Re: [CTRL] ALERT!!! All units Republic of Texas Defense Forces placed on Orange Alert
It may also be in response to the execution of Graham in Huntsville, TX. Graham supporters were out in force carrying AK-47s (loaded). The leader of the group was adamant about rallying his followers to action. As yet, 1:00 AM Central Time, there has not been any serious actions. zeaal [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ALERT!!! All units Republic of Texas Defense Forces placed on Orange Alert
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3952ba030364.htm Gun-Toting Panthers Threaten Unrest As Graham Death Put on Hold News/Current Events News Source: NewsMax.com Published: 6/22/00 Author: Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff Posted on 06/22/2000 18:14:43 PDT by kattracks Surrounded by gun-toting members of the New Black Panther Party, Minister Quanell X warned demonstrators outside the Huntsville, Texas death house that there might be "civil unrest" if Gary Graham is executed Thursday night. Just moments before Minister X told demonstrators with children to leave the scene, Graham's execution was temporarily put on hold. The warning came as the Panther leader told Fox News Channel his entourage was armed and its weapons were loaded: "I asked the people to get out of the way because if civil unrest takes place we don't want children to be trampled, children to be hurt. So I asked for anyone with children present to take the children away from the confrontational lines." When asked if his Panther entourage was armed, Minister X said, "You know, I saw the Ku Klux Klan. They were riding in a bus behind us. And they were armed. You're damned right, we're armed." Asked if the group's guns were loaded, Quanell X said, "No wise general would come before the whole world and divulge all of his strategic plans to the world. But I would have to be a damned fool to allow men to come up here with empty guns." Last Friday Quanell X led 15 AK-47 toting Panthers clad in black paramilitary gear in a march on the Texas state GOP convention in the heart of downtown Houston. Tonight, the Panther leader said he didn't know how the protesters would react to Graham's execution, but added, "Whatever happens here, you can't blame anybody here. You have to blame (GOP presidential candidate) George Bush. You have to blame a wicked criminal justice system." It appeared that Minister X was unaware of the temporary halt in Graham's execution as he issued his warnings. Just minutes earlier word from Gov. Bush's office announced that Graham's lawyer had filed a civil suit against the Texas State Bureau of Pardons and Paroles, which could interrupt the execution for up to thirty days. After Minister X spoke to reporters, the gun-toting Panthers attempted to circle the Huntsville prison facility, in what many feared was an attempt to confront a group of pro-death penalty Ku Klux Klan demonstrators nearby. But the Panthers soon returned to their vehicles and any violent confrontation was averted for the moment. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST) and the X Division
The Clinton-Gore National Insecurity Team BY OLIVER NORTH Prince Albert is on his "progress and prosperity tour" asking Americans "are you better off than you were eight years ago?" If "better off" includes America's national security, the answer is, "You have to be kidding!" The day the VEEP began to "re-introduce himself to the American people," shell-shocked Clinton-Gore administration officials dodged questions about how they lost more of America's dwindling supply of nuclear secrets. After a month-long cover-up, it was finally admitted on June 12 that computer hard drives from the Los Alamos National Laboratory's "X Division" -- where nuclear weapons are designed -- have been missing from a vault at the lab since "some time in May." This is the latest embarrassment for Los Alamos, which is still reeling from a string of security lapses, including the arrest of Taiwanese-American scientist Wen Ho Lee on 59 counts of mishandling nuclear secrets. Energy Secretary Bill Richardson, a potential running mate for Internet Al, claims "there is no evidence of espionage" and "the missing computer files may be related to the evacuation of the facility during the recent forest fires." Get the word: "missing" -- as in, "My homework is 'missing.' Maybe the dog ate it." The "missing" multi-gigabyte computer drives contain detailed, highly secret, nuclear weapons data used by the super-sensitive Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST) -- an interagency contingent of military and civilian specialists who respond to nuclear accidents and nuclear-related terrorist threats. The data on the hard drives include all the information necessary to disarm all nuclear weapons worldwide. This is, of course, the same kind of data needed to arm or build a nuclear device. That's what's "missing." Security lapses are nothing new for this regime. In the wake of the administration's latest fiasco, Representative Porter Goss (R-FL), chairman of the House Select Intelligence Committee, told me that "when it comes to security, the Clinton-Gore administration manifests a culture of disdain." He's right, and it's an attitude that pervades not just our nuclear weapons labs but the whole administration. In 1994, over a year after taking office, more than 100 high-level White House staff members still had no security clearances because they never bothered to complete the paperwork for requisite background investigations. They were granted access to highly classified information anyway. By 1996, White House security was so lax that shortly before fleeing the country, Democrat party fund-raiser Charlie Trie smuggled a foreign businessman into the White House using false identification. When the General Accounting Office reported that from January 1993 until June 1996 there were no procedures to control access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (a level of classification higher than Top Secret) within the executive office of the president, White House officials promised to "fix the problem." They didn't. At the State Department, foreign spies are standing in line to rip off America's secrets. In 1998, an unidentified individual posing as a reporter walked out of Secretary of State Maddy Albright's office suite with a stack of classified documents. Last year, the FBI caught a Russian Intelligence Service spy wearing headphones outside the State Department headquarters and discovered a device planted in a secure conference room inside the building. This January, a laptop computer containing top secret information vanished from the department's Bureau of Intelligence Research. Secretary Albright said she was "outraged." Last