Re: [abcusers] Gscore 0.0.8 laetmotive released

2004-12-20 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Sébastien Tricaud wrote: Hi Folks, Gscore 0.0.8 laetmotive is out. This release focuses on bug fixing and improved score editing. Hi, I read about your Gscore 0.0.8, downloaded it, compiled it, and run it on my Linux Fedora Core 2 system. But looking at it, clicking

Re: [abcusers] Gscore 0.0.8 laetmotive released

2004-12-20 Thread rwfranz
Martin Tarenskeen wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Sébastien Tricaud wrote: Gscore 0.0.8 laetmotive is out. This release focuses on bug fixing and improved score editing. But looking at it, clicking everywhere, checking out all the menus, after 2 weeks I still don't have no idea how to create my first

Re: [abcusers] Yet another text based Music typesetting program

2004-12-17 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
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Re: [abcusers] Gscore 0.0.7 released

2004-12-15 Thread Sébastien Tricaud
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 22:32 +0100, Remo D. wrote: Sébastien Tricaud wrote: Hi folks, Gscore is a musical score editor. Looks interesting! Thanks, and sorry I saw this message quite late :( I'd like to try it, do you have a precompiled Win version? I promise I'll install Scons and

Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |

2004-12-13 Thread Atte André Jensen
Jon Freeman wrote: OK, I've found it - its a bug. See http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do;:YfiG?bug_id=4957565 Thanks alot. That's nice to know :-) Now I know where to dirrect my attention!!! Maybe there is a later version of Java that fixes it. I'll try different versions, also earlier

Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |

2004-12-13 Thread Jon Freeman
From: Atte André Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon Freeman wrote: Try alt 124 (hold alt [not alt gr] key and type 124 on number pad before releasing alt) Doesn't work OK, I've found it - its a bug. See http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do;:YfiG?bug_id=4957565 Maybe there is a later

Re: [abcusers] Re: Nice, free or affordable abcpackage runing under windows

2004-12-13 Thread Jean-Francois Moine
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:53:45 -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My suggestion is: abcm2ps.exe http://abcplus.sourceforge.net runabc.exe (with built-in tcl/tk) http://ifdo.pugmarks.com/~seymour/runabc/top.html) GNU GhostScript + GSView: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.html

Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |

2004-12-12 Thread Atte André Jensen
Wil Macaulay wrote: Atte, when you say 'it's the same in other applications do you mean that other java applications also will not allow you to enter the | key? Yes, that's what I mean... Is there a key on your keyboard that has the | key on it, or do you normally have to use a composition key

RE: [abcusers] Make only lyrics and chords from abc?

2004-12-12 Thread Richard Walker
The free programs at: http://world.std.com/~gdallal/UKE.HTM can produce the type output you mention. Just run the option that doesn't produce the ukulele chord diagrams. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ulf Bro Sent: Sunday, December 12,

RE: [abcusers] skink, java and |

2004-12-12 Thread Richard Walker
That would be possible, but considering how often we use | in abc I don't consider that an option... If there is no | available, perhaps you could use a substitute character (like a / or \ or ~) and do one search and replace at the end of your editing so you only have to worry about the | once?

Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |

2004-12-12 Thread Jon Freeman
From: Atte André Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wil Macaulay wrote: Atte, when you say 'it's the same in other applications do you mean that other java applications also will not allow you to enter the | key? Yes, that's what I mean... Is there a key on your keyboard that has the | key on it,

Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |

2004-12-12 Thread Atte André Jensen
Jon Freeman wrote: Try alt 124 (hold alt [not alt gr] key and type 124 on number pad before releasing alt) Doesn't work -- peace, love harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |

2004-12-11 Thread Wil Macaulay
Atte, when you say 'it's the same in other applications do you mean that other java applications also will not allow you to enter the | key? Is there a key on your keyboard that has the | key on it, or do you normally have to use a composition key sequence? wil Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi I

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-08 Thread Steven Bennett
Phil Taylor wrote: On 5 Dec 2004, at 19:30, RWW Taylor wrote: The back-quote character appears on the standard Mac keyboard on the upper-leftmost key, above the tab ­ very convenient. On my G4 PowerBook it's the key to the left of the Z, so I guess it's not really standardised, even on

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-06 Thread hfmlacerda
Em 6 Dec 2004, Jack Campin escreveu: The code: (6abc``def is (normally) interpreted as 6 notes in the time of 2 notes. I know. It shouldn't be, that's nothing like normal musical practice. Really, you are correct. [snip] Here are the results of my attempts to get round this. (It's

Re: [abcusers] GHB ... it gets worse ...

