Re: [WSG] my site
Marvin, I see you fixed the paragraph before the body tag. I'm re-validating your page and will send back some more tips. Joseph R. B. Taylor /Web Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: j...@sitesbyjoe.com On 1/21/10 7:04 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. here's the url to my site i cam currently working on. okay go and read the code. and point out to me what errors i have and how to fix. any advice would be fine. well will work on the index page. and if i can improve it any better as a blind person. let me know. willing to take any advice, or pointers. marvin. http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my site
Marvin,
As I send over items I notice - for now forget about HTML 4.01 or HTML 5
and stay with XHTML for the moment.
Things to fix then get back to me:
Inside the div tag with the id of banner_new you have double break
tags surrounding both the first level heading and the image. I see the
same thing in the navigation area.
I'd rather see you use CSS to create those spaces.
For the heading element you could use this CSS:
div#banner_new h1 { margin: 20px 0; }
For the navigation:
div#navigation { margin: 20px 0; }
This would put a 20 pixel space at the top and bottom of the elements.
If you choose to leave the break tags in place (it's your call), you
need to add the forward slash prior to closing the tag so they validate.
Try those changes and get back to me.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
/Web Designer / Developer/
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/Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com
Email: j...@sitesbyjoe.com
On 1/21/10 7:04 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:
hi.
here's the url to my site i cam currently working on.
okay go and read the code.
and point out to me what errors i have and how to fix.
any advice would be fine.
well will work on the index page.
and if i can improve it any better as a blind person.
let me know.
willing to take any advice, or pointers.
marvin.
http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/
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Re: [WSG] my site
as interesting as it is... how about you guys communicate off list.
On 22/01/2010 12:09 PM, Joseph Taylor wrote:
Marvin,
As I send over items I notice - for now forget about HTML 4.01 or HTML
5 and stay with XHTML for the moment.
Things to fix then get back to me:
Inside the div tag with the id of banner_new you have double break
tags surrounding both the first level heading and the image. I see the
same thing in the navigation area.
I'd rather see you use CSS to create those spaces.
For the heading element you could use this CSS:
div#banner_new h1 { margin: 20px 0; }
For the navigation:
div#navigation { margin: 20px 0; }
This would put a 20 pixel space at the top and bottom of the elements.
If you choose to leave the break tags in place (it's your call), you
need to add the forward slash prior to closing the tag so they validate.
Try those changes and get back to me.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
/Web Designer / Developer/
--
Sites by Joe, LLC
/Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com
Email: j...@sitesbyjoe.com
On 1/21/10 7:04 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:
hi.
here's the url to my site i cam currently working on.
okay go and read the code.
and point out to me what errors i have and how to fix.
any advice would be fine.
well will work on the index page.
and if i can improve it any better as a blind person.
let me know.
willing to take any advice, or pointers.
marvin.
http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/
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Re: [WSG] my site
Hi Marvin, I have highlighted the code below .. please avoid using br/ tags for the line breaks please use some margin / padding to achieve the same in CSS Avoid using the inline style with the markup tags itself.. Rest all looks fine buddy :) :) Please download this validator to your FF browser.. that will help you for validating the markup ... so no need to depend on the people for the same... http://www.totalvalidator.com there is addon available for FF browser too. Heres your markup :) ** *!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN ** http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd*http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd * html xmlns=**http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml* http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml* head meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 / titleJoe's Fruit and Vegetable Shop/title link href=../styles/joe_style.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css / /head body div id=wrapper div id=banner_new p a name=Top/a /p h1Joe's Fruit and Vegetable Shop/h1* *br br img src=../images/fruit.jpg alt=Fruit / /div br br div id=navigation br br* *ul lia href=index.htmlHome/a/li lia href=produce.htmlAll Produce/a/li lia href=recipes.htmlRecipes/a/li lia href=staff.htmlStaff/a/li lia href=history.htmlHistory/a/li* * lia href=search.htmlSearch/a/li lia href=links.htmlFruit And Vegetable Links/a/li lia href=vegetable.htmlFruit And Vegetable Recipes/a/li lia href=copyright.htmlCopyright/a/li lia href=credits.htmlCredits/a/li br* * br /ul div style=clear:both;/div /div div id=main_content h2Today's Specials/h2 pPhone 1800-Joe-Fruit/p hr /* *div class=specials img src=../images/mango.jpg alt=Mango / h3Mangoes/h3 p Large juicy tropical Queensland mangoes, ideal for letting the juice drip down your chin as you eat them! br strong$1.99 each./strong /p /div div class=specials img src=../images/Mushrooms.jpg alt=Mushrooms /* * h3Mushrooms/h3 pDelicious champignon mushrooms, perfect for the French cooking you do so well. br strong$3.99 / kg./strong/p /div div class=specials img src=../images/strawberries.jpg alt=Strawberry / h3Strawberries/h3* * pPunnet of hydroponics strawberries. Exquisite taste, mouth watering; perfect with French vanilla ice-cream. br strong$2.99 a Punnet./strong/p /div div class=specials img src=../images/tomatoes2.jpg alt=Tomatoes / h3Tomatoes/h3 pHydroponics tomatoes, vine ripened, juicy and red: they taste like old-fashioned tomatoes your mother used to serve! br* *strong$7.99 a tray (approx. 3 kg)./strong/p /div hr / pToday's specials are all available now at:/p pJoe's Fruit Shop/p p55 Main Road/p pAnytown 2999/p* *pPhone: 9555-9876/p pFor phone orders: 1800-Joe-Fruit/p p a href=**mailto:i...@joes.com.au?subject=joe's*i...@joes.com.au?subject=joe's * Website Query target=_topE-Mail Joe Bashir/a /p hr / /div div id=footer* * p a href=#Top target=_topTop Of Page/a /p p style=clear:both; p© All Rights Reserved Joe's Fruit Shop PTY. LTD. 2009./p /div /div /body /html * * Cheers, JC * On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote: hi. here's the url to my site i cam currently working on. okay go and read the code. and point out to me what errors i have and how to fix. any advice would be fine. well will work on the index page. and if i can improve it any better as a blind person. let me know. willing to take any advice, or pointers. marvin. http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] My site
Hi. looking to fix my site. have not got around to it yet. doing other projects and now iwll get to it tomorrow. now how do i make all the images the same size. Do i get rid of the banana images and the second menu. only one set of links. On the credits page, do i get rid of the p link from the list of links. and just have a a href= ...html? cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] My Site
