[CITTERN] Re: new source for wire strings

2012-04-19 Thread Andrew Hartig
Dear Rob et al., By rose brass I assume you mean the brass made by Malcolm Rose. I'm not sure which one you mean, as he appears to have two types: Red brass (a 90/10 mix of copper and something else, probably mostly zinc) and English brass (a 70/30 mix of ditto). I do not carry

[CITTERN] Oswald's Divertimentis - mp3s and score

2011-07-30 Thread Andrew Hartig
Hi all, Rob MacKillop just sent me a message to repost to this list. As an owner of the original CD, I highly recommend this music. It is very generous of him to make the mp3s and score freely available! (The compositions are about half way down the page.) AMH As the record company who

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2011-07-13 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
Magic erection is possible!. [1]http://graphique-com.fr/sites.friend.php?cgoogleId=08kj1 -- References 1. http://graphique-com.fr/sites.friend.php?cgoogleId=08kj1 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[CITTERN] New here with this instrument

2011-06-21 Thread Claudia Finke
[1]http://www.finke-family.de/images/Cister.jpeg Hello everyone, I am new here - my name is Claudia and I'm from Germany. I now have the above citter, which is a handmade instrument only used for the recording of an album. Does anyone know whether I can use literature for luths

[CITTERN] Re: New here with this instrument

2011-06-21 Thread Stuart Walsh
On 21/06/2011 16:03, Claudia Finke wrote: [1]http://www.finke-family.de/images/Cister.jpeg Hello everyone, I am new here - my name is Claudia and I'm from Germany. I now have the above citter, which is a handmade instrument only used for the recording of an album. Does anyone

[CITTERN] Otley MS - on-line

2011-02-08 Thread Andrew Hartig
Dear all, I am proud to announce that I heard from John H. Robinson today that he has arranged for the Houghton Library at Harvard to make a digital copy of the complete Otley Cittern Book [US-CAh Mus.181] and for them to post it on-line on their website for all to see. The

[CITTERN] Happy new year 2011

2011-01-01 Thread Damien Delgrossi
Dear friends, I wish to all Of you all the best for this new year 2011! Rgds, Damien Delgrossi Envoyé de mon iPhone To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[CITTERN] English guitar in Oslo Folk museum

2010-10-18 Thread stelios christodoulou
I visited this museum in the summer. They have an english guitar by Longman Broderip (mentioned in the norwegian language info) that looked very much like the one in this link: http://www.studia-instrumentorum.de/MUSEUM/ZISTER/0628.htm . The info also named Nicolai Benjamin Aall and his

[CITTERN] A piece for (English) guitar by G.B. Noferi

2010-09-15 Thread Stuart Walsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbRPlJxGbXw Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[CITTERN] a couple of (English) guitar/guittar pieces

2010-09-05 Thread Stuart Walsh
An Allegretto from Merchi's Dodici Suonate (1765) Sonata III for solo guitar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFezGHDyvYo and an Allegro non Tropo [sic] from Noferi's Six Sonatas or Lessons for the guitar (c1775) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojh60MFFAoM Stuart To get on or off this

[CITTERN] Re: [CITTERN]

2010-09-01 Thread ro...@cetrapublishing.com
You have a very nice sounding cetra, Stuart. I suppose you remember that Ford cautions about getting a well-fretted instrument - the Hintz I used to have had a very flat 7th fret, certainly not something from any temperament that I've ever heard. Eventually, I had it it redone. It's not

[CITTERN] Siciliana by Ghillini di Asuni

2010-08-31 Thread Stuart Walsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rEWuClKCD4 A Siciliana by the rather dubiously named Ghillini di Asuni who published a few books, right up to the late 1780s. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[CITTERN] North America in January

2010-08-22 Thread ro...@cetrapublishing.com
Greetings from the Alps! I'm going to be in Michigan in January - I have a few gigs between there and Ontario. If you would like to have me play, do a workshop, or give a lecture/concert during that time, please drop me a line and let me know. Thanks, Doc

[CITTERN] Re: Allemande by D. Ritter

2010-08-22 Thread Stuart Walsh
ro...@cetrapublishing.com wrote: Nice to hear someone else playing Ritter! I think his music is interesting, but I also think you're short changing Schumann and Straube. There is actually quite a bit of writing that accompanies itself even if, on paper, it doesn't appear so. Have a play

