[Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy
Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S33/94/41S36/ It is remarkable to watch electrons moving in a crystal evolve into more massive particles as we cool them down, said Ali Yazdani, a professor of physics at Princeton and head of the team that conducted the study. This is consistent with my belief that inertia is form of coldness and that coldness is something substantively real rather than merely being the mere absence of heat. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy
I am reconsidering old ontologies, discarded in the middle 19th century, as a jumping off point. This paper published in 1984 describes a little known experiment in radiant cooling done in the late 18th century by Pictet and repeated a few years later by Count Rumford. https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxxczzEYA5C5Rmg2b0ljZG9yaVk What we usually hear about Rumford is his canon boring evidence against the caloric theory of heat. However, less well known is his theory of frigorific rays.He held that cold emanations were as real as hot emenations and he interpreted the Pictet experiment as evidence of his theory. In the paper the radiant cooling effect observed is _qualitatively_ explained using modern radiantive heat transfer theory. However, the geometric symmetry of the experiment does not invalidate the existence of frigorific rays. Rumfords proposed a resonant model of radiation which could excite motion in materials (radiant heating) or dampen motioninmaterials (frigorific cooling). Th author of the paper points out some predictive difficulties with his model, but I think this comes from taking Rumfords ringing bell analogy too literally. Anyway what interests me was his intuition that cold is more than just the absence of heat, i.e. that cold has some positive existence. I think it is possible to redesign the experiment so that it would either clearly support Rumfords intuition or dispose of it. It is relevant to note that well before Rumford, Francis Bacon also regarded cold as having an independent existence from heat, although his particular of conceptions of cold as a contractive power and heat as an expansive power were different from Rumford's. Harry On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Interesting! We always thought of cold as the absence of heat, darkness as the absence of light, evil as the absence of good, weightlessness as the absence of gravity. Now, you are saying there is something that actually cancels heat instead of just removing it - an anti-heat? Can we find this concept in Quantum Mechanics? Can you elaborate? Jojo PS: This reminds me of a Bible passage which talks of a darkness that can be felt... Hey, maybe you're not too way off on this. - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:18 AM Subject: [Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S33/94/41S36/ It is remarkable to watch electrons moving in a crystal evolve into more massive particles as we cool them down, said Ali Yazdani, a professor of physics at Princeton and head of the team that conducted the study. This is consistent with my belief that inertia is form of coldness and that coldness is something substantively real rather than merely being the mere absence of heat. Harry
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
There were hints that an update by CBS was coming. I posted this in april: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65213.html Harry On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a listing of next week’s CNBC programing, the listing is correct and the show is new with the date of production as 2012. Axil On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, Thought I included the link. Not sure about the dates... http://www.cnbc.com/id/40795923/ On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From CE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET Cold Fusion Is Hot Again A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised to be cheap, limitless and clean but was quickly dismissed as junk science. Today, scientists believe that cold fusion, now most often called low temperature fusion or a nuclear effect, could lead to monumental breakthroughs in energy production. The Collider A report on the Large Hadron Collider, a massive scientific instrument located 300 feet underground the border between Switzerland and France. It has taken twenty years and $8 billion to build. With it, physicists hope to discover sub-atomic particles so tiny that they’ve never before detected, particles they think will explain how the universe has organized itself into so many different entities. The heading, 60 Minutes, confuses me. July 17 is a Tuesday... not Sunday. Can you supply link(s) to where this information was retrieved from? Googlilng the information hasn't been particularly helpful. Shoot! OTOH, your post is already Googable, as an archived vortex-l post. This is getting a bit circuitious. Thanks! -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power factor. I do not think so. I have heard Rossi is the one who wanted to make such a large reactor. But who knows. Rumors swirl around Rossi and the facts seldom come to light. - Jed Rossi's first customer was to be Defkalion. Harry
Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
Since the subject of economics has come I recommend this lecture by Guy Standing. The Precariat: The new dangerous class http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jJt-5i_dls Labour economist Professor Guy Standing identifies one of the alarming impacts of globalisation on the labour market; the rise of a new class of insecure workers - the precariat. He calls for governments world-wide to address the inequalities this new class suffer from, as we can't sustain what is happening without major threats along the way. He is an economist and has studied the effect of trade liberalisation on labour over the last 30 years and advocates a basic income for everyone. He uses the marxian concepts of a class for itself and a class in the making, and identifies the precariat as a class in the making. He answers five questions that structure his book: 1) What is the precariat? 2) Why care about it? 3) Why is it growing? 4) Who is in the precariat? 5) and where is it taking us as society? He breaks society down into 5 classes. at the top are the super rich 1. elite (super rich). 2. salariat 3. working class 4. precariat 5. underclass Harry On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Guenter Wildgruber wrote: Decent, humble scientifically oriented minds consider that, and are not distracted by possible billions. That is an absurd thing to say. People should be distracted by the likelihood that cold fusion is worth billions of dollars. I consider it grossly irresponsible to pretend it is not worth huge sums of money. I also dislike this Mandarin attitude toward money as being filthy lucre that should now sway a pure-minded academic scientist. I have heard this attitude from time to time, that there is something unseemly or morally wrong with making money. I strongly disagree, for the following reasons: 1. Money and wealth earned by legitimate means, without causing much harm or pollution, are socially beneficial. 2. Money promotes science, technology and exploration. One of the NASA people at WM had a slide with a great quote about this: If God had wanted people to go to space, she would have given them more money -- Mark Albert. 3. Money is a measure of social benefit, albeit a crude one. An invention that makes millions of dollars and causes no harm is good for humanity. An invention that makes billions of dollars and also causes no harm is even better for humanity. Cold fusion will earn trillions and save countless trillions more that would have been spent on fossil fuel. 4. Money is a measure of freedom. It allows people to live however they please. Someday in the future (and perhaps not in the distant future) robots will do all physical work. If we are smart enough to make an economy worthy of our technological genius, then every person on earth will be fabulously wealthy by present day standards. Every person will be free to do anything he or she pleases, every day of her life, the way a multimillionaire is today, or the way Thomas Jefferson was. This should be the birthright of any person born on the Earth or anywhere else in the solar system. Every baby should be welcomed with all food, water, education, Internet access and transportation he or she wants, for a lifetime, just for showing up. Go anywhere, live anywhere, do whatever you please. In such a society, some people may feel ennui or dissatisfaction, but that is the best and most fulfilling future we can hope for. On balance I am confident that most people will contribute more to human happiness and creativity in those circumstances than they would in today's world where you have to work to make a living. To achieve that we must have much more technology and more money. Fewer material resources perhaps, but lots more computing power. Every person will need something like a hundred Watson-class supercomputers at his disposal. Every person deserves that. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
I wrote about Guy Standing's class analysis: He breaks society down into 5 classes. at the top are the super rich 1. elite (super rich). 2. salariat 3. working class 4. precariat 5. underclass It is actually 6 classes. I forgot the proficians. 1. elite 2. salariat 3. proficians 4. working class 5. precariat 6. underclass This clip discusses these classes in more detail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYoaV6f78wM Harry
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
In a business setting I would say the operative word is ally rather than friend. Harry On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Since you [Jed] know him so well, please explain this dichotomy in rossi's relationships with people; what makes a person a snake and a clown and what makes a person a valuable friend. A razor's edge. Exactly! It might also be compared to quantum entanglement. All of us who try to deal with Rossi play the role of Shrodinger's cat. It is impossible to know -- even in principle -- whether you are presently alive or dead to him. After a while you stop caring, which is why, for example, I am typing this message. Or . . . am I?!? See also: Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field -- http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Reality_Distortion_Field.txt A reality distortion field. In [Job's] presence, reality is malleable. He can convince anyone of practically anything. It wears off when he's not around . . . . . . [J]ust because he tells you that something is awful or great, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll feel that way tomorrow. You have to low-pass filter his input. And then, he's really funny about ideas. If you tell him a new idea, he'll usually tell you that he thinks it's stupid. But then, if he actually likes it, exactly one week later, he'll come back to you and propose your idea to you, as if he thought of it. This is the mark of genius and also of a sociopath. Jobs was both. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Eventually, as ebooks become more ubiquitous, these ridiculous vestigial throw-back visual aids will go away. The younger generation will not care since most of what they read will be in electronic format. Maybe, but I would like an ebook made with epaper. It would be similiar to an artist's sketch book which consists of blank pages. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons
a mass uprising? harry On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 2:08 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Oh come on... just one more? What do you call an elevator going up filled with Higgs bosons? -m
Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons
Good one. I shared this on facebook. Harry On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012 and the type 13 planets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDKo7pTwIwA Quit looking!
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
Someday this might be a common mode of personal transport. http://www.base24.com/ harry On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: For me personally, as I was flipping through the pages of this digital publication on my monitor screen I began to realize how ridiculous this contrived use of technology was being used for. It was being used in such a half-assed way. There is absolutely no valid reason to try to continue mimicking the illusion of flipping through individual pages on a monitor screen - Some of the early word processors imitated a typewriter, only allowing you to add text at the bottom. You had to scroll down the page to make corrections. New technology usually imitates the old, even when it would be easier not to. Early clay baskets were often made to look as if they were woven, which must have taken a lot of work. I discussed this in Chapter 7 of my book. In that same chapter I discussed Christensen's book, which I highly recommend. I have been in contact with Prof. C. from time to time about cold fusion. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
Santa merges with Bozo the Clown http://youtu.be/W1QocuhhXK4 Harry On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. AFAIK Santa existence is still sponsored by toy industry. As much as the Santa Claus TM helps selling toys to kids, so much the Santa Boson TM is used to help raising funds among politicians. mic 2012/7/7 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com: On 2012-07-07 21:27, Susanna Gipp wrote: Nice speculation. More or less is like to speculate on the possible impacts to the toy industry if Santa Claus is real. As Jed noted, what's interesting is not the content, but rather the venue. The Journal of Petroleum Technology [1] where this article got published is a reputable publication in its field, from what I gather. By the way, it apparently got linked on ECW by one of its authors, Steve Jacobs. They appear to take this matter seriously (co-author David Nagel certainly does. You might have read about him if you followed LENR-related news over the past years). Your Santa Claus reference is inappropriate. “I am from the petroleum industry and LENR is now being watched closely. An article was just published in the July Journal of Petroleum Technology. I authored it. LENR is definitely on the radar.” Cheers, S.A. [1] http://www.jptonline.org/
Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
I just want to remind people that the claimed operating temperature of 600C is not new. When Rossi presented the ecat in Jan 2011, he said the core would reach temperatures around 600C, but the heated water only just boiled. Now he claims the core is stable at 600C but he is not doing anything with the generated heat. Is this progress or puffery? Harry On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Recently it has been reported that the latest version of the Rossi ECAT can operate at 600 degrees centigrade or more without going unstable. This is a remarkable improvement if accurate and it is suggested that the proof will be delivered soon. The earlier versions of the device tended to become unstable when the temperature increased much beyond the operational level and now that appears to be under control. To operate in such a manner suggests that the mechanism which establishes the LENR activity is mostly independent of temperature of the device. Actually it might imply that now there is a form of negative feedback operating which tends to throttle back the energy generation process once a threshold temperature is reached. I have long hoped that the driver source could become independent of the output states in LENR devices since that would devoice the devices from the strong temperature effects that have made stability a big problem to contend with. Imagine how wonderful it will be if we are able to control the reaction by just changing the drive with minor temperature degradations. There has been a lot of recent activity related to carbon nanotubes and variation in the waveforms driving the LENR devices. Perhaps Rossi has found a good combination of hydrogen storage with release control and an electrical signal that work together as a system. Time will reveal if all or any of this is true. Maybe someone within the group has knowledge of the operation of the Patterson cells which seemed to use an electric current as the control handle. Was that device sensitive to temperature in the manner associated with positive feedback or more benign as would be expected if negative feedback were dominate? I for one would welcome the improvements in the Rossi device that have been outlined, but have learned from experience that it is easy to say something remarkable but then not follow up with the goods. Perhaps this time we will see the results that we so much anticipate. Dave
Re: [Vo]:OT: Wall of Fire
short but sweet. Harry On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Here is another wall of fire in San Diego, where they accidentally shot off 20 minutes of July 4th fireworks in 15 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuJHfkXEI-o Sort of like a gigantic lightbulb. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/entire-san-diego-fireworks-show-exploded-in-15-seconds-ruining-show.html Tweet: Due to CA state budget cuts, San Diego downsized their annual bayfront fireworks show to a single firework. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons
Jeopardy style Boson Jokes for $1000 answer: mass pyschology question: what is .? Harry On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:44 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Jones, Urban decay?... well, perhaps if the bus drives around for several bosonic half-lives! You're great at Lawyering, and pretty sharp on Laws of physics, but in the Laughs dept... don't quit your day-job! :-) -m -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 4:23 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons Urban decay? -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton What do you call a bus full of Higgs Bosons? Mass transit? :-)
Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons
What do you call the coverage given to the God particle? harry On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Mass Hysteria.
Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Jeopardy style Boson Jokes for $1000 answer: mass pyschology What is the treatment for the mass murder of trillions of Higgs Bosons? T hehe. The murder was brought about by mass psychosis. harry
Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
Rossi behaviour and speech is puzzling. ;-) I gave up in november trying to weave a coherent picture of his research. Harry On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:07 PM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Your puzzling is puzzling, Harry. Rossi is claiming (I think it was) 10 KWatts of power from a unit. There are few practical ways to measure that besides (in essence) boiling water. A gale of air? I will give you, that Rossi may not have simultaneously attained 600 degC and 10 KWatts. This is what an efficient electric power generator needs, so a shortcoming here could indeed show puffery. In either case, a useful device, at least for pool heating! How many gallons can you keep at 10 degC above ambient, with 10 KWatts ? Ol' Bab On 7/6/2012 3:25 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: I just want to remind people that the claimed operating temperature of 600C is not new. When Rossi presented the ecat in Jan 2011, he said the core would reach temperatures around 600C, but the heated water only just boiled. Now he claims the core is stable at 600C but he is not doing anything with the generated heat. Is this progress or puffery? Harry On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Recently it has been reported that the latest version of the Rossi ECAT can operate at 600 degrees centigrade or more without going unstable. This is a remarkable improvement if accurate and it is suggested that the proof will be delivered soon. The earlier versions of the device tended to become unstable when the temperature increased much beyond the operational level and now that appears to be under control. To operate in such a manner suggests that the mechanism which establishes the LENR activity is mostly independent of temperature of the device. Actually it might imply that now there is a form of negative feedback operating which tends to throttle back the energy generation process once a threshold temperature is reached. I have long hoped that the driver source could become independent of the output states in LENR devices since that would devoice the devices from the strong temperature effects that have made stability a big problem to contend with. Imagine how wonderful it will be if we are able to control the reaction by just changing the drive with minor temperature degradations. There has been a lot of recent activity related to carbon nanotubes and variation in the waveforms driving the LENR devices. Perhaps Rossi has found a good combination of hydrogen storage with release control and an electrical signal that work together as a system. Time will reveal if all or any of this is true. Maybe someone within the group has knowledge of the operation of the Patterson cells which seemed to use an electric current as the control handle. Was that device sensitive to temperature in the manner associated with positive feedback or more benign as would be expected if negative feedback were dominate? I for one would welcome the improvements in the Rossi device that have been outlined, but have learned from experience that it is easy to say something remarkable but then not follow up with the goods. Perhaps this time we will see the results that we so much anticipate. Dave
Re: [Vo]:Higgs found or not?
Found or made? The LHC is the mother and the laws of physics are the father. Harry On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Higgs are slowing you down. Free Higgs with integer spin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLyfBhi3xj4 Now we know we are more than two quarks and an electron. T
Re: [Vo]:Higgs found or not?
Anyway, now that the origin of mass has been found, perhaps the focus will finally shift to the origin of energy. Harry On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Found or made? The LHC is the mother and the laws of physics are the father. Harry On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Higgs are slowing you down. Free Higgs with integer spin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLyfBhi3xj4 Now we know we are more than two quarks and an electron. T
[Vo]:OT: Wall of Fire
Wall of Fire - Yves Klein http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfMlVXPS2aE Harry
Re: [Vo]:Big ice crystals and curved ice rods around volcano in Antarctica
Nice pictures. A breeze might cause water to form curving icicles as it freezes. harry On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:51 AM, David Jonsson davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi How can ice crystals grow to ths big size? Image is from around the volcano Mount Erebus at Antarctica http://lh5.ggpht.com/-EVQxlm4Fp1w/TB6EkSJ9NmI/Bw4/MOncMvTzN0Y/2009-12-3011.JPG?imgmax=800 More images of big crystals can be seen here http://erebus.nmt.edu/index.php/icecaves I also want an explanation to how ice rods can be curved as can be seen on several pictures http://lh3.ggpht.com/-2Bw7mgY461o/TB6EhYunyXI/Bws/QWXUvOFL3vg/2009-12-31103548.JPG?imgmax=800 http://lh3.ggpht.com/-XR5B_UJY8Ts/TB6EdzjddaI/BwQ/MhSMX9ETNfg/2009-12-31101131.JPG?imgmax=800 http://lh3.ggpht.com/-HvrH_hFFn1E/TB6EeWS3ZII/BwU/XLtFGnKQMBg/2009-12-31101441.JPG?imgmax=800 I have never sen this in Sweden. Please explain the processes involved in determining crystal size. Hälsningar David
Re: [Vo]: European commission recommends funding for LENR research
I haven't read the report myself, but I learned from a facebook group that it contains a recommendation by some contributing professionals for research into LENR which is not the same as an official recommendation by the commission. harry On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com wrote: The European Commission - Directorate-General for Research and Innovation has published a report in which they recommend funding research in LENR. http://ec.europa.eu/research/industrial_technologies/pdf/emerging-materials-report_en.pdf Does this mean that the topic will finally get mainstream recognition ?
Re: [Vo]:Mills : Solid State eCat ?
You would need control version that has same dimensions and electrical inputs as the Ecat, but which lacks a nuclear active environment (NAE). harry On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: How would one measure COP in a Solid State e-cat? On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: The New Solid State E-Cat http://pesn.com/2012/06/30/9602121_Solid_State_E-Cat/ When first introduced to the world, Andrea Rossi's E-Cat required a flow of water to remain stable, even at low temperatures. Now, he has developed a new solid state high temperature model that is stable at temperatures even higher than 600C -- with no cooling needed! -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:Mills : Solid State eCat ?
Load one ecat unit with hydrogen and leave an identical ecat unit unloaded and compare the temperature difference after electricity is applied. harry On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: You would need control version that has same dimensions and electrical inputs as the Ecat, but which lacks a nuclear active environment (NAE). harry On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: How would one measure COP in a Solid State e-cat? On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: The New Solid State E-Cat http://pesn.com/2012/06/30/9602121_Solid_State_E-Cat/ When first introduced to the world, Andrea Rossi's E-Cat required a flow of water to remain stable, even at low temperatures. Now, he has developed a new solid state high temperature model that is stable at temperatures even higher than 600C -- with no cooling needed! -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:Off topic, if you get depressed
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 5:17 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Watch Diane about 20 times and you will feel better. http://dianerenay.com/Diane'sVideos.html No kidding Frank hehe this is swell too... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjKlnXzE-Dk harry
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
Even if you are caged like zoo animal, or work in labour camp or struggle to make ends meet, everyday you will have the free will to acquiesce. Harry On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It sounds like you should author a new book titled 'The Matrix'(joking of course). I hope that we are of free will and have at least a small say as to how our lives are to proceed. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 9:43 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis These theories are all well and good; but, there are much greater possibilities regarding the evolution of sentience. If you are unfamiliar with Childhood's End, I would highly recommend a reading. There are many who believe the hive mind is more of the rule than the exception. It certainly appears to be the case in nature. The flight of birds such as in the beginning of Take Shelter or this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH-groCeKbE implies an innate extrasensory form of communication. In Childhood's End, it takes the tranquility created by the Overlords for the mankind hatchling; but, in other scifi, the mind merge is created by such as the internet. One could certainly expect that when our wet ware links are installed as predicted by Gibson in Neuromancer. Indeed, Whitley Streiber (et. al. - no pun intended) has conjectured that the hive-minded little abductors who walk in lockstep while probing his nether regions are actually time travelling humans who have returned to the past in hopes of retrieving those genes which allowed individual thought. Maybe we are the exception using EM waves to communicate. Maybe most nascent sentience uses quantum entanglement for communication. Indeed we are living in a fairly old universe. Maybe we are just pets or a zoo for more mature species. It goes on. I won't. T
[Vo]:OT:The aging brain: Why getting older just might be awesome
The prevailing wisdom is that creative endeavors are good for helping to slow the decline of our mental capabilities. But what if, in fact, the aging brain is more capable than its younger counterpart at creativity and innovation? It's a compelling proposition in our society, where more and more seniors are looking for jobs and going back to work (the number of working seniors has more than doubled since 1990, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics); where ageism is rampant in many areas (particularly hiring); and where innovation is, for the most part, considered a young person's domain. http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/19/health/enayati-aging-brain-innovation/index.html Harry
Re: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons (hydrinos)
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: It is easy to go over the top with dramatization on this one. This scenario does not need to involve parallel universes (in the SciFi sense) nor anything theological. In fact, Dirac's reciprocal space works fine - as the repository for deep hydrinos, and with no other fictional baggage so to speak. It is related to theology (or at least quasi-theology) since most physicists have faith in CoE. If they didn't they wouldn't bother to imagine neutrinos and parrallel universes. Harry BTW - for those who do not grasp what actually happened in the EPRI reports, here is a short synopsis of Ahern's experiments. First, there is a well insulated reactor with numerous RTDs for accurate temperature measurement. The reactor is filled with pressurized hydrogen and various sample nanopowders - including an inert control powder. There is a resistance heater, drawing in the tens of watts. The current is kept absolutely constant to the heater, so that there is no variation on P-in during the run. With the 'control', you will find from datalogging that a specific rate of thermal transfer occurs between the outer RTD, where the heater is located and the inner. Hydrogen under pressure is a good conductor of heat so this is normally only a few degrees. For example, in the control setup (no active powder) one might see 350C on the outside and 340C on the inside. The difference is minimal and never varies. OK - when one switches from the control to active nanopowder, things get interesting and if there is excess energy from the interaction of hydrogen with the powder, there will be an inversion, so that the inner RTD becomes hotter - often much hotter than the outer. That happens with nano-nickel, and the resulting temperature can be close to 100 degrees inverted. This is NOT calorimetry, but there are implications to be firmed up on further experimentation. The interesting part (for this thread) is that with Titanium nanopowder, instead of a temperature inversion indicating gain, you get an anomalous sink. For instance, instead of an expected 10 degree drop (out-to-in) the spread can be much higher, an order of magnitude perhaps, indicating active cooling. Any round numbers above are for illustration purposes only; but the results are shocking and significant in both anomalies - heat and cooling. And guess what, the cooling anomaly could be almost as important as the heating, in terms of new physics. EVEN IF THERE IS NO PATH TO COMERCIALIZATION - for an active cooling anomaly, it could be important if it points the way to an accurate understanding of the heat. That is where this is going. I haven’t heard a better explanation for active nano-cooling than the disappearance of matter from one spatial dimension into reciprocal space. This space may not be a true dimension, but a fractal instead. Fractal is being used in the original way to mean a fractional dimension. Plus, the matter which is lost may not be a neutron, per se, but instead a maximum-redundant hydrino. Essentially, what I think happens with nano-titanium cooling is that the nanoparticles - which are a strong Mills' catalyst - collapse to the full redundancy in one continuous step - where there is both heat release on shrinkage, followed immediately by massive heat loss. on the atomic level, when the hydrino essentially disappears into reciprocal space. The net result is active cooling. Why it only happens with titanium needs to be answered. Perhaps it is a momentum effect of some kind. E=mc^2 works both ways, apparently - and when mass disappears - in a dimensional sense, so does the corresponding energy it contained. This is seen as heat removal from a hot reactor. The active species does not have to be 'mirror matter' as in the original article - but if that helps in appreciating the view through Alice's 'looking glass' - good! ... it is kind of catchy, so let's keep it. Jones -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder The mystery of the eternal is now nothing more than CoE. Good find - and the implications are a bit convoluted. The curious thing is that mirror matter neutrons (or deep hydrinos) will explain anomalous heat loss quite nicely. As you may remember, Ahern reported that some of his Arata-style samples demonstrated anomalous heat LOSS (more of the samples show gain than loss, and only a few showed nothing). This paper, in fact - could explain anomalous heat loss better than anything I have seen thus far. BTW the all of the nanopowder samples which showed thermal loss were made of nano-titanium embedded in zirconia. All of the nickel and palladium samples showed gain. Jones Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? In a paper recently published in EPJ C¹, researchers hypothesised the existence of mirror particles to explain the anomalous loss of neutrons observed experimentally
Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...
ha! Harry On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Church of England (or possibly Conservation of Energy) On 18 June 2012 17:10, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: What does CoE stand for, I guess it means in a closed system? Thy symbols dont match the words very well, so I cant find the meaning
Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...