my site still errorshi. take a look at http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com still errors. and okay will go and download the vision australia color tester and see what colors they say for the background. okay will go and vallidate the hoem page. did fix the table reading problem. it was the screen reader table setting for ie, which was giving me grief on the home page. did not set my table layout settings to screen layout. now the table reads fine. and also what other changes i should make to make this a slicker site. any good, bad or ugly feedback would be fine and making final changes. I am blind and use a screen reader, and want this to be tarted for blind and sighted users. looking forward to your feedback. cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] My Site
Hi there! I have experience building sites for blind people, but have absolutely no idea how a blind person builds a website. As for your website, the first thing I'd do is reduce the image of the mango because that's 3264 x 2448 pixels worth of mango and it's way too much. Secondly I'd try to get rid of all tables for the code. I don't know if you're using a program or you're coding by hand, but screen reader don't deal perfectly (and even less equally) with tables, so it'd be a great idea to try using XHTML and CSS for presentational purposes. And finally, colorwise, you should think of changing the links colors, because you have green over green and it doesn't validate the AAA WCAG2 specification. Other than that, it should be fine. Congrats, 'cause I can't believe I could do any of this without my vision. Cheers Raul -Mensaje original- De: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] En nombre de Marvin Hunkin Enviado el: miércoles, 07 de octubre de 2009 14:06 Para: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Asunto: [WSG] My Site my site still errorshi. take a look at http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com still errors. and okay will go and download the vision australia color tester and see what colors they say for the background. okay will go and vallidate the hoem page. did fix the table reading problem. it was the screen reader table setting for ie, which was giving me grief on the home page. did not set my table layout settings to screen layout. now the table reads fine. and also what other changes i should make to make this a slicker site. any good, bad or ugly feedback would be fine and making final changes. I am blind and use a screen reader, and want this to be tarted for blind and sighted users. looking forward to your feedback. cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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That's great to learn more, Marvin. Good luck you then. And cheers too :) 2009/9/23 Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com hi. well. did this for a course a couple of years ago. and got legal use to use all the images. so want to put this up on a site. as a port folio of my student web projects. got a number of projects. which trying to find the owners of images and get their permission. like a world war ii veterans club site, a soccer club site, mens wear store site, a child's flea circus. so will go and take your suggestions for the fruit shop site. and put lists. for the links. then will get rid of the second nav menu. and the images. it was just for sighted users. so will go and look at those tutorials. how to design and redesign the site with the css, and the java script. thanks for your help. then a more slicker, more accessible site. and will use the vision australia colour tool. to try to get the best solution for sighted and blind users. cheers Marvin. ps: not so stubborn after all. and did pass this subject and the course. so updating the projects. to get around legal copyright issues. Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] my site and mouse rollovers
hi. well not going to change the site a whole great deal. proud of this site i created for my course. and only changing the mouse rollovers. so if it looks great. let me know. it is at: http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com cheers Marvin. ps: might be a few hours before my friend uploads it. as i cannot upload it and login into the ftp site. i get a internet cannot open this page. tried it in firefox and get the same problem. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my site and mouse rollovers
Hi Marvin, I am interested in your angle on regarding the repeating alt attribute values in your menu, e.g. alt=Closed Banana. This would appear to be against basic WCAGC accessibility guidelines, and also totally unnecessary verbiage for the listener. What is your reasoning for doing this? On Tue, September 22, 2009 8:27 am, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well not going to change the site a whole great deal. proud of this site i created for my course. and only changing the mouse rollovers. so if it looks great. let me know. it is at: http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com cheers Marvin. ps: might be a few hours before my friend uploads it. as i cannot upload it and login into the ftp site. i get a internet cannot open this page. tried it in firefox and get the same problem. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my site and mouse rollovers
Hi Marvin, To follow on from what Dave Hurley said about colours, I find the green Link text hard to read on the green background. No matter how great your site is, if your users can't read it, it's not doing its job. Visionaustralia have a really useful tool on their Web site here: http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=628 It will help you check colour combinations for visibility. All the best with your course. Lesley Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well not going to change the site a whole great deal. proud of this site i created for my course. and only changing the mouse rollovers. so if it looks great. let me know. it is at: http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com cheers Marvin. ps: might be a few hours before my friend uploads it. as i cannot upload it and login into the ftp site. i get a internet cannot open this page. tried it in firefox and get the same problem. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my site and mouse rollovers
Hi Marvin, To follow on from what Dave Hurley said about colours, I find the green Link text hard to read on the green background. No matter how great your site is, if your users can't read it, it's not doing its job. Visionaustralia have a really useful tool on their Web site here: http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=628 It will help you check colour combinations for visibility. All the best with your course. Lesley Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well not going to change the site a whole great deal. proud of this site i created for my course. and only changing the mouse rollovers. so if it looks great. let me know. it is at: http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com cheers Marvin. ps: might be a few hours before my friend uploads it. as i cannot upload it and login into the ftp site. i get a internet cannot open this page. tried it in firefox and get the same problem. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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[WSG] my site
hi. did vallidate all the pages and fixed all the errors. so what do you mean by excess tags. that is the way i set it up and want it that way. what do you mean by images not loading. cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my site
Hi, At the homepage source you have a /div too much on line 59. Also, the mango image is not loading. It seems that the file is corrupt: when trying to reach I get a message saying that the image has errors. I think all the tables are loading correctly, both at the homepage and produce. I would suggest: - add an extra column for the images, instead of inserting them in the same cell as text; - make all images have the same size; - get rid of the bananas images on the menu because they make it too long. HTH, Roberto Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. did vallidate all the pages and fixed all the errors. so what do you mean by excess tags. that is the way i set it up and want it that way. what do you mean by images not loading. cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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[WSG] My Site Background Image and css