[CITTERN]

2010-08-22 Thread ro...@cetrapublishing.com
ro...@cetrapublishing.com wrote: Nice to hear someone else playing Ritter! I think his music is interesting, but I also think you're short changing Schumann and Straube. There is actually quite a bit of writing that accompanies itself even if, on paper, it doesn't appear so. Have a play

[CITTERN]

2010-08-22 Thread ro...@cetrapublishing.com
ro...@cetrapublishing.com wrote: Nice to hear someone else playing Ritter! I think his music is interesting, but I also think you're short changing Schumann and Straube. There is actually quite a bit of writing that accompanies itself even if, on paper, it doesn't appear so. Have a play

[CITTERN]

2010-08-22 Thread ro...@cetrapublishing.com
I can suggest two things to look at to resolve intonation issues. First, have a look at the nut. Do the strings lay in the grooves properly? It could be that the top of the nut is curved or that the grooves are not cut properly, so that some or all of the strings don't lay in the groove right up

[CITTERN] Re: [CITTERN]

2010-08-22 Thread Stuart Walsh
ro...@cetrapublishing.com wrote: I can suggest two things to look at to resolve intonation issues. First, have a look at the nut. Do the strings lay in the grooves properly? It could be that the top of the nut is curved or that the grooves are not cut properly, so that some or all of the

[CITTERN] Black Jack and Port Patrick (from Bremner's Instructions 1758)

2010-08-22 Thread Stuart Walsh
A couple of Scottish tunes from Bremner (1758) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HlQPIP22-s Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[CITTERN] Allemande by D. Ritter

2010-08-21 Thread Stuart Walsh
Apart from a couple of publications for a guittar in A (Marella) and one or two for a guittar in G, the repertoire for the English guitar/guittar is in C. And the tutors and instructions all agree on the tuning of the instrument to a C major chord: c-e-g-c-e-g. Some surviving instruments even

[CITTERN] Re: Closure of Victoria and Albert musical instrument collection

2010-01-14 Thread 7443824
Read and weep... Ed Margerum - Forwarded Message - From: G Chew To: musicology-...@jiscmail.ac.uk Sent: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:04:09 + (UTC) Subject: [MUSICOLOGY-ALL] Fw: Closure of Victoria and Albert musical instrument collection Forwarded from the

[CITTERN] contemporary EG depictions?

2010-01-13 Thread Andrew Hartig
I'm wondering if anyone knows if there are any depictions of English guittars -- either woodcuts or engravings -- from contemporary treatises or music books? I can't recall ever having seen any, but it doesn't mean they don't exist I'm looking specifically for line-art -- something that is

[CITTERN] Re: contemporary EG depictions?

2010-01-13 Thread Rob MacKillop
Sure. Bremner's 'Instructions' has a drawing of a guittar, curiously with only three double strings and three single basses. Geminiani also has this image, but his guittar work was also published by Bremner. By the way, Bremner's son, also called Robert, studied guittar with

[CITTERN] Re: Nanki library on-line

2010-01-06 Thread Stuart Walsh
David van Ooijen wrote: Surfacing on this list once in a while: questions about the Nanki Music Library in Japan. Now they have put some of their books on line: http://note.dmc.keio.ac.jp/music-library/nanki/ I don't see the mss available yet, but 500 printed works should keep us happy for a

[CITTERN] english guitar on EBAY!

2009-11-01 Thread Christopher Davies
Hello all, just to let you know, I've listed an English Guitar on EBAY, as I don't think I'm going to get around to restoring it. christopher -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[CITTERN] Re: D. Ritter and other English guitar things

2009-10-11 Thread Stuart Walsh
Hey Stuart, I had my 7-course guittar built after reading Bland's book years ago. There is a 7-course Preston in Paris. I use Ritter's tuning for some pieced as well - it does make a few fingerings a little more logical. Don't forget that Oswald suggests tuning in G as well, suggesting that