2004-12-05 Thread Jack Campin
A little dyslexia can get you in a whole lot trouble ... something about drugs, bagpipes and fighting in the UK hmm ...awareness about the dangers of GHB and its analogs- gamma hydroxy butyrate or maybe those who don't have GHB get into fights and get booked on GBH after being

Re: [abcusers] GHB ... it gets worse ...

2004-12-05 Thread Christian M. Cepel
You guys are awful *grin* I thought the entire procedure of learning the Highland Pipes is to make your fingers do something so unnatural and confusing that you'll never be able to type properly again! When I get my UP out and try to play it, it takes me a good ten minutes to reorganize my

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-05 Thread hfmlacerda
Hello. The code: (6abc``def is (normally) interpreted as 6 notes in the time of 2 notes. Try use a more precise syntax for tuplets, like: (6:4abc``def which stands for 6 notes in the time of 4 notes; or the complete form: (6:4:6abc``def which stands for a proportion of 6 notes in

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-05 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Hello. The code: (6abc``def is (normally) interpreted as 6 notes in the time of 2 notes. Try use a more precise syntax for tuplets, like: (6:4abc``def which stands for 6 notes in the time of 4 notes; or the complete form: (6:4:6abc``def which

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-05 Thread Remo D.
Bernard Hill wrote: But what's the apostrophe for? And what ascii character is it and how is it produced on keyboards anyway? It's a back quote (ASCII 96) according the 2.0 draft is to be ignored: A`B is equivalent to AB. On Dos/Win platform you can get it with Alt+96 (on the numeric keypad).

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-05 Thread RWW Taylor
The back-quote character appears on the standard Mac keyboard on the upper-leftmost key, above the tab very convenient. The character does appear to be just ignored by, say, the abc conversion software at http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html (unless it appears in the T: field, in

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-05 Thread Phil Taylor
On 5 Dec 2004, at 16:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. The code: (6abc``def is (normally) interpreted as 6 notes in the time of 2 notes. Try use a more precise syntax for tuplets, like: (6:4abc``def which stands for 6 notes in the time of 4 notes; or the complete form: (6:4:6abc``def which

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-05 Thread Phil Taylor
On 5 Dec 2004, at 19:30, RWW Taylor wrote: The back-quote character appears on the standard Mac keyboard on the upper-leftmost key, above the tab very convenient. On my G4 PowerBook it's the key to the left of the Z, so I guess it's not really standardised, even on the same platform. Phil

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-05 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Remo D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Bernard Hill wrote: But what's the apostrophe for? And what ascii character is it and how is it produced on keyboards anyway? It's a back quote (ASCII 96) according the 2.0 draft is to be ignored: A`B is equivalent to AB. Whew. I

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-05 Thread Jack Campin
The code: (6abc``def is (normally) interpreted as 6 notes in the time of 2 notes. I know. It shouldn't be, that's nothing like normal musical practice. Try use a more precise syntax for tuplets, like: (6:4abc``def which stands for 6 notes in the time of 4 notes; or the

Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming

2004-12-05 Thread Phil Taylor
% display totally messed up, playback wrong, it's not reading (6:4 as (6:4:6 You need both colons; (6, (6:: and (6:4: are all legal, 6:4 isn't. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Yet another text based Music typesetting program

2004-12-04 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: Anyone here who ever tried Philips Music Writer (pmw) ? I recently discovered it on http://www.quercite.com/pmw.html and it looks really powerful. I have built an RPM package from it on my Linux Fedora Core 2 system, and was wondering if anyone is

Re: [abcusers] Yet another text based Music typesetting program

2004-12-04 Thread Remo D.
And if anyone needs it, I've built Windows binaries. Just drop me an email and I'll send them to whoever is interested. R.D. Martin Tarenskeen wrote: But I have built an RPM package on my Linux Redhat FC2 system. After installing it, pmw should be ready to use. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point

Re: [abcusers] Finale GHB

2004-12-03 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian M. Cepel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Any workaround to Finale's inablity to play GBH music (ornamentations gracenotes) as they should sound in GBH music? LOL! I think you mean GHB - Great Highland Bagpipe. GBH means Grievous Bodily Harm. On second