HI. if you visit http://tracs.co.nz/marvin and a sighted friend, helping me out. but he says that i have a image with a layover background. can any one take a look and help me out? how to do this in css, as a blind web developer, and cannot edit graphics using a screen reader like jaws for windows from freedom scientific http://www.freedomscientific.com can any one take a look and help me out. and also any other comments about the page. and then once got the front page up and running, then can copy the source code and edit my other pages for my site. cheers Marvin. E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] My Site
Well, You can start reading http://thetaoofwebdesign.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/2004/10/ color_schemes_g.html and http://thetaoofwebdesign.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/2004/08/ update_how_to_c.html to help you out with the colors. Then pick a pencil and start drawing... them put that in CSS / XHTML and your done. Read more, buy a good book about color. -- Atentamente, Jorge Laranjo site http://thetaoofwebdesign.tk/ email [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Em 21/dez/2004, às 14:46, Anthony Timberlake escreveu: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Anthony, You have 120 errors on that page. Most of them are br errors missing their end tag. A simple search and replace will get you down to about 20 errors. (maybe less I can't be bothered wading through them all.) Try in your favourite editor: Find: br Replace With: br / Even note pad has SR so you should be able to do this without too much trouble. But please, do it! The fact that you ask for help but have not addressed these issues first is quite annoying. You spend more time defending your umm styles. Meh. Next you'll want to clean up your img tags. You should add a trailing slash to the end of each tag. E.g. img alt= src= / Then you will get the errors down to a manageable number and should be able to work through them yourself. It is important to do this otherwise your wasting your time even bothering. The validator should be your first port of call. As for I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. I have no doubt the site is a personal achievement and well done to actually having a go. I do think you could benefit from suggestions already made about your site as the comments have be constructive and valid apart from the one flaming you received but the frustration was well meant. o_O. nice is nice. Your style switcher is a good idea but the change of styles should actually reflect a complete style change. The styles themselves require work and suggestions made about contrast and font size are definitely something you should look into. Style2 text is quite hard to read on the right hand side. Something to do with oh...white on one of the lightest grays. The wellstyled colorscheme chooser is fantastic. It can do al the work for you. Would your screen resolution happen to be at 800x600 default? That's ok but you should change your res to 1024x768 and see what your site looks like full screen. Pretty standard res these days. But fix those validator errors here: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A//www.dotradio.uni.cc/%3F page%3Dhome (Copy and past if the link breaks) Regards, Brett -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Timberlake Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:58:20 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Validates??? Have I got the wrong url or something. I just checked www.dotradio.uni.cc and it still has 120 errors? Did I miss something? Regards, Brett -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of haggis Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site Well, it's getting there the html now validates but the css still does not. It has the same errors as before only now they are on all three stylesheets. You cannot list sizes or dimensions without the unit in other words padding: 2; is not valid however, padding: 2px (or em or %) is. and the same goes for font-size: 14px; is how it should read and NOT font-size: 14; You still need to specify a generic font as well Fix those and it'll be fine ... B. William Haggerty VWH Web Services http://vwh.ca - Original Message - From: Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Anthony, Do not get discouraged. Designing semantically correct, accessible, and valid sites is not easy. Transitioning to standards compliant design is a long frustrating road, but it is well worth the pain. There are many that can forget the journey that we all traveled to get where we are today. A good working knowledge of CSS and XHTML takes time and a lot of hair loss (so invest in a wig or a stress ball now). We all can take a moment in this holiday to remember 'our own journey' and be civil in our responses. Keep chugging along; shunt the negative words and absorb to constuctive criticism. It can seem like no effort was put into a site before submitting to the list if the css and XHTML does not validate. Some take great offense to that. Knowing what constitutes valid css and XHTML and CSS and how to test for it can be tricky There are many great resources on the WSG Resources section: http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ Good luck! Keep up the work and journey. Jim -- __ Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com (Personal) www.freexenon.com (Consulting) __ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/ Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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The url given has a valid html4 button, but the doctype of the page itself is xhtml 1.0 transitional. The markup is nothing like xhtml, but the validator keeps trying to validate it as xhtml because the doctype says so. If you cant change your markup to xhtml, it would be easier to change your doctype and start validating the page as html 4 instead. I redid my own site 6 months ago, and moved from non valid html 4 to valid xhtml strict. It required a complete rewrite of the entire page structure to do this, and I fear that this page may well require the same treatment. Also the style colors are mostly all very dark and unreadable, imho. Perhaps at least one light, readable style choice would be worth consideration? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:46:27 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. -- http://www.jewelswebgraphics.com/ for all your web design needs. Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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The color scheme is what I do not like. Can someone help me find a better color scheme? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:46:27 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Try http://colorschemer.com/ Great tool, I think there's a 15 day trial. Regards, Hanni On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:00:00 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The color scheme is what I do not like. Can someone help me find a better color scheme? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:46:27 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk hmmm... eg. you can validate it, esp. change the to / (XHTML) than you have twice head .../head, one in the body-tag... greetings johannes ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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G'day My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. Validate, fix, validate, fix, validate, ... You might start by changing the Doctype to HTML 4.01 Transitional and fix the 19 errors (as opposed to 154 with the XHTML1.0 strict DTD you currently use on the home page). Once you've fixed those 19 errors, look at updating the site to HTML 4.01 Strict by removing all presentational attributes and making more use of CSS (but don't specify font sizes in pixels like you have - cannot be enlarged on MSIE). Beyond that, replace the nested tables with more structural markup and (optionally) update it to XHTML1.0 Strict. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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http://www.paletteman.com/ Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com On Dec 21, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Hanni Ross wrote: Try http://colorschemer.com/ Great tool, I think there's a 15 day trial. Regards, Hanni On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:00:00 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The color scheme is what I do not like. Can someone help me find a better color scheme? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:46:27 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Anthony Timberlake wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? I don't mean to be rude but a token attempt at validation is probably in order before asking for suggestions. You may want to start by limiting yourself to one set of head, body and html tags :) -- Al Sessions http://fultonchain.net They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- B. Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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I do have one set of head, body and html tags. I have validated my CSS and HTML. On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:51:36 -0500, Al Sessions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Timberlake wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? I don't mean to be rude but a token attempt at validation is probably in order before asking for suggestions. You may want to start by limiting yourself to one set of head, body and html tags :) -- Al Sessions http://fultonchain.net They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- B. Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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have validated my CSS and HTML. This generally means you have fixed the errors the validator displays. The page you linked to still has 130+ errors. Johannes' suggestion hmmm... eg. you can validate it, esp. change the to / (XHTML) would fix quite a few. Matt Hampel On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:10:35 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do have one set of head, body and html tags. I have validated my CSS and HTML. On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:51:36 -0500, Al Sessions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Timberlake wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? I don't mean to be rude but a token attempt at validation is probably in order before asking for suggestions. You may want to start by limiting yourself to one set of head, body and html tags :) -- Al Sessions http://fultonchain.net They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- B. Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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I went back and re-checked for CSS and HTML validation: You still have some problems to fix. The CSS validator shows an error page. The HTML validator clearly states your code is not valid XHTML 1.0 Strict, with 136 errors. You'll have to fix those first. It looks to me like you'll have to go back to the drawing board. One thing I suggest is reviewing not only HTML/XHTML/CSS validation and document types, but also learning a bit more about using CSS for positioning rather than putting all your content into tables and laying them out that way. Start by looking at http://www.positioniseverything.net and go from there. Once you start using those techniques, you'll have a much cleaner site, codewise, that is vastly easier to maintain. As far as the colors, there's definitely room for improvement - I see a couple of people have posted some links to color scheme selectors you can use, so hopefully you find those helpful. Leslie Riggs I do have one set of head, body and html tags. I have validated my CSS and HTML. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On 22 Dec 2004, at 8:10 AM, Anthony Timberlake wrote: I do have one set of head, body and html tags. I have validated my CSS and HTML. Don't see how your HTML can validate. Adding a DOCTYPE of XHTML Strict will not magically convert an HTML document to XHTML. The syntax of your code is entirely wrong - you need, at least, to end the 'unclosed' tags (meta, img, br, etc) in your markup with / instead of just if you want to use an XHTML DOCTYPE. You use tables for purely presentational purposes - eg to place your 'Online' header info at right centre of its containing block - unnecessary, and deprecated. You even use a center tag within a centered p for that header. You have broken code - your subheading 'News' is rendering as 'bNews'. Your markup is totally lacking any semantic approach at all. It's just a stream-of-consciousness procession of divs, tables and ps used to lay out the page in what looks like - to you - a meaningful way. Your css is inline - one of the aims of modern code, and the ethos of Web Standards, is to separate presentation from content by removing css to an external file. You even use font tags! Sorry, but I don't think you get what this discussion list, or Web Standards, is about. If you're serious about your 'website design buisness' (sic) you'll do some serious research into how to do this stuff properly. This list exists to help with problems that you can't readily solve, not to write your code for you. Oh, and regardless of the choice of colours, I'm not sure if you're 'DJ Bullseye', but Didn't Anyone Ever Tell You That Capitalising Every Word In A Sentence Makes The Content Really Hard To Read? Call me harsh, but I just find these 'please fix my site for me' posts just plain annoying. Normally I'd ignore them; just so happens I had a little time to make what I hope are constructive criticisms. N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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I am not new at this, just haven't done it for a while now. I thought by being on this list, I could get the help I needed. I appologize if I offended you. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:53:26 +1100, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Dec 2004, at 8:10 AM, Anthony Timberlake wrote: I do have one set of head, body and html tags. I have validated my CSS and HTML. Don't see how your HTML can validate. Adding a DOCTYPE of XHTML Strict will not magically convert an HTML document to XHTML. The syntax of your code is entirely wrong - you need, at least, to end the 'unclosed' tags (meta, img, br, etc) in your markup with / instead of just if you want to use an XHTML DOCTYPE. You use tables for purely presentational purposes - eg to place your 'Online' header info at right centre of its containing block - unnecessary, and deprecated. You even use a center tag within a centered p for that header. You have broken code - your subheading 'News' is rendering as 'bNews'. Your markup is totally lacking any semantic approach at all. It's just a stream-of-consciousness procession of divs, tables and ps used to lay out the page in what looks like - to you - a meaningful way. Your css is inline - one of the aims of modern code, and the ethos of Web Standards, is to separate presentation from content by removing css to an external file. You even use font tags! Sorry, but I don't think you get what this discussion list, or Web Standards, is about. If you're serious about your 'website design buisness' (sic) you'll do some serious research into how to do this stuff properly. This list exists to help with problems that you can't readily solve, not to write your code for you. Oh, and regardless of the choice of colours, I'm not sure if you're 'DJ Bullseye', but Didn't Anyone Ever Tell You That Capitalising Every Word In A Sentence Makes The Content Really Hard To Read? Call me harsh, but I just find these 'please fix my site for me' posts just plain annoying. Normally I'd ignore