[OT] RevCentral Newsletter Number 3
Hey gang, Dan and I've got another issue of RevCentral Newsletter waiting for you hot off the presses. If haven't already seen it in your InBox, then you can subscribe (free) at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/revCentralHome/default.htm This issue's chock full of neat stuff. Dan tells us in detail more about RevCon West and you get to put some faces to pictures of the speakers there. We're closing in on 60 attendees! (a couple more signed up today, it's not too late!) There's also news about a new altBrowser for Tiger along with some very interesting news from Daniels-Mara. And, lastly a great tip on how to get started creating GREAT WIDGETS using the DEEP MASK feature of 2.6. If you're not subscribed, you can view the newsletter at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number3/default.htm Look forward to seeing many of you in Monterey! :-) -Chipp -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: custom cursor
Sorry for adding to my question but I just realized that, if I can add cursors to the OS (Win2K), then couldn't I add such pre-made cursors (.cur, .ani) to a stack. I tried using import and setting the filename of an image object but the .cur/.ani cursor files are not recognized by Rev. Thanks again. Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slider values
Well done Brian. Yes, setting the (invisible) lineIncrement property to zero fixes the numbers. I didn't notice that the little ticks were wrong. I don't know how to fix them. Your initial comments regarding a new user are exactly my sentiments. There are a couple of bugs in scrollbar objects in addition to such unexpected behaviour. I would like to see them cleaned up substantially at some stage. They are awkward to use in any quantitative way because their lineInc, pageInc and numberFormat properties are all interlinked. What do these number series have in common, and what is the underlying pattern? a: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,8,9,10; b: 1,10,20,29,38,48,57,67,76. The answer is they are the series of values that you get when you click on the bar of (a) a fresh, unadjusted slider control, and (b) a slider with its On bar click value (pageInc property) set to 10. Here is a challenge: Make a slider control that starts at 0 and increments by exactly 10 when you click on the bar, up to 100. It is certainly possible, but not easy if you don't know the trick. Regards, -- Michael J. Lew Setting the lineIncrement property to 0 seems to solve it... except: a) I had to discover lineIncrement and set it by script b) The ticks marks are wrong So, what IS the trick? -- Michael J. Lew Senior Lecturer Department of Pharmacology The University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Victoria Australia Phone +613 8344 8304 ** New email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: updated page for RevConWest.
best Edna Mode effort from The Incredibles No CANDY! /best Edna Mode I mean, after all, we've got to get them to SLEEP that /those nights so that I can attend the next RevConWest day!!! ;-) Thanks, tho'... Judy On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Judy Perry wrote: Do you have any kiddie-friendly suggestions for the accompanying family members? If the accompanying family members go by the Monterey Bay Aquarium area, there is also an arcade with merry-go-round and miniature golf, and a wax museum in the nearby Cannery Row area. Dare I mention the candy store among the nearby shops... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: updated page for RevConWest.
Thanks, Dan, Because, at this point, I'm considering taking off lunch BOF etc sessions as I don't think that ever, in the four years of the twins' life, my devoted spousal unit has EVER watched them ALONE for 10+ consecutive hours... Judy On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Dan Shafer wrote: Yes, I do. Coming in the next day or two. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slider values
Agreed. I can suggest two simple changes that seem as though they would make sliders work out of the box: 1) Change the default lineIncrement to 0 for slider style objects 2) There appears to be an engine bug with the number of ticks displayed (at least on MacOS X). There is one too few. For example, for a slider with values from 0 to 100, pageInc = 10 and lineIncr = 0 (as described in this thread), it displays 10 ticks. There should be 11: 0,10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100, My guess is that somewhere the engine is doing something like: numTicks = (maxValue - minValue)/(pageIncrement - lineIncrement) This seems intuitively ok at first (100 divided by 10!) but it should actually be the above plus 1, since you want ticks at both the min and max values. As it is now, what you get is a slider that stops on 10,20,30,etc but the ticks marks are actually at 11,22,33,44,55,etc - which looks very awkward. I'll BugZilla #2 as an engine bug unless someone else sees something here, but as far as I can tell it makes it impossible to properly display a slider, since paging left and right misses the ticks completely! - Brian Well done Brian. Yes, setting the (invisible) lineIncrement property to zero fixes the numbers. I didn't notice that the little ticks were wrong. I don't know how to fix them. Your initial comments regarding a new user are exactly my sentiments. There are a couple of bugs in scrollbar objects in addition to such unexpected behaviour. I would like to see them cleaned up substantially at some stage. They are awkward to use in any quantitative way because their lineInc, pageInc and numberFormat properties are all interlinked. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slider values
Hi Michael and Brian, May be you could have a look to my How-To stack How to manage scrollbars (available through Tutorials Picker: see my website). It does the trick with the rigt ticks marks :-) on scrollbarDrag pPos set the pageInc of me to the endValue of me / (the endValue of me + 1) end scrollbarDrag on mouseUp set the thumbPos of me to the thumbPos of me end mouseUp Le 9 juin 05 à 04:09, Michael J. Lew a écrit : What do these number series have in common, and what is the underlying pattern? a: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,8,9,10; b: 1,10,20,29,38,48,57,67,76. The answer is they are the series of values that you get when you click on the bar of (a) a fresh, unadjusted slider control, and (b) a slider with its On bar click value (pageInc property) set to 10. Here is a challenge: Make a slider control that starts at 0 and increments by exactly 10 when you click on the bar, up to 100. It is certainly possible, but not easy if you don't know the trick. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slider values
On 9 Jun 2005, at 08:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) There appears to be an engine bug with the number of ticks displayed (at least on MacOS X). There is one too few. For example, for a slider with values from 0 to 100, pageInc = 10 and lineIncr = 0 (as described in this thread), it displays 10 ticks. There should be 11: 0,10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100, My guess is that somewhere the engine is doing something like: numTicks = (maxValue - minValue)/(pageIncrement - lineIncrement) Or could it be that the thumbSize value is taken into account as it would be when working with scrollbars? (Or would it? My brain always hurts when doing this kind of arithmetic.) I notice that the thumbSize is always set to the pageInc value with sliders. I wondered what would happen if the thumbSize was set to 0 and the pageInc to 10, but I couldn't set them independently. Perhaps this is the problem. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slider values
Eric, This is helpful. I do, however, think it should still be considered a bug that one needs a special script in order to correct how sliders work when created in the IDE. Plus, since the script below actually modifies the pageIncrement away from what you originally intended, you again will have to do some funny calculation if you rely on the actual numeric value of the thumbPos. A very helpful stack to get people unstuck, but this really is both an IDE and an engine bug IMO. - Brian Hi Michael and Brian, May be you could have a look to my How-To stack How to manage scrollbars (available through Tutorials Picker: see my website). It does the trick with the rigt ticks marks :-) on scrollbarDrag pPos set the pageInc of me to the endValue of me / (the endValue of me + 1) end scrollbarDrag on mouseUp set the thumbPos of me to the thumbPos of me end mouseUp Le 9 juin 05 à 04:09, Michael J. Lew a écrit : What do these number series have in common, and what is the underlying pattern? a: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,8,9,10; b: 1,10,20,29,38,48,57,67,76. The answer is they are the series of values that you get when you click on the bar of (a) a fresh, unadjusted slider control, and (b) a slider with its On bar click value (pageInc property) set to 10. Here is a challenge: Make a slider control that starts at 0 and increments by exactly 10 when you click on the bar, up to 100. It is certainly possible, but not easy if you don't know the trick. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slider values
Dave, Or could it be that the thumbSize value is taken into account as it would be when working with scrollbars? (Or would it? My brain always hurts when doing this kind of arithmetic.) I notice that the thumbSize is always set to the pageInc value with sliders. I wondered what would happen if the thumbSize was set to 0 and the pageInc to 10, but I couldn't set them independently. Perhaps this is the problem. This could be related, but I don't think it will help the ticks. The actual number of ticks marks is wrong, and I don't think that can be affected by changing the thumbSize. I could be wrong, but that would just add more credence to needing to have this work by default =)! - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slider values
Hi Brian, Le 9 juin 05 à 11:38, Brian Yennie a écrit : This is helpful. I do, however, think it should still be considered a bug that one needs a special script in order to correct how sliders work when created in the IDE. Plus, since the script below actually modifies the pageIncrement away from what you originally intended, you again will have to do some funny calculation if you rely on the actual numeric value of the thumbPos. http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2644 Posted on March 1st 2005 after a long thread about this between Ken Ray, Richard Gaskin, Paul Looney and me. A very helpful stack to get people unstuck, but this really is both an IDE and an engine bug IMO. Thanks :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slider values
Oh, hey, where was I? Ok, well the report looks good. My votes are going in. http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2644 Posted on March 1st 2005 after a long thread about this between Ken Ray, Richard Gaskin, Paul Looney and me. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Moving Stacks or the Mouse
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:30:12 -0700 From: Roger Guay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moving Stacks or the Mouse To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thom, Thank you for this suggestion. First let me explain that I am building an animated tutorial and otherwise agree with you on the inadvisability of moving the mouse for the user. However my tutorial I will require the animation of the mouse to occur over many different paths across open stacks. How would I generate list of points for many paths that would result in a smooth animation of the mouse movement? You can see why I also thought of moving a tiny stack whose windowShape is a hand or pointer from the location of a point of one stack to the location of a point in another stack. This I have done, but I still wonder if there isn't an easier way?? Thanks and cheers, Roger Ps. I'm sorry I dropped the Subject Heading last go-around. Roger, This isn't what you want but you might find it an alternative. You would have to modify it to set the pointer to substacks--I think. See Pointer Tool at: http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ Use control click to download. This utility automates the process of establishing links between words in the text and the associated point of reference. Passing the mouse over the linked words show a hand pointing to the selected object. I use it in my tutorials. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: updated page for RevConWest.