I don't think concept of entanglement is required. Here is what I mean by complete. An entity is complete when its presence *can* be detected (not that it must detected). Unlike other particles Neutrinos do not scatter, as far I know. A particle which can be scattered can be detected without destruction, so it is complete without destruction. If Neutrinos are more than just mathematical fictions, but cannot be scattered, then they remain incomplete until they are detroyed during an interaction. Harry On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:59 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: That is an interesting comment Harry. Are you suggesting that the neutrino is entangled with an electron other than the one released at the time of the decay? The oscillation between flavors of neutrinos makes that seem strange as it would require the end receptor to change with distance and thus time. Is the release of a neutrino significantly different than the release of a gamma ray regarding energy escape from a nucleus? Please explain what you mean by the statement that they remain incomplete until they interact. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:48 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE... With respect to neutrinos and beta decay, CoE may be a possibility rather than a necessity. Neutrinos would be regarded as incomplete entities at the moment of their creation. They remain incomplete until they are destroyed during a subsequent interaction. As long as they never interact, they remain incomplete and CoE remains only a possibility rather than a necessity. Harry On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hence, when someone adamantly relies on CoE, saying that such and such is impossible since it would violate CoE, they are not a scientist in my mind. I don't know about the not a scientist part, but I personally have no profound attachment to CoE. :) Assume that CoE is understood today as: Eout - Ein = 0 What if, instead, it were really: Eout - Ein = k for very small k, or, more interestingly, Eout - Ein = f(t) for f(t) ~ 0 at this time. Scientists see fit to posit parallel universes and dark energy and so on, so I see no reason to conclude that the known universe is a closed system. Perhaps, every time there is a reaction that involves electromagnetic radiation, you get a little less out than goes in, and we just balance the books with neutrinos and other gimics that would make Enron proud. My earlier comments were a futile attempt to understand how a LENR reaction involving titanium could be endothermic. It's probably not all that difficult, as it turns out, and my lack of understanding of thermodynamics was getting in the way. Eric
Re: [Vo]:OT: Please! Let's do our part and keep OFF-TOPIC off this list!
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: That's life. People are what they are. It isn't as if we have a better class of primates waiting in wings, prepared to take over the world and correct the problems caused by our nature. I hope not, anyway. I have not seen Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Movies like that frighten me. I can barely watch the trailer. It looks pretty good. They want man's red flower http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDzlhW3XTM ;-) harry
Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...
The apparent lack of anti-matter in the universe is also conundrum from the standpoint of CoE. harry On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hence, when someone adamantly relies on CoE, saying that such and such is impossible since it would violate CoE, they are not a scientist in my mind. I don't know about the not a scientist part, but I personally have no profound attachment to CoE. :) Assume that CoE is understood today as: Eout - Ein = 0 What if, instead, it were really: Eout - Ein = k for very small k, or, more interestingly, Eout - Ein = f(t) for f(t) ~ 0 at this time. Scientists see fit to posit parallel universes and dark energy and so on, so I see no reason to conclude that the known universe is a closed system. Perhaps, every time there is a reaction that involves electromagnetic radiation, you get a little less out than goes in, and we just balance the books with neutrinos and other gimics that would make Enron proud. My earlier comments were a futile attempt to understand how a LENR reaction involving titanium could be endothermic. It's probably not all that difficult, as it turns out, and my lack of understanding of thermodynamics was getting in the way. Eric
Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...
With respect to neutrinos and beta decay, CoE may be a possibility rather than a necessity. Neutrinos would be regarded as incomplete entities at the moment of their creation. They remain incomplete until they are destroyed during a subsequent interaction. As long as they never interact, they remain incomplete and CoE remains only a possibility rather than a necessity. Harry On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hence, when someone adamantly relies on CoE, saying that such and such is impossible since it would violate CoE, they are not a scientist in my mind. I don't know about the not a scientist part, but I personally have no profound attachment to CoE. :) Assume that CoE is understood today as: Eout - Ein = 0 What if, instead, it were really: Eout - Ein = k for very small k, or, more interestingly, Eout - Ein = f(t) for f(t) ~ 0 at this time. Scientists see fit to posit parallel universes and dark energy and so on, so I see no reason to conclude that the known universe is a closed system. Perhaps, every time there is a reaction that involves electromagnetic radiation, you get a little less out than goes in, and we just balance the books with neutrinos and other gimics that would make Enron proud. My earlier comments were a futile attempt to understand how a LENR reaction involving titanium could be endothermic. It's probably not all that difficult, as it turns out, and my lack of understanding of thermodynamics was getting in the way. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons
The mystery of the eternal is now nothing more than CoE. Harry On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Good find - and the implications are a bit convoluted. The curious thing is that mirror matter neutrons (or deep hydrinos) will explain anomalous heat loss quite nicely. As you may remember, Ahern reported that some of his Arata-style samples demonstrated anomalous heat LOSS (more of the samples show gain than loss, and only a few showed nothing). This paper, in fact - could explain anomalous heat loss better than anything I have seen thus far. BTW the all of the nanopowder samples which showed thermal loss were made of nano-titanium embedded in zirconia. All of the nickel and palladium samples showed gain. Jones -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder What drives such theory making is the need to uphold CoE. Harry Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? In a paper recently published in EPJ C¹, researchers hypothesised the existence of mirror particles to explain the anomalous loss of neutrons observed experimentally. The existence of such mirror matter had been suggested in various scientific contexts some time ago, including the search for suitable dark matter candidates. http://phys.org/news/2012-06-neutrons-parallel-world.html
Re: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons (hydrinos)
Since the subject has arisen, it is worth mentioning that the spontaneous generation of matter happens in steady-state cosmological theories propounded by Fred Hoyle and others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady_State_theory Harry On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 1. If a neutron can disappear into the vacuum, then: 1a. Can a neutron pop INTO this space (spontaneous formation)? Let me just say this. There have been for a long time - reports of spontaneous (anomalous) hydrogen showing up in extreme vacuum conditions. Hydrogen from nowhere, essentially. But that phenomenon, if true, has morphed into fringe religious bogosity so one hesitates to even mention it. There was an article in IE and it has been picked up here, for what it is worth: http://blog.hasslberger.com/2006/06/hydrogen_from_space_the_aether.html This is not the same as neutrons from nowhere, except that the neutron has only a short half-life, and you expect to see hydrogen in the end. Does that account for the hydrogen phenomenon, and if so, where is the decay energy? Does trans-dimensional transfer happen isothermally, regardless? (at least from the perspective of the host) That would be the only way it could happen. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons (hydrinos)
I think physical principles should be treated like fine clothes. Keep them but don't wear them all the time. Harry On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Let us not throw away the CoE too fast. I suggest that an solution will one day appear that does not do this. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:15 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons (hydrinos) 1. If a neutron can disappear into the vacuum, then: 1a. Can a neutron pop INTO this space (spontaneous formation)? 2. For every neutron that exits, does another enter this space (to balance things, remember CoE!)? 3. If either #1 or #1a are possible, and not #2, then CoE gets tossed out the window! Altho, for all practical purposes, CoE would still appear to be intact, BUT, if we can optimize the popping out of existence within some object, and it happens often enough, then it would be possible to violate CoE within that object. Jones just opened a can of worms... and the feast begins! :-) -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons (hydrinos) -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com They don't need to disappear into reciprocal space. This isn't about need Robin - it is about explaining results. Most of the time, of course, this kind of cooling reaction simply does not happen. Do you know of any other reports of anomalous cooling? Hydrino molecules can quite easily disappear into ordinary space. They can simply migrate through the atomic interstices of the container wall into the atmosphere. Yes, of course ... at least if they are real - then that is probably true. But in that case there is only excess heat - not anomalous cooling. IOW, that will not explain a cooling effect, as you acknowledge, so why mention it? The Ahern results are beyond any possible chemical effect. The purpose of the posting was to present a possible rationale involving a new kind of fractional hydrogen reaction, where the assumptions are very different. Net cooling instead of heating. The common denominator seems to be simple - if neutrons can do this disappearing act, then virtual neutrons (maximum redundancy hydrogen) can possibly do the same. In neither case am I claiming it is anything more than a remote possibility. When I opined that there could be some kind of momentum effect what I meant was that in certain circumstances the entire sequence from atomic hydrogen to virtual neutron happens as one unstoppable progression, unlike the Mills' hydrino - which is a sequential chain of reactions which occurs in up to 137 steps. After all, this thread is merely the start of a new hypothesis, at this time - with which to explain new phenomena which previously was beyond explanation. Maybe it will not survive more accurate objections, but one cannot disqualify it easily by suggesting that another unproved presumption (Mills hydrinos operating in only one way) makes it not possible ☺ simply because Mills himself may have overlooked another feature of a broader phenomena. Jones
[Vo]:Missing Neutrons
Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? In a paper recently published in EPJ C¹, researchers hypothesised the existence of mirror particles to explain the anomalous loss of neutrons observed experimentally. The existence of such mirror matter had been suggested in various scientific contexts some time ago, including the search for suitable dark matter candidates. http://phys.org/news/2012-06-neutrons-parallel-world.html
Re: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons
What drives such theory making is the need to uphold CoE. Harry On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? In a paper recently published in EPJ C¹, researchers hypothesised the existence of mirror particles to explain the anomalous loss of neutrons observed experimentally. The existence of such mirror matter had been suggested in various scientific contexts some time ago, including the search for suitable dark matter candidates. http://phys.org/news/2012-06-neutrons-parallel-world.html
Re: [Vo]:Criticism of piezonuclear experiments
If you read between the lines, they are accusing Cardone and Carpinteri of either incompetency or fraud. harry On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:20 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Remarks on Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.1863
Re: [Vo]:Criticism of piezonuclear experiments
Carpinteri responds to some of hic critics on Passerini's Blog (google provides a pretty good translation) http://22passi.blogspot.ca/2012/06/risposta-del-prof-carpinteri-gerardo.html Here Passerini catalogues and examines more of the virtrol and criticism levelled against piezonucleare. http://22passi.blogspot.ca/2012/06/dal-processo-sommario-frutto-di_12.html (I like Passerini's expression che energia dalle pietre which google translates as energy from the stones) harry On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If you read between the lines, they are accusing Cardone and Carpinteri of either incompetency or fraud. harry On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:20 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Remarks on Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.1863
Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:59 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Surface plasmons provide good examples of coherent charge currents. The electric field can also provide analogous coupling. A mechanical analog - One uncoupled freight train car traveling 50 km/h cannot climb a 10m hill - but the lead car coupled to 100 others moving at 50 km/h can easily Nice analogy. I believe that collisions involving many coherently moving charges cannot be reduced to high energy collisions involving single charged particles. I do like Storms's approach. I wonder whether the surface cracks serve as notch antennas which can focus incident fields many thousands of times. The fields must be focused millions of times according to Ed. The tracks keep the train of cars rigid otherwise a small bump would make the lead car veer off course. So either you need tracks or a smooth terrain. harry
Re: [Vo]:Another strange effect
