrola. I really wanted to believe my theory, right up to the moment that I saw another Victrola with the same inscription and same date! I had to face the fact that she must have signed several Victrolas, probably at a Victrola sales promotion for a large dealer. I really wanted to believe that my Victrola XVI was the only Tetrazzini Victrola. Then I saw a second and it was a XVII! * I know strange things happened but they were the exception. I've personally seen a Vernis Martin Victrola with an upside down decal. I was dumbfounded! With that said, I still think 99.99% (or more) of the big Amberolas left the factory with matching numbers. Those numbers were there for a reason. When an Edison was traded in, the number was recorded by the dealer. Stolen machines were identified by the serial numbers. I would not expect a dealer to swap a mechanism from one new machine to another but it was possible. Those machines are a century old and the original owners a long gone. Even a machine that has been in one family has gone through several family members and probably repairs. When those same machines started to be collectable I suspect first generation collectors upgraded mechanisms and cabinets until they were pleased and gave no thought to the serial numbers. I remember reading a modern collector statement that he was against swapping any mechanism or cabinet. I immediately realized that I had violated his ethical position by swapping out a very ordinary and dull works for a nicer one in my mahogany Edison Standard B. Even though the replacement mechanism was period correct, I had not even considered for one moment what I was doing something wrong. * I recently bought a NOS 1968 Sting-Ray Run-A-Bout from a man that was a dealer in the 60's and 70's. The bike was never sold until I bought it. I asked the seller if he would write a note on his old letterhead with a brief history of that bike. I was with my son, Tyler, and grandson, Wyatt. Tyler inquired why I asked for the note and I replied that providence of the bike was important. Wyatt asked what that meant and I replied that the note would show the history of the bike from the Schwinn factory to me. * If I were buying a big Amberola and questioned the seller why the numbers didn't match and his reply was it's always been that way... my grandfather bought it new..., that's really not providence. Too many things could have happened. I may really really want to believe it but my better judgement says otherwise. * I'll stop now or I'll need to get a title for this book. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Spelling Errors
No problem, Jerry. Spelling and the correct usage of English words are apparently outdated subjects, as witnessed by most of the internet. I recently went to look for some car parts and found what I was looking for under Break Parts. Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:03:47 -0800 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Spelling Errors I sent in a rather lengthy post about the importance of provenance and spelled it incorrectly. Thanks for all the gentle but not public corrections. In spite of my poor spelling, I hope my point was clear. We have a great hobby. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono adapter wanted
For $11 and a donor no-name reproducer, you can make one yourself. Remove the old diaphragm and needle bar and JB Weld this to the reproducer and Voila A Victor MP3 player. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Veho-Portable-Speaker-for-iPod-iPhone-MP3-VSS001360/14066650 From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:04:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono adapter wanted I made one of those up for myself. I call it the Orthophonicator . Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:27 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Phono adapter wanted Phono Folks: Sometime ago ( a long time ago) I had a discussion with a fellow, maybe from NY, who dealt in phonograph parts service etc. If my memory serves me correctly, his wife was named Judy? At any rate, He was manufacturing and selling a modified adaptor reproducer for Phonos which could be a replacement on the tone arm and be used as a sound driver from a walkman or tape recorder headphone out jack etc. As a result, you could play some of the reproduced classic jazz records using your Victor. Apparently, he molded a small speaker into the body of a reproducer as a sound source. Does anyone recollect this item or person? If so, I would like to obtain such an item for a victor . Again, thanks in advance for your assistance Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono adapter wanted