Re: [abcusers] Finale GHB

2004-12-03 Thread Phil Taylor
On 3 Dec 2004, at 08:52, Bernard Hill wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian M. Cepel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Any workaround to Finale's inablity to play GBH music (ornamentations gracenotes) as they should sound in GBH music? LOL! I think you mean GHB - Great Highland Bagpipe. GBH

Re: [abcusers] Finale GHB

2004-12-03 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
Wow you guys are brutal ... get in a fight and you get sent to jail with bagpipe music (snicker, snicker). At 03:15 AM 12/3/2004, you wrote: On 3 Dec 2004, at 08:52, Bernard Hill wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian M. Cepel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Any workaround to Finale's

Re: [abcusers] Finale GHB

2004-12-03 Thread Guy Gascoigne - Piggford
There are some people (we call them music lovers) who might argue that the letter switch was quite appropriate :) sorry, couldn't resist. Guy Phil Taylor wrote: On 3 Dec 2004, at 08:52, Bernard Hill wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian M. Cepel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Any workaround

Re: [abcusers] GHB ... it gets worse ...

2004-12-03 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
A little dyslexia can get you in a whole lot trouble ... something about drugs, bagpipes and fighting in the UK hmm ...awareness about the dangers of GHB and its analogs- gamma hydroxy butyrate or maybe those who don't have GHB get into fights and get booked on GBH after being exposed to

Re: [abcusers] Gscore 0.0.7 released

2004-12-02 Thread Remo D.
Sébastien Tricaud wrote: Hi folks, Gscore is a musical score editor. Looks interesting! I'd like to try it, do you have a precompiled Win version? I promise I'll install Scons and GTK library to try compile it myself but I'm sure it won't be in a short time! R.D To subscribe/unsubscribe, point

Re: [abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)

2004-12-02 Thread John Walsh
John Chambers writes: Hmmm ... I see conflicting evidence here. If he's an academic, he should be completely at home with no-holds-barred discussions. Things like misattribution of quotes, quoting out of context, and blatant misrepresentation of others' ideas are the order of the day in

Re: [abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)

2004-12-02 Thread Zafiropoulos Vassilios
hi there, i've just subscribed and i would like to ask e couple of questions. 1. how do i

Re: [abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)

2004-12-02 Thread Toby Rider
On Dec 2, 2004, at 2:24 PM, John Walsh wrote: John Chambers writes: Hmmm ... I see conflicting evidence here. If he's an academic, he should be completely at home with no-holds-barred discussions. Things like misattribution of quotes, quoting out of context, and blatant misrepresentation

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-12-02 Thread Christian M. Cepel
Has anyone mentioned Noteworthy Composer? It's cheap and simple... Sometimes too simple. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Don Parrish-Bell wrote: Here's what I would hope to have (and working properly without an argument!): 1. You can pre-set the key signature, time signature and tempo. 2. You can

RE: [abcusers] Finale GHB

2004-12-02 Thread Richard Walker
I got Finale 2004, used it a while and then went back to abc and several different flavors of abc software depending on what I need to do. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Finale GHB

2004-12-02 Thread Karen
Gidday, I do not know about finale but Electric Pipes recognised abc and is easy to work in for GHB. It is also fairly inexpensive. Karen My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 3907 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com

Re: [abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)

2004-12-01 Thread Toby Rider
On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart from that, I've spent the last year studying for an MSc in Computing in Archaeology which has kept me fairly busy.  For an idea of what I've been up to have a look at - http://www.bryancreer.com/Castle.html You're an academic Bryan?