year, FBI agent Michael Vatis told Congress that computer hackers broke into the Pentagon's classified computer systems and downloaded "vast quantities of data" containing "sensitive information about essential defense matters." The FBI suspected the Russian Intelligence Service. What did the Clinton-Gore administration do? They asked the Russians to help. Like O.J., the Russians are still looking for those who really did it. But even when the perpetrators of massive security violations are caught -- it hardly matters. According to the CIA's Inspector General, John Deutch, the Clinton-Gore CIA director from 1995-1996, routinely "placed national security information at risk" by processing a "large volume of highly classified information" on his unprotected home computer. After covering up the breach (and failing to notify the FBI as required by law) for more than 18 months, Deutch had his security clearances revoked and was given a letter of reprimand. The abysmal seven-year national security record of the Clinton-Gore Administration should come as no surprise -- nor should their predictable spin: First comes the plea not to "make a partisan issue" out of what is at best, gross incompetence, and at worst, dangerous malfeasance. Then comes the accusation that there's always been espionage (remember the "everyone does
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
-Original Message- From: tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] First of all, I am a moderator, but no one has to "answer to me" as long as they follow list rules. If you want to believe the tripe about the Talmud, and that the Protocals are "channeled", or whatever, be my guest, but don't expect me or other people on this list to sit idly by without challenging the ideas. OK tenebroust I do not believe anything about the Talmud I have never read it. I do have a book called The Essential Talmud by Adin Steinsaltz a Jew. He says the Babylonian Talmud is the central pillar of Judaism. I would normally scan a bit if it was necessary to a proper discussion but I can see it isn't, everyone knows it all already or do they? I'd be accused of promoting it as my personal belief so I won't. The Jews have been the scapegoats of history since the New Testament makes it seem it is THEIR fault that Christ was killed, when it is abundantly clear it was the ROMANS who had absolute authority over life and death in the region at that time. This is self explanatry as to the silliness of it. You should mean the Pharisees decided to get rid of Jesus and the Romans didn't stop them. Pontius Pilate washed his hands and the crowd said let Barabbas go - "Crucify Him". In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. Can we now blame them for Jesus' death then? Romans according to you tenebroust are white Europeans. ROMANS are the same race as ITALIAN CATHOLICS in the Vatican. I think tenebroust needs glasses he/she is also blaming an inanimate object - a building for killing people. In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. Maybe I should sit on the fence and just comment on the posts that come by and tell people what the real truth is so they won't be deceived by reading them and thinking they are true. After all now I have 5 predators attacking my character. Not worth posting anything is it. Satisfied? Nicky A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
Oh! I wouldn't take too much notice Nicks' of them "predators" here - had one of them troll things on my butt when i first posted here, had to fart the stalking troll into extinction!!! I think it's maybe a secret Masonic Initiation rite thing that everyone goes through here? If it really pisses you off - just don't respond, they like lotsa attention, and when they don't get it - they just haruumpf!! off!!! (XLggg) - Original Message - From: "Nicky Molloy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed -Original Message- From: tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] First of all, I am a moderator, but no one has to "answer to me" as long as they follow list rules. If you want to believe the tripe about the Talmud, and that the Protocals are "channeled", or whatever, be my guest, but don't expect me or other people on this list to sit idly by without challenging the ideas. OK tenebroust I do not believe anything about the Talmud I have never read it. I do have a book called The Essential Talmud by Adin Steinsaltz a Jew. He says the Babylonian Talmud is the central pillar of Judaism. I would normally scan a bit if it was necessary to a proper discussion but I can see it isn't, everyone knows it all already or do they? I'd be accused of promoting it as my personal belief so I won't. The Jews have been the scapegoats of history since the New Testament makes it seem it is THEIR fault that Christ was killed, when it is abundantly clear it was the ROMANS who had absolute authority over life and death in the region at that time. This is self explanatry as to the silliness of it. You should mean the Pharisees decided to get rid of Jesus and the Romans didn't stop them. Pontius Pilate washed his hands and the crowd said let Barabbas go - "Crucify Him". In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. Can we now blame them for Jesus' death then? Romans according to you tenebroust are white Europeans. ROMANS are the same race as ITALIAN CATHOLICS in the Vatican. I think tenebroust needs glasses he/she is also blaming an inanimate object - a building for killing people. In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. Maybe I should sit on the fence and just comment on the posts that come by and tell people what the real truth is so they won't be deceived by reading them and thinking they are true. After all now I have 5 predators attacking my character. Not worth posting anything is it. Satisfied? Nicky A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives
[CTRL] Modern pagans reclaim Stonehenge