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:33 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Guenter Wildgruber's message of Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:04:57 +0100 (BST): Hi, [snip] Piezoelectric effects could also create EM radiation that might affect the electronics of the detectors. The two kinds of dectors work differently, so it reduces the likely hood that the data were just artifacts. One criticism leveled against the bubble detector was that the signature bubbles were produced by sound/vibrations at the moment of fracture rather than neutrons. However, in my opinion this is *very* unlikely because not every sample that was fractured produced bubbles, only ones of certain chemical composition. Also the He3 detected neutrons in the same test samples as the bubble dector. Then there is also the evidence of a change in chemical composition at the fracture surfaces. harry Harry is making the rounds: Piezonuclear Fission Reactions in Rocks ( A. Carpinteri • G. Lacidogna • A. Manuello • O. Borla) http://theatomunexplored.com/wp-content/docs/Carpinteri_Rock_Mech_Eng.pdf ... Abstract: Neutron emission measurements, by means of He3 devices and bubble detectors, were performed during three different kinds of compression tests on brittle rocks: (1) under monotonic displacement control, (2) under cyclic loading, and (3) by ultrasonic vibration. ... It is also interesting to emphasize that the anomalous chemical balances of the major events that have affected the geomechanical and geochemical evolution of the Earth’s crust should be considered as an indirect evidence of the piezonuclear fission reactions considered above. ... Conclusions: Neutron emission measurements were performed on Luserna Stone specimens during mechanical tests. From these experiments, it can be clearly seen that piezonuclear reactions giving rise to neutron emissions are possible in inert non-radioactive solids under loading. In particular, during compression tests of specimens with sufficiently large size, THE NEUTRON FLUX WAS FOUND TO BE OF ABOUT ONE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE HIGHER THAN THE BACKGROUND LEVEL AT THE TIME OF CATASTROPHIC FAILURE. ... This is from a peer reviewed Springer Journal by some respected scientists. Now what does that mean, besides making your head spin? That, under certain natural conditions something like cold fusion occurs. Which is especially interesting for countries exposed to earthquakes like Italy or Japan. ( which are, in an epistemic sense, --please allow me this departure-- exposed to environmental irregularities, and not like us Germans which constructed a crystallized regular society and having very begnign environment like autobahns and moderate climate. Nothing unexpected happening here, Except: some explosions every 100yrs. But this is another story) One of the riddles is -and here we are again at the ominous 'reliability' issue, that there are some diffuse prewarnings, detected by organisms, which is considered quack science by most, because, well, it is so unreliable. As to be expected, the publication is received with utter suspicion, although the methodology, as far as I can see, is far above standard. As Abd Ul and others have claimed, extraordinary findings do NOT require extraordinary proof. An experimental finding, produced with state of the art methodology, is just that: a finding! The burden of proof is on the other side! Theoreticians nowadays seem to be utterly detached from the material conditions of experimentation. Instruments nowadays are so sophisticated that often they need their own theory of operation. Theoreticians overwhelmingly refuse that fact, that they are involved in this! The objections could be a) ad hominems ( sometimes justified, see rossi) b) questioning the methodology (see above) c) questioning the basics (ask the theoreticians WRT their axioms ) where (c) is the most interesting one. Actually this paper is eventually en par with Alfred Wegeners continental drift hypothesis, in that it questions the origin of the composition of the earth crust, which is, by conventional thinking the sole result of supernova explosions, which produced a certain composition of heavy elements in the planets (the stardust hypothesis, so to say) This is no easy matter, so to say. Guenther Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)
Based on evidence, the neutron is believed to be comprised of positive core surrounded by a negative shell: http://www.terra.es/personal/gsardin/news13.htm However in recent years there is evidence which suggests the neutron is comprised of three layers: a central negative core which is surrounded by a layer of positive charge which in turn is surrounded by an exterior negative shell. Harry On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I guess one could look at a neutron as being similar to a proton plus an electron but I am not sure that the exact analogy holds up under scrutiny. For one thing, when a neutron decays you get more out of it than the electron and proton. There is a pesky antineutrino and a substantial amount of energy released. The kinetic energy of a mass is equal to Mass * Velocity * Velocity /2. If you set the energy of an electron and a proton to be equal and solve for the velocity ratio you obtain the inverse square root of the mass ratio. I am neglecting relativistic effects since we are speaking of moderate velocities. You could get a fairly close idea of the proton velocity with temperature as you suggest by comparing it to a neutron, but I think the solution to the math above would be easier. One interesting point to consider is the strange energy behavior of a proton and electron combination. If they are in free space they find each other and radiate a significant amount of energy until the ground energy state is obtained. Even though the two are beginning to look like a neutron, energy is released into space. The hydrino hypothesis suggests that a lot more energy can be obtained by allowing the electron to move closer to the proton. If we continue in this manner, why does energy not be released the closer you bring the two components together? And to make manners worse, the neutron has more mass by a significant margin as compared to these two major constituents. Perhaps a neutron is much more complex than it appears. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 3:07 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR) To get a idea about the speed of the proton, it might be possible to make a comparison with the speed of the neutron at various temperature. This might be OK because the proton and the neutron are about the same size and weight. The neutron is just a proton and an electron together…Right! 2000K – hot - 7060 meters/second 330K – room temperature- 2870 M/S 20K – Real cold - 706 M/S On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:46 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Robin, I would think the velocity of the proton of the same energy as compared to an electron would be the square root of 2000 or 45 times slower due to the velocity squared relationship. Now, if the proton slows down much faster than the electron then the deceleration would be a lot greater. Perhaps 10 times greater? If you factor this into account then the radiation levels of the two particles are relatively close. What do you think? Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 1:35 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR) In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 01:12:10 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] I have long wondered whether or not protons generate bremsstrahlung radiation in the same manner as electrons. It seems that the charge is responsible for the radiation and not the mass unless you are suggesting that the slower rate of deceleration of a proton versus and electron as it travels through matter is the reason. Precisely. Furthermore the actual velocity of a proton is about 2000 times lower than that of an electron of the same energy (relativistic considerations aside). Would the same deceleration rate for either particle generate the same radiation effect? I suspect so. The flip side of this coin is that the proton would travel proportionally further as a result of the lower deceleration rate. Actually, I don't think they travel as far. I suspect this is because they are much slower, and consequently have more time to interact with the electrons of the atoms they pass through than an electron of equivalent energy. Alpha particles have even shorter trajectories. Besides, the positively charged particles tend to attract the electrons of other atoms, dragging them away from their parent atoms, whereas a fast electron pushes other electrons away, making them more inclined to simply move over a little rather then get stripped from their parent atom. This means that fast electrons don't get as many opportunities to dispose of their energy and hence travel farther. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)
This experiment is designed to see if neutrons can decay without emitting neutrinos. http://media.caltech.edu/press_releases/13520 If neutrons can that would conflict with the standard model. harry On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:08 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone accept the quark model for the neutron? I find it hard to reconcile anything of that nature with a three layer model. I would think that by now with all of the super accelerators that this would be well defined. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 12:46 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR) Based on evidence, the neutron is believed to be comprised of positive core surrounded by a negative shell: http://www.terra.es/personal/gsardin/news13.htm However in recent years there is evidence which suggests the neutron is comprised of three layers: a central negative core which is surrounded by a layer of positive charge which in turn is surrounded by an exterior negative shell. Harry On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I guess one could look at a neutron as being similar to a proton plus an electron but I am not sure that the exact analogy holds up under scrutiny. For one thing, when a neutron decays you get more out of it than the electron and proton. There is a pesky antineutrino and a substantial amount of energy released. The kinetic energy of a mass is equal to Mass * Velocity * Velocity /2. If you set the energy of an electron and a proton to be equal and solve for the velocity ratio you obtain the inverse square root of the mass ratio. I am neglecting relativistic effects since we are speaking of moderate velocities. You could get a fairly close idea of the proton velocity with temperature as you suggest by comparing it to a neutron, but I think the solution to the math above would be easier. One interesting point to consider is the strange energy behavior of a proton and electron combination. If they are in free space they find each other and radiate a significant amount of energy until the ground energy state is obtained. Even though the two are beginning to look like a neutron, energy is released into space. The hydrino hypothesis suggests that a lot more energy can be obtained by allowing the electron to move closer to the proton. If we continue in this manner, why does energy not be released the closer you bring the two components together? And to make manners worse, the neutron has more mass by a significant margin as compared to these two major constituents. Perhaps a neutron is much more complex than it appears. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 3:07 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR) To get a idea about the speed of the proton, it might be possible to make a comparison with the speed of the neutron at various temperature. This might be OK because the proton and the neutron are about the same size and weight. The neutron is just a proton and an electron together…Right! 2000K – hot - 7060 meters/second 330K – room temperature- 2870 M/S 20K – Real cold - 706 M/S On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:46 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Robin, I would think the velocity of the proton of the same energy as compared to an electron would be the square root of 2000 or 45 times slower due to the velocity squared relationship. Now, if the proton slows down much faster than the electron then the deceleration would be a lot greater. Perhaps 10 times greater? If you factor this into account then the radiation levels of the two particles are relatively close. What do you think? Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 1:35 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR) In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 01:12:10 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] I have long wondered whether or not protons generate bremsstrahlung radiation in the same manner as electrons. It seems that the charge is responsible for the radiation and not the mass unless you are suggesting that the slower rate of deceleration of a proton versus and electron as it travels through matter is the reason. Precisely. Furthermore the actual velocity of a proton is about 2000 times lower than that of an electron of the same energy (relativistic considerations aside). Would the same deceleration rate for either particle generate the same radiation effect? I suspect so. The flip side of this coin is that the proton would travel proportionally further as a result of the lower deceleration rate. Actually, I don't think they travel as far. I suspect this is because
Re: [Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream
I didn't think it would be enough, but a story on da web said it was a safe way to observe the transit. harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Robert robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: I used a pair of binoculars to project the image of the transit on to a dark surface. With a bit of eyepiece-focusing, the transit was quite clear. I think that the Venus blemish may be too small to be coherent with a simple pinhole. Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be interested to know if anyone was able to see the transit with a crude pinhole camera. I tried but the clouds would not co-operate. harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: welcome. Please do share if you find a better stream. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: thanks. Harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Best stream i found so far. http://www.ustream.tv/nasaedge Enjoy. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever! -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?
Maybe it was due to a terrestial LENR event belched up by volcano. Harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:59 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I agree with you Terry that it could likely be some form of solar event. Maybe you should check the historical sun spot record if available for that time frame to get some form of correlation. It also makes one wonder if similar, ever more powerful, events in history have resulted in a driving mechanism for evolution. The poor creatures around during such an occasion would not even know what hit them! If this type of event happens frequently in the history of life on earth one would expect DNA to have a built in mechanism to correct for a moderate radiation burst. I do recall reading about repeated sequences within our DNA and these bursts might indicate a good reason for that to be true. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 8:37 am Subject: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774? http://www.nature.com/news/mysterious-radiation-burst-recorded-in-tree-rings-1.10768 Just over 1,200 years ago, the planet was hit by an extremely intense burst of high-energy radiation of unknown cause, scientists studying tree-ring data have found. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11123.html Is it possible that our sun generated an unprecedented energy burst? T
Re: [Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream
thanks. Harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Best stream i found so far. http://www.ustream.tv/nasaedge Enjoy. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream
I'd be interested to know if anyone was able to see the transit with a crude pinhole camera. I tried but the clouds would not co-operate. harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: welcome. Please do share if you find a better stream. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: thanks. Harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Best stream i found so far. http://www.ustream.tv/nasaedge Enjoy. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever! -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
[Vo]:The Solowheel
Will the Solowheel supplant the Segway? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTjd5ZQq9aQfeature=related Harry
Re: [Vo]:Milky Way and Andromeda collision
Planck's law desrcibes radiation from a blackbody, and what is a blackbody? Well it is a manufactured entity, a physical model and models don't necessarily correspond with the rest of reality. Come to think of it all natural law may simply be based on contrived models of reality. If we become seduced by our models, we will unconsciously design experiments (build models) which validate a physical law to nth decimal place and learn nothing new. harry On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Eric Walker David Roberson wrote: If you want to find the best argument for nonlinearity in inverse power laws, such as when geometry changes fairly unexpectedly (into a paradigm shift), look no further than Planck’s Law (or Theory), which is/was a proven predictor of the relationship between frequency and emitted spectral energy for blackbody radiation. Max Planck, even 100 years ago suspected that his theory was breaking down the smaller he went, but this was not easy to prove, and the later geniuses who taught physics at University ignored his doubts and cast the whole thing into a “law” since they did not want to teach “theory”, and since it worked well enough. More recently, verification of the non-linearity in the power law basis behind Planck has finally been reported at MIT, but Wiki still calls it Planck’s Law instead of Max’s kludge. http://www.physorg.com/news168101848.html Planck’s law can be written in about a dozen different ways, with many different variables, and has changed over time to “fix” problems, and is considered an inverse fourth (or fifth for wavelength) power law down to the dimensions that he was familiar with 100 years ago. We already know that at nanometer geometry and ultraviolet wavelengths - it begins to fail, and eventually is off by three orders of magnitude at the level of quantum dots.