I would love to come, as I am sure a lot of other would as well. But for those that cannot make it out there this year, are there any plans to produce podcasts of the event? ( For those who have been under a rock about podcasts here is the wikipedia entry: http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast ) Thanks to the RevConWest website I can now put a face to to some of the familar names on the list, but I would love to be able match up some voices as well! Todd On Jun 8, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Hi Folks, I just noticed that the page for RevConWest was updated to feature the session descriptions, I think that anyone that still considering his enrollment should read and phone Dan for a spot to go. This year will be a hell of a conference! http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest/ Cheers andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE
Geoff, I also just took out the hour 'if' statement in yours, so that minutes and hours are updated together after only 10 seconds from start. The extra time for doing the hours every ten seconds is trivial. Dennis On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:12 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: On Jun 8, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote: Just a little thing: with this new very clever code, the clock will not be at time just when opening ;-) So 4 lines more and 2 repetitions that are not satisfying: I bet you will find a better solution in 3 minutes! Thanks for the compliment. I'm not sure I would find a better way. I thought about this issue and decided to ignore it this morning because I didn't have time to do something better. Your way, passing in an argument to force an update, is likely the best with this particular design, although have a look at the example Dar suggested and Dennis posted. Separating the movement of the three hands into three separate handlers gets past this problem. gc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Call vs Send
Hi Dennis, Nonworking script in field PN1: on mouseUp call SaveMeTxt end mouseUp Did you try call SaveMeText ? Per Transcript Dictionary (call command), The entire handler including parameters must be enclosed in quotes. Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: custom cursor
On 6/9/05 12:46 AM, Nicolas Cueto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I need a big (and cute!) cursor for a preKindergarten stack I made. The docs advise custom cursors be three colors, while a writer in the archives (Ken Ray) suggests using Rev's editing tools to draw my own cursor. Well, first I tried the draw-your-own advise and made a standalone to test it out. However, this command failed on mouseUp set cursor to [image id number] NIcolas, can you try: set the cursor to [image id number] ?? I think you need the the. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE
I considered this option and went the other way for a couple reasons. It seemed more natural to leave it in one handler. It takes more lines of code to split the handlers up. I wonder what the overhead is to have three messages pending as opposed to one. That said, I think this is the way to go. It solves the display-isn't- right-for-up-to-two-minutes problem, and the implementation is about as clean as can be. I think we may finally be close to the optimum solution. gc On Jun 8, 2005, at 9:35 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: Geoff, Your new idea gave me an idea. Make three handlers --one for each hand (I hope I got the hour math straight) You can find it in my user space (see3d). Dennis on openCard setSeconds; setMinutes; setHours end openCard on setSeconds send setSeconds to me in 1-(the long seconds mod 1) seconds put the long time into fld Time --8:13:15 AM set the angle of grc Second to 450 - ((the seconds * 6) mod 360) end setSeconds on setMinutes send setMinutes to me in 10-(the seconds mod 10) seconds --10 seconds/degree set the angle of grc Minute to 450 - ((the seconds mod 3600) div 10) end setMinutes on setHours send setHours to me in 120-(the seconds mod 120) seconds --120 seconds/degree set itemdel to : set the angle of grc Hour to 450-(60*item 1 of the time mod 12) - ((the seconds mod 3600) div 120) --It's UTC if you just use the seconds here end setHours On Jun 8, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: I came up with a radically different approach. Several iterations ago, we realized that we didn't have to guess when it would be time to set the clock graphics. We could use 1-(the long seconds mod 1) to get a message sent exactly when we need it. Well, we're still guessing at when it's time to move the minute hand or the hour hand, and we don't need to. The minute hand moves one degree every ten seconds, the hour hand one degree every two minutes. The tests to determine this are simple. The natural thing to do is set the second hand, check to see if the minute hand needs to be set, and if it does check to see if the hour hand needs to be set. At each step, I want to exit if appropriate. The stumbling block was the send...in. I need to get to the end to do it. Then I realized -- the send...in doesn't have to be the last step. It can come at any point. So here's the script now: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: custom cursor
Date: 9-Jun-2005 10:00:45 -0400 From: Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com To: Use Revolution List use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: custom cursor On 6/9/05 12:46 AM, Nicolas Cueto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I need a big (and cute!) cursor for a preKindergarten stack I made. The docs advise custom cursors be three colors, while a writer in the archives (Ken Ray) suggests using Rev's editing tools to draw my own cursor. Well, first I tried the draw-your-own advise and made a standalone to test it out. However, this command failed on mouseUp set cursor to [image id number] NIcolas, can you try: set the cursor to [image id number] ?? I think you need the the. You might also want to include lock cursor so that it will not reset. If you do not use lock cursor, the cursor will change for a very short time (so short you might not notice the change at all!). Locking the cursor will make a difference and give persistence to the object. You will need to think about cursor changes inside different objects. So consider what will happen on enterfield, etc. Regards, Raymond E. Griffith ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: custom cursor
Ken Ray suggested: (B (B NIcolas, can you try: (B (B set the cursor to [image id number] (B (B ?? I think you need the "the". (B (BSorry. That was a typo in the message. (BIn the script itself, I used "the". (B (BOne thing I've learnt in the last few hours (Bis to include the line: (B (Bset the lockCursor to true (B (BOtherwise, the cursor doesn't change. (B (BAnyone else with other advise? (B (BThanks. (B (B-- (BNicolas Cueto (B___ (Buse-revolution mailing list (Buse-revolution@lists.runrev.com (Bhttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE
On Jun 9, 2005, at 5:51 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: I also just took out the hour 'if' statement in yours, so that minutes and hours are updated together after only 10 seconds from start. The extra time for doing the hours every ten seconds is trivial. But that's just...wrong ;-) I just sent a reply to your other email -- I think the separate handlers solution is the way to go, even if it does mean a few more lines of code. gc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Need help creating vertical QT audio player