[CITTERN] Re: D. Ritter and other English guitar things

2009-10-11 Thread Stuart Walsh
James Tyler wrote: Hi Stuart, Highly interesting info about Bland, Marella and Ritter. I looked out my photocopy of the Ritter Lessons which was taken from the late Bob Spencer's Collection. It is a later edition published by Longman Broderip (ca. 1770). No mention on the title page of

[CITTERN] Cangielosi ren Cittern on eBay

2009-09-29 Thread Damien Delgrossi
EnvoyA(c) de mon iPhone DA(c)but du message transfA(c)rA(c) : ExpA(c)diteur: eBay [1]e...@ebay.fr Date: 29 septembre 2009 10:35:19 HAEC Destinataire: [2]damien.delgro...@orange.fr Objet: Vous pouvez encore remporter l'objet CITARA - CISTER - CITTERN - CITHER (260480812480)

[CITTERN] Re: Cittern on ebay

2009-09-29 Thread Stuart Walsh
Damien Delgrossi wrote: http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260480812480ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:FR:1123 Envoyé de mon iPhone How much did it sell for, Damien? The photos were quite dark and it was hard to see details. It looked like a nice instrument but was it a made from a

[CITTERN] new edition

2009-09-12 Thread Rob MacKillop
I've now added modern folk cittern arrangements of my Twenty-Five 17th-Century Scottish Tunes to the website: [1]www.RMmusicpublications.com On that page follow the link for 'more info' and you will find a free piece from the edition. The full edition will cost you a mere -L-5 (5

[CITTERN] Re: Thomas Thackray again (again)

2009-09-10 Thread Stuart Walsh
Stuart Walsh wrote: Thomas Thackray (of Skeldergate, York) - 'linen weaver and musician' (!) published music for the guittar in the 1760s and 1770s. There are records of him playing with other musicians as far back as 1733 (in the Assembly Rooms in York) but no record of what instrument he

[CITTERN] Re: Thomas Thackray

2009-09-09 Thread Damien Delgrossi
Hello Stuart, Beautiful music. that is the first time I listen Thackray's music and I like it very much. Congratulations for the interpretation, you're really a great guittar player! Thanks again, Damien - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: cittern

[CITTERN] Re: Thomas Thackray

2009-09-09 Thread Damien Delgrossi
Oups, I wanted to watch it again and youtube said : the use deleted the video... - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: cittern list cittern@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:11 AM Subject: [CITTERN] Thomas Thackray A little bit is

[CITTERN] Re: Thomas Thackray

2009-09-09 Thread Stuart Walsh
Damien Delgrossi wrote: Oups, I wanted to watch it again and youtube said : the use deleted the video... Damien Thanks for your comments. It really was a bit rough - even for me! (Especially the first tune, the second was OK enough). I'm uploading a Lesson by Thomas Thackray at the moment.

[CITTERN] Thomas Thackray again

2009-09-09 Thread Stuart Walsh
Thomas Thackray (of Skeldergate, York) - 'linen weaver and musician' (!) published music for the guittar in the 1760s and 1770s. There are records of him playing with other musicians as far back as 1733 (in the Assembly Rooms in York) but no record of what instrument he played. Haxby

[CITTERN] Thomas Thackray

2009-09-07 Thread Stuart Walsh
A little bit is known about Thomas Thackray and his life as a musician in Yorkshire in the second half of the 18th century. He published lessons and airs for the guittar (English guitar). His Forty Four Airs' have simple duets as well as solos. The duet format for English guitar with a second

[CITTERN] Re: Did Telemann play the cittern?

2009-09-02 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Most of Telemann's cantatas have a BC part for a Gallichon. My view is that they are for the large continuo instrument in A (string length in mid 90s) rather than the smaller instrument in D also known as mandora (some sources use the two names interchangeably) with a string length

[CITTERN] Re: Did Telemann play the cittern?

2009-09-01 Thread Stuart Walsh
Frank Nordberg wrote: I just stumbled across the Telemann biography at HOASM: http://www.hoasm.org/XIA/XIATelemann.html It says: .. by the age of 10 he had teamed to play the violin, the flute, the zither, and keyboard instruments. .. No sources are quoted. Does anybody know anything about

[CITTERN] Re: Did Telemann play the cittern?