Re: [Vo]:re the alternative history of LENR
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: Just dozed off. While in that state I heard a wee voice utter Off with their heads! in French and a louder shout in english with a Shakesperian accent Kill all the lawyers!. What a nightmare! I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government. http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer/letter.html T In that regard the crime of treason should be eliminated. It only serves to aggrandize the state. harry
[Vo]:Piezonuclear Fission Reactions in Rocks
Every now and then a bold idea comes along which may (or will) significantly change our view of Earth's natural history... Piezonuclear Fission Reactions in Rocks: Evidences from Microchemical Analysis, Neutron Emission, and Geological Transformation http://vimeo.com/41901023 (from the 'Atom Unexplored' conference) harry
Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
In my brand of agnosticism you can't even assign a probability as he does. Harry On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: Nothing shocks me since Richard Dawkins admitted he was agnostic: Oh come now. He has been saying that for years. The same words are in his book. This reporter should check her facts. I admit I haven't read his book. I read all of his good friend's books, Douglas Adams'. At least Dawkins is not a militant agnostic: I don't know and NEITHER DO YOU!! T
[Vo]:Capsule Declared 'Mission Ready' for Record Freefall Attempt
Capsule Declared 'Mission Ready' for Record Freefall Attempt March 8, 2012 – The capsule that will bring Austrian pilot Felix Baumgartner to the edge of space for his attempt to set a new world record free fall is mission ready, according to the Red Bull Stratos science team. A stratospheric balloon will lift the capsule to more than 120,000 feet; then Baumgartner will jump out in an attempt to break four records held by Joe Kittinger and set more that 50 years ago. A spokesperson from Red Bull said the team hopes to achieve the 120,000-foot attempt this summer. On August 16, 1960, Col. Joe Kittinger of the United States Air Force set the longstanding highest ascent record, riding a balloon to 102,800 feet during the historic Excelsior III project, then leapt out and made the highest skydive on record. Baumgartner also hopes to become the first person to break the speed of sound without the protection of an aircraft, and set a record for the longest freefall (estimated at 5 minutes, 30 seconds) ... http://www.eaa.org/news/2012/2012-03-08_capsule.asp Harry
Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR
I would think the idea that one can take land to support a mate is agricultural notion of identity and integrity. Harry On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:42 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The definition of Yeoman is at issue. Its modern degeneration has virtually nothing to do with the original notion. Basically there was, once upon a time, recognition of the foundation of civilization -- primarily because civilization had only recently arisen. This is particularly true of northern Europeans who remained, very deliberately, uncivil until late JudeoChristianization. Part of the resistance to civilization is that young lovers cannot nest simply by virtue of the young man forcefully challenging a noble owner of some land and taking land necessary to support a mate and their children together without paying fees. The answer arrived at by wiser men than today's monied class -- men who were involved in building civilization from the ground up rather than coming in and simply taking credit -- was a recognition of homesteads as inviolable. Indeed, this is the origin of the Norse concept of the allodium -- the basis of allodial, as opposed to feudal, law. This all gets back to individual integrity: When a young man is broken by civilization in order to provide for and protect the formation of his family, more is broken than a mere uncivil spirit. In a very real sense, he is alienated from himself -- he is incapable of what you call conviction except in the travesties visited upon his mind by government and religion. On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: ___ Von: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com Paracelsus whose motto was: Let no man belong to another that can belong to himself. James, I understand this as a typical statement of a renaissance mind. But: Paracelsus was not a Yeoman. He was driven by his convictions. The same could be said by Erasmus, Gutenberg, Luther or Duerer. (sorry for the bias. Lets add Cervantes, who spent a significant part of his life in prison.) See Luther: Here I stand. I can do no other Cervantes was more reflective, BEFORE Descartes, btw. This is the 1500's, an axis time, as they say. My point is that there is no necessary connection of being a 'Yeoman' and being a constituent of advancing societal matters, being them scientific or other. If one associates them with leisure and material resources, they utterley spoiled it most of the time. See the british 'Yeomen' in the countryside nowadays. They rent their castles, or as London-city billionaires own a football-club but do not sponsor a research institution, not even talking about doing creative research on their own , as eg Lavoisier did. Nowadays we have young Facebook/Zuckerberg following the footsteps of Oracle/Ellison. An easy role-model. Make tons of money. Buy a big yacht. Some fancy houses. Add some power plus bullshit theses. Give the finger to everybody else. Here you are. Apple/Jobs ist just too difficult. Leisure primarily is just that: leisure. It is the interests of the moneyed class of its time, which directs society at large, and its talents in particular. It depends on the societal value system, what to do with it, especially, what those people, having it, think merits them some additional status within their tribe. See eg Bourdieu 'La Distinction' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Distinction Maybe I sound too much like a class warrior for Your taste. I'm not. I am just disgusted by the preferences of our contemporary 'leaders'. But maybe I'm misunderstanding what You are trying to say. Plus: I digress. This is probably utterly uninteresting to the vortex-crowd. Guenther
Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:03 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I would think the idea that one can take land to support a mate is agricultural notion of identity and integrity. Is sexual notion of identity and integrity. You know nothing of animal behavior. I know that some mates are impossible to please. ;-) harry
Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?
personally i don't believe nature (or god) balances the books for every process. we only need CoE to hold for our measuring instruments. harry On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:09 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: This concept is most interesting. I would assume that the energy required to overcome the electrostatic barrier must still be supplied and it would most likely be stolen from the strong force presentations. The nucleus mass deficit is substantially larger when a neutron is absorbed (Ni58 + Neutron = Ni59) than when a proton is forced into the nucleus against the barrier (Ni58 + Proton = Cu59). This supports that hypothesis. An interesting secondary occurrence is that the subsequent beta plus decay of the Cu59 into Ni59 represents the expelling of the same amount of charge as was previously absorbed. This second process demonstrates a relatively large mass deficit. The end result of the complete process is a near parity energy performance when compared to direct neutron absorption. Why the coulomb barrier energy is not lost is still blocked within my mind. Apparently stars run out of steam when they try to fuse Ni56 with an alpha particle to form Zn60. My calculations suggest the same occurrence if I assume that the activation barrier energy is lost into the mass of the Zn60 nucleus. I guess I must have a mental barrier that is difficult to overcome! Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, May 24, 2012 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? I guess this is also Frank Znidarsic contention: If the range of the strong nuclear force increased beyond the electrostatic potential barrier a nucleon would feel the nuclear force before it was repelled by the electrostatic force. Under this situation nucleons would pass under the electrostatic barrier without producing any radiation. Could this author's original idea that electron condensations increase the range of the nuclear foces be correct? http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter4.html harry On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: As another way to over come the coloumb barrier, I vaguely recall a paper proposing that the range of the strong force may reach further under some circumstances. Harry
[Vo]:Scientific American Blog essay contest
Scientific American Blog http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/05/24/fourth-fqxi-essay-contest/ Which of the basic assumptions of modern physics are wrong? Announcing the fourth Foundational Questions Institute essay contest Harry
Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR
This link provides a nice concise summary of evolutionary thought from the Greeks to the victorian age. http://library.thinkquest.org/C004367/eh1.shtml Darwin's account of evolution is over emphasized, but that doesn't mean it is worthless. Although the link says Lamarckian evolution has been discredited, there is some truth in Lamarck's account as work on epigenetics is revealing. Anyway, I think evolution is driven by many causes and Darwinian natural selection is just one of the causes. Harry On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: I find your attempt to equate Darwin with Newton rather amusing. If there ever was a field of pseudoscience, that is beholden to and extremely malleable to political pressure; it is the field that Darwin created with his swiss-cheese theory. While Newton created whole fields of legitimate science, Darwin and his science of Darwinism, neo-Darwinism and Darwinian Evolution is a quintessential example of how a legiitimate field of study has been turned into a mockery of political conformance. My beef is not with Darwin, but with how people turned the science of Darwin into a religion of humanism. Whenever someone proposes a theory, many times they come up with a proposition on how to falsily their theory. Well, Darwin came up with how to falsify his theory of Darwinian Evolution. Here is what he said about his theory and how to falsify it. If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find out no such case. Well, centuries after Darwin, other people have indeed found an organ that could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive slight modifications. The bacterial flagellum is one. The organ composing every other organ you have - the cell is another. And that organ you're using to read this post is another. There must be dozens, even hundreds of organs, processes, systems in your body that could not have been formed by numerous, successive slight modifications. By this criteria, Darwinian Evolution is FALSIFIED, and yet, anyone who questions Darwinian Evolution is automatically involved with pseudo-science and is labelled a pseudoscientist. Just as Cold Fusion is automatically labeled a pseudoscience. So my point is: If you are wondering why people like Huzienga, Parks, Zimmerman oppose Cold Fusion out of hand, just remember that if you believe in Darwinian Evolution, there is a Huzienga, Parks and Zimmerman in you. (I'll be docking away from your shots now.) Jojo I hate to think what would have become of Newton or Darwin had they not been among the relatively independent British middle (yeoman) class.
Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR
It is important to point out the fallicies but I do not think fallicies render a theory fatally flawed. A theory can still be useful and valuable even if the logic of the theory is not completely sound. For example, although it took over 150 years to provide calculus with a thoroughly logical foundation, that did not stop people from using it successfully. On the other hand it is annoying when an inconsistency is pointed out and the response is to dismiss it or explain it away without any real acknowledgement. Unfortunately that kind of response is to be expected when math replaces intuition in the art of theory making. harry On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: I hesitated to post my original critique of Darwinian Evolution; and it is the reason why I refrained from responding about Darwinian Evolution for so long - that is; that I value this forum so much, that I do not want to involve other topics in this forum other than Cold Fusion. I wish people would not use this forum for propaganda of their beliefs and then exclude other points of view; just like what Parks, Huzienga, and others are doing wrt to Hot fusion. If you want to take shots at people who do not believe in Darwinian Evolution, then be prepared to defend your position; albeit not in this forum. This will be my last reponse also. I am prepared to discuss the Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution with anyone; anyone without the mindset of Parks, Huzienga and others. That is, people who really what to know. Anyway, let me know where to go if you want to discuss the Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution. So, if your think that I am Completely wrong; if you think I know nothing about biology or evolution; my challenge to you is to identify a place or forum where you want us to discuss. I'll show up. You criticize Parks for not even looking at the science befind cold fusion; my challenge to you is - Are you prepared to look at the science behind the movement against Darwinian Evolution? Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR Sorry I opened this can of worms. One response only: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, centuries after Darwin, other people have indeed found an organ that could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive slight modifications. The bacterial flagellum is one. The organ composing every other organ you have - the cell is another. You are completely wrong. Factually wrong. Any advanced textbook on evolution will cover the development of flagellum and cells. You are quoting propaganda circulated by people who nothing about biology or evolution. These statements are as ignorant as claims that cold fusion violates the laws of thermodynamics, or that no reaction can produce more energy than it consumes, and therefore cold fusion is impossible. (I saw that recently!) I advise you not to comment on areas of science you know nothing about. One of the most important lessons of cold fusion is that in nearly every case, the experts who do the work and have studied the subject carefully are right, and ignorant people from outside the field are wrong. Many people imagine the situation is the other way around, and Fleischmann, Jalbert or Iyengar were outsiders challenging the authorities. People think the MIT plasma fusion scientists were the insiders who had knowledge of fusion. The MIT people themselves thought so. That was a reasonable assumption in early 1989, but it turns out their expertise is limited to plasma fusion. It does not apply to cold fusion. If you wish to say something in rebuttal I promise not to respond. I will let the matter drop. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?
As another way to over come the coloumb barrier, I vaguely recall a paper proposing that the range of the strong force may reach further under some circumstances. Harry
Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?
I guess this is also Frank Znidarsic contention: If the range of the strong nuclear force increased beyond the electrostatic potential barrier a nucleon would feel the nuclear force before it was repelled by the electrostatic force. Under this situation nucleons would pass under the electrostatic barrier without producing any radiation. Could this author's original idea that electron condensations increase the range of the nuclear foces be correct? http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter4.html harry On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: As another way to over come the coloumb barrier, I vaguely recall a paper proposing that the range of the strong force may reach further under some circumstances. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.