Hi Mark, Can anyone direct me to a resource that might show me how to duplicate the functionality of the QT player (audio only) with a vertical orientation? A simple slider would be fine, but how do I script it to control the audio playback ala the QT paradigm, thumbpos auto-updating, instant playback by dragging it, etc. If I could just rotate the player 90 degrees that would work, too, but how? (Klaus M, forgive me if you already answered this a while back... I've looked and can't find anything...) Thou shalt be forgiven! :-) I only have a stck with a horizontal custom banana er slider... Please find it tattached, maybe you can figure out how to change it to vertical movement. Maybe my stack on Revonline Custom sliders will get you started... Thanks, Mark Regards from germany Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Visual Effects and Custom window shapes
Hello everyone, I am trying to use a visual effect when transition from one card and another. I am also changing the window shape as part of the transition. It doesn't look so hot. The regular (rectangle) shape of the window is visible while the transition is happening I am a newbie so I am probably missing something or maybe it won't work like I expect. Here is my button script on mouseUp set windowshape of this stack to 1013 -- new window shape visual effect dissolve Go to cd 1 end mouseUp My ultimate goal is to produce something like the OSX Tiger Widget effect when it flips over to expose the other side. I would be happy however if I could just some kind of visually interesting transition from one card to another with custom window shapes applied. Setup: OSX Tiger 10.4.1 RunRev 2.6 Thanks z ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Call vs Send
Rob, Yes I did. Both seem to work if you don't have parameters. But as I posted, the call is not required to get the proper functionality. Dennis On Jun 9, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Hi Dennis, Nonworking script in field PN1: on mouseUp call SaveMeTxt end mouseUp Did you try call SaveMeText ? Per Transcript Dictionary (call command), The entire handler including parameters must be enclosed in quotes. Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE
Geoff, It does have a certain elegance to it --and it preserves the subject header of 17 LINES of CODE ;-) The 3 MINUTES has grown just a tad to get it to it's current evolution. I just don't like the long math line to get the hours straight -- could there be a simpler way? Now all we need is a deep bitmask clockface to make it pretty. Perhaps a chime or coo-coo and an alarm setting to make it a fully functional simulation. These would be easy using the same delayed handler idea. Dennis On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: I think the separate handlers solution is the way to go, even if it does mean a few more lines of code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Need help creating vertical QT audio player
Hi List, Hi Mark, Can anyone direct me to a resource that might show me how to duplicate the functionality of the QT player (audio only) with a vertical orientation? A simple slider would be fine, but how do I script it to control the audio playback ala the QT paradigm, thumbpos auto-updating, instant playback by dragging it, etc. If I could just rotate the player 90 degrees that would work, too, but how? (Klaus M, forgive me if you already answered this a while back... I've looked and can't find anything...) Thou shalt be forgiven! :-) I only have a stck with a horizontal custom banana er slider... Please find it tattached, maybe you can figure out how to change it to vertical movement. Maybe my stack on Revonline Custom sliders will get you started... sorry, this mail was meant to go to Mark privately... Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] ChatRev coding contest starttime
Dear Revolutionaries Next Monday 19.00 (CET) the first ChatRev Coding Contest will start. It will be composed of three different challenges. The idea is not to win all of them, but to choose the ones that fit your expertise level. More details on Monday evening. cheers Björnke -- http://contest.wecode.org Compete against other Revolution programmers in the first ChatRev coding contest! sponsors: Altuit Andre Garzia TidBITS in cooperation with eHUG Runtime Revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Need help creating vertical QT audio player
Hi Klaus, Good reason for sending it twice :-) An now it will be 3 times :-D Le 9 juin 05 à 16:49, Klaus Major a écrit : Hi List, Hi Mark, Can anyone direct me to a resource that might show me how to duplicate the functionality of the QT player (audio only) with a vertical orientation? A simple slider would be fine, but how do I script it to control the audio playback ala the QT paradigm, thumbpos auto-updating, instant playback by dragging it, etc. If I could just rotate the player 90 degrees that would work, too, but how? (Klaus M, forgive me if you already answered this a while back... I've looked and can't find anything...) Thou shalt be forgiven! :-) I only have a stck with a horizontal custom banana er slider... Please find it tattached, maybe you can figure out how to change it to vertical movement. Maybe my stack on Revonline Custom sliders will get you started... sorry, this mail was meant to go to Mark privately... Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] ChatRev coding contest starttime
On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Bjrnke von Gierke wrote: Dear Revolutionaries Next Monday 19.00 (CET) the first ChatRev Coding Contest will start. It will be composed of three different challenges. The idea is not to win all of them, but to choose the ones that fit your expertise level. More details on Monday evening. cheers Bjrnke monday evening I'll be on a plane to monterey, won't be able to see things... :( andre -- http://contest.wecode.org Compete against other Revolution programmers in the first ChatRev coding contest! sponsors: Altuit Andre Garzia TidBITS in cooperation with eHUG Runtime Revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Windows ICOs
Hi all! Anyone got a handle on making an icon file (ico) for use when making a standalone in Rev 2.5? It would seem easiest to simply edit the genericapp.ico in the Sample Icons folder. But, what application do you use to edit it? Thank you in advance, Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Windows ICOs
Hi all! Anyone got a handle on making an icon file (ico) for use when making a standalone in Rev 2.5? It would seem easiest to simply edit the genericapp.ico in the Sample Icons folder. But, what application do you use to edit it? Thank you in advance, -Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows ICOs
Hi Dan, Check the great tutorial by Chipp Walters: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/StandaloneBuilderTutorial/ PDFdocument.htm Le 8 juin 05 à 21:16, Dan Friedman a écrit : Hi all! Anyone got a handle on making an icon file (ico) for use when making a standalone in Rev 2.5? It would seem easiest to simply edit the genericapp.ico in the Sample Icons folder. But, what application do you use to edit it? Thank you in advance, Dan Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Plugins, tutorials and more on our website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: updated page for RevConWest.