June 22 2000 BRITAIN Modern pagans reclaim Stonehenge BY SIMON DE BRUXELLES http://www.the-times.co.uk/ Index THE tribes of ancient Britain who congregated at Stonehenge to celebrate the summer solstice yesterday could hardly have been less colourful than their ancient predecessors. There were the New Age travellers in dreadlocks and home-knitted woollens, the "brew crew" with cans of lager and mohican haircuts, a Brazilian samba dancer dressed in a chain-mail bikini and even a handful of yuppies with picnic hampers and BMW estates. Every strand of British culture was represented, from "crusties" to a handful of "crumblies" who found themselves standing in a field in the rain longing for a cup of Horlicks long after their usual bedtimes. And then there were the druids, wizards, warlocks and witches who like to think they are continuing a tradition that dates back to the 4,000-year-old origins of Stonehenge. It was their lobbying that persuaded English Heritage to reopen the site for the midsummer celebration for the first time in 15 years. But the druids could not even agree among themselves on the appropriate way to welcome the dawn on the longest day of the year. Some huddled in a private conclave beneath the stones. Others blew horns made from the dried stems of giant seaweeds. Members of the Insular Order of Druids formed a circle near the Heel Stone while their leader announced, "I'm no Pam Ayres" and read a poem he had composed. His reading was interrupted by a Liverpudlian called Bob who removed all his clothes apart from his woolly hat and proudly demonstrated the consequences of drinking far too much Ice Dragon Cider. "I'm going to get pneumonia or get arrested," he shouted, before staggering off towards the stone circle, leaving his discarded underpants to be trampled in the mud. Three women dressed in black capes sitting on a tartan rug stared angrily at the crowds surrounding the druids. "Why is everyone so interested in the druids?" one asked. "What about us witches?" Dylan Ap Thuin, Archdruid of the Insulars, hinted that not all was peace and harmony within pagan ranks. Two years ago, after 100 worshippers were permitted to see in the summer solstice, there were bitter complaints that the event had been "hijacked" by Rollo Maughling, self-styled Archdruid of Stonehenge, who appointed himself master of ceremonies. "This time we're not having any organised celebration," said Mr Ap Thuin. "It led to too much trouble last time." Trying to recreate Stonehenge's ancient rituals is like reconstructing the story of Christianity from the floor-plan of St Paul's Cathedral. Although the detail may have been lost, the atmosphere was still magical, according to those who stayed up all night to watch the Sun fail to appear through a blanket of cloud and drizzle. The giant stones were illuminated by the ghostly green glow of arc lights set up by English Heritage. From the shadows emanated hypnotic drumming and exotic aromas. Julia Newman, a lecturer from Southampton, said: "I just wanted the chance to walk among the stones which you are not normally allowed to do. It's so completely different at night. There's a very medieval feeling about it, with all the drums and musicians and fire jugglers." More than 6,000 people made the pilgrimage to Stonehenge. Some drove all night to arrive in time for dawn at 4.44am. Craig Cotton, a video producer from Worthing, West Sussex, packed his wife and three children into the car at 10pm. It was his daughter Yasmine's ninth birthday. He said: "We wanted to give her a birthday she wouldn't forget. It's just a shame it's raining." Asked what she thought, Yasmine replied: "Cold and wet. . . but fun." Lew Pope, 78, had driven up from Torquay with his wife Ginny, 58. "She was planning to come on her own but I thought I'd better come along to look after her," he said. John Candy, a healer from Exeter, arrived with the Arthurian War Band who wore cardboard crowns and blue face paint. He said: "I'm with them but not one of them. I refuse for personal reasons to go under the sword." The woad-covered warriors stood in a circle and sang "Reunite the Stones of Our Ancestors". The Barking Batteria, a group of drummers from East London, ensured the carnival atmosphere was not dampened by the rain. Blowing whistles and waving torches, they paraded around the stones dressed in little more than their counterparts in Rio. As daylight chased the revellers home, police said they arrested nobody - not even Bob the Liverpudlian. For English Heritage, the night was a vindication of its open-stones policy. Elspeth Henderson, a spokesman, said: "A happy and peaceful solstice was had by all." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
You are correct eagle. It is the Pharisees who are from the serpent race in Babylon. Jesus said to them -"You are Seed of Satan and He only said it to the Pharisees. Perhaps Jesus didn't approve of the Babylonian Talmud? Lord Rothschild comes direct from the Pharisees and also King David. He is said to be a shape changing reptoid. We know what side of his genetics that comes from and its not King David. Jews are not shapechanging reptoids only those who have serpent blood are. Nicky On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Eagle 1 wrote: People need to do their homework and find out just exactly WHO they are speaking of here... and quit believing lies and gossip. Jews of the tribe of Judah *ARE innocent* as charged. But tell me... how do you tell the tares from the wheat? While maturing, or coming of age, one cannot tell, and this is why the lessons were taught throughout the gospels to leave the tares alone. I have absolutely nothing against the true Jews of Judah... and am actually very sympathetic with their plight. But, it is written that there were those who came in and took their identity and claim to be Jews, but are not. THESE are those that we should be concerned about, and when the truth comes out in the end... I believe that you will find that even these false ones are the very ones who wrote the protocols... and started all the other ugliness regarding the Jews, so as they could develop a sympathy and blend in to absorb that sympathy they created. And yes, there is also blood on the Catholic Church's hands regarding some of this... but the blame cannot be placed completely there. They too, by utilizing certain religious tenents and by brainwashing have their congregation believing that their faith is the only one... it is also a door that revolves in continuum with the same song second verse. But they are also in error to make this claim. This is a subject (i.e. the Jews) that cannot be ignored or overlooked, because most people have been brainwashed either by religious tendencies or by cultural differences that go back generations. It is a subject that is not going to go away just because you want it to. eagle 1 http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds/cain.html - Original Message - From: "tenebroust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed There is a good reason that the only writers which comment on this issue are Christian, and not Islamic, or Buddhist, etc. It's because the whole subject is invented by, and propagated by CHRISTIANS. No other group gives a damn. I do not want to see anyone here attacking other list members BELIEFS. You are totally free, and have my blessing, to believe what you will. I, and everyone else here is free to challenge information brought here. The Talmud business, the Protocals, etc., are all part of a systematic concocted "history" that has been perpetrated by the Catholic