2009-09-01 Thread Stuart Walsh
Frank Nordberg wrote: A connection between Telemann and the mandora is news to me though. Martyn? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[CITTERN] pacoloni on youtube

2009-08-29 Thread Doc Rossi
The Bacheler Consort plays Pacoloni : [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJa0byWuhpU -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJa0byWuhpU To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[CITTERN] guittar video

2009-08-24 Thread Rob MacKillop
I've just uploaded my first 'guittar', English Guitar, 18th-century cittern, cetra video! [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW-KR3yRNjUeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E youtube%2Ecom%2Fuser%2FBalcarresGuyfeature=player_profilepage The poor instrument had lain unplayed for a few years.

[CITTERN] Re: guittar video

2009-08-24 Thread Doc Rossi
Great playing as always, Rob. I hope this means you'll continue to play the guittar more often. Doc On Aug 24, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: I've just uploaded my first 'guittar', English Guitar, 18th-century cittern, cetra video!

[CITTERN] Re: guittar video

2009-08-24 Thread Damien Delgrossi
As we say in my country : Era Ora!!! :-) Congratulations and thanks for sharing it! Damien - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop luteplay...@googlemail.com To: Cittern cittern@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: [CITTERN] guittar video I've just

[CITTERN] Re: guittar video

2009-08-24 Thread Stuart Walsh
Rob MacKillop wrote: I've just uploaded my first 'guittar', English Guitar, 18th-century cittern, cetra video! [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW-KR3yRNjUeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E youtube%2Ecom%2Fuser%2FBalcarresGuyfeature=player_profilepage The poor instrument had lain

[CITTERN] Re: guittar video

2009-08-24 Thread luteplayer1
On 24 Aug 2009 18:08, Doc Rossi ro...@cetrapublishing.com wrote: I hope this means you'll continue to play the guittar more often. I've no idea. No plans for it. Mainly playing the banjo these days...hanging out at the ning minstrelbanjo site and the ning classic-banjo site. I

[CITTERN] Re: guittar video

2009-08-24 Thread Stuart Walsh
I've just uploaded my first 'guittar', English Guitar, 18th-century cittern, cetra video! [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW-KR3yRNjUeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E youtube%2Ecom%2Fuser%2FBalcarresGuyfeature=player_profilepage The poor instrument had lain unplayed for a few

[CITTERN] Re: guittar video

2009-08-24 Thread Andrew Rutherford
Bravo! You're a great 18th Century wire-strung guittar player! andy r On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Rob MacKillop [1]luteplay...@googlemail.com wrote: I've just uploaded my first 'guittar', English Guitar, 18th-century cittern, cetra video!

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch- Hintz - English guitar(guittar)

2009-08-19 Thread Stuart Walsh
Andrew Rutherford wrote: Here's the quote from Hintz, from the Public Advertiser, Mar 17, 1766: that he has, after many Years Study and Application in endeavouring to bring this favourite Instrument the Guittar (being the first Inventor) still to a greater perfection in regard to tuning and

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [rights]

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you for this and especially for reminding me of the Moravian church (in particular the missions to North America in the 18thC). This spurred me to search more about it and I see that it was indeed originally located in Bohemia and Moravia but that after counter reformation

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch- missing pages?

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Andrew, Further to this, I see two pages with music are missing: 1. That containing Chorales 32 - 35 (fol 8v?) 2. Containing polonaises 9 - 10 (fol 17?) I see they're mentioned in the MS description which you also kindly copied. Martyn --- On Tue, 18/8/09,

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [some music]

2009-08-18 Thread Stuart Walsh
I'm assuming that the sentence in the intro to Moravian Choralbuch, here: http://www.cittern.theaterofmusic.com/musicfiles/index.html The manuscript and its music may not be reproduced or published without the consent of the Moravian Archives refers to the music notation, not attempts - puny

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [rights]

2009-08-18 Thread Andrew Rutherford
Re the cittern and the Moravians, Lanie Graf published something in a recent Moravian Archives journal all about citterns, Moravians and Frederick Hintz, the furniture maker turned guittar maker. You can find the relevent (sp?) info on her ning page. By the way, Hintz claimed to

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [some music]