Stay tuned. Chipp and I are thinking of all kinds of ways of making the RevCon West sessions and/or information available after the event. Webcasting/podcasting live isn't feasible this year but I expect we'll have something to offer to those who are unfortunate enough not to be able to join us in MOnterey next week. NEXT WEEK???!!! OMIGOSH. I'd better get to work planning this sucker. :-D On Jun 9, 2005, at 5:41 AM, Todd Higgins wrote: I would love to come, as I am sure a lot of other would as well. But for those that cannot make it out there this year, are there any plans to produce podcasts of the event? ( For those who have been under a rock about podcasts here is the wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast ) Thanks to the RevConWest website I can now put a face to to some of the familar names on the list, but I would love to be able match up some voices as well! Todd On Jun 8, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Hi Folks, I just noticed that the page for RevConWest was updated to feature the session descriptions, I think that anyone that still considering his enrollment should read and phone Dan for a spot to go. This year will be a hell of a conference! http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest/ Cheers andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Watch out for 2.6 then going back to 2.5
I switched to 2.6 for a few hours, and during that time I made some edits and saved a stack I have been working on for some months. I switched back to 2.5.1 due to bugs so I could continue development on my stack. The stack acts goofy now. Here is a snippet of code: repeat with j=1 to 20 put j --mssg box contains 1 get Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] --error on this line executing at 11:59:32 AM TypeFunction: error in source expression Objectcard id 1002 Lineget Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] Hintcard id 1002 The error is complaining that j has not been defined yet When I look at the variable watcher, j is missing. If I 'put j' in the mssg box it is also missing. If I execute the get statement in the mssg box and substitute 1 for j then it works. I think I have just lost another 2 days work due to 2.6 :-( I have to assume that 2.6 was rushed to meet the Tiger announcement and did not go through the proper beta cycle. Who does Beta testing for these releases anyway? Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows ICOs
Dan Friedman wrote: Hi all! Anyone got a handle on making an icon file (ico) for use when making a standalone in Rev 2.5? It would seem easiest to simply edit the genericapp.ico in the Sample Icons folder. But, what application do you use to edit it? Your choice of Photoshop or Fireworks. :) I use Icon Builder http://www.iconfactory.com/iconbuilder.asp, a plugin that in recent releases also works in Fireworks, so you can take advantage of that app's unique workflow using vectors to generate raster images. Or if you prefer Photoshop it works there too! Well priced, very convenient once you get the hang of it, and generates both ICO and icns files. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows ICOs
Hi Dan, Hi all! Anyone got a handle on making an icon file (ico) for use when making a standalone in Rev 2.5? It would seem easiest to simply edit the genericapp.ico in the Sample Icons folder. But, what application do you use to edit it? i use Axialis Iconworkshop: http://axialis.com/iconworkshop/ A wonderful, easy-to-use tool, and worth every cent! Since i do most work on my mac, this is the only windows software i ever bought :-) Thank you in advance, Dan Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Moving Stacks or the Mouse
Tom, Thanks very much for this suggestion . . . I'll work with this. Of course my task is complicated by the fact that I am going from one stack to another, but I enjoy the challenge. Thanks again, Roger On Jun 8, 2005, at 5:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could capture the start points x,y and then you must know your end points u,v and figure the stepping distance between the two. So if you had x= 200 and u = 340 and you wanted a step of 10 then you could repeat with a = x to u step 10 or (200, 210, 220, 230, 240... 320,330,340) Or written like this: (not tested yet) repeat with a = x to u step 10 put a cr after myLocsOne end repeat repeat with b = y to v step 10 put b cr after myLocsTwo end repeat Then put the two lists together. repeat with h = 1 to the number of lines in myLocsOne put (line h of myLocsOne) , (line h of myLocsTwo) into line h of myLocs end repeat repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in myLocs set the screenMouseLoc to (line x of myLocs) wait 500 milliseconds -- adjust this to a speed that feels good to you end repeat Tom P.S. you can also do this kind of thing with the points of a polygon or line etc. and record or as I have done with the localLoc of buttons HTHs On Jun 8, 2005, at 7:30 PM, Roger Guay wrote: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Moving Stacks or the Mouse
Thanks for this suggestion, Jim. I'll have a look at it. I'm sure that I will at least learn a lot as I always do from your stacks. Cheers, Roger On Jun 9, 2005, at 6:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roger, This isn't what you want but you might find it an alternative. You would have to modify it to set the pointer to substacks--I think. See Pointer Tool at: http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ Use control click to download. This utility automates the process of establishing links between words in the text and the associated point of reference. Passing the mouse over the linked words show a hand pointing to the selected object. I use it in my tutorials. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution for Sun Solaris 10
Hi all, I am using now Sun Solaris 10 for x86. I have found a Runrev engine for Solaris Intel, but is it only for Revolution 2.1.2, and this engine doesn't work with Revolution 2.6. So, I need revolution for my OS, and I want to know where I can download Revolution for Solaris (if he exist). Thanks Damien Girard Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Documentation for 2.6 new features
Where is the documentation for 2.6 new Tiger Features? Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution for Sun Solaris 10
Hi Damien. I too look forward to seeing the latest Rev version for various unix flavors. I use SGI IRIX on several o2 and octane machines. According to Kevin Miller, it shouldn't be much longer. He said they would be released in July, 2005 according to this post he made back in March. They are probably thoroughly debugging the code right now. I assume that the unix related bugs listed in Bugzilla will be addressed before release. Right Kevin? http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/msg49422.html Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 06/09/2005 at 03:02 PM, Damien Girard wrote: Hi all, I am using now Sun Solaris 10 for x86. I have found a Runrev engine for Solaris Intel, but is it only for Revolution 2.1.2, and this engine doesn't work with Revolution 2.6. So, I need revolution for my OS, and I want to know where I can download Revolution for Solaris (if he exist). Thanks Damien Girard Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
screen artifacts on small laptop
Back again, I'll try to keep it down to three or four times a day, max g Screen artifacts on my laptop (a Pismo - Apple) have been quite a problem lately. Fields and buttons often pile up on top of each other, in the vertical dimension. It doesn't seem to happen on my desktop machine with a much bigger screen. Otherwise, everything seems to be working very well. This occurs with stacks too tall to fit on the laptop screen, only 14 inch. I deal with this by using scalable stacks and scrolling groups. I have to use 800 X 600 screen resolution. With higher resolution, the small text is just too tiny. The easiest way to force a redraw that I've found so far is go go to another card and return. This is somewhat inconvenient, because it is necessary rather often. I've been wondering about a more convenient way to force a re-draw. I guess I could install a redraw button in the group. Maybe set lockscreen to true, go next, go prev, set lockscreen to false... Is there an obviously better method? If the text-entry cursor is in a field, it would be nice to find it in the same place after the redraw. That's probably possible... I've wondered if there is a reasonable way to get the window to redraw itself periodically, maybe once every few seconds, without changing the position of the text entry cursor, or interfering too much with text entry. On scrollbarDrag is another possibility. (That way, I might not need to worry about the location of the text entry cursor.) That makes some sense because using the scrollbar seems to cause the artifacts. But the scrollbarDrag message gets sent many times when you move the scrollbar, even a little bit, so it probably isn't a good idea. The other option is to just keep it simple, stupid I.e., manually navigate to next card and back again, whenever I need a redraw. These stacks do have navigation buttons. What do you recommend? Thanks in advance, Tim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Ignore this message: Test of threading theory
This is just a test to see if a theory I have about Mac OS X Mail.app threading is true. Sorry for any inconvenience, but this is the only way I know to test it. I will report about it if it turns out to be true. Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
A reason for threading errors in Mail.app
Dan and Mac Mail.app users and anyone who replies to messages, I have noticed that Mail.app seems to put seemingly unrelated threads into an existing thread at times. I think I see a possible explanation for this. In addition to the usual method of looking at the subject text, I think mail.app also fingerprints messages somehow, so it knows when a reply is to that message --even if the subject line is altered. So if somebody starts a new thread by replying to a thread I started or replied to, just to get the header info, then replaces the body and subject lines to a new topic, my Mail.app assumes it is still related to the original message. I just tested out this theory by replying to a thread I started, but I changed everything about the message except the To: line. Sure enough the message came back threaded to the unrelated message I started it from. A case of too smart for its own good! Dennis On May 23, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Howard. I thought I was the only one experiencing this problem. I've posted messages on two or three OS X message boards and haven't had a single reaction or response. Threads seem to collect unrelated messages more or less at random. But it's still better for me than the old way. On May 23, 2005, at 4:45 AM, Howard Bornstein wrote: I used to do that but I really don't like the way Mail does threading. It never really works on my Mac. ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A reason for threading errors in Mail.app