Church, and other prominent European (and now American) groups to place the "Jew" in the context of evil, cheapskate, cheat, etc. This has led to and been used to kill and imprison them, as well as take their land and property. Sadly they aren't the only group to be so affected, just the one that most consistently is targetted, because they haven't yet been wiped out (despite many attempts to do so) like the others (Cathars, Anabaptists, etc.). On Wed, 21 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote: Josh, You've hurt my feelings now, to think I'm in your tribe too. So we take it that you endorse the Talmud then? I'd like to know why it isn't available in the public library, I think we all know why. Perhaps I could find some better writings on the Talmud, written by Jews. Would that appeal? I wouldn't want you to think I was only writing the Christian view. Perhaps the Kaballa? If I send something on that written by Christians would you say I particularly am deluded? Ahh if I send something on the Protocols written by a Christian will you also cut me down? I'm not particularly looking for Christian writers but bud you are outnumbered in USA. the chances of finding someone other than a Christian writer on this is slim. I have never seen a Moslem, Buddhist, Hindu ever take the trouble to write on these tabu subjects. Yet you particularly enjoy slandering Christians and Christianity and that's supposed to be Ok tarring everyone with the same brush. I posted it because it makes a change from always hearing bad things about Christianity and I thought it may be valuable to some. I'm not anti Jewish. Even some Jews don't know what's in the book. Just pick out what you want and leave the rest, if you don't then you are reduced to not sending stuff and commenting endlessly and tediously on those people's that do send..Its getting like a flock of seagulls
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
Nicky Molloy wrote: Maybe I should sit on the fence and just comment on the posts that come by and tell people what the real truth is so they won't be deceived by reading them and thinking they are true. After all now I have 5 predators attacking my character. Not worth posting anything is it. Satisfied? Now *that's* funny, Nicky. Or sad depending how you look at it. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cops, Drug Use, Symbolism
Cops, Drug Use, Symbolism David Borden, Executive Director, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The meager symbolism of our nation's drug laws is illustrated by the fact that police departments across the country have chosen, out of the most practical necessity, to tolerate past violations of drug laws by job applicants. Meager, because the laws and their enforcement have been the most dramatic of failures -- so much so, that even police departments must resort to hiring confessed former drug law violators. Symbolic, because only those who get caught suffer the hard hand of the US criminal justice system, often, these years, for horrifically lengthy, unjust sentences. Those who don't get caught -- such a vast majority that our police forces can't function without hiring some of them -- may go on to enforce the very same laws. Perhaps one strategy for the drug policy reform movement would be to advocate that police agencies apply the "zero tolerance" philosophy, of which drug warriors are so fond, to all their policies across the board, including hiring. That is, consider any previous use of any illegal drug to be an automatic disqualifier for the job of police officer, period. Then, since police departments have already admitted they can't find enough cops without hiring some admitted past drug users, police forces would be left shorthanded. Faced with the need to manage limited resources, politicians would then have to decide what kind of law enforcement is truly important, and would de-prioritize drug law enforcement in favor of focusing on crimes of violence. Actually, I don't recommend such a strategy; zero tolerance is too dangerous a movement and concept to support, even when wielded against the enforcers of these most destructive of laws. But isn't it ironic that the very laws requiring massive expansion of police forces, also force those agencies to hire confessed, former violators of those laws? Now that's symbolism. If you like what you see here and want to get these bulletins by e-mail, please fill out our quick signup form at http://www.drcnet.org/signup.html. bline2.gif
Re: [CTRL] NYP: Gossip-HILLARY-BASHER'S LISTENING TOUR
Now, how long do you think Rockefeller and company are going to put up with
that ?? RW
www.networkamerica.org Only Six Corporations Dominate Major Media Outlets
This e-wire revisits another piece of Terry Hayfield's excellent research on
how the international banking forces that were behind World Communism, and
are now behind the hoped-for New World Order phenomenon, hope to consolidate
perpetual financial domination over the people of the earth.
When you postulate that the very few mysterious computer programming
companies (which program the software that counts our national elections)
are in collusion with these Six Dominating Media Giants, then you have gone
along way to identifying who has both motive and the opportunity for the
fixing of all Presidential elections, and all other key elections, by silent
computer fraud.
Mr. Terry Hayfield, again, is the lead researcher, to my knowledge, on the
activities of The Permanent Revolution (a term used to describe the forces
behind Communism by Leon Trotzky, 1879 to 1940; Trotzky was one of the key
organizers of the Communist Revolution, and was meant by the International
Bankers who funded Lenin to be Lenin's successor - in fact, Stalin beat
Trotzky out in --read the whole story at the above referenced web site.
- Original Message -
From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 9:40 PM
Subject: [CTRL] NYP: Gossip-HILLARY-BASHER'S LISTENING TOUR
New York Post
June 22, 2000
Page Six
By RICHARD JOHNSON with Paula Froelich and Chris Wilson
HILLARY-BASHER'S LISTENING TOUR
MSNBC's conservative news analyst Laura Ingraham could turn out
to be Hillary Clinton's worst nightmare.
Ingraham - author of just-released "The Hillary Trap: Looking For
Power in All The Wrong Places" (Hyperion) - is taking her show on
the road, with a book tour hot on the heels of Hillary's
"Listening Tour."
"I'm doing my own listening tour, and hearing a lot of
anti-Hillary sentiment," said Ingraham after her stop in Buffalo
where "we just missed her."
While Hillary is out on the hustings in her race for the Senate,
Ingraham is pumping her tome, which portrays the first lady as a
martyr who feels entitled to a Senate seat because she is a
victim with correct ideology.