them; just so happens I had a little time to make what I hope are constructive criticisms. N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Hello; I see now that you have changed the doctype to 4.01 transitional which still gives up 2 errors and in the css there are still 8 errors and 1 warning. In the html you are using self closing tags img src= blah blah blah / you don't need that in 4.01 transitional. Plus you have td tags closed that are not open, however, I also notice that it is changing with each refresh so you must be working on it ... good for you ! ... :o) HTH's ... B. William Haggerty VWH Web Services http://vwh.ca - Original Message - From: Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site I do have one set of head, body and html tags. I have validated my CSS and HTML. On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:51:36 -0500, Al Sessions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Timberlake wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? I don't mean to be rude but a token attempt at validation is probably in order before asking for suggestions. You may want to start by limiting yourself to one set of head, body and html tags :) -- Al Sessions http://fultonchain.net They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- B. Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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It is now validated with HTML and CSS. Does anyone have anything else that I can do to improve my site? Sites to read and gain more knowledge, scripts? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:32:14 -0800, haggis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello; I see now that you have changed the doctype to 4.01 transitional which still gives up 2 errors and in the css there are still 8 errors and 1 warning. In the html you are using self closing tags img src= blah blah blah / you don't need that in 4.01 transitional. Plus you have td tags closed that are not open, however, I also notice that it is changing with each refresh so you must be working on it ... good for you ! ... :o) HTH's ... B. William Haggerty VWH Web Services http://vwh.ca - Original Message - From: Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site I do have one set of head, body and html tags. I have validated my CSS and HTML. On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:51:36 -0500, Al Sessions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Timberlake wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? I don't mean to be rude but a token attempt at validation is probably in order before asking for suggestions. You may want to start by limiting yourself to one set of head, body and html tags :) -- Al Sessions http://fultonchain.net They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- B. Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On 22 Dec 2004, at 9:04 AM, Anthony Timberlake wrote: I am not new at this, just haven't done it for a while now. I thought by being on this list, I could get the help I needed. I appologize if I offended you. I'm not in the least offended. But if you'd like help from this list (and this advice is for all new members) it helps to read the guidelines, and at least try and fix the basic problems yourself. Validate your code. Research what Web Standards is about. After an honest attempt to reach a minimum level of conformance to Standards, we're happy to help with those perplexing details. But requests for help with a site that has *so many* fundamental errors is, as I said, just annoying. I'll reintroduce an acronym for the list to use: HUTHY. Help us to help you. Good luck. N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Hello; You have said . --- It is now validated with HTML and CSS. Does anyone have anything else that I can do to improve my site? Sites to read and gain more knowledge, scripts? --- And I must nowsay ... Sorry but it still doesn't validate, it still has 6 errors.. see this link ... http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A//www.dotradio.uni.cc/ and neither does the css validate these are the errors there ... Errors URI : http://www.dotradio.uni.cc/ Line: 97 Invalid number : paddingUnknown dimension : 4x (must be px or em or %) Line: 113 Invalid number : font-sizeonly 0 can be a length. You must put an unit after your number : 14 (must have px or em or ex or %) Line: 121 Invalid number : font-sizeonly 0 can be a length. You must put an unit after your number : 11 Line: 122 Invalid number : font-sizeonly 0 can be a length. You must put an unit after your number : 11 Line: 143 Invalid number : font-sizeonly 0 can be a length. You must put an unit after your number : 14 Line: 151 Invalid number : font-sizeonly 0 can be a length. You must put an unit after your number : 11 Line: 152 Invalid number : font-sizeonly 0 can be a length. You must put an unit after your number : 11 Warnings URI : http://www.dotradio.uni.cc/styles/1.css Line : 10 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternative Line : 19 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternative Line : 26 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternative (this usually means having a generic font such as serif as the last font choice) Still, it's a lot better than the original 130 errors ... :o) What validator are you using that misses these errors? If I may suggest here, a visit to this particular website would be very enlightening ... http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/ and down at the bottom there are links to books he has written which are very useful in understanding CSS and it's implementation... HTH's ... B. William HaggertyVWH Web Serviceshttp://vwh.ca - Original Message - From: "Anthony Timberlake" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site It is now validated with HTML and CSS. Does anyone have anything else that I can do to improve my site? Sites to read and gain more knowledge, scripts? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:32:14 -0800, haggis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello; I see now that you have changed the "doctype" to 4.01 transitional which still gives up 2 errors and in the css there are still 8 errors and 1 warning. In the html you are using self closing tags img src="" / you don't need that in 4.01 transitional. Plus you have td tags closed that are not open, however, I also notice that it is changing with each refresh so you must be working on it ... good for you ! ... :o) HTH's ... B. William Haggerty VWH Web Services http://vwh.ca - Original Message - From: "Anthony Timberlake" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site I do have one set of head, body and html tags. I have validated my CSS and HTML.On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:51:36 -0500, Al Sessions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Timberlake wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? I don't mean to be rude but a token attempt at validation is probably in order before asking for suggestions. You may want to start by limiting yourself to one set of head, body and html tags :) -- Al Sessions http://fultonchain.net "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " -- B. Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm fo
Re: [WSG] My Site
Anthony Timberlake wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. To me, the #3 stylesheet provides the least bothersome color combination, but that produces a section of virtually invisible text at the top of the page. Black on dark blue is hard to read anyway, but your subatomic font-size: 11px makes it wholly useless viewed in IE, except for the very few users astute enough to trudge into settings and disable author font sizes entirely. Only after zooming 200% does that black on blue text begin to become legible. Even the main content text is uncomfortable to read at 200% zoom due to insufficient contrast. By the time I zoom enough for comfort, 300%, the page looks rather strange. There's way too much whitespace. The web is chock full of helpful links on page design. Maybe you'd do well to pick a few links off http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/wauth2.html to start with. -- I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.John 14:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site
Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site
I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:58:20 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site
I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:58:20 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site
dude that site bites ! Anthony Timberlake wrote: I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:58:20 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site
Excuse me? On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:19:31 +1000, simon dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dude that site bites ! -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site
Well, it's getting there the html now validates but the css still does not. It has the same errors as before only now they are on all three stylesheets. You cannot list sizes or dimensions without the unit in other words padding: 2; is not valid however, padding: 2px (or em or %) is. and the same goes for font-size: 14px; is how it should read and NOT font-size: 14; You still need to specify a generic font as well Fix those and it'll be fine ... B. William Haggerty VWH Web Services http://vwh.ca - Original Message - From: Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site
How are you getting errors? http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F1.cssusermedium=all http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F2.cssusermedium=all http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F3.cssusermedium=all http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F4.cssusermedium=all That is the validator for the CSS. On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:33:59 -0800, haggis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's getting there the html now validates but the css still does not. It has the same errors as before only now they are on all three stylesheets. You cannot list sizes or dimensions without the unit in other words padding: 2; is not valid however, padding: 2px (or em or %) is. and the same goes for font-size: 14px; is how it should read and NOT font-size: 14; You still need to specify a generic font as well Fix those and it'll be fine ... B. William Haggerty VWH Web Services http://vwh.ca - Original Message - From: Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site
Anthony - you are validating the individual css files. Your inline styles still leave a bit to be desired... When you validate css using a site url it takes the css that page accesses and runs . You are validating each file in isolation from inline styles. For example: div style=height:100%;width:100%;border:1px solid #000;padding:2x div style=float:right;width:80%;border:1px solid #000;padding:4x class=main Throw up errors when you validate your page, but not when you check an individual css file. You are on the right track using external style sheets - so why not move inline styles as well? http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2warning=2uri=http%3A//www.dotradio.uni.cc/ Marc. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site--Sorry
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:40:50 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, see correction below--- sans-serif *not* serif How are you getting errors? http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F1.cssusermedium=all http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F2.cssusermedium=all http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F3.cssusermedium=all http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F4.cssusermedium=all That is the validator for the CSS. When you scroll those links you'll see the warnings. Change this: font-family : Tahoma, Verdana, Arial; to read this: font-family : Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; each and every time it appears, on each and every style sheet. David -- http://www.dlaakso.com/ Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Site
Anthony; You asked . - How are you getting errors? - I open your site in FF and use the developers toolbar to validate your html and your css at the W3C ... when I did it before it was for the html 4.01 transitional page, now when I click on your link http://www.dotradio.uni.cc/?act=homestyle=4style=4 it's back to an xhtml document with 154 errors and the stylesheet (all 4 of them have the same error .. an unclosed link tag . So, just how the heck are you getting a valid stylesheet? And what page are you using, the html 4.01 or the xhtml one ??? It seems we're checking against two different sites, so which one is it? Bill. William Haggerty VWH Web Services http://vwh.ca - Original Message - From: Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site How are you getting errors? http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F1.cssusermedium=all http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F2.cssusermedium=all http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F3.cssusermedium=all http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F4.cssusermedium=all That is the validator for the CSS. On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:33:59 -0800, haggis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's getting there the html now validates but the css still does not. It has the same errors as before only now they are on all three stylesheets. You cannot list sizes or dimensions without the unit in other words padding: 2; is not valid however, padding: 2px (or em or %) is. and the same goes for font-size: 14px; is how it should read and NOT font-size: 14; You still need to specify a generic font as well Fix those and it'll be fine ... B. William Haggerty VWH Web Services http://vwh.ca - Original Message - From: Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My site is broken in Opera
Alan Trick wrote: Hi, I finished a nice update for my website, added a browser detection script on my css because IE doensn't like web standards. Now my site works in all the browsers I have exept for Opera, and I don't know why, can anyone help me with this? the url is http://jellybean.uni.cc n.b. it uses style.css in firefox/mozilla, and styleie.css all other browsers All the pages on the site are valid xhtml+xml and both css files are valid. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Hi Alan, the problem is simple, you no use the tag "class" else "id" 2004 LopezMarcos Design 2004-2005 LopezMarcos Design Soluciones web | New Media | Diseo grfico | Ilustracin | Modelado3D Mvil: +34 667 60 19 96 | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Web: www.lopezmarcos.com | MADRID Spain - Aviso legal - Este correo electrnico y, en su caso, cualquier fichero anexo al mismo, contiene informacin de carcter confidencial exclusivamente dirigida a su destinatario o destinatarios. Queda prohibida su divulgacin, copia o distribucin a terceros sin la previa autorizacin escrita de LopezMarcos Design. En el caso de haber recibido este correo electrnico por error, se ruega notificar inmediatamente esta circunstancia mediante reenvo a la direccin electrnica del remitente, y le rogamos borre de su sistema inmediatamente el mensaje as como todas sus copias. Cualquier opinin expresada en este mensaje proviene del remitente, excepto cuando el mensaje establezca lo contrario y el remitente est autorizado para establecer que dichas opiniones provienen de LopezMarcos Design. - Disclaimer - The information in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is prohibited without the prior written consent of LopezMarcos Design.. If you have received this communication in error, please, notify the sender by reply e-mail, and please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of LopezMarcos Design.