Dennis... Thanks for the detective work. I think this is the reason for *some* of the errors I see, but perhaps not all. Although it's possible the fingerprinting is so deep and smart that it is indeed too smart for its own good. I wonder why Apple doesn't acknowledge this bug. No, I don't. They'd call it a feature. On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: Dan and Mac Mail.app users and anyone who replies to messages, I have noticed that Mail.app seems to put seemingly unrelated threads into an existing thread at times. I think I see a possible explanation for this. In addition to the usual method of looking at the subject text, I think mail.app also fingerprints messages somehow, so it knows when a reply is to that message --even if the subject line is altered. So if somebody starts a new thread by replying to a thread I started or replied to, just to get the header info, then replaces the body and subject lines to a new topic, my Mail.app assumes it is still related to the original message. I just tested out this theory by replying to a thread I started, but I changed everything about the message except the To: line. Sure enough the message came back threaded to the unrelated message I started it from. A case of too smart for its own good! Dennis On May 23, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Howard. I thought I was the only one experiencing this problem. I've posted messages on two or three OS X message boards and haven't had a single reaction or response. Threads seem to collect unrelated messages more or less at random. But it's still better for me than the old way. On May 23, 2005, at 4:45 AM, Howard Bornstein wrote: I used to do that but I really don't like the way Mail does threading. It never really works on my Mac. ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Not exactly a bug
All- I've noticed that resetting the IDE preferences to default doesn't affect the variable checking by default setting. I like it like that so I'm reluctant to flag it in bugzilla. Any comments? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Watch out for 2.6 then going back to 2.5
I could use some help. I am not sure how to approach trying to recover my stack. I have lots of backups, but I have to go back many revisions to find a stack the does not produce this error (prior to my brief encounter with 2.6). My stack is just one card, but it has many groups and hundreds of objects, and many new objects, most of which I have added or altered the properties and scripts since the good backup (I was restructuring the script organization and also added more functionality). Thank goodness for Chipp Walters altArchive plugin. Because of it I started making many more backup versions than I used to. Anyway I have two stacks an old one that works and a new one with several days of extensive changes that is somehow corrupted in one or more ways. If I copy objects over, I get all the changes, but do I get the corruption also? The corrupted script is at the card level, but it seems like it is the engine that is failing at runtime, but the same engine runs the old stack, the compiler does not complain. I tried deleting the card scripts and replacing them, but that did not help. I am just not sure how to approach it to make sure I don't waste more time, and I get a good stack. Dennis On Jun 9, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: I switched to 2.6 for a few hours, and during that time I made some edits and saved a stack I have been working on for some months. I switched back to 2.5.1 due to bugs so I could continue development on my stack. The stack acts goofy now. Here is a snippet of code: repeat with j=1 to 20 put j --mssg box contains 1 get Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] --error on this line executing at 11:59:32 AM TypeFunction: error in source expression Objectcard id 1002 Lineget Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] Hintcard id 1002 The error is complaining that j has not been defined yet When I look at the variable watcher, j is missing. If I 'put j' in the mssg box it is also missing. If I execute the get statement in the mssg box and substitute 1 for j then it works. I think I have just lost another 2 days work due to 2.6 :-( I have to assume that 2.6 was rushed to meet the Tiger announcement and did not go through the proper beta cycle. Who does Beta testing for these releases anyway? Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A reason for threading errors in Mail.app
Dennis Brown wrote: Dan and Mac Mail.app users and anyone who replies to messages, I have noticed that Mail.app seems to put seemingly unrelated threads into an existing thread at times. I think I see a possible explanation for this. In addition to the usual method of looking at the subject text, I think mail.app also fingerprints messages somehow, so it knows when a reply is to that message --even if the subject line is altered. So if somebody starts a new thread by replying to a thread I started or replied to, just to get the header info, then replaces the body and subject lines to a new topic, my Mail.app assumes it is still related to the original message. I just tested out this theory by replying to a thread I started, but I changed everything about the message except the To: line. Sure enough the message came back threaded to the unrelated message I started it from. That seems likely - though it's not particularly the mail.app - it's been part of the mail standard for 20+ years. The headers for the mail I'm replying to included the following lines: Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and these are used (probably along with others) to decide what's a thread and what isn't. (See rfc 822 published in 1982 !!) A case of too smart for its own good! A case of doing exactly what the standard says it should do. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 04/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: screen artifacts on small laptop
A small followup: Back again, I'll try to keep it down to three or four times a day, max g Screen artifacts on my laptop (a Pismo - Apple) have been quite a problem lately. Fields and buttons often pile up on top of each other, in the vertical dimension. It doesn't seem to happen on my desktop machine with a much bigger screen. Otherwise, everything seems to be working very well. I just noticed that very similar artifacts do occur on my desktop machine with a larger display, which I run on 1024 X 768. There's a big difference, though. Something corrects the artifacts within a second or less, without any intervention from me. In both cases, it happens on the taller stacks, scalable, with a scrolling group. The Pismo is a G3. The desktop machine is a G4. I don't know of that's relevant. Thanks again, Tim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A reason for threading errors in Mail.app
Dan, In any normal use of mail and replies between two parties this would be a good feature. On a list like this one, I wish I could turn this feature off. I do know who read which thread and cloned a new one though. However, I am not sure what I can do with that piece of trivia. I no longer make a new thread that way, now I start with a new message and drag/drop the to: field. I am curious, did the previous/this message show up in a different thread in your mail. You can tell which thread I cloned this from by the mail body reference. Dennis On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: Dennis... Thanks for the detective work. I think this is the reason for *some* of the errors I see, but perhaps not all. Although it's possible the fingerprinting is so deep and smart that it is indeed too smart for its own good. I wonder why Apple doesn't acknowledge this bug. No, I don't. They'd call it a feature. On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: Dan and Mac Mail.app users and anyone who replies to messages, I have noticed that Mail.app seems to put seemingly unrelated threads into an existing thread at times. I think I see a possible explanation for this. In addition to the usual method of looking at the subject text, I think mail.app also fingerprints messages somehow, so it knows when a reply is to that message -- even if the subject line is altered. So if somebody starts a new thread by replying to a thread I started or replied to, just to get the header info, then replaces the body and subject lines to a new topic, my Mail.app assumes it is still related to the original message. I just tested out this theory by replying to a thread I started, but I changed everything about the message except the To: line. Sure enough the message came back threaded to the unrelated message I started it from. A case of too smart for its own good! Dennis On May 23, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Howard. I thought I was the only one experiencing this problem. I've posted messages on two or three OS X message boards and haven't had a single reaction or response. Threads seem to collect unrelated messages more or less at random. But it's still better for me than the old way. On May 23, 2005, at 4:45 AM, Howard Bornstein wrote: I used to do that but I really don't like the way Mail does threading. It never really works on my Mac. ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A reason for threading errors in Mail.app
Alex, If this is a standard, then as a point of etiquette, members of a list should a start new topic as a new mail message and not as a reply to an unrelated thread. Dennis On Jun 9, 2005, at 5:03 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: Dennis Brown wrote: Dan and Mac Mail.app users and anyone who replies to messages, I have noticed that Mail.app seems to put seemingly unrelated threads into an existing thread at times. I think I see a possible explanation for this. In addition to the usual method of looking at the subject text, I think mail.app also fingerprints messages somehow, so it knows when a reply is to that message --even if the subject line is altered. So if somebody starts a new thread by replying to a thread I started or replied to, just to get the header info, then replaces the body and subject lines to a new topic, my Mail.app assumes it is still related to the original message. I just tested out this theory by replying to a thread I started, but I changed everything about the message except the To: line. Sure enough the message came back threaded to the unrelated message I started it from. That seems likely - though it's not particularly the mail.app - it's been part of the mail standard for 20+ years. The headers for the mail I'm replying to included the following lines: Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and these are used (probably along with others) to decide what's a thread and what isn't. (See rfc 822 published in 1982 !!) A case of too smart for its own good! A case of doing exactly what the standard says it should do. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 04/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A reason for threading errors in Mail.app
I hate when they do that. :-D On Jun 9, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: A case of doing exactly what the standard says it should do. ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT Vertical White Space (line breaks) in XML