"Her view of government is not progressive, it's retro," Ingraham
said. "She's more aligned with the thinking of 1969. She's a
throwback. She doesn't encourage self-reliance.
"While most women are out there making tough choices, balancing
careers with work and family - what is she doing? Her own life is
very privileged."
For instance, Hillary is always protected by a team of well-armed
Secret Service men even as she espouses her dogmatic support for
tougher gun control laws. "She doesn't need a gun in the house,"
Ingraham said.
What bothers the caustic conservative most is what she termed
"Hillary's "superior sense of entitlement."
"She came into the Senate race entitled because she suffered. She
was put upon by the 'vast right-wing conspiracy,' Ken Starr, a
Newt Gingrich Congress, and a philandering husband. It's like,
'Elect me, I'm a victim!' Well, three cheers for feminism!"
laughed Ingraham.
"People have long memories - she made this trap herself. Imagine
if she was not married to Bill, just some other guy, and she had
no job and tried to run for Senate. People would laugh at her.
"She thinks of Congress as an extension of the East Wing [of the
White house.] She wants to have it all and real women know you
can't have it all."
For all her talking, Ingraham says she is listening too, and what
she's hearing is, "Buffalo is definitely not Hillary's village.
The overwhelming feeling is 'why us?'"
But Ingraham has a grudging admiration for one quality the first
lady displays. "She has an Energizer Bunny mentality - she just
keeps on coming."
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Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
From: "Nicky Molloy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is self explanatry as to the silliness of it. You should mean the Pharisees decided to get rid of Jesus and the Romans didn't stop them. Pontius Pilate washed his hands and the crowd said let Barabbas go - "Crucify Him". Crucifixion was solely the provence of the Roman State; the Pharisees did not have the legal right to crucify anyone. Crucifixion was only used for people convicted of high crimes and misdemeanors against the Roman State. Only a Roman official could decree crucifixion. The authorities of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem COULD condemn a 'heretic' to death, but the condemned was then stoned to death. To repeat: crucifixion was a manner of death reserved solely for the Roman political state, and only used for prisoners convicted of major crimes, including treason against the Roman state. A Jewish prophet claiming to be the Messiah would NOT have been crucified by the Roman state unless that man represented a major threat somehow to the Roman state. The Romans would never have crucified someone just because the Pharisees asked them to. If it was just a matter of the Pharisees wishing to kill Jesus, they could have easily condemned him in the Sanhedrin and then had him stoned to death. The fact that Jesus was crucified shows that the Romans considered him a significant threat to Rome. Can we now blame them for Jesus' death then? Romans according to you tenebroust are white Europeans. ROMANS are the same race as ITALIAN CATHOLICS in the Vatican. And yes, since it was the ROMANS who killed Jesus in a manner solely reserved by ROME for people convicted of high crimes against ROME, then yes, white Europeans are guilty for Jesus' death... But what does it matter? The whole "raison d'etre" for Jesus' manifestation in the flesh was so that He would ultimately be condemned to die a horrible death as a sacrifice to atone for our sins. So it doesn't matter WHO killed Him then, does it...since without being condemned to die as a sacrifice, His life would have been meaningless. In other words, God's plan did NOT call for Jesus living to a ripe old age and dying in His own bed of old age... Maybe I should sit on the fence and just comment on the posts that come by and tell people what the real truth is so they won't be deceived by reading them and thinking they are true. After all now I have 5 predators attacking my character. Not worth posting anything is it. Satisfied? You obviously had a mistaken notion of this list, if you thought it would be a forum where you could post your undocumented ramblings without discussion and debate. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #1
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Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
If you look at these predators Nicky, they all sing from same songbook, and some resent your intelligence and knowledge in areas where they are somewhat lacking shall we say. Strange today on TV you see the Pope and the Catholic Church attacked, but then they expec that from anti Christs - but oh dare not say a word about the ADL or Morris Dees or JDO the hate front group or you are attacked by those professing to be something they are not. Nicky it is obvious you have a very high IQ and I remember one thing, a friend to JFK told me that this William Buckley hated JFK for his intellectual level. Buckley mastered the King's English, but I still remember when he and Gore Videl got into it on TV and Buckley lost his cool, reverting to his own level of bad taste, and called Gore Videl a "queer son-of=a=bitch"nice show, and Videl had accomplished his goal - for we had Buckley's coming out party - he should have gotten the Ugly Toad of Year award on that one.but this guy and JFK knew Buckley hated JFK because JFK was the more handsome, the smartest, and he also was President. So Buckley in my opinion is a queer son of a bitch, and if you put all these people in one big Hilliary Clinton Salad Bowl, you still come up with melting pot with the scum also rising. Love to read your stuff Nicky and see the predators attack because from all indications, this might be what they are paid to do - for they lack the intelligence to do anything other than attempt to destroy theories and ideas of others which they so obviously lack. I keep a file on all of your stuff Nicky, for it is a library - strange, this one predator comes back with your stuff only the names are changed A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Excerpted from: A Comprehensive History of the West Virginia State Police, 1919-1979