Re: [WSG] My site is broken in Opera
José López wrote: Hi Alan, the problem is simple, you no use the tag class else id 1) I don't think this would do anything different and 2) id's are meant to be unique and I don't want to have a whole bunch of id's all with the same css info, that's bad code and redundant. I think I'll go with some of the recomendations others made and make things simpler. By the way, I use the MathML on my quiz and I'll probably use it more often when I start putting content in, the reason that I have MathML validated on my homepage is to keep all the doctypes the same Bert Doorn wrote: Incidentally, when I went to the site in MSIE, it asked me what program I wanted to open the page with, rather than displaying it. Probably related to your Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml Really? What version of MSIE do you have? I've loaded it many times in mine (6) and I've never gotten that. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] My site is broken in Opera
G'day Incidentally, when I went to the site in MSIE, it asked me what program I wanted to open the page with, rather than displaying it. Probably related to your Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml Really? What version of MSIE do you have? I've loaded it many times in mine (6) and I've never gotten that. MSIE 6.0.2800.1106IC - fully patched but otherwise stock-standard (no plug-ins, not even a Flash player). I don't get this problem on other sites, so it's possibly something to do with the MathML or application/xhtml+xml (if you're feeding that to MSIE). I get a download dialog box in MSIE. Perhaps you have a plug-in of some sort installed for the MathML (which the vast majority of people would not have) so it displays fine for you. Extract from http://www.w3.org/Math/implementations.html : Viewing web pages containing MathML requires a browser that can display MathML. Currently, only Netscape, Mozilla and Amaya can display MathML directly. If you use Microsoft's Internet Explorer, the best solution for MathML display is Design Science MathPlayer. Also, if I go to the Quiz #1 page, in Firefox (1.0), I am told to install additional fonts. In Opera (7.54), on that same page, I see a lot of code/Markup and get a message that XML Parsing Failed. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Web Developer Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] My site is broken in Opera
Hi Alan, I strongly suggest putting the binary stuff into a background image. Google etc. will hate what you have there as will screen readers. Interesting effect but not a good idea unless maybe you put it at the end of the code order. Personally, I'd lose it and use an image as a css background. Is that why you have the mathml doctype? Can't see that it is mathml at all. It's just 1s 0s and nbsp;s. No formulae or anything mathematical to be seen. It's valid but not necessary and may choke older browsers. Also, semantically very poor. Use HTML elements as they were designed. They are not just for (default) visual behaviour, they are structural. Headings have more weight and are used by machines (search engines, screen readers etc.) for real semantic purpose. A div is not the same as a p even though they are both block level elements. The default settings (for devices that ignore the css) will make is pretty well unusable. As with most things, be careful what you ask for. The reason we do what we do here is to stop the need for code forking (different page/stylesheets for different browsers). It's not a good thing to do as you don't know what will happen. How are you determining the user agent? Opera (by default) ids itself as IE and is indeed getting the IE stylesheet (though you mentioned other browsers so this is probably not the issue). My advice, back to basics. Lose all the internal divs (apart from the containers maybe) and use hn p etc. as they should be used and you won't have to style every little spacer div and have a huge stylesheet that really doesn't need to be there. This should solve the issue. By the way, there is absolutely nothing on that page that would require using separate stylesheets if it were semantically correct code. It's the complexity of your HTML that makes it hard for cross browser compatibility. Saying IE doesn't like web standards is in fact wrong. It does them quite well if you use them the right way. Just a few little things to be aware of, none of which should apply to your page. So: div class=entrytitlespan class=contentheadThe Wise Words of Google - 25 November 2004/span/div (etc... Not putting all that here) Should be just: h2The Wise Words of Google - 25 November 2004/h2 p Here's a list of what google thinks of me: /p p jellybean is herebr / jellybean is a perl object server with an http interfacebr / jellybean is a gdr dogbr / jellybean is an enchantingbr / jellybean is a cat pookabr / jellybean is preposition the doorbr / jellybean is about 12br / jellybean is here to help /p p I got this from a href=http://www.googlism.com/;googlism.com/a. /p Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Trick Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] My site is broken in Opera Hi, I finished a nice update for my website, added a browser detection script on my css because IE doensn't like web standards. Now my site works in all the browsers I have exept for Opera, and I don't know why, can anyone help me with this? the url is http://jellybean.uni.cc n.b. it uses style.css in firefox/mozilla, and styleie.css all other browsers All the pages on the site are valid xhtml+xml and both css files are valid. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] my site works on Mac, not PC :: suggestions???
Will do Mike. Thanks for the constructive criticism. I'll delete the full screen. Good suggestion. Shane Helm On Oct 16, 2004, at 6:43 PM, Michael Allan wrote: On Saturday, October 16, 2004, at 03:13 PM, Shane Helm wrote: Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! If others have solved your float problem Shane, can I suggest that you don't insist that the window resize itself to full-screen? I'm lucky enough to have a large screen (20 Apple Cinema Display, running at 1680 x 1050), like a small but presumably growing proportion of web users, and I just *don't* need to see that much of your repeating background ;-) I do however want to see the windows and applications I've got running behind my browser. To make the behaviour worse, Firefox places the resize tab *below* the window edge and out of reach, which is a pain to say the least. I'm sure you don't want to spoil the impression such a beautiful site makes on your visitors by instructing it to behaviour rudely in their environment. :o) Sorry for posting slightly off-topic, but I believe it's in keeping with the standards spirit of providing an equally enjoyable experience for every user. Cheers, Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] my site works on Mac, not PC :: suggestions???
That worked! Sweet! My last problem seems also to be only in IE on the PC. Between the top button that says SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER and the 12px tan border of the header bar there is a green space where those 2 graphics aren't lining up. Got any reason why this is a problem? http://sonze.com/lange/ Thanks a ton! Shane On Oct 16, 2004, at 1:44 AM, Jason Turnbull wrote: Shane Helm wrote: http://sonze.com/lange/index.html http://sonze.com/lange/bios.html Now the CSS: http://sonze.com/lange/css/master.css IE is doubling the margin on the 'right' and 'left' class, which of course allows no room for the floats to align beside each other Simply add display:inline to these two class styles http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/floatIndent.html Regards Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] my site works on Mac, not PC :: suggestions???