Sorry that this XML newbie is using this forum for help, but, well, what better place to go? We are using Revolution interfaces for generating XML docs that will be destined for the web (via XSL transformations) and later print production, one caveat is where I made (perhaps a bad) decision to wrap all the data of the main body of the text in ![CDATA[ in otherwise very simple docs like this: audio_transcript header subjectSome Title/subject date_given2005-01-01/given ## more header child nodes with other info...## /header transcript_text ![CDATA[ Conditions in the world today are certainly troubling, with wars between countries, wars within countries, plus a serious threat of international terrorist acts. etc... New 2nd paragraph... The shocking attacks in New York on September 11, 2001, naturally heightened everyones concern about these problems. 3rd paragraph... One of the immediate consequences of 9/11 was the television coverage depicting people in a number of countries who do not much like, some even strongly hate, the United States, even to the point of wishing violence upon it. Watching these startling reports on television, we were again reminded of the extent and seriousness of the problem of prejudice in the world today. etc... ]] /transcript_text /audio_transcript Caveat: how to get the line breaks back into the ![CDATA[ section in a XSL transform process? I did a cheat test and marked up all the paras with pfooParagrapn/p in BBEdit, but didn't work... duh, oh, right, ! [CDATA[ is not interpreted... the web page displays the p as literals, on screen, so, yes, that's what is supposed to happen to CDATA, but not what we want. In the Rev interfaces the field that holds the main text has simple line breaks (1 cr or 2 cr's where an extra blank line is wanted...) So, I've just been passing out the entire field to the CDATA section... possibly this is where I went wrong... any help appreciated... email me off list if this is too far off list.. though others here may want to know... OK now, off to the web to see if I can find this in the ocean of XML resources.. TIA Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Watch out for 2.6 then going back to 2.5
I would say try creating a new stack and copying over all of the objects and scripts. Sometimes stacks become corrupted, and this often works to fix that. Sometimes objects become corrupted, and recreating that object might work in that situation. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:00 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Watch out for 2.6 then going back to 2.5 I could use some help. I am not sure how to approach trying to recover my stack. I have lots of backups, but I have to go back many revisions to find a stack the does not produce this error (prior to my brief encounter with 2.6). My stack is just one card, but it has many groups and hundreds of objects, and many new objects, most of which I have added or altered the properties and scripts since the good backup (I was restructuring the script organization and also added more functionality). Thank goodness for Chipp Walters altArchive plugin. Because of it I started making many more backup versions than I used to. Anyway I have two stacks an old one that works and a new one with several days of extensive changes that is somehow corrupted in one or more ways. If I copy objects over, I get all the changes, but do I get the corruption also? The corrupted script is at the card level, but it seems like it is the engine that is failing at runtime, but the same engine runs the old stack, the compiler does not complain. I tried deleting the card scripts and replacing them, but that did not help. I am just not sure how to approach it to make sure I don't waste more time, and I get a good stack. Dennis On Jun 9, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: I switched to 2.6 for a few hours, and during that time I made some edits and saved a stack I have been working on for some months. I switched back to 2.5.1 due to bugs so I could continue development on my stack. The stack acts goofy now. Here is a snippet of code: repeat with j=1 to 20 put j --mssg box contains 1 get Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] --error on this line executing at 11:59:32 AM TypeFunction: error in source expression Objectcard id 1002 Lineget Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] Hintcard id 1002 The error is complaining that j has not been defined yet When I look at the variable watcher, j is missing. If I 'put j' in the mssg box it is also missing. If I execute the get statement in the mssg box and substitute 1 for j then it works. I think I have just lost another 2 days work due to 2.6 :-( I have to assume that 2.6 was rushed to meet the Tiger announcement and did not go through the proper beta cycle. Who does Beta testing for these releases anyway? Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Watch out for 2.6 then going back to 2.5
Dennis Brown wrote: I could use some help. I am not sure how to approach trying to recover my stack. I have lots of backups, but I have to go back many revisions to find a stack the does not produce this error (prior to my brief encounter with 2.6). If the Rev IDE is not reporting corruption, it may not be corrupted at all. Your original report said: repeat with j=1 to 20 put j --mssg box contains 1 get Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] --error on this line executing at 11:59:32 AM TypeFunction: error in source expression Objectcard id 1002 Lineget Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] Hintcard id 1002 The error is complaining that j has not been defined yet I don't see j mentioned specifically in the error report, just source expression. So if j is okay and 1 is one and not an undefined lower-case L, what's in i and DateLines? If those check out, what happens if you delete and retype that line? It may be that there's an option-space or other illegal non-printing character accidently put in there -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: updated page for RevConWest.
On Jun 9, 2005, at 9:11 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Stay tuned. Chipp and I are thinking of all kinds of ways of making the RevCon West sessions and/or information available after the event. Webcasting/podcasting live isn't feasible this year but I expect we'll have something to offer to those who are unfortunate enough not to be able to join us in MOnterey next week. NEXT WEEK???!!! OMIGOSH. I'd better get to work planning this sucker. :-D I can video the keynotes and post them on my site if anyone would be interested and if it would be ok with the hosts. Just let me know. I even toyed with the idea of setting up a qt streaming server to do it live. I wonder how many concurrent users we could host off a T1. Best regards, Mark Talluto CANELA Software 25920 Iris Ave Ste 13A-170 Moreno Valley, CA 92551 tel: (310) 483-9919 fax: (951) 924-6240 http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A reason for threading errors in Mail.app
Dennis- Thursday, June 9, 2005, 2:14:35 PM, you wrote: DB If this is a standard, then as a point of etiquette, members of a DB list should a start new topic as a new mail message and not as a DB reply to an unrelated thread. ...as has been pointed out many times... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Need help creating vertical QT audio player
Thanks, Klaus. I think I can make this work. But simpler and less fraught with potential problems, does anyone know how to simply stand the standard QT player on its head? Folks at RunRev? Mark On Jun 9, 2005, at 7:27 AM, Klaus Major wrote: Hi Mark, Can anyone direct me to a resource that might show me how to duplicate the functionality of the QT player (audio only) with a vertical orientation? A simple slider would be fine, but how do I script it to control the audio playback ala the QT paradigm, thumbpos auto-updating, instant playback by dragging it, etc. If I could just rotate the player 90 degrees that would work, too, but how? (Klaus M, forgive me if you already answered this a while back... I've looked and can't find anything...) Thou shalt be forgiven! :-) I only have a stck with a horizontal custom banana er slider... Please find it tattached, maybe you can figure out how to change it to vertical movement. Maybe my stack on Revonline Custom sliders will get you started... Thanks, Mark Regards from germany Klaus Major ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Watch out for 2.6 then going back to 2.5
repeat with j=1 to 20 put j --mssg box contains 1 get Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] --error on this line executing at 11:59:32 AM TypeFunction: error in source expression Objectcard id 1002 Lineget Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] Hintcard id 1002 The error is complaining that j has not been defined yet When I look at the variable watcher, j is missing. If I 'put j' in the mssg box it is also missing. If I execute the get statement in the mssg box and substitute 1 for j then it works. Do you have explicit variables turned on? Where is i defined? As one of those who did beta test 2.6, I found it very reliable and had no problems getting my stacks to run. Perhaps you could post your complete script, so we could try to find a solution for you. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
how to change the stack name
Hi, how to change the stack name using script only? i tried this: local stackName = Hello World! put stackName into the name of stack myStack tarek ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to change the stack name
try: set the name of stack myStack to Hello World! On Jun 10 2005, at 02:46, Tarek Nasser wrote: Hi, how to change the stack name using script only? i tried this: local stackName = Hello World! put stackName into the name of stack myStack tarek ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://contest.wecode.org Compete against other Revolution programmers in the first ChatRev coding contest! sponsors: Altuit Andre Garzia TidBITS in cooperation with eHUG Runtime Revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to change the stack name
Set the name of this stack to Hello World Mark On Jun 9, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Tarek Nasser wrote: Hi, how to change the stack name using script only? i tried this: local stackName = Hello World! put stackName into the name of stack myStack tarek ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calendar
I use Sarah Reichelt's Calendar in a smal application. I installed it and it works great under Revolution 2.6. :-) After testing I have built a stand alone and it stopped working. The Calendar stack don't pop up, nothing happens at all. :-( What can be wrong. I just tested this using Rev 2.6 and Mac OS X 10.4.1 and it worked fine. Are you sure the relevant calendar stack is actually being included in your application? The Calendar demo stack has a button for installing it into any selected mainStack, but the newly created calendar stack then needs to be renamed. e.g. suppose you are using the MediumCalendar, once you install it into your own mainStack, the main stack file will then include a stack called Copy of MediumCalendar. You need to close the Calendar Demo stack and remove it from memory before you can rename the copy to just MediumCalendar. The function to use the calendar is placed in the stack script for you, but it needs to be given the name of the calendar stack to use. If you would like to send me your stack directly, I would be happy to have a look and see if I can work out why it isn't operating correctly. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Call vs Send