I think lights that are near death are prone to being influenced by the presence of people. So yes the light might turn on and off when you aren't near it, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that you had some infleunce at other times. Harry On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From Beaty, ... If you notice a *single* streelight turn off, it might just be Anthropic Principle. Meaning, that streetlight is slowly turning on and off constantly, but you only notice this when you're walking underneath, and then wrongly ascribe the cause as being your proximity. Human presence causes the bulb to be noticed, because without nearby human presence, the bulb isn't noticed. I had never heard of the term sliders, but based on the description given here I used to believe I had slider characteristics. I noticed that certain street lamps I passed, especially when I was driving in my car or walking past them at night would suddenly blink out. After several repeated encounters it seemed very obvious to me that my presence must have been responsible. However, what dissuaded me from a personal belief that I was the cause of the anomaly was the fact that I got curious and began to observe the same lamps more closely. After a more careful extended period of observations I noticed that the same street lamps which I thought my presence was somehow influencing were regularly turning off all on their own regardless of whether I was nearby or not. There was obviously something wrong with the streetlamp. I suspect they were overheating and something like an internal circuit breaker had been tripped. After they cooled down they would turn back on again. The curious anomaly had nothing to do with me. Grant me serenity over the street lamps I am unable to influence. The courage to influence the street lamps that I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:First Manned Rocket
since this story mentions the hollow earth theory, I would like to say that I think the theory is a unconscious comment on galilean relativity (the central myth of modern physics) where the relativity motion is based on observations made inside windowless room. Harry On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:12 AM, lorenhe...@aol.com wrote: Actually our common 'monkey' ancestors were test piloting rockets first. They were millions of years ahead of us. I guess the 'old saying that it's so easy a human can do it was true after all. Did the first manned rocket launch in 1961 carrying Yuri Gagarin? Or did it launch in 1933 carrying Otto Fischer? http://io9.com/5908728/did-the-germans-launch-a-crewed-rocket-into-space-in-1933 T /HTML
Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:56 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 15 May 2012 21:33:02 -0400: Hi, [snip] Yeah it has happened to me with a few street lights, but I thought it was just some sort of subtle electrical/vibrational connection between my body and a light which was nearing the end of its life. However, one night about 20+ years ago, I found I was able to turn a particular light on and off repeatedly by walking towards and away from it each time. Perhaps it has to do with the fair weather current, or in this case field. By walking toward the lamp the top of your head brings the ground closer to the lamp (because your body is filled with salt water, which is a reasonable conductor), thus changing the static field. The resultant high voltage change may be enough to trigger the circuitry of the lamp, causing it to turn on. This may only happens with lamps where the normal ground connection (if they have one) is broken . BTW it may also be related to whether or not your footwear is (somewhat) conductive (e.g. wet). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk Maybe. The hypothesis could be tested with a tall bladder filled with salt water sitting on remote controlled cart. Other curious phenomena such as water dowsing could be investigated with subitably constructed human analogues. harry
[Vo]:Dowsing research ignored
http://producer.glacieragweb.com/2003/05/water-witch-work-ignored/ Water witch work ignored Posted May. 8th, 2003 by Karen Morrison A university researcher is having trouble convincing his colleagues that water witching works. “They’re not willing to accept it. They say dowsing doesn’t exist,” said Vincent von Tscharner of the University of Calgary. In the three years since he completed his three-year study of dowsers, he has been unable to get his research peer-reviewed, a necessary step that precedes its publication in scientific journals. Von Tscharner said he made a strong case in a statistical analysis of nine different dowsers in blind and controlled experiments. Some were even placed inside enclosed trailers or blindfolded and pulled around sites, so they would not know where they were in a field, he said. Analysis using linear regression and computer simulations led to his conclusion that there had to be more than luck in the dowsers’ high success rate. A Swiss native educated in experimental physics, mathematics and biophysics, von Tscharner now works in the human performance lab at the university’s kinesiology faculty. He found a strong correlation between muscle activity in human subjects and geological fields below the ground. Convinced the dowsers are reacting to geological structures underground, he conceded it may not necessarily be water. He placed electrodes on the dowsers to gauge muscle activity. “When people walk into an active zone, you see a change in the muscle activity,” he said. “Active fields have an influence on the human body.” The experiments were repeated with dozens of non-dowsers, who also showed changes in muscle activity in active zones. Yet only dowsers seemed able to use that to advantage in finding the fields with their divining rods and tools. Yannis Pahatouroglou of the University of Saskatchewan’s physics department said further collaborative study is needed involving specialists in the fields of biology, physics and geology. “A joint effort rather than an individual one might be able to prove that,” he said. He said experiments would need meticulous measurements, untested sites and subjects sensitive to underground fixtures. That would need to be followed up with geological analysis and drilling to determine what is below ground. “Anyone can speculate, but for something to be accepted, you have to have experiments,” said Pahatouroglou. Von Tscharner said it will take time to convince classical physicists of his results. In the meantime, he continues to present his research at conferences in the hopes that one day his research will be published. He noted dowsers have long been used by farmers and well diggers to identify potential drilling sites. “The population doesn’t care what scientists say,” he said. “They use it because they know it works for them and if they didn’t work, they wouldn’t use it again.” harry
Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.
Yeah it has happened to me with a few street lights, but I thought it was just some sort of subtle electrical/vibrational connection between my body and a light which was nearing the end of its life. However, one night about 20+ years ago, I found I was able to turn a particular light on and off repeatedly by walking towards and away from it each time. harry On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:30 PM, David Jonsson davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com wrote: Check the definition if you need to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_light_interference_phenomenon I am a SLIder myself. I can turn off some lights just by passing by foot or bicyce. I discovered this by chance. I don't affect the light in any directly conscious way. It just happens. I hope I can put it on video but the problem is it only works with some lamps far away from where I live now. Anyone with car in Stockholm could help. And please bring courageous and honest witnesses. David David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370
Re: [Vo]:Correspondence about the rejected paper
Call me a moron, but without more context it is not obvious to me that this qualifies as an idiotic rejection letter. Harry On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The most idiotic rejection letter I have ever seen is here: http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/Lindley.jpg Ceratinly (sic) is! Dr. Lindley needs spell check! Ass. Editor my ass. T
[Vo]:Textbook electrodynamics may contradict relativity
--- Science magazine news report: Textbook electrodynamics may contradict relativity Heated debate foreseen on paper in press at Physical Review Letters. http://www.physicstoday.org/daily_edition/science_and_the_media/em_science_em_magazine_news_report_textbook_electrodynamics_may_contradict_relativity The inconsistency should be investigated experimentally as well. Harry
[Vo]:query about Los Alamos replication
Hi, Is there any documentation available on the web by the labs at the Los Alamos about their replication of Brillouin Energy's claims? Harry
Re: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-04-19 11:21, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Website: http://www.theatomunexplored.org/ The website is now live: http://theatomunexplored.com/ Cheers, S.A. ...and the conference will be streamed online on this page on May 4th, starting from 9.00 a.m. http://theatomunexplored.com/?page_id=74 Harry
Re: [Vo]:Can a Box Fly?
...but now I can't think outside of the box. ;) Harry On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: This one does by turning inside out: http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2012/04/flying-object-propels-itself-by-flipping-inside-out.html?cmpid=NLC|NSNS|2012-2304-GLOBAL|flyingobjectsutm_medium=NLCutm_source=NSNSutm_content=flyingobjects http://goo.gl/p2NdK Is that an iPhone controller? Nice background music, too. T
[Vo]:Lets go to Venus
Mars gets all attention, but Venus is actually more hospitable in the clouds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus Despite the harsh conditions on the surface, the atmospheric pressure and temperature at about 50 km to 65 km above the surface of the planet is nearly the same as that of the Earth, making its upper atmosphere the most Earth-like area in the Solar System, even more so than the surface of Mars. Due to the similarity in pressure and temperature and the fact that breathable air (21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen) is a lifting gas on Venus in the same way that helium is a lifting gas on Earth, the upper atmosphere has been proposed as a location for both exploration and colonization. A manned flyby mission to venus was planned in the 1970s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_Venus_Flyby Harry
Re: [Vo]:Lets go to Venus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjtmZ-P2KWc Harry On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Mars gets all attention, but Venus is actually more hospitable in the clouds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus Despite the harsh conditions on the surface, the atmospheric pressure and temperature at about 50 km to 65 km above the surface of the planet is nearly the same as that of the Earth, making its upper atmosphere the most Earth-like area in the Solar System, even more so than the surface of Mars. Due to the similarity in pressure and temperature and the fact that breathable air (21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen) is a lifting gas on Venus in the same way that helium is a lifting gas on Earth, the upper atmosphere has been proposed as a location for both exploration and colonization. A manned flyby mission to venus was planned in the 1970s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_Venus_Flyby Harry
[Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?
http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/which-is-better--dishwasher-or-washing-dishes-by-hand-.html A study out of the University of Bonn in Germany, reported by Pablo Päster in the May/June issue of EatingWell Magazine, found that washing a load of dishes (12 place settings) by hand uses on average 27 gallons of water and 2.5 kilowatt-hours of energy to heat the water-equivalent to running a hair dryer for 2 1/2 hours. (Not to mention the parental energy it takes to get your kid to wash all those dishes in the first place.) By comparison, an energy-efficient dishwasher uses about 4 gallons of water and 1 kWh of energy per load. (And over the course of a year, using the dishwasher saves more than 400 hours of labor!) Researchers also found that dishwashers cleaned better, as half of the hand-washers failed to reach an acceptable level of cleanliness. harry
Re: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?