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-12-01 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Don Parrish-Bell wrote: Here's what I would hope to have (and working properly without an argument!): 1. You can pre-set the key signature, time signature and tempo. 2. You can easily setup multiple staffs 3. You can click on a note value from a menu or toolbar and place it

Re: [abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)

2004-12-01 Thread John Chambers
Toby Rider wrote: | | Apart from that, I've spent the last year studying for an MSc in | Computing in Archaeology which has kept me fairly busy.  For an idea | of what I've been up to have a look at - | http://www.bryancreer.com/Castle.html | | You're an academic Bryan? And to think that I

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-30 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Don Parrish-Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes No offense, Bernard, but $170.00 is more than I paid for Sibelius G7. I do like that you said it never argues with you ... definitely something in its favor! Then I don't know where you got your Sibelius from. The current

Re: [abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)

2004-11-30 Thread Phil Taylor
On 30 Nov 2004, at 06:52, Don Whitener wrote: I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has not posted to this group since early August 2003... Has he dropped out for a while? He does rather tend to drop

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-30 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
Yes, G7 is geared towards guitar and costs around $100.00 here. The full-blown version of Sibelius is around $600.00 here, I think, but they offer 50% off for music educators. I am SO thankful I didn't go for the full-blown version! Seems ridiculous to charge that much more for something

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-30 Thread Neil Jennings
Have you tried my program HARMONY? If so, what does it not do, that you need? Neil Jennings www.greenhedges.com Don Parrish-Bell wrote: I have played a bit with Harmony Assistant and it does indeed look promising ... It's author wants $70.00 for it, which is probably not too bad, but I hate to

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-30 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
Got it installed and gave it a quick go. Here's what I've found so far: 1. Can't seem to specify the key before you start. 2. Transpose seems to cause an error unless there are some notes placed. Once a few notes were placed, it seemed to ignore the transpose operation. 3. Note entry is clumsy

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-30 Thread Neil Jennings
Hi, Yes, there are a few things you can do. a) Specify 0 bars on the New FIle form, then it doesn't fill with rests. You can then drag and drop new notes which are added at the end of the score by default b) Edit the key using the mouse menu. Maybe I can add this to the new file form c) Agreed,

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-30 Thread Arent Storm
You may have a try with MusiCAD 3.0 beta. It uses abc as its 'second language' for import/export and adheres (more or less) to the 2.0 draft spec. see http://www.musicad.com for more info and download. Arent To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to:

Re: [abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)

2004-11-30 Thread John Chambers
Phil Taylor writes: | On 30 Nov 2004, at 06:52, Don Whitener wrote: | I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies | should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has | not posted to this group since early August 2003... Has he dropped out | for a

Re: [abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)

2004-11-30 Thread Don Whitener
At 06:54 PM 11/30/2004, John Chambers wrote: Phil Taylor writes: | On 30 Nov 2004, at 06:52, Don Whitener wrote: | I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies | should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has | not posted to this group since early

Re: [abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)

2004-11-30 Thread Jeff Szuhay
On Nov 30, 2004, at 7:54 PM, John Chambers wrote: Phil Taylor writes: | On 30 Nov 2004, at 06:52, Don Whitener wrote: | I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies | should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has | not posted to this group since

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-29 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
I have played a bit with Harmony Assistant and it does indeed look promising ... It's author wants $70.00 for it, which is probably not too bad, but I hate to jump into another program without even knowing how its printed output will look. The eval. version is very wounded can't save,

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-29 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
Isn't xemacs a unix only kind of thing? Not familiar with it, but I remember the emacs editor from years ago. Don At 02:51 AM 11/17/2004, you wrote: xemacs with abc-mode.el and then e.g. abcm2ps to produce printed output To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to:

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-29 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
I did have a brief chat with Laurie before his demise. That was quite a loss to the world. He was very gracious and helpful. It's a shame MUSE has not been picked up by someone else to support. It's still listed on Hitsquad and Harmony-Central. The OP wanted graphical input. Not many abc

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-29 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
No offense, Bernard, but $170.00 is more than I paid for Sibelius G7. I do like that you said it never argues with you ... definitely something in its favor! Any chance you or a representative will be at Winter NAMM in Anaheim this year? Don You might want to look at my Music Publisher 5 (for

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-29 Thread hfmlacerda
Do you use MS Windows, isn't it? Look at: http://www.xemacs.org/ http://www.xemacs.org/Download/index.html (for XEmacs) and http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html (GNU Emacs). Also get and read the emacs tutorials. The keystrokes are very different from MS-Windows

Re: [abcusers] Lilypond to ABC converter

2004-11-25 Thread Laura Conrad
Luis == Luis Pablo Gasparotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Luis Is there anybody working on a Lilypond to ABC converter? Why would you want to go that way? Just write it in ABC in the first place. Then use the abc to lilypond converter if you want to add some of the information that