2009-08-18 Thread Andrew Rutherford
Bravo! I agree about the order of difficulty business. That came from somebody's doctoral thesis that briefly mentioned this MS... andy r On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: I'm assuming that the sentence in the intro to Moravian

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [rights]

2009-08-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Andrew and Stuart, Having just now looked at the tablature, I wonder if the the instrument intended was in fact the mandora rather than the cittern. Altho' most mid-18thC mandora tunings are similar to the 'spanish' guitar intervals (except mostly for only a tone between 5th

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [rights]

2009-08-17 Thread Mjos Larson
In the Storm Ms. you will see the 11 or || (two vertical strokes) in some of the pieces. The #2 Menuet, for example, uses that symbol in the second section. -- R On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Martyn Hodgson wrote: Dear Andrew and Stuart, Having just now looked

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [rights]

2009-08-17 Thread Frank Nordberg
Stuart Walsh wrote: I haven't seen many mandora tablatures but I agree that this Moravian tablature looks very similar. Couldn't that be just the tablature style of the time and place - whatever the instrument? Probably. I can't see any reason why tablature notation style would differ

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [rights]

2009-08-17 Thread Stuart Walsh
Frank Nordberg wrote: I have kept the post where Andrew R. first brught up the Moravian ms. He said: There is a book of chorales in tablature from c.1750 in the Moravian Archives in Bethlehem PA, that may be for cittern. In other words, he wasn't at that time absolutely sure what instrument

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [rights]

2009-08-17 Thread Frank Nordberg
Stuart Walsh wrote: I'm not joined up to this ning thing I can undrstand that. I too prefer the maillist. ;-) - and so I'm in the position of anyone searching the Internet for information on citterns - the information is hidden. Is the instrument in the ning photo (and, presumably in the

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch (chorales and hymns)

2009-08-16 Thread Stuart Walsh
Andrew Hartig wrote: Dear all, Some time back Andy Rutherford had told us about a manuscript book (BMB4) in the Moravian Archives of Bethlehem, PA (USA) for 6-course cittern, tuned GCEgbe. Andy managed to get over there to take some photos, and after quite a few emails with the folks at the

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch [rights]

2009-08-16 Thread Andrew Hartig
I will need to check with Lanie Graf about the rights for performance. I think it may be a semantic issue of what qualifies as music. I believe the permission should be sought only for the reproduction of the tablature (music) of physical manuscript (e.g. you would need to seek

[CITTERN] Moravian Choralbuch

2009-08-15 Thread Andrew Hartig
Dear all, Some time back Andy Rutherford had told us about a manuscript book (BMB4) in the Moravian Archives of Bethlehem, PA (USA) for 6-course cittern, tuned GCEgbe. Andy managed to get over there to take some photos, and after quite a few emails with the folks at the Moravian Archives, I

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch

2009-08-15 Thread Stuart Walsh
Andrew Hartig wrote: Dear all, Some time back Andy Rutherford had told us about a manuscript book (BMB4) in the Moravian Archives of Bethlehem, PA (USA) for 6-course cittern, tuned GCEgbe. Andy managed to get over there to take some photos, and after quite a few emails with the folks at the

[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch

2009-08-15 Thread Stuart Walsh
Stuart Walsh wrote: Andrew Hartig wrote: Dear all, Some time back Andy Rutherford had told us about a manuscript book (BMB4) in the Moravian Archives of Bethlehem, PA (USA) for 6-course cittern, tuned GCEgbe. Andy managed to get over there to take some photos, and after quite a few emails

[CITTERN] Re: Hamburger Cittrinchen (sp) / Bell Cittern music

2009-08-03 Thread Frank Nordberg
Andrew Rutherford wrote: I'm trying to find out how much music there is for citterns in this tuning. There doesn't seem to be much known music for Hamburger Cittrinchen in any tuning. James Tyler mentioned on the ning group that he's working on compiling lists of music for various

[CITTERN] Hamburger Cittrinchen (sp) / Bell Cittern music

2009-08-02 Thread Andrew Rutherford
Dear Cittern Bunch, A while back I put up a notice about a tablature Choralbuch in the Moravian archives in Bethlehem, PA. It's for an instrument tuned nominally GCEgbe. I'm trying to find out how much music there is for citterns in this tuning. All I know of is the Edvard