Read full story @ http://www.wvstatepolice.com/history/wvsphist.html [ y2k Question is: Why do Americans tolerate the fake drug war? RW ] Prohibition, of course, levied a tremendous workload on the State Police, since federal enforcement was inadequately funded. In August 1919, the revenue agent in charge in Huntington wrote to the state tax commissioner soliciting State Police assistance in moonshining raiding. The governor consented, but sufficient numbers were not available until December. At that time, Arnold dispatched 14 troopers under a sergeant to participate in joint federal-state operations.(42) Destruction of moonshine stills increased from a total of 42 in 1919-1920 to 1,192 in 1928-1930. During those years, the quantity of moonshine, mash, wine and other illicit liquor confiscated rose from 10,865 to over 250,000 gallons. In statistical terms, State Police arrest data reflected similar steadily increasing workload: Fiscal Years Felonies Misdemeanors Other Total 1919-1920 -- -- -- 3,549 1920-1922 -- -- -- 4,805 1922-1924 1,429 8,607 -- 10,036 1924-1926 1,951 19,961 94 22,011 1926-1928 2,722 25,288 164 28,174 1928-1930 3,703 23,109 -- 26,812 cut In conjunction with the highway patrol mission, the State Police established a statewide, mobile first aid unit in the Fall of 1936. This was the first such unit operational in the United States.(11) Prohibition itself was exhaustively studied by the Wickersham Commission, which reported in January 1931 that Prohibition was clearly a farce. The commission deplored the inevitable lawlessness, ineffective law enforcement, disrespect for the law, corruption, and rise of organized crime. In hopes of saving the noble experiment, however, the report recommended continuance of Prohibition. But the American people had had enough, and repeal came with the Twentyfirst Amendment (December 1933). Eight states elected to remain dry and 15 (including West Virginia) made the sale of liquor a state monopoly. But high state and federal taxes prolonged the life of illicit distilleries and rumrunning operations, so that by 1935 authorities estimated that 60 percent of the liquor consumed in America was still bootleg. Repeal eventually cut into the profits of organized crime, but many criminals simply intensified their infiltration of legitimate businesses and racketeering increased.(13) Destroying the source came too late to significantly weaken the first lifeblood organized crime empires. Statistics on State Police arrests during 1928-1934 indicate the upward spiral of criminal acts, impact of Prohibition repeal, and pressure on manpower complements. Years Total Arrests Prohibition Arrests 1928-1930 26,812 7,685 1930-1932 28,400 11,266 1932-1934 19,955 4,828 Other Prohibition enforcement activities included destruction of 1,192 stills and nearly 270,000 gallons of illicit liquor and wine. ( Much more at the web site. RW ) 6/23/00 Document2 2
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
Thanks Aleisha, I think the problem arising with the stuff I send is that the predators think I believe in everything I send as gospel. Like, I may send something on Sai Baba so they think I am promoting Sai. Or Ron Hubbard or anyone else. I post stuff on everything because I think it is necessary to see what our fellow humans are doing to get an overall picture on trends in beliefs. I am apparently right brained according to a test which gave me 30 out of 35 for this. This is seen as being indiscriminate by those who hold a view which is repeated exactly post after post. Yet these same people have the audacity to generalise and say things like the Catholic Church is reponsible for this or that. Well to me that is the silliest thing I ever heard. Or Christians believe this. My brain can't process generalizations. I think it can apply to very small groups of people or families but not millions and millions over hundreds of years. This is as silly as me saying all Americans/whites/women/men/children believe something. What the problem is (possibly) : it could be that these people can't grasp significent differences between the character of one person from another and that they have not studied psychology. Everyone is completely different from everyone else. One could generalise from say statistics and say ..% of people do this according to this survey taken from this amount of people at this place and time but not "all Christians believe" I have even heard here "Most Christians believe Jews are chosen". J2 you can retract if you like now. Now its the Romans killed Jesus. Nobody killed Jesus. He was dead from absorbing all the evil of the human race as a ransom before they were going to spear His side. He then transmuted it because He was perfect and then reappeared in an immortal body. Jesus is God incarnate in human form. I'd like to see evidence that the Romans killed Him. Pontius Pilate found nothing wrong with Jesus. I have a book called The Lost Books of the Bible in which letters from Pontius Pilate are written to Herod etc and he got the shock of his life to see Jesus alive again. He ordered the Pharisees to show him where in their teachings it foretold of His coming in the prophecies. Because he could see that a miracle of the first magnitude had occured, with Jesus coming back to life. Jesus did nothing to the Romans, they were continually harassed by the Pharisees who said he was a threat against Rome. All because He said they were hypocrites. All in the Bible. Nicky -Original Message- From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, 24 June 2000 01:04 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed If you look at these predators Nicky, they all sing from same songbook, and some resent your intelligence and knowledge in areas where they are somewhat lacking shall we say. Strange today on TV you see the Pope and the Catholic Church attacked, but then they expec that from anti Christs - but oh dare not say a word about the ADL or Morris Dees or JDO the hate front group or you are attacked by those professing to be something they are not. Nicky it is obvious you have a very high IQ and I remember one thing, a friend to JFK told me that this William Buckley hated JFK for his intellectual level. Buckley mastered the King's English, but I still remember when he and Gore Videl got into it on TV and Buckley lost his cool, reverting to his own level of bad taste, and called Gore Videl a "queer son-of=a=bitch"nice show, and Videl had accomplished his goal - for we had Buckley's coming out party - he should have gotten the Ugly Toad of Year award on that one.but this guy and JFK knew Buckley hated JFK because JFK was the more handsome, the smartest, and he also was President. So Buckley in my opinion is a queer son of a bitch, and if you put all these people in one big Hilliary Clinton Salad Bowl, you still come up with melting pot with the scum also rising. Love to read your stuff Nicky and see the predators attack because from all indications, this might be what they are paid to do - for they lack the intelligence to do anything other than attempt to destroy theories and ideas of others which they so obviously lack. I keep a file on all of your stuff Nicky, for it is a library - strange, this one predator comes back with your stuff only the names are changed A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