Hi Shane, It's and IE problem. Looks great on Firefox. (I don't have linux :( Firefox 0.10.1) -- Gmail invites - just ask nicely On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:45:50 +1000, Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be nice to PC's. I've got a PC, and all that looks fine to me. Mind you, I'm running Linux... ;) (Firefox 0.10.1, SuSE 9.1) Josh p.s. I do get a JavaScript error, though. Error: window.attachEvent is not a function Source File: http://sonze.com/lange/includes/scripts.js Line: 73 On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 15:13, Shane Helm wrote: I was having a great week in my Mac world of coding my newest client's website in CSS XHTML. All was well in my happy little MacLife. The site was working just fine in Mac Safari, Firefox, Netscape, IE 5.2.3. Then I got curious as to what was going on in the PC world. So I went to a friend's PC (using IE) and what to my wondering eyes did appear - the site was pretty jumbled and didn't adhere (to my plans). Surprised? No. Upset? Of course. So I believe we need to forget making petitions to have Microsoft update IE, how about a petition to ban Microsoft from ever creating software again! Okay I'm ranting and raving. Sorry. If some of you have a moment, can you verify that my floats are jumbled or something is awry. I believe I've cleared my floats correctly. I'm not sure where I've gone wrong, but I must get a PC to check from now on. Must go shopping. Oh no, will I actually own a PC. Dreadful... Just teasing you PC folks. :) A couple of my html pages: http://sonze.com/lange/index.html http://sonze.com/lange/bios.html Now the CSS: http://sonze.com/lange/css/master.css Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Shane Helm ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Joshua Street base10solutions Website: http://www.base10solutions.com/ Phone: (02) 9898-0060 Fax: (02) 8572-6021 Mobile: 0425 808 469 E-mails and any attachments sent from base10solutions are to be regarded as confidential. Please do not distribute or publish any of the contents of this e-mail without the sender's consent. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to the e-mail, and then delete the message without making copies or using it in any way. Although base10solutions takes precautions to ensure that e-mail sent from our accounts are free of viruses, we encourage recipients to undertake their own virus scan on each e-mail before opening, as base10solutions accepts no responsibility for loss or damage caused by the contents of this e-mail. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] my site works on Mac, not PC :: suggestions???
On 16 Oct 2004, at 3:13 PM, Shane Helm wrote: I'm not sure where I've gone wrong, but I must get a PC to check from now on. Must go shopping. Oh no, will I actually own a PC. Dreadful... Just teasing you PC folks. :) I'm with you, Shane - I'd never use anything but a Mac as my main development machine. And swore fervently that I'd never own a PC. But as a developer, I accept that (a) I have to check my builds cross-platform, and (b) Microsoft get it wrong. My solution? Virtual PC. It's a boon, and not that expensive. The program is US$129, or US$249 including WinXPPro. The great thing is, once installed, you can run multiple PCs - so I have Win98, Win2K, and XP 'machines' - all right on my Mac. Cheap, cheap investment for effective testing. Never thought I'd be promoting MS software, but there ya go. See http://www.microsoft.com/mac/ for a tour/demo. I know this is drifting OT - apologies. So no replies here, please. If you (or anyone) wants to know more about the PC-on-Mac experience, email me direct. N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] my site works on Mac, not PC :: suggestions???
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joseph Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Hi Shane, It's and IE problem. Looks great on Firefox. (I don't have linux :( Firefox 0.10.1) Also very nice in Opera 7.51 -- definitely down to MSIE... -- Chris Hughes Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. (Groucho Marx) http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] my site works on Mac, not PC :: suggestions???
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, at 03:13 PM, Shane Helm wrote: Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! If others have solved your float problem Shane, can I suggest that you don't insist that the window resize itself to full-screen? I'm lucky enough to have a large screen (20 Apple Cinema Display, running at 1680 x 1050), like a small but presumably growing proportion of web users, and I just *don't* need to see that much of your repeating background ;-) I do however want to see the windows and applications I've got running behind my browser. To make the behaviour worse, Firefox places the resize tab *below* the window edge and out of reach, which is a pain to say the least. I'm sure you don't want to spoil the impression such a beautiful site makes on your visitors by instructing it to behaviour rudely in their environment. :o) Sorry for posting slightly off-topic, but I believe it's in keeping with the standards spirit of providing an equally enjoyable experience for every user. Cheers, Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] my site works on Mac, not PC :: suggestions???
I was having a great week in my Mac world of coding my newest client's website in CSS XHTML. All was well in my happy little MacLife. The site was working just fine in Mac Safari, Firefox, Netscape, IE 5.2.3. Then I got curious as to what was going on in the PC world. So I went to a friend's PC (using IE) and what to my wondering eyes did appear - the site was pretty jumbled and didn't adhere (to my plans). Surprised? No. Upset? Of course. So I believe we need to forget making petitions to have Microsoft update IE, how about a petition to ban Microsoft from ever creating software again! Okay I'm ranting and raving. Sorry. If some of you have a moment, can you verify that my floats are jumbled or something is awry. I believe I've cleared my floats correctly. I'm not sure where I've gone wrong, but I must get a PC to check from now on. Must go shopping. Oh no, will I actually own a PC. Dreadful... Just teasing you PC folks. :) A couple of my html pages: http://sonze.com/lange/index.html http://sonze.com/lange/bios.html Now the CSS: http://sonze.com/lange/css/master.css Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Shane Helm ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