Re: [abcusers] Lilypond to ABC converter

2004-11-25 Thread Luis Pablo Gasparotto
Laura, I have a few tunes I typed in Lilypond and I would like to convert them to ABC because is more readable. Regards, Luis Pablo Laura Conrad wrote: "Luis" == Luis Pablo Gasparotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-17 Thread Iain (Jethro) Anderson
xemacs with abc-mode.el and then e.g. abcm2ps to produce printed output --On Friday, November 12, 2004 13:07:06 -0800 Don Parrish-Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is probably off-topic, but I think the people on this list would be most qualified to help me! I have given up on Sibelius G7 as

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-17 Thread Phil Taylor
On 17 Nov 2004, at 10:51, Iain (Jethro) Anderson wrote: xemacs with abc-mode.el and then e.g. abcm2ps to produce printed output The OP wanted graphical input. Not many abc programs will do that - offhand I can only think of MUSE, which is very out of date and whose author is now sadly

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-17 Thread Jon Freeman
From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] The OP wanted graphical input. Not many abc programs will do that - offhand I can only think of MUSE, which is very out of date and whose author is now sadly deceased. Harmony Assistant would be worth a try as a program to match his requirements.

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-17 Thread Bernard Hill
--On Friday, November 12, 2004 13:07:06 -0800 Don Parrish-Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is probably off-topic, but I think the people on this list would be most qualified to help me! I have given up on Sibelius G7 as being tolerable as a notation entry tool! It fights everything you

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-17 Thread Neil Jennings
Have you looked at my program HARMONY? It can do a lot of what you want, including points 1,2,3,5,6,8,and 9, and can write the result in abc format I am currently updating the notation entry by adding drag and drop from toolbars - some of this is already in place. Don Parrish-Bell wrote: This

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-17 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
I'd be glad to check it out, Neil. Where do I download it from? Don At 12:26 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote: Have you looked at my program HARMONY? It can do a lot of what you want, including points 1,2,3,5,6,8,and 9, and can write the result in abc format I am currently updating the notation entry

Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator

2004-11-15 Thread Jean-Francois Moine
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:40:43 -0200, Hudson Lacerda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't see in abcm2ps-4.8.0 documentation an explicit limit for the number of temporary voices, or the difference between and . [snip] Yes, there are many lacks in the abcm2ps documentation! There is no

Re: [abcusers] abc2xml

2004-11-15 Thread Neil Jennings
I am currently working on an XML export capability for my program HARMONY, but no promises when it will be ready! Richard Robinson wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:33:25PM +0200, Kristian Nrgaard wrote: Does anyone know if abc2xml is a work in progress? I myself miss support

Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator

2004-11-13 Thread Tom Satter
John Walsh said: For instance, the 2.0 standard says that one should start the overlay at a barline. However, this might force one to extend the segment further than absolutely necessary, particularly if the barlines are sparse. The longer the segment, the harder the proofreading.

Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator

2004-11-12 Thread Phil Taylor
On 12 Nov 2004, at 02:16, Richard Robinson wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:23:59PM +, Phil Taylor wrote: On 11 Nov 2004, at 20:32, Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi I'm wondering how standard the overlay operator is? Which programs supports the following for instance: L:1/8 | G3G- G2FG [C8D8] |

Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator

2004-11-12 Thread Richard Robinson
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 10:35:11AM +, Phil Taylor wrote: On 12 Nov 2004, at 02:16, Richard Robinson wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:23:59PM +, Phil Taylor wrote: On 11 Nov 2004, at 20:32, Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi I'm wondering how standard the overlay operator is? Which

Re: [abcusers] JC's tune finder mirrors?

2004-11-12 Thread RWW Taylor
The mirror cited here works fine for me, at least at the moment. Glad to have this resource functioning again. /RWWT On Friday, November 12, 2004, at 11:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a mirror for JC's Tune Finder (and other scripts) at

Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator

2004-11-12 Thread Phil Taylor
On 12 Nov 2004, at 14:07, Richard Robinson wrote: From usrguide.tex :- the character is carried straight through to the TeX output and the characters produce a \enotes\notes pair. Thus the input DEFG ABcd A4 e2 c2| produces [2 staves] To explain this to those unfamiliar with MusicTeX, the

Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software

2004-11-12 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
This is probably off-topic, but I think the people on this list would be most qualified to help me! I have given up on Sibelius G7 as being tolerable as a notation entry tool! It fights everything you try to do! I was wondering if anyone on the list has a recommendation for a program that

Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator

2004-11-12 Thread John Walsh
Richard Robinson writes: abc2mtex did something with it, didn't it ? But I forget the details. Yes, as a matter of fact, it did. I was just thinking that what goes around, comes around, since this is now appearing once again. (By the way, there's no worry about backward compatibility

Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator

2004-11-12 Thread Hudson Lacerda
John Walsh wrote: [snip] A couple of questions. If I read the abcm2ps documentation correctly, it's possible to have two implicitly-defined voices on each staff (making three voices in all) one gotten with and the other with . (The limitation seems to come from the need to

Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator

2004-11-12 Thread Richard Robinson
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 05:53:21PM +, Phil Taylor wrote: On 12 Nov 2004, at 14:07, Richard Robinson wrote: the character is carried straight through to the TeX output and the characters produce a \enotes\notes pair. Thus the input DEFG ABcd A4 e2 c2| produces [2 staves] To explain

Re: [abcusers] Overlay operator [New]

2004-11-11 Thread RWW Taylor
Hi/ I recently signed up to this list, and to the digest. Could someone possibly point me to info on accessing the latter, so that I could catch up on current issues? Is there A FAQ, maybe? Thanks. /RWWT On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, at 01:34 AM, Remo D. wrote: I realized  that the overlay

RE: [abcusers] Overlay operator [New]

2004-11-11 Thread Richard Walker
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Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator

2004-11-11 Thread Phil Taylor
On 11 Nov 2004, at 20:32, Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi I'm wondering how standard the overlay operator is? Which programs supports the following for instance: L:1/8 | G3G- G2FG [C8D8] | AFAIK only abcm2ps supports it at the moment. I intend to support it in BarFly in due course. Phil Taylor

Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator

2004-11-11 Thread Richard Robinson
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:23:59PM +, Phil Taylor wrote: On 11 Nov 2004, at 20:32, Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi I'm wondering how standard the overlay operator is? Which programs supports the following for instance: L:1/8 | G3G- G2FG [C8D8] | AFAIK only abcm2ps supports it at

Re: [abcusers] Overlay operator

2004-11-10 Thread Phil Taylor
On 10 Nov 2004, at 06:34, Remo D. wrote: I realized that the overlay operator is the only one that moves the time backward. I think the 2.0 standard is not very clear on this operator, I'll try to summarize how it will implemented in ABCp, of course everything is subject to discussions and

Re: [abcusers] Overlay operator

2004-11-10 Thread Hudson Lacerda
Phil Taylor wrote: On 10 Nov 2004, at 06:34, Remo D. wrote: 3) overaly may occur on multiple measures G(A | bc d | F)g -- d = A, F = b, g = c No, I think the operator sets the time back to the bar line, so this should be A=G d=b (bar doesn't add up) and g=F. Or have I got the wrong end of

Re: [abcusers] Overlay operator

2004-11-10 Thread Tom Satter
We use the ( ) construct all the time. We use ABC to capture vocal music for doing rehearsal tapes. There are many places in vocal music where a single part (such as the Bass part) splits into two voices (Baritone and Bass) for a short time (such as two four bar phrases). Without the (

Re: [abcusers] Overlay operator

2004-11-10 Thread Remo D.
Ok, I'll try to implement both and ( ... ... ) . Hudson is right, the latter only appears in the abcm2ps docs but Tom gave a good example of how useful it could be. I noticed that Tom used instead of , should I consider and as synonyms? I'll take Phil's suggestion of emetting an error

Re: [abcusers] Overlay operator

2004-11-10 Thread Hudson Lacerda
Very good sample! It's noted that the source formatation (vertical alignment of the corresponding measures) is crucial for reading. Hudson Tom Satter wrote: We use the ( ) construct all the time. We use ABC to capture vocal music for doing rehearsal tapes. There are many places in vocal

Re: [abcusers] [ABCp] Parts

2004-10-30 Thread Remo D.
Wil Macaulay wrote: Yes, I do have a suggestion: if you really want to implement a 'generic parser', start by choosing a standard to implement. If you want to suggest changes to the standard, do so as an independent process. Otherwise you'll end up with a parser that only parses non-standard