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Clinton visited Saddam Hussein Clinton visited Saddam Hussein to discuss weapons inspections in Iraq. As he sat down, he saw three buttons on Saddam's armrest. When Saddam sat down, Clinton asked, "Why are those three buttons on your armrest?" "You'll see," Saddam replied. They started the talks, but after 10 minutes Saddam pushed the first button and, WHACK, a boxing glove hit Clinton in the face. Clinton grabbed his nose, and Saddam laughed himself silly. Clinton remained calm because he didn't want this to affect the talks. Ten minutes later, Saddam pushed the second button and another boxing glove hit Clinton in the stomach. While Clinton was gasping for air, Saddam fell out of his chair laughing. Clinton was annoyed by now, but remained outwardly calm. The talks continued, and five minutes later Saddam pushed the third button. The boxing glove hit Clinton in the groin. Fed up, Clinton said, "We'll continue these talks next week at the White House." A week later, Clinton received Saddam in the Oval Office. As Saddam sat down, he saw three buttons on Clinton's armrest. As the meeting began, Saddam saw Clinton press the first button. Saddam quickly ducked, but nothing happened. This didn't stop Clinton from laughing real loud. Eventually, the meeting resumed. Ten minutes later, Clinton pushed the second button. Saddam jumped up, but again nothing happened. Clinton laughed hysterically. Saddam didn't get it. But since he hadn't been harmed, he sat down to continue the meeting. After a few minutes, Clinton pressed the last button. This time, Saddam stayed seated. Clinton , however, was rolling on the carpet laughing. Saddam was greatly annoyed and shouted, "I've had enough of this, and I'm going back to Baghdad!" Through tears of laughter, Clinton replied, "Baghdad? What Baghdad?" A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #142
The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #142 - June 23, 2000 A Publication of the Drug Reform Coordination Network PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE (To sign off this list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line signoff drc-natl in the body of the message, or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. To subscribe to this list, visit http://www.drcnet.org/signup.html. To make a donation, visit http://www.drcnet.org/drcreg.html. This issue can be also be read on our web site at http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html. Past issues can be accessed through http://www.drcnet.org/wol/archives.html.) TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. Senate Passes Colombia Military Assistance, Marginal Differences With House Version Head to Conference Committee, What Next? http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#warincolombia 2. Cops and Drugs: Police Departments Tolerating Past Drug Use by Job Applicants http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#copsanddrugs 3. Canadian Marijuana Party Forms: "Look Out Ottawa, Here We Come!" http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#canadaparty 4. Australia: In Victoria, Drug Reform Comes Painfully Slow, Injection Room Bill Faces Tough Battle http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#victoria 5. Delaware Mandatory Minimum Sunset Bill http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#delawaresunset 6. Lies, Damn Lies and the Drug Abuse Warning Network Statistics http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#damnstatistics 7. U.S. Surgeon General's Latest Research Review Supports Needle Exchange Programs http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#satcher 8. ALERTS: Free Speech, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Washington State http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#alerts 9. HEA Campaign http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#heacampaign 10. Event Calendar http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#eventcalendar 11. EDITORIAL: Cops, Drug Use, Symbolism http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#editorial 1. Senate Passes Colombia Military Assistance, Marginal Differences With House Version Head to Conference Committee, What Next? http://www.drcnet.org/wol/142.html#warincolombia The US Senate voted Wednesday for a massive escalation in US military intervention in Colombia. Senators voted overwhelmingly for the package after turning back two amendments supported by Latin American, human rights and drug policy reform groups, including DRCNet. The Wellstone amendment, which would have diverted $225 million from the Colombian military to domestic treatment programs, lost 89-11. The Gorton amendment, which would have cut the assistance down to $200 million, was defeated 79-19. While some differences with the House version of the bill remain, massive US involvement in Colombia is now virtually a done deal. The vote results sparked harsh criticism from some senators, as well as from human rights and drug policy organizations. Senator Slade Gorton (R-WA) told his colleagues, "The capacity of this body for self-delusion seems to this senator to be unlimited. Mark my words, we are on the verge... of involvement in a civil war in Latin America, without the slightest promise that our intervention will be a success... This is a down payment, and a down payment only. Next year we are likely to hear we need more money and more men." Winifred Tate of the Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA) told DRCNet, "We are deeply disappointed in the superficial debate, the failure to seriously reevaluate failed counternarcotics policies and the failure to develop new strategies for combating drug abuse at home and realistically dealing with Colombia's problems." Sanho Tree, Drug Policy Director at the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) told DRCNet, "In Colombia, the roots of conflict are social, political and economic. Guns and helicopters won't remedy the problems of poverty in the Andes or addiction in America." "The region needs a mini-Marshall Plan, and we're sending them Desert Storm," added Tree. And the storm should arrive soon. WOLA's Tate said training and hardware shipment will get underway quickly once the bill gets out of conference committee and is signed by President Clinton. The bill should go to conference committee next week, she said. Both Tree and Tate still see opportunities for making marginal improvements in a bad bill in conference committee. According to Tate, the Senate version contains stronger language conditioning aid on human rights accountability and contains less money for the Colombian military than the House version. The House version contains some funding to assist the 1.5 million Colombians already internally displaced by the decades-long civil war, noted Tree. But, he added, "The bill contains money for future displacements. We are now planning to displace additional people, as if 1.5 million people isn't enough." While the immediate battle has been lost, advocates of an enlightened policy toward