Interesting, but can we learn to live with fewer dishes? Harry On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/which-is-better--dishwasher-or-washing-dishes-by-hand-.html A study out of the University of Bonn in Germany, reported by Pablo Päster in the May/June issue of EatingWell Magazine, found that washing a load of dishes (12 place settings) by hand uses on average 27 gallons of water and 2.5 kilowatt-hours of energy to heat the water-equivalent to running a hair dryer for 2 1/2 hours. (Not to mention the parental energy it takes to get your kid to wash all those dishes in the first place.) By comparison, an energy-efficient dishwasher uses about 4 gallons of water and 1 kWh of energy per load. (And over the course of a year, using the dishwasher saves more than 400 hours of labor!) Researchers also found that dishwashers cleaned better, as half of the hand-washers failed to reach an acceptable level of cleanliness. harry
[Vo]:CBS, Mckubre and cold fusion
Sterlling Allan interviews Brilliuon Energy. At 39 minutes someone says CBS is talking to Mckubre about following up their 2009 story on cold fusion . http://www.mevio.com/episode/313695/fen.120417 Harry
Re: [Vo]:CBS, Mckubre and cold fusion
actually its closer to 37 minute mark. On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Sterlling Allan interviews Brilliuon Energy. At 39 minutes someone says CBS is talking to Mckubre about following up their 2009 story on cold fusion . http://www.mevio.com/episode/313695/fen.120417 Harry
Re: [Vo]:bass and jed
At any rate the Frank Znidarsic quantity of (frequency) X (length) is conceptually intriguing, because it does not exist within the established oeuvre of physical meaningful quantities. Harry On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The Rydberg wavelength is a natural unit in all physics, given that hydrogen is 90% of the known universe. Nothing novel there. The problem - in making any sense out of Frank's constant is that (as he well knows) IR light is not a single frequency, nor even a characteristic frequency, but instead has a wide range of approximately 1 to 400 THz. If we were to use an average of 200 THz to be IR frequency then he could make an interesting prediction at 50 nm, but what about the fact that the trigger temperature in Ni-H is nowhere close to 200 THz. Oops... oh well... let's let an Alien Scientist try to rationalize or gloss-over that little problem ? Thus, the mild skepticism that megahertz-meter is anything more than a maybe at best, or a dart throw at worst... I like Frank, and his perseverance - and hope he is right, since it would be useful if correct - but there are too many lose ends here to get enthusiastic or even to use this value to design a meaningful experiment around. From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. Interesting. 45.6nm is also ½ the Rydberg wavelength and the natural unit of length in Dewey Larson's Reciprocal System of physics. -Original Message- From: fznidar...@aol.com 50 nano-meters ..is the magic domain that produces a detectable cold fusion reaction Jed Rothwell, Infinite Energy, Issue 29, 1999, page 23. 50nm times ir freq = 1 million meters per sec; Znidarsic's constant. Frankz
Re: [Vo]:Going viral
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The monolith from 2001 and beyond http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47024373/ns/technology_and_science-science/ Apparently the ratio of thickness to width to height impressed a lot of observers as being similar to the ACC novel, but the actual size is hard to determine. In 2001 the monolith ratio was 1-4-9 which relates to the square of 1-2-3 ... which was supposed to be some kind of clue. Thanks to Ron Kita for this info. One youtuber makes an impressive argument that the monolith in 2001 symbolizes the cinema screen. First of three parts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P95NWAHWLrc Harry
Re: [Vo]:Toyota demos 60 km/l hybrid prototype
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:49 AM, teamposit...@gmx.us wrote: A great looking car!! Love it or be lonely!! Your comments analysed here: http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/the_8_steps_to_be_unhappy_miserable_and_depressed ;) harry
[Vo]:gotoluc's novel motor
A novel motor design by gotoluc... part 1 http://youtu.be/GYoXmDvFqQs part 2 http://youtu.be/KnAeIE_NWjU Impressive torque for those volts and amps. hmmm Harry
Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation
I was under the impression the research done by Iwamura et al was among the most convincing in the LENR field! harry On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Iwamura's results are certainly interesting and worthy of replication, and there have been replication attempts, some of which appear to have failed (or, in a recent case, just published in the CMNS journal, there was an apparent transmutation product that was identified as being, instead, a molecular ion with similar weight). It's a complicated story that I'm not going to research and write about here. Ah, yes. This reminds me of these slides by Apicella and others: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ApicellaMmassspectr.pdf. A cautionary tale, indeed. Thanks for bringing this up. Do you have any additional references on this topic, even if you're not following it closely? Eric
Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: At 01:34 AM 4/11/2012, Eric Walker wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Iwamura's results are certainly interesting and worthy of replication, and there have been replication attempts, some of which appear to have failed (or, in a recent case, just published in the CMNS journal, there was an apparent transmutation product that was identified as being, instead, a molecular ion with similar weight). It's a complicated story that I'm not going to research and write about here. Ah, yes. Â This reminds me of these slides by Apicella and others: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ApicellaMmassspectr.pdfhttp://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ApicellaMmassspectr.pdf. Â A cautionary tale, indeed. Â Thanks for bringing this up. Â Do you have any additional references on this topic, even if you're not following it closely? Well, this is the recent paper: http://iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol6.pdf TOF-SIMS Investigation on Nuclear Transmutation from Sr to Mo with Deuterium Permeation through Multi-layered Pd/CaO A. Murase, N. Takahashi, S. Hibi, T. Hioki, T. Motohiro and J. Kasagi Page 34. (PDF page 43.) Disappointing result, eh? While the book is not absolutely closed, and if Murase et al have correctly analyzed their data, this is a true replication. It confirmed Iwamura's actual results (the peak at X-96), but demonstrated artifact with more careful measurement and analysis. It is not an exact replication since they used a different implantation method. Harry Iwamura might come back with a response, but will need to address the specific possible artifact. We are seeing here one of the dangers of single-result experimentation. The most solid cold fusion work has been work that measured both excess heat and helium, and that showed correlation over many cells. So each experiment produces two results: anomalous heat and anomalous helium. There is little reason why an artifact with one would produce a matching artifact with the other! (yes, you can imagine that a hot cell might leak more, which ignores the fact that, first of all, one of the research groups (McKubre) was using isothermal calorimetry, so the cell was maintained at a constant temperature, whether there was anomalous power or not. And then another (Italian, ah, this memory is a bit spotty, Krivit tried to impeach this work and didn't have a clue about what they had actually done) did not exclude ambient helium, so they were only measuring elevation above ambient). And isn't it amazing that somehow the leakage would allow *just the right amount of helium*, out of a wide range of possibilities? No, heat/helium, once demonstrated and replicated, should have damn near ended the controversy. Miles was 1993. Just to show how long the silly charade went on. Miles did not demonstrate the mechanism, though Preparata got a few points for predicting the helium. But, from Miles, confirmed by more accurate measurements later, it's fusion. Get over it.) (If W-L theory were more plausible, I'd consider allowing that neutron induced transmutation, even if it takes deuterium and makes neutrons from it, and leaves behind helium, is not *exactly* a fusion mechanism. But it's not plausible, given the utter lack of experimental confirmation and the multiple miracles it requires.)
[Vo]:10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals
starts today... http://www.iscmns.org/work10/ 10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals 10-14 April 2012 Harry
Re: [Vo]:Remote Joule heating in Carbon nanotubes
dare I say it? cool. harry On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Mark Iverson markiver...@charter.net wrote: FYI: http://phys.org/news/2012-04-carbon-nanotubes-weird-world-remote.html This is a new phenomenon we're observing, exclusively at the nanoscale, and it is completely contrary to our intuition and knowledge of Joule heating at larger scales-for example, in things like your toaster, says first author Kamal Baloch, who conducted the research while a graduate student at the University of Maryland. The nanotube's electrons are bouncing off of something, but not its atoms. Somehow, the atoms of the neighboring materials-the silicon nitride substrate-are vibrating and getting hot instead. The effect is a little bit weird, admits John Cumings, an assistant professor in the Department of Materials Science and Engineering who oversaw the research project. He and Baloch have dubbed the phenomenon remote Joule heating. An Unreal Discovery For the UMD researchers, the experience of the discovery was like what you or I might have felt, if, on a seemingly ordinary morning, we began to make breakfast, only to find certain things happening that seem to violate normal reality. The toast is burned, but the toaster is cold. The switch on the stove is set to HI and the teapot is whistling, but the burner isn't hot. Of course, Baloch, Cumings and their colleagus weren't making breakfast in a kitchen, but running experiments in an electron microscopy facility at the A. James Clark School of Engineering at the University of Maryland. They ran their experiments over and over, and the result was always the same: when they passed an electrical current through a carbon nanotube, the substrate below it grew hot enough to melt metal nanoparticles on its surface, but the nanotube itself seemed to stay cool, and so did the metal contacts attached to it.
Re: [Vo]:Remote Joule heating in Carbon nanotubes
The article makes it appear as if they stumbled on the effect, but the abstract (click link at end of article)makes it clear they were looking for the effect because some new models of joule heating predicted it. harry On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just some kind of Inductive Heating? I don't see why this would be something new.
[Vo]:OT: Happiness Summit
With nods to Buddha and Aristotle, a United Nations expert panel on Monday called for all countries to measure and track the happiness of their people, and to adopt a “a very different model of humanity” oriented toward subjective wellbeing rather than per capita gross national product. http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/03/world-happiness-report-canada/ Harry
Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
Yes, I will pass that on. Thanks to Jed's library I found the orginal journal paper by Iwamura http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IwamuraYelementalaa.pdf and his follow up presentations at the ICCF meetings Kowalski says the work by Iwamura was duplicated by a group led by Akito Takahashi of Osaka University http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/105iwamura2.html but I can't find a report or document devoted to the Osaka duplication. Is there such a document or is the work described inside another document by Akito Takahashi? harry On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Finlay MacNab finlaymac...@hotmail.com wrote: Iwamura's transmutation experiments are very convincing. They confirm their results by three advanced instrumental techniques, secondary ion mass spectrometry(SIMS), x-ray photoelectron spectroscopy(XPS), and x-ray fluorescence spectroscopy (XRF). These three measurements confirming each other are very difficult to refute. Each one is astounding in it's own right, together they are extraordinary. Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:57:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jed, I already sent him these links as a place to start. * Arata replication by Kitamura et al. and Kidwell et al. http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=679 * PHYSICS LETTERS A . doi:10.1016/j.physleta.2009.09.026 Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids A slide show presentation: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Carpinteripiezonucle.pdf My impression is he has been tasked with preparing a survey of the field so he is looking for help gathering the best experimental research. Harry On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I was recently informed by a canadian physicist that he has been asked to gather new FACTUAL information ... on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions and he welcomed information from me that I believed to be factual. Tell him I have uploaded several thousand pages of FACTUAL information here: http://lenr-canr.org/ Plus some highly imaginative stuff in the theory section and some experiments I do not find credible. The problem is, you can't tell which is which. There is no magic touchstone for truth. On behalf of the researchers and myself, I kind of resent it when people say they are looking for FACTUAL information and they cannot find it. I would ask: Have you tried looking in a university library? Have you tried Google? CERN or the ENEA? Where would you expect to find FACTUAL information? This is the 21st century. The biggest difference between now and the 20th century is the ease with which we can find information. And misinformation. If your friend is looking for misinformation on cold fusion, try the Scientific American or Wikipedia. They do resemble a magic touchstone. Take whatever they say, and assume the opposite is true.
Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves
There is also no shortage of things that need doing. There is just a maldistribution of income. Harry On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: The individuals employed there will be fine. Their energy expenses will be cut by about 10 x. Every item they buy will cost about a 1/4 of what it does now. The way we should reduce unemployment if rossi or defkalion really do have something is to shorten the work week. There is no reason people have to be working 40 hours a week in a society with nearly free energy and seemingly endless resources. On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: The world can't run on oil forever, and hopefully it is not going to much longer. Companies like Exxon are going to have to adapt or die. Of course. And based on the history of business, I predict they will die. Would you rather the world run on obsolete technologies like sailing ships and steam locomotives just so we can have jobs or a company doesn't go under? Of course not. I did not say that. No one said that. Please pay a little closer attention to what is presented here, and do not argue against points that no one makes (a straw man logical fallacy). I myself could not care less whether Exxon survives. I care only about the individuals employed there. Not the company, and not the stockholders. - Jed
[Vo]:suggestion for speakers
The scientific community in Canada appears to show a renewed interest in LENR. I think in the near future a speaker or speakers will be invited to give a talk on LENR for a prominent Canadian scientific association. Who would be the best speakers to invite and who would be willing to come? Harry
Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
I was recently informed by a canadian physicist that he has been asked to gather new FACTUAL information ... on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions and he welcomed information from me that I believed to be factual. Anyway, it is just *my* expectation that this fact finding *might* lead to an invitation, so I am curious to hear from vortex who they think would make the best speaker(s). harry On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Finlay MacNab finlaymac...@hotmail.com wrote: Dr. Storms, I would relish the opportunity to hear you speak on the topic in an academic environment. CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com From: stor...@ix.netcom.com To: finlaymac...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:40:04 -0600 Finlay, I don't like to make comments about people, but the theory Zawodny advocates is an embarrassment to anyone who has scientific training and have you ever heard Miley talk? These people are not the best source of information about the field. Ed On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Finlay MacNab wrote: I would invite NASA researcher Joe Zawodny and or Prof. Miley. The NASA slides appear to me to develop and test a well modeled structure and yield predictable results. PS I'll be there if you invite them to speak in Vancouver! Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:32:11 -0400 From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers The scientific community in Canada appears to show a renewed interest in LENR. I think in the near future a speaker or speakers will be invited to give a talk on LENR for a prominent Canadian scientific association. Who would be the best speakers to invite and who would be willing to come? Harry
Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
Jed, I already sent him these links as a place to start. * Arata replication by Kitamura et al. and Kidwell et al. http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=679 * PHYSICS LETTERS A . doi:10.1016/j.physleta.2009.09.026 Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids A slide show presentation: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Carpinteripiezonucle.pdf My impression is he has been tasked with preparing a survey of the field so he is looking for help gathering the best experimental research. Harry On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I was recently informed by a canadian physicist that he has been asked to gather new FACTUAL information ... on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions and he welcomed information from me that I believed to be factual. Tell him I have uploaded several thousand pages of FACTUAL information here: http://lenr-canr.org/ Plus some highly imaginative stuff in the theory section and some experiments I do not find credible. The problem is, you can't tell which is which. There is no magic touchstone for truth. On behalf of the researchers and myself, I kind of resent it when people say they are looking for FACTUAL information and they cannot find it. I would ask: Have you tried looking in a university library? Have you tried Google? CERN or the ENEA? Where would you expect to find FACTUAL information? This is the 21st century. The biggest difference between now and the 20th century is the ease with which we can find information. And misinformation. If your friend is looking for misinformation on cold fusion, try the Scientific American or Wikipedia. They do resemble a magic touchstone. Take whatever they say, and assume the opposite is true.