[CITTERN] Re: Hamburger Cittrinchen (sp) / Bell Cittern music

2009-08-02 Thread Stuart Walsh
Andrew Rutherford wrote: Dear Cittern Bunch, A while back I put up a notice about a tablature Choralbuch in the Moravian archives in Bethlehem, PA. It's for an instrument tuned nominally GCEgbe. I'm trying to find out how much music there is for citterns in this tuning. All

[CITTERN] Re: English guitar (guittar)

2009-07-27 Thread Rob MacKillop
It's a simple instrument with a repertoire mainly for amateurs - but it's definitely an instrument with 'issues'. To me, it seems to combine two opposites: a mechanical instrument like a music box ...and a badly behaved set of bagpipes. Classic Eeyore commentary. Cheer up,

[CITTERN] Re: English guitar (guittar)

2009-07-27 Thread Stuart Walsh
Seems to have an odd bridge, but it is difficult to see it clearly. Is it original? No I don't think it's original, and it's quite high so it would be difficult to play with the little finger planted on the soundboard. But I can't play that way, anyway. Seriously, Stuart, it really

[CITTERN] English guitar (guittar)

2009-07-26 Thread Stuart Walsh
Some attempts at some pieces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yquqU2Towi0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwcF8u-LqR0feature=channel_page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWiSoQTKk0ofeature=channel_page It's a simple instrument with a repertoire mainly for amateurs - but it's definitely an

[CITTERN] Re: English guitar (guittar)

2009-07-26 Thread Doc Rossi
Nice work, Stuart - I especially enjoyed the Noferi. Doc On Jul 27, 2009, at 12:27 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Some attempts at some pieces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yquqU2Towi0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwcF8u-LqR0feature=channel_page

[CITTERN] Citole

2009-05-15 Thread Peter Forrester
Replying to Damien's enquiry about citole tuning's, I suspect that the current answer is that we don't know, and that it probably varied between musicians. Christopher Page suggests that d, a, d', g' (Voices and Instruments of the Middle Ages, 1987) is likely for the citole and other

[CITTERN] Citole

2009-05-14 Thread Damien Delgrossi
Hello everybody, Since cittern ning group has opened, the mailing list is becoming dead, or zombie! :) I am going to ressusitate it for a small question :do we know how was tune the citole? If not, do we have an idea to find a correct tuning? The citole I have seen are tuned from low to

[CITTERN] Ashmolean citterns

2009-02-07 Thread Peter Forrester
Thanks Stuart, for the pretty pictures. Probably everybody knows that drawings are available of the three citterns shown? On the left, Gasparo da Salo, Brescia, 11 pegs, so probably five courses 2+2+3+2+2. Unfortunately the fingerboard was replaced by the Hills and is now in equal

[CITTERN] some rather sinister cittern pics (4)

2009-02-05 Thread Stuart Walsh
Citterns in the Ashmolean. Lots of other plunder in this museum. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/cittern/ Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[CITTERN] Timo's citoles

2009-02-03 Thread Stuart Walsh
On his cittern ning website: http://cittern.ning.com/profile/TimoPeedu Timo Peedo has photos of 3 different citoles. citole 1 (photos 3 and 4): looks like a reconstruction of the British Museum (Warwick Castle 'gittern') instrument - but simpler. Kate McWilliams was at the last Early Music

[CITTERN] English Guittar players and makers

2009-01-29 Thread Damien Delgrossi
Hi everybody, I was thinking for a moment to establish a list of english guittar players and makers. Musicians : Doc Rossi Rob McKillop Pedro Cabral James Tyler Andy Rutherford Taro Takeuchi Robin Jeffrey Stuart Walsh David Kilpatrick Robert Mouland Steve Player Martin Best (not sure) Gabe

[CITTERN] Re: Cittern in Crete

2008-11-29 Thread Damien Delgrossi
Hello Peter, This postcard shows the famous cretan duet Lira-Bulgari or Lira-Laouto, still popular today. But I agree that the shape of the plucked instrument is a cittern shape. I don't know if this picture wants to show a cittern, I don't think so. But it makes me thinking to a corsican