Dennis Brown wrote: Richard, Going through your tutorial is what made me try to improve my scripts with call. I thought that the call would execute a script in another place but keep the context of where it was called from. So 'me' would be the field that the call originated from and not the card that the script was in. But after a test, it looks like that is not the case --too bad. Does send do what you need? It is the target that returns the name of my field, but the group name is left off which is bad for me because I have the same name repeated in many differently named groups. I have groups of fields and buttons that are created from templates on the fly, along with many saved values for each (in custom properties). These are related to various setup conditions for running simulations. I obviously want the minimum scripts in the duplicates, and most of the script in a common place where changes are manageable. Perhaps you should be prepared to make sure nobody else makes this mistake in your tutorial. Using the long id of the target will provide an absolute reference to the specific object, but I'm not sure why simply the target doesn't return the same value. Hmmm makes the target rather less useful, unless there's a benefit to the truncated descriptor it returns that I'm just not seeing. But to be honest, it's very rare that I use either call or send. Both are up there with do in terms of a modest amount of additional overhead needed to handle them relative to calls natively in the message path. Could there be another way to handle that using the native message path, maybe a common handler in the master group or card script? Also, what sort of simulation are you working on? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Watch out for 2.6 then going back to 2.5
Richard,Sarah,Mark,Jon I found the problem and my face is a bit red. It was not stack corruption, it was a caused by a typo that caused a missing global declaration. The error just by coincidence happened to occur during the few hours I was trying to run on 2.6. I had so many reverts during that time, I must have messed up an edit. The reason I was so confused, was that when I hit debug in the error window, it showed me the line, but the variable watcher was in a different context which had the global listed but did not have j listed. Typing into the message box used the variable watcher context. I am usually pretty good with debugging problems (even though I am still new with Rev) but I was led astray by what I thought the tool was showing me. However, in trying to duplicate the context error now, I can't. It does the right thing. So now I am wondering if it was somehow operator error. I usually figure operator error, but this time I may have been too quick to blame 2.6 because I ran into so many other problems so quickly when I tried using it --blame the one with the long rap sheet that was in the vicinity. I will not likely repeat this mistake. Thank you for the help. I am sorry to have caused you any inconvenience. My apologies to 2.6 for being accused of a crime it did not commit. Thank goodness I can recover from this. Dennis On Jun 9, 2005, at 6:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dennis Brown wrote: I could use some help. I am not sure how to approach trying to recover my stack. I have lots of backups, but I have to go back many revisions to find a stack the does not produce this error (prior to my brief encounter with 2.6). If the Rev IDE is not reporting corruption, it may not be corrupted at all. Your original report said: repeat with j=1 to 20 put j --mssg box contains 1 get Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] --error on this line executing at 11:59:32 AM TypeFunction: error in source expression Objectcard id 1002 Lineget Typ[min(i+1+j,DateLines)] Hintcard id 1002 The error is complaining that j has not been defined yet I don't see j mentioned specifically in the error report, just source expression. So if j is okay and 1 is one and not an undefined lower-case L, what's in i and DateLines? If those check out, what happens if you delete and retype that line? It may be that there's an option-space or other illegal non- printing character accidently put in there -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Watching my Variables
Just thought I'd show another way of doing this. I always get mixed up with where to put the when using those do things. putvalue(item x of varNames) cr after tList Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] I ran into the same problem. I solved it with the do command do put myVariableNameIsInHere Dennis - Original Message - From: Derek Bump [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Watching my Variables I am updating my Error Reporting script to include all variable information (Local, Global, etc) and I am wondering how I would get the contents of a variable who's name is held within a variable? Just analyze the script below and you'll see what I mean... -- Globals put crcr Global Variables... cr after theMessage put globalNames() into varNames repeat with x=1 to the number of items in varNames putline x of varNames after theMessage put variableContents(line x of varNames) cr after theMessage end repeat Derek Bump Dreamscape Software ___ Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress 2.6.1 http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
text field
Hi, how to make a text field a password field, where characters are asterisks. thanks, -- tarek ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
text selection question
How come when you do this: select word one of fld x_areacode1 The text just flashes for a second and doesn't remain selected? Is there some command: select word one of fld foolish coder and hold that selection *[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Watch out for 2.6 then going back to 2.5
Dennis Brown wrote: Richard,Sarah,Mark,Jon I found the problem and my face is a bit red. It was not stack corruption, it was a caused by a typo That's good news for everyone. Typos are easy to fix, but corruption isn't. Fortunately, given the way Rev handles its files, corrupted stack are extremely rare - here's some background: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-June/017928.html http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2002-December/010842.html http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-August/041134.html And a note from the inventor of the engine on the subject: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2002-December/010776.html -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
how do I write my own function?
hi, how do I write my own function? thanx, -- t ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Strange database connection behaviour under Linux
Hi All, Hoping for some help with this. I'm using Dreamcard 2.5.1 to put data into a MySQL database. I have developed the application on my laptop running SuSE 9.1 Pro and it works great. I can connect to MySQL databases on my local machine and on various remote servers on our network. The problem comes when I try to use this stack on any other machines. I have tried running my stack using the Dreamcard Player on one machine running RedHat 9 and another running SuSE 9.1 Pro with no luck. I get errors like: There was an error in connecting to the database. Please check that the connection fields are correct. Revdb error: revdberr, invalid database type I have double checked the connection information and it is good. I have also double checked that my database user has permissions to connect from the various hosts I am connecting from. I have the same problem whether I use the Database Query Builder or do it manually in a script. In frustration and thinking that it may be a Player issue, I have installed the Dreamcard IDE on the RedHat machine, but get exactly the same problem. It looks like Rev can't find or use the database drivers on the other machines, yet they seem to be in the right location (comparing with my original development machine). I have little (no) experience with preparing stacks to run on other machines from the development machine. Any ideas / suggestions as to what might be causing this? Thanks, -- Rishi Viner PUREDATA Australia www.puredata.com.au ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how do I write my own function?
t wrote: how do I write my own function? There's a good discussion in the documentation: 1. In the Rev tool bar click Documentation 2. In the Documentation window click Topics 3. In the Filter field type function 4. Among the items listed below you'll see one named: How do I write your own commands and functions? The title is potentially misleading: it doesn't teach you how to write other people's functions, just your own. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: text selection question
If the command select or focus on is run from and open fld or in the message box then the selection just flashes for a second. If it is run from a button on the card then it works as expected. version 2.6 - what am I doing wrong? Bill Humphrey wrote: How come when you do this: select word one of fld x_areacode1 The text just flashes for a second and doesn't remain selected? Is there some command: select word one of fld foolish coder and hold that selection *[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange database connection behaviour under Linux
Have you used YourSQL or similar utility to test the connections to other machines? Rishi Viner wrote: Hi All, Hoping for some help with this. I'm using Dreamcard 2.5.1 to put data into a MySQL database. I have developed the application on my laptop running SuSE 9.1 Pro and it works great. I can connect to MySQL databases on my local machine and on various remote servers on our network. The problem comes when I try to use this stack on any other machines. I have tried running my stack using the Dreamcard Player on one machine running RedHat 9 and another running SuSE 9.1 Pro with no luck. I get errors like: There was an error in connecting to the database. Please check that the connection fields are correct. Revdb error: revdberr, invalid database type I have double checked the connection information and it is good. I have also double checked that my database user has permissions to connect from the various hosts I am connecting from. I have the same problem whether I use the Database Query Builder or do it manually in a script. In frustration and thinking that it may be a Player issue, I have installed the Dreamcard IDE on the RedHat machine, but get exactly the same problem. It looks like Rev can't find or use the database drivers on the other machines, yet they seem to be in the right location (comparing with my original development machine). I have little (no) experience with preparing stacks to run on other machines from the development machine. Any ideas / suggestions as to what might be causing this? Thanks, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how do I write my own function?