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Might this be related to the piezonuclear activity (production of neutrons) observed during the laboratory fracturing of granite under strain? these locally extreme conditions could catalyse in the interpenetration band the formation of a plasma from the gases which are present in the solid materials (even at room conditions). from Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids Physics Letters A 373 (2009) 4158–4163 F. Cardone , A. Carpinteric, G. Lacidognac Harry On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion. The article says: Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Axil says: This is what we have in the Rossi type reactor. The hydrogen envelope is very high density plasma with a very low temperature. The population of degenerate electrons in this envelope is high due to the high pressure of the hydrogen gas. These degenerate electrons force Rydberg atoms together into a condensate and keep this condensate together when the crystal ionizes. These degenerate electrons produce a force field at long range that pushes protons together to form cooper pairs. This attractive electron field also forces naked positively charges nuclei together that have had their coulomb barrier stripped as described in my post titled “the magnetic monopole.” When these naked nuclei come into contact, the nuclear force takes over to form new elements. Degenerate electrons are attributable to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. The pressure maintained by a body of degenerate matter is called the degeneracy pressure, and arises because the Pauli principle prevents the constituent particles from occupying identical quantum states. Any attempt to force them close enough together that they are not clearly separated by position must place them in different energy levels. Therefore, reducing the volume requires forcing many of the particles into higher-energy quantum states. This requires additional compression force, and is made manifest as a resisting pressure. Therefore, since according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle ΔpΔx ≥ ħ/2 where Δp is the uncertainty in the particle's momentum and Δx is the uncertainty in position, then we must say that their momentum is extremely uncertain since the particles are located in a very confined space. Therefore, even though the plasma is cold, the electron must be moving very fast on average. This leads to the conclusion that if you want to compress an object into a very small space, you must use tremendous force to control its particles' momentum. This is what the micro-cavities in the micro powder do; compress electrons into the degenerate state. The article says: The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices. Axil says: This is why Rydberg ions are formed so readily in a pressurized hydrogen envelope. The article says: They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. Axil says: This is why electrical resistances drops as the temperature increases in cold fusion material. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Fran, Reduced, or completely masked? Don’t know yet… It’s still ‘in press’ so I doubt PRL will have an abstract yet… What’s interesting is this: “The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions [of the plasma], which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster.” So the (degenerate electron) quantum plasma forms *its own lattice*!? A nano/micro-scale lattice of plasma… now that ought to have some interesting properties being that the ions are much free-er (is that a word?) that in condensed matter. If this plasma lattice encompasses the first several layers of atoms in the condensed matter (Ni, Pd, etc), could the compression of the plasma lattice physically force protons to cross the Coulomb barrier? Could this be the nuclear active areas that LENR researchers have discussed? A quantum plasma lattice juxtaposed or co-physical with a condensed matter (metal) lattice… Obviously, it would take specific conditions to bring this about, and on a small volume, and probably short lived with the disruptive randomness of quantums of heat energy being shuffled about inside the metal lattice. This quantum lattice could certainly
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Technically I should have written under compression instead of under strain. harry On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Might this be related to the piezonuclear activity (production of neutrons) observed during the laboratory fracturing of granite under strain? these locally extreme conditions could catalyse in the interpenetration band the formation of a plasma from the gases which are present in the solid materials (even at room conditions). from Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids Physics Letters A 373 (2009) 4158–4163 F. Cardone , A. Carpinteric, G. Lacidognac Harry On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion. The article says: Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Axil says: This is what we have in the Rossi type reactor. The hydrogen envelope is very high density plasma with a very low temperature. The population of degenerate electrons in this envelope is high due to the high pressure of the hydrogen gas. These degenerate electrons force Rydberg atoms together into a condensate and keep this condensate together when the crystal ionizes. These degenerate electrons produce a force field at long range that pushes protons together to form cooper pairs. This attractive electron field also forces naked positively charges nuclei together that have had their coulomb barrier stripped as described in my post titled “the magnetic monopole.” When these naked nuclei come into contact, the nuclear force takes over to form new elements. Degenerate electrons are attributable to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. The pressure maintained by a body of degenerate matter is called the degeneracy pressure, and arises because the Pauli principle prevents the constituent particles from occupying identical quantum states. Any attempt to force them close enough together that they are not clearly separated by position must place them in different energy levels. Therefore, reducing the volume requires forcing many of the particles into higher-energy quantum states. This requires additional compression force, and is made manifest as a resisting pressure. Therefore, since according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle ΔpΔx ≥ ħ/2 where Δp is the uncertainty in the particle's momentum and Δx is the uncertainty in position, then we must say that their momentum is extremely uncertain since the particles are located in a very confined space. Therefore, even though the plasma is cold, the electron must be moving very fast on average. This leads to the conclusion that if you want to compress an object into a very small space, you must use tremendous force to control its particles' momentum. This is what the micro-cavities in the micro powder do; compress electrons into the degenerate state. The article says: The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices. Axil says: This is why Rydberg ions are formed so readily in a pressurized hydrogen envelope. The article says: They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. Axil says: This is why electrical resistances drops as the temperature increases in cold fusion material.
Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness
'woomera' says Defkalion has all their EU certificates. I wouldn't know where to look, but if this is true, wouldn't it be possible to confirm the certification by checking an EU governmental website? harry On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Interesting ... but I hope it isn't that Aussie Guy . Interesting comments a couple of posts down, too, concerning Rossi and a report of the 1MW going unstable during the test. - Original Message - there is a guy 'woomera' over at Chris Martensons forum, who claims to have visited Defkalion: read it there (post #43) http://www.chrismartenson.com/forum/cold-fusion/51623?page=4#comments
[Vo]:OT: The Stupid Orchestra
The Stupid Orchestra (3:27) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gzQJ07gi4c The Making of the Stupid Orchestra (9:39) http://vimeo.com/28190836 What this transformation does is to sensitize to a great extent the people who watch and listen to it. Afterwards their perception will have changed and they will perceive everyday objects and sounds in a new way. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims
The Dr. appreciates the prejudices and preconceptions regarding the nature of energy! :-) Harry On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Dr Josef Karthauser j...@tao.org.uk wrote: Yes, that's true isn't it. The whole closing the loop discussion is predicated on all types of energy being convertible, which is another statement of the conservation of energy. The whole over unity issue is that either conservation is broken in some circumstances, or that there are other energy sources that we have not previously taken into consideration. If it's the later, then really it's not over unity, and closing the loop is ok. But if it's the former, then we can't really prove anything by insisting that the energy present can be converted into other types of energy, especially if those forms are known to be conservative. Joe On 22 Mar 2012, at 06:40, Harry Veeder wrote: The conversion of one form of energy into another form may involve a loss (destruction) of energy or a gain (creation) of energy depending on the type and direction of energy conversion. Even if a system is creating energy, the created energy would be destroyed as it is converted into another type of energy. By that, I do not mean the energy is simply lost to the environment because it is converted inefficiently. I mean the process of conversion literal destroys energy. In Thane Heinz's system an input of kinetic energy maybe required to keep the system creating more kinetic energy, because the conversion of the created kinetic energy into electrical energy destroys the kinetic energy that was created. Harry On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: There is another possibility which probably seems absurd from a logical perspective. What counts above all is the INTUITION that a perpetuum mobil is impossible. All the formal concepts and laws of physics merely serve to affirm the intuition. However, the laws and concepts do not prove or replace the intuition. perhaps it is possible to violate CoE in such a way that the intuition remains true, although I admit it is a struggle to imagine how it can be logically possible because it would involve NEW concepts of motion. Harry On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I agree in principle with your skepticism, David - with the proviso that Thanes could be just plain stubborn and completely incapacitated by inventor's disease - by not pursuing the obvious pathway to proof and publishing the results. This is a transformer at heart, like Bearden's MEG - and most transformers are already very efficient or should be (in contrast to heat engines), where Carnot efficiency enters the picture. There are electric motors available NOW which are 98+% efficient (CSIRO), and electric generators available which are 95% efficient and they can be paired at optimal RPM with minimal loss. That much should be a no-brainer. Most transformers are 98% - so that it does not take a high level mentality to realize that any intermediary device, like a transformer, which has minimal gain should allow Thanes to close the loop by the simple expedient of placing his device between the two (paired high-efficiency motor and generator) and thus to achieve a self-powering mode, which is undeniable proof! I must add a DOH [slaps forehead] to my objection here - given the circumstances. Since, over the many years in which some version of this objection has been raised, Thanes steadfastly refuses to acknowledge that this simple route to absolute proof even exits, with the expected conclusion that skeptics believe he is hiding something with every new PR release - which is the same-old, same-old BS. However, I am not a total skeptic and think he may have some glimmer of an anomaly, but if it is a new variation of the Bedini battery anomaly then that puts it in a different category (electrochemical). Bottom line, until he performs the obvious kind of real test and attempts to close the loop with a self-runner, and publishes the data - then there is no reason to give him any credit at all. I can only suspect extreme self-delusion is the problem here. The guy is obviously talented but in complete denial of how easy it would be to prove that there is gain, if it is really there. It only takes COP 1.2 or less - to absolutely prove real gain with a self powering transformer-type of setup beyond all doubt ... Of course, it should be added that Bearden's MEG failed under the same scrutiny. I would not call that failure of TB to prove anything valid, as being any kind of good company for the failure of TH, however... we expect more and it is lacking. Jones From: David Roberson I fall into the category of engineers that do not believe in this device. Someone will need to demonstrate where the energy comes from that recharges the batteries instead
Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:11 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I have not seen any system that actually creates or destroys energy during its operation. Unless I have missed something extremely important, every current product including the ECAT type of device takes an existing form of energy that has been stored by nature or man and converts it into another form of energy. Mass is a type of frozen energy that is converted into heat by LENR. The magnitude of the energy so converted is precisely defined and no new net energy is generated in these reactions. That is what established theory says. The Motor-Generator type of system suggested by the group mentioned will not be able to create extra energy. The input power integrated over time to yield energy will always be greater than any integrated output power since some of the input will appear as heat due to friction or similar losses. The motor as well as the generator can store rotational energy derived from the input. This motional energy can behave as a long time constant battery that can be withdrawn quickly if needed to impress observers at demonstrations. That is not how it operates. Go and see it for yourself if you don't believe me. I am confident that a very careful analysis of the system would reveal exactly what is occurring and that no new physics is involved. This is not to suggest that it would be easy to prove since a system such as this can easily mask the underlying principles due to nasty phase shifts and complex shapes of the important waveforms. Yes, there is always a rationale for discounting an anomaly. The real proof of the viability of a new physics type device is for the input power to be discontinued entirely (removed and unplugged) and for it to continue operation with the same internal motional energy indefinitely. Of course, if the device is to be useful, the internal energy must increase under these conditions. Let me know when the device is self sustaining and I might change my mind. I have come to wonder why this self sustaining requirement is a necessary before it is taken seriously. It is similiar to demanding neutrons before CF experiments are taken seriously. People generally prefer to dismiss physical anomalies as error or fraud unless it satisfies their preconcieved notion of what a radical discovery should involve. It is not enough to present people with physical anomolies. Nothing short of amiracle will suffice which is also a form of dogmatism -- nature is either this way or that way. I could speculate on the cause of these onerous expectations, but I don't have time right now. The DGT or Rossi devices do not have a problem explaining where the energy that appears as heat is derived. There is some question as to exactly which nuclear reactions are involved, but there is no question that E=M*C*C defines the precise amount of energy released. All that is required is for DGT or Rossi to simply (pun intended) overcome the activation threshold leading to the energy release. The only thing known is that the amount of heat produced is consistent with nuclear reactions. Harry -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2012 2:40 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims The conversion of one form of energy into another form may involve a loss (destruction) of energy or a gain (creation) of energy depending on the type and direction of energy conversion. Even if a system is creating energy, the created energy would be destroyed as it is converted into another type of energy. By that, I do not mean the energy is simply lost to the environment because it is converted inefficiently. I mean the process of conversion literal destroys energy. In Thane Heinz's system an input of kinetic energy maybe required to keep the system creating more kinetic energy, because the conversion of the created kinetic energy into electrical energy destroys the kinetic energy that was created. Harry On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: There is another possibility which probably seems absurd from a logical perspective. What counts above all is the INTUITION that a perpetuum mobil is impossible. All the formal concepts and laws of physics merely serve to affirm the intuition. However, the laws and concepts do not prove or replace the intuition. perhaps it is possible to violate CoE in such a way that the intuition remains true, although I admit it is a struggle to imagine how it can be logically possible because it would involve NEW concepts of motion. Harry On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I agree in principle with your skepticism, David - with the proviso that Thanes could be just plain stubborn and completely incapacitated by inventor's disease - by not pursuing