[CITTERN] Cittern in Crete

2008-11-28 Thread Damien Delgrossi
Dear all, Two weeks ago I spent some good times with a Cretan group who was on tour in Corsica. They played many Cretan and Greek flutes, Laouto (Cretan wire-strung lute similar to italian mandoloncello), Bulgari (built by ning member Dimitris Rapakousios), Lavta (Constantinople Lute, more or

[CITTERN] Re: Cittern in Crete

2008-11-28 Thread stelios christodoulou
Hi Damien, there is a considerable body of literature from venetian Crete, especially theatre plays but also poems. Most of it got printed in Venice back in the 17th century and there are modern editions around as these texts are still appreciated. I can't remember of the top off my head of

[CITTERN] Re: Cittern in Crete

2008-11-28 Thread Peter Forrester
Hi Damien, I hope this works. I attach a photo of a postcard sent me some ten years ago from Crete by Patrick Delaval. It seems to be evidence that citterns were at least still a folk-memory, even if not still in use. Best wishes, Peter On 28 Nov 2008, at 20:13, Damien Delgrossi wrote:

[CITTERN] Re: Cittern in Crete

2008-11-28 Thread cittern2006
To my knowledge, The Dartmouth list does not support attachments... The Ning site is a good place for them, and I am always willing and happy to post them via my cittern site if needed. -A: Hi Damien, I hope this works. I attach a photo of a postcard sent me some ten years ago from Crete

[CITTERN] Re: Bellman, Storm, Moravia and the Hamburger cittrinchen (and the lute-cittern too)

2008-11-20 Thread Stuart Walsh
Frank Nordberg wrote: I got a reply from Britta Peterson at the Stockholm Stadmuseum. The reason why she was unable to answer right away turned out to be that the musueum don't actually own the cittern. They have it for a long time from another museum (the Swedish Historical Museum) and was

[CITTERN] Re: Bellman, Storm, Moravia and the Hamburger cittrinchen (and the lute-cittern too)

2008-11-20 Thread Rob MacKillop
(did Rob mentions this instrument sometime?) I don't think so...which doesn't mean I didn't...can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning...getting old... Rob (I think) -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[CITTERN] Re: Bellman, Storm, Moravia and the Hamburger cittrinchen (and the lute-cittern too)

2008-11-17 Thread Stuart Walsh
A very interesting thread. Just expressing a few doubts here! The Moravian Archives in Betlehem, PA. They have a c. 1750 book with chorales in tablature for that tuning and also a lute-cittern from the same time period. Andrew Rutherford posted a message about it on this group about a

[CITTERN] Re: Bellman, Storm, Moravia and the Hamburger cittrinchen (and the lute-cittern too)

2008-11-17 Thread Frank Nordberg
Stuart Walsh wrote: A very interesting thread. Just expressing a few doubts here! Indeed. Hope everybody agrees, cause this may go on for a while. ;-) It would be really interesting to see some scans of the chorales form the Moravian Archives. Me too. That would be really helpful.

[CITTERN] Re: Edvard Storm Ms.

2008-11-16 Thread Mjos Larson
Secondly, you guys are a tough audience! ! My apologies for that comment -- I must have been feeling vulnerable the day I wrote it. I have appreciated the feedback, ideas, debate, and suggestions made both on- and off-list. -- Rocky To get on or off this list see list information at

[CITTERN] Re: Edvard Storm Ms.

2008-11-16 Thread Frank Nordberg
Mjos Larson wrote: Secondly, you guys are a tough audience! My apologies for that comment -- I must have been feeling vulnerable the day I wrote it. No need to apologise to me. If anything I should apologise to you. I got Fichte's triad (thesis+antithesis=synthesis) so well drummed

[CITTERN] Re: Bellman, Storm, Moravia and the Hamburger cittrinchen (and the lute-cittern too)

2008-11-16 Thread Stuart Walsh
Frank Nordberg wrote: Starting yet another thread on this topic... ;-) I've had a closer look at Bellman's cittern and also re-read Michel's article on the Hamburger citrinchen and here is what I've found so far: 1. Tuning The Moravian GCEGBE tuning Andrew Rutherford asked about, is