Better yet, don't use a reproducer, just a repro replacement rubber adapter for a Victor... From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:07:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono adapter wanted For $11 and a donor no-name reproducer, you can make one yourself. Remove the old diaphragm and needle bar and JB Weld this to the reproducer and Voila A Victor MP3 player. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Veho-Portable-Speaker-for-iPod-iPhone-MP3-VSS001360/14066650 From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:04:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono adapter wanted I made one of those up for myself. I call it the Orthophonicator . Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:27 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Phono adapter wanted Phono Folks: Sometime ago ( a long time ago) I had a discussion with a fellow, maybe from NY, who dealt in phonograph parts service etc. If my memory serves me correctly, his wife was named Judy? At any rate, He was manufacturing and selling a modified adaptor reproducer for Phonos which could be a replacement on the tone arm and be used as a sound driver from a walkman or tape recorder headphone out jack etc. As a result, you could play some of the reproduced classic jazz records using your Victor. Apparently, he molded a small speaker into the body of a reproducer as a sound source. Does anyone recollect this item or person? If so, I would like to obtain such an item for a victor . Again, thanks in advance for your assistance Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
Hi Ron, I think that there is some Nigerian prince that has one also... It's free - all you need to do is send him your checking account information, a VISA card number for reference and a certified check for the import duty of $350.00 (much cheaper than the guy in Italy) :) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:56:09 -0800 From: hexaph...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) Hi all. On one of the phonograph forums I had a Wanted notice indicating I was looking for a Victrola Orthophonic 8-9 motor. I received a response from a Brian Kidd. His email is bra...@blumail.org . This one has all the red flags waving. He keeps spelling his own name incorrectly for one. He is located in Italy and wants a money gram or western union payment and his pricing is way out of line i.e. not even reasonable. He wanted 690 euro or more than $900 for a motor of which, of course, he had in stock. Playing along, I asked for pictures. None have been provided (surprise). Anyone else familar with this individual? I would assume he is responding to other people looking for items. Just for a final amusement, I sent him an email stating I would most certainly send a western union for the full amount once I received the product. I am waiting for my reply. Beware. Ron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
Unfortunately, you are right... I have a client who was recently called on the telephone by a guy who claimed she had won the Publisher's Clearing House big prize. All she had to do was to meet the guy at the bank and pay him $500 for his commission and then he would give her the check. Fortunately, she did not bite, but who did??? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:13:29 -0800 From: hexaph...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) The sad thing is there probably are enough stupid Americans to provide these people an incentive. It also highlights the value of this list and the poeple on it. Having such a resource is invaluable. Ron --- On Fri, 1/14/11, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 2:53 PM Yes, in Nigeria you wear a badge of honor depending on how many stupid Americans you are able to swindle out of as much money as possible in these fraudulent schemes. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:16:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) Hi Ron, I think that there is some Nigerian prince that has one also... It's free - all you need to do is send him your checking account information, a VISA card number for reference and a certified check for the import duty of $350.00 (much cheaper than the guy in Italy) :) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:56:09 -0800 From: hexaphone @ sbcglobal .net To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Subject: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) Hi all. On one of the phonograph forums I had a Wanted notice indicating I was looking for a Victrola Orthophonic 8-9 motor. I received a response from a Brian Kidd. His email is brain1@ blumail .org . This one has all the red flags waving. He keeps spelling his own name incorrectly for one. He is located in Italy and wants a money gram or western union payment and his pricing is way out of line i.e. not even reasonable. He wanted 690 euro or more than $900 for a motor of which, of course, he had in stock. Playing along, I asked for pictures. None have been provided (surprise). Anyone else familar with this individual? I would assume he is responding to other people looking for items. Just for a final amusement, I sent him an email stating I would most certainly send a western union for the full amount once I received the product. I am waiting for my reply. Beware. Ron ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
Beware of Craigslist also... the old saying If it sounds too good to be true... You might find a bargain, but be careful. On that note, a collector from NC just found a Regina-Phone for $1,200, so you never know. Also, if you list on Craigslist - NEVER meet someone at your house - if you are going to meet, go to McDonald's or a public place. A friend of mine had a number of high end phonographs stolen from his home because of that. Fortunately, he got the NC SBI involved and they recovered all but one, just a day before they were leaving the country. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:05:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) Before eBay hid the buyers ID I bid on an Alva to see the final price and get photos. A man wrote and told me he had a number of Alvas in stock and would be happy to sell me one for $1500. Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:20:25 -0800 From: hexaph...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) I suspect the motor doesn't exist, thus I'd never get it. He keeps avoiding my request for a picture to validate whether it is a correct one. It seems there are scammers scouring the various boards on the net including phonograph forums. I prefer to keep to those I am familar with. Ron --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:49 PM Did you ever get the motor? Is it different from the usual spring motors for Victors of that period? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of hexaph...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:56 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) Hi all. On one of the phonograph forums I had a Wanted notice indicating I was looking for a Victrola Orthophonic 8-9 motor. I received a response from a Brian Kidd. His email is bra...@blumail.org . This one has all the red flags waving. He keeps spelling his own name incorrectly for one. He is located in Italy and wants a money gram or western union payment and his pricing is way out of line i.e. not even reasonable. He wanted 690 euro or more than $900 for a motor of which, of course, he had in stock. Playing along, I asked for pictures. None have been provided (surprise). Anyone else familar with this individual? I would assume he is responding to other people looking for items. Just for a final amusement, I sent him an email stating I would most certainly send a western union for the full amount once I received the product. I am waiting for my reply. Beware. Ron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] I am the Edison Phonograph
Thanks for the info, John. I have been wondering what the source of Vulcan cylinders is. I want one or more of them to play on my Columbia 2 minute machine and have heard that they are great quality. I just haven't been willing to pay the price asked by the dealer in Berlin. By the way, he does get some interesting phonograph stuff, including needle tins, etc., but his prices are usually at or near the top. I contacted Peter Dilg several months ago and he seemed to be very low on Wizard titles and wasn't sure when he would have I am the Edison phonograph available for sale... Curt Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 07:40:25 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I am the Edison Phonograph Come to think of it, they just called me because their reply to my email wasn't working properly. But you can request a call if you like. Remember they are 8 hours ahead of us. John --- On Sat, 1/15/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I am the Edison Phonograph To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:21 AM The Edison Advertising Record is available currently from Vulcan Cylinder Record Company in England. They produce several titles on both two and four minute formats and they are moulded in a resin that is far superior to the Electrophone products of the 1980s which shrink over time and become impossible to fit onto the mandrel. The 4 minute products can be played with either sapphire or diamond reproducers and they sound superb. Prices on two minute are $23.63 at current exchange rate and they accept credit cards. Minimum order is two cylinders. The boxes are really nice too! If you order by email, they will phone you to get your card number and confirm the order. Gwynn, who is the person I talk to most, is very helpful. They also make Concert size records and will be making 6 Columbia style cylinders as well. They are the company that manufactures the records for that dealer in Berlin. I higly recommend their products. You can reach them via their site at www.phonographcylinders.com/ I did an article on them for the GSPS newsletter. I guarantee you will love their products. And no, I am not a paid promoter, I am a satisfied customer! John Robles --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.net wrote: From: Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.net Subject: [Phono-L] I am the Edison Phonograph To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 5:52 AM I had a copy ( new copy ) of the cylinder I am the Edison Phonograph and can't find it now. I am giving my newly married nephew a Edison Fireside for their new home and would like to find out who it was I bought those copies from or who is making them so I can include it on their new phono. Thanks so much, Tim Gray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Travesty...
Nothing like some steel wool and maybe a little cleanser to really bring out the shine in gold leaf... :) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:58:42 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Travesty... Hey everyone! I went to buy some records locally that were being sold by the daugher of the man that owned them. He passed away 20 years ago and all has been in storage. The real story is that she had sold his phonographs a few years back, and one was a...well, she said there was this one Victrola that was all gold leafed.. I asked if it had paintings on the front and sides. She said it did. So it was a Vernis Martin...and she sold it to some guy for $7500.00. he flew to LA to see it, and she said he was sorta disappointed in the condition on one side because My mother tried to clean it with steel wool!! he bought it anyway though. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