Re: [abcusers] abc2xml

2004-10-29 Thread Richard Robinson
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:33:25PM +0200, Kristian Nørgaard wrote: Does anyone know if abc2xml is a work in progress? I myself miss support for lyrics, and according to http://home.austin.rr.com/johner/abc2xml/abc2xml.htm#features there are a lot of other limitations. I don't know for sure,

Re: [abcusers] [ABCp] Parts

2004-10-29 Thread Wil Macaulay
Yes, I do have a suggestion: if you really want to implement a 'generic parser', start by choosing a standard to implement. If you want to suggest changes to the standard, do so as an independent process. Otherwise you'll end up with a parser that only parses non-standard abc... having said

Re: [abcusers] [ABCp] Parts

2004-10-28 Thread Remo D.
Neil Jennings wrote: I still think my suggestion is more general, as it allows the internal part name (one letter) to be totally independent of the displayed text (Part description). Remo's proposal would only allow one word (part name) to start with each letter. Therefore if there was a part

Re: [abcusers] [ABCp] Parts

2004-10-27 Thread Neil Jennings
My program would reject (ignore) any part specification longer than one letter. Your proposal could lead to ambiguous part specifications, if one name matched part of another name. I can see the need for the part specification to have two 'parts', one the single letter identifier to be used in

Re: [abcusers] Is the list back again?

2004-10-27 Thread Richard Robinson
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 10:00:20AM -0700, Toby Rider wrote: I'll communicate with the folks at mail-archive and let them know how to get a feed from the list again, now that I've tightened up security and squashed the spam problem (for now). Thanks for doing that, it was getting to be a

Re: [abcusers] [ABCp] Parts

2004-10-27 Thread Hudson Lacerda
Neil Jennings wrote (about Remo proposal): My program would reject (ignore) any part specification longer than one letter. Your proposal could lead to ambiguous part specifications, if one name matched part of another name. Remo proposal (below) avoids ambiguity by distinguishing between

Re: [abcusers] [ABCp] Parts

2004-10-27 Thread hfmlacerda
Em 25 Oct 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: My program would reject (ignore) any part specification longer than one letter. Your proposal could lead to ambiguous part specifications, if one name matched part of another name. Remo's proposal avoids the ambiguity by distinguishing the

Re: [abcusers] Is the list back again?

2004-10-25 Thread Toby Rider
I'll communicate with the folks at mail-archive and let them know how to get a feed from the list again, now that I've tightened up security and squashed the spam problem (for now). Toby On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Remo D. wrote: I'm happy to see that the list is back again. The only problem I see

Re: [abcusers] Is the list back again?

2004-10-25 Thread Remo D.
Oh, well, it seems it has already been fixed! BTW. Thanks for having restored the list Toby! R.D Toby Rider wrote: I'll communicate with the folks at mail-archive and let them know how to get a feed from the list again, now that I've tightened up security and squashed the spam problem (for now).

Re: [abcusers] [ABCp] Decoration J

2004-10-24 Thread Remo D.
Thanks. I'll take as a sinonym for +slide+ then! R.D. John Chambers wrote: Remo D. asks: | I still have to fix parts and continuations with the latest suggestion | but there's something else that I can do very quickly: can anyone tell | me what the decoration J is? In abc2ps, it produces the short

Re: [abcusers] [ABCp] Parts

2004-10-24 Thread Neil Jennings
Because the P: text appears above the staff, people have mis-used it to add comments which have nothing to do with parts. In the tune header, it can have a formula such as (AB)2(AC)3 In the body, it must be just a single letter HARMONY can play tunes according to the formula, including nested

Re: [abcusers] [ABCp] Parts

2004-10-24 Thread Remo D.
Neil Jennings wrote: Because the P: text appears above the staff, people have mis-used it to add comments which have nothing to do with parts. In the tune header, it can have a formula such as (AB)2(AC)3 In the body, it must be just a single letter HARMONY can play tunes according to the formula,

Re: [abcusers] [ABCp] Line continuation

2004-10-23 Thread Remo D.
Hudson Lacerda wrote: It seems that you coded a line continuation similar to those of bash or C That's what I did. Continuation gets reported (a T_CONTINUE event) and the scanner stays in the same state. [V:1] abcde \ [V:2] ABCDE \ [V:1] cdedc [V:2] CDEDC is equivalent to: [V:1] abcde cdedc

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