[CITTERN] Re: Zitter - the German Guitar

2008-11-15 Thread Stuart Walsh
I've been hunting through 19^th-century Scottish newspapers, and found the following interesting snippet: LONDON TUESDAY, MAY 15, 1849 The Prussian Minister and Madame Bunsen entertained last Friday at dinner the Duchess of Sutherland, the Duke and Duchess of Argyle, the

[CITTERN] Re: Zitter - the German Guitar

2008-11-15 Thread Frank Nordberg
Stuart Walsh wrote: I wonder if the instrument was some kind of metal-strung waldzither or a gut-strung something like this: It's hard to say for sure but the latter seems marginally more likely. Frank Nordberg To get on or off this list see list information at

[CITTERN] Re: Edvard Storm Ms.

2008-11-15 Thread Mjos Larson
Frank, First of all, thank you for sharing the Ms pages and writing posting the background information on instruments and suggestiion that the Ms. could be viewed as part of the Danish or German tradition. Secondly, you guys are a tough audience! ! I started this post a few days ago so I

[CITTERN] Re: Edvard Storm Ms.

2008-11-15 Thread Mjos Larson
Thanks for posting the sound file, Stuart. Nicely played! I thought the first section has some similarities to Van Eyck's Wat zalmen op den avond doen. Ruth van Braak Griffioen list a number of cognates, including German versions (Was wölln wir auf den Abend thun). Lute versions in German

[CITTERN] posting to two lists

2008-11-14 Thread Wayne Cripps
About posting the same message to two lists ... well I try to make that difficult for several reasons. One is the feeling that it negates point of multiple lists. The other is technical. You see, the list robot can only direct a posting to one list. If you have two list addresses on the To:

[CITTERN] Zitter - the German Guitar

2008-11-14 Thread Rob Lute
I've been hunting through 19^th-century Scottish newspapers, and found the following interesting snippet: LONDON TUESDAY, MAY 15, 1849 The Prussian Minister and Madame Bunsen entertained last Friday at dinner the Duchess of Sutherland, the Duke and Duchess of Argyle, the

[CITTERN] Re: Edvard Storm Ms.

2008-11-13 Thread Frank Nordberg
Stuart Walsh wrote: Frank, it did appear on the vihuela list. Good. Apparently neither your original post nor my reply appeared on the cittern list though, so I suppose everybody here are a bit confused what it's all about right now. ;-) Quick summary: After I mentioned the Storm ms. here

[CITTERN] Re: Further from Ferries ...

2008-10-23 Thread Damien Delgrossi
Hello, I don't find any video featuring cittern music. Damien - Original Message - From: Eleanor Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cittern list cittern@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: [CITTERN] Further from Ferries ... Another three videos up of

[CITTERN] Re: Dibdin and 'English' guitar settings.

2008-10-11 Thread Stuart Walsh
Martyn Hodgson wrote: Could anyone kindly let me have copies of contemporary arrangements (ie c 1772) for 'English' guitar of music from 'The Brickdust Man' by Charles Dibdin (1745 - 1814). Preferably facsimile but anything welcome! Martyn Hodgson A quick glance at the BL's online

[CITTERN] Dibdin and 'English' guitar settings.

2008-10-11 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Could anyone kindly let me have copies of contemporary arrangements (ie c 1772) for 'English' guitar of music from 'The Brickdust Man' by Charles Dibdin (1745 - 1814). Preferably facsimile but anything welcome! Martyn Hodgson To get on or off this list see list information at

[CITTERN] Re: Dibdin and 'English' guitar settings.

2008-10-11 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Many thanks Stuart, I had already searched the BL catalogue but thank you. I do have the score and I can of course make my own arrangement for the 'English' guitar but wanted to see the contemporary arrangement which was published and, I believe, extant if not catalogued, to compare with

[CITTERN] Re: 18th German cittern tuning

2008-09-27 Thread Doc Rossi
I think the tuning is similar to one of Kremberg's, near the turn of the century. I have to check. No doubt Martina will have some info. doc On Sep 27, 2008, at 12:40 AM, Andrew Rutherford wrote: Hello citternophiles, There is a book of chorales in tablature from c.1750 in the

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