Click the Documentation icon, Topics, and then filter with: function. Under Commands and Functions look at How do I write your own commands and functions? also Function control structure which may be more useful. Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: t [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: how do I write my own function? hi, how do I write my own function? thanx, -- t ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Call vs Send
On Jun 9, 2005, at 9:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Using the long id of the target will provide an absolute reference to the specific object, but I'm not sure why simply the target doesn't return the same value. Hmmm makes the target rather less useful, unless there's a benefit to the truncated descriptor it returns that I'm just not seeing. I found that the long name of the target is what was required to get me what I needed. But to be honest, it's very rare that I use either call or send. Both are up there with do in terms of a modest amount of additional overhead needed to handle them relative to calls natively in the message path. Speaking of do. That is another on that should be combined with these call/send in a tutorial. I try to avoid it, but I have to use it often because I don't know any other way to reference a variable or a custom property who's name is in a variable --though for speed reasons, I never do this inside a critical loop. Very useful when making complex one card stacks that would be a memory and support killer with many cards. Could there be another way to handle that using the native message path, maybe a common handler in the master group or card script? Yes that is what worked. I put the common scripts in my card script now and use the native message path. Also, what sort of simulation are you working on? It simulates the stock markets (every stock) for the past ten years, looking for algorithmic and statistical relationships in the performance. There is a lot of data, which is why I have been pushing the speed thing in large arrays. I have worked on similar, but less aggressive simulations many years ago in HyperCard, then SuperCard, and I was just considering a switch to MetaCard (for speed reasons) when the previous project was dropped. I haven't done anything in programming for the last 5 years, until this project came up --so everything is new again. Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange database connection behaviour under Linux
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:34 pm, Bill Humphrey wrote: Have you used YourSQL or similar utility to test the connections to other machines? Hi Bill, Thanks for your quick reply! The answer is yes, I have connected using the knoda database program from the other machines first, just to make sure I could do it and had the permissions etc. No problems with that. Cheers, -- Rishi Viner PUREDATA Australia www.puredata.com.au ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
load database tables
hi, I'm trying to load my database tables into a scrolling field, I connected to the database but I can't find a command to get the tables. Is there a command that stores the tables in an array or a scrolling field. thanx, -- t ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: text field
how to make a text field a password field, where characters are asterisks. thanks, The only built-in way to get password entry is using the answer password command. However if you want to allow people to enter passwords into a field, then you need to script the data entry yourself. The easiest way is to let them enter the password as plain text and then in a closeField handler, store the actual password somewhere secure, perhaps in a custom property, then replace all the letters with asterisks. Alternatively, you can trap the rawKeyDown or keyDown messages and append any typed characters to the stored password, while adding an asterisk to the field. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Call vs Send
On 6/9/05 6:23 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using the long id of the target will provide an absolute reference to the specific object, but I'm not sure why simply the target doesn't return the same value. Hmmm makes the target rather less useful, unless there's a benefit to the truncated descriptor it returns that I'm just not seeing. The truncated descriptor enables the simple structure if the target is me in handlers for system messages and even application messages. What are the relative timings of handlers in the message path vs. handlers outside? -- Dick ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: text field
You'll want to use a dialog rather than a text field. ask password is the key. On Jun 9, 2005, at 7:14 PM, tarek wrote: Hi, how to make a text field a password field, where characters are asterisks. thanks, -- tarek ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Call vs Send
Dick Kriesel wrote: On 6/9/05 6:23 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using the long id of the target will provide an absolute reference to the specific object, but I'm not sure why simply the target doesn't return the same value. Hmmm makes the target rather less useful, unless there's a benefit to the truncated descriptor it returns that I'm just not seeing. The truncated descriptor enables the simple structure if the target is me in handlers for system messages and even application messages. That would still work if both the target and me used absolute references. Within scripts the engine seems to know what the target refers to, but looking at the string returned when asking for the target we should expect confusion if there are two such objects with the same name. Curious inconsistency What are the relative timings of handlers in the message path vs. handlers outside? About twice as long, but as with many benchmarks with Transcript it hardly matters: twice as long sounds like a big deal, but on my 1GHz G4 that's still less than a microsecond. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: load database tables
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:47 pm, t wrote: Is there a command that stores the tables in an array or a scrolling field. Basically the answer is yes. Have a look under Documentation | Topics | Database Operations. The way to do it depends on whether you want to use an automatic query, revDataFromQuery or by using a record cursor. -- Rishi Viner PUREDATA Australia www.puredata.com.au ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Call vs Send
On Jun 9, 2005, at 9:51 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: What are the relative timings of handlers in the message path vs. handlers outside? About twice as long, but as with many benchmarks with Transcript it hardly matters: twice as long sounds like a big deal, but on my 1GHz G4 that's still less than a microsecond. :) Do you mean millisecond? I find addition to be less than a microsecond, but a path call is 8 to 15 microseconds for the 3rd invocation and up. A send or call takes 50 to 70 microseconds for the 3rd call and up. (2 short parameters) Maybe we should compare notes. This is on a dual 1.25 GHz G4. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Yahoo! RevCon West in one week! ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Call vs Send
On 6/9/05 6:23 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But to be honest, it's very rare that I use either call or send. Both are up there with do in terms of a modest amount of additional overhead needed to handle them relative to calls natively in the message path. On 6/9/05 8:51 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the relative timings of handlers in the message path vs. handlers outside? About twice as long, but as with many benchmarks with Transcript it hardly matters: twice as long sounds like a big deal, but on my 1GHz G4 that's still less than a microsecond. :) Are there stronger reasons for you to use call and send very rarely? I ask because I've been using send a lot. -- Dick ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Call vs Send
Dar Scott wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 9:51 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: What are the relative timings of handlers in the message path vs. handlers outside? About twice as long, but as with many benchmarks with Transcript it hardly matters: twice as long sounds like a big deal, but on my 1GHz G4 that's still less than a microsecond. :) Do you mean millisecond? I find addition to be less than a microsecond, but a path call is 8 to 15 microseconds for the 3rd invocation and up. A send or call takes 50 to 70 microseconds for the 3rd call and up. (2 short parameters) Maybe we should compare notes. This is on a dual 1.25 GHz G4. No, my bad: I slipped a digit. My times were: 0.00336 0.00871 Using this script: -- in button used to run the test: on mouseUp put 10 into tMax -- put the millisecs into t repeat tMax foo get the result world end repeat put the millisecs - t into t1 -- put the millisecs into t repeat tMax call foo of btn test get the result world end repeat put the millisecs - t into t2 -- put t1/tMax t2/tMax end mouseUp -- in card and in btn test: on foo return hello end foo Even so, a 5 microsecond difference isn't bad for most needs, esp. considering how rarely one truly needs to use either call or send. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Call vs Send
Dick Kriesel wrote: On 6/9/05 6:23 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But to be honest, it's very rare that I use either call or send. Both are up there with do in terms of a modest amount of additional overhead needed to handle them relative to calls natively in the message path. On 6/9/05 8:51 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the relative timings of handlers in the message path vs. handlers outside? About twice as long, but as with many benchmarks with Transcript it hardly matters: twice as long sounds like a big deal, but on my 1GHz G4 that's still less than a microsecond. :) Are there stronger reasons for you to use call and send very rarely? I ask because I've been using send a lot. I don't feel too strongly about it one way or another. I just don't find myself needing send often in the stuff I'm doing. But if you need it I see no harm in using it. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Ten Reasons You're a Software Developer
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