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I post stuff on everything because I think it is necessary to see what our fellow humans are doing to get an overall picture on trends in beliefs. This is a valuable adition to this list. You are indeed serving a useful purpose here, simply by doing that. Yes, we definately should track what others believe. The problem arises when you are less than specific about what you are doing. Of course you are misunderstood. Try posting disclaimers to stuff you are just repeating but either don't personally believe or can't prove. Another word of advice. In a world where no matter what religion you practice, it's in the minority, saying stuff like: All in the Bible Is not going to convince anybody except the pathologically gullible. The Bible is every bit as flawed, fallible, and just plain wrong as is the Koran, the Bhagavid Gita, the Pali Sutras or Das Kapital. Not only that, but every one of those books was written by dead men. When are you people going to get over letting dead men think for you? Grow up and think for yourselves. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
In a message dated 6/23/00 6:43:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pontius Pilate found nothing wrong with Jesus. I have a book called The Lost Books of the Bible in which letters from Pontius Pilate are written to Herod etc and That book is a known fake. Do not believe everything you read. Faith are personal observations and what you may see and described may be "true" to you, but just because other may describe the unfathomable differently does not validate your perceptions any more than it invalidates others. "By the fruit ye shall know." Om K Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
In a message dated 6/23/00 6:43:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All in the Bible. Nicky The "Bible" of today is more a political book than religious "truth." MHO Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 6/23/00
from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Cookiegate Privacy Groups Attack White House Cookies Gore: "I invented cookies." WASHINGTON -- Privacy groups went on the offensive Thursday, calling on Congress to investigate the Clinton administration's use of cookies as part of its anti-illegal drug campaign. The request comes a day after the White House admitted it may have violated federal privacy guidelines by tracking users who searched for drug-related information online. "Monitoring citizens' use of government websites raises profound privacy and constitutional concerns," said Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, which sent the brief letter along with Junkbuster president Jason Catlett. They argue the practice violates White House privacy policy and may be illegal under the Privacy Act of 1974. The White House ordered the Office of National Drug Control Policy to stop on Wednesday. Billy Tauzin, chairman of a key House Commerce subcommittee, sent the White House a letter asking some pointed questions on Tuesday. "I am deeply troubled by the breadth, scope, and advanced state of this undertaking. A project with links and tracking to proprietary websites and businesses has vast privacy implications with which Congress should be consulted. Also of concern is the methods and standards the ONDCP is using to secure personally identifiable information," Tauzin wrote. Caught in the middle of this flap is New York-based Internet advertising giant DoubleClick, which brought tracking technology into the mainstream as a method of measuring the effectiveness of Internet ads, and is serving the banner advertisements for this campaign. DoubleClick told The Wall Street Journal yesterday that "no personally identifiable data about visitors were given to the government," but the privacy groups say they are skeptical. They have asked DoubleClick to provide a guarantee to the public that it has destroyed all the information it held that could in future link any individual with visits to the drug-related sites. Skeptics of the Net-drug campaign have pointed out that the ONDP ads appear even on AltaVista searches for topics like "a chicken in every pot." Wired News, June 22, 2000 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
But i think Nicky is just very "eclectic" in her reading tastes!!! And I'm sure she appreciates everyone here assisting her with the 'discernment' aspect of her eclectism! - Original Message - From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed In a message dated 6/23/00 6:43:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pontius Pilate found nothing wrong with Jesus. I have a book called The Lost Books of the Bible in which letters from Pontius Pilate are written to Herod etc and That book is a known fake. Do not believe everything you read. Faith are personal observations and what you may see and described may be "true" to you, but just because other may describe the unfathomable differently does not validate your perceptions any more than it invalidates others. "By the fruit ye shall know." Om K Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Ibogaine Dossier. Opinions and more
from: http://www.ibogaine.org/opinion.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.ibogaine.org/opinion.html"The Ibogaine Dossier. Opinions and more/A - OPINION * Could the root of an obscure African plant contain the secret to combattin g addiction? An Independent on Sunday article (March 1999). * Is ibogaine the greatest pharmaceutical discovery of the late 20th century, or will it turn out to be just another story of a maverick visionary. A syndicated article by Simon Witter. * Fight to develop drug addiction therapy. A reprint from Nature Medicine. * Heantos. A Vietnamese medicine man gets addicted to drugs in an attempt to find an all-natural cure for addicts. The United Nations Development Program has said it will spend $400,000 to test the substance. * Reflections on an ibogaine experience. "I heard about ibogaine from a friend in New York and then requested treatment for me and my boyfriend. We were the first people to be treated in Holland. My ibogaine treatment took place on October 25, 1989, in a hotel room in Amsterdam. My boyfriend had been succesfully treated the day before." * For centuries a strongly hallucinating potion made from leaves and lianes has been used in the South American jungle. This potion is called yage or ayah uasca and it is mainly used in religious settings. Some information about ayahuasca and a personal report by Hannah Bouma. * Eric Fromberg, Trimbos-instituut, Netherlands Institute of Mental Health and Addiction Mijn eerste confrontatie met het bestaan van ibogaine was de vermelding ervan in het onvolprezen boek van Emboden: "Narcotic plants" en dat leerde me niet veel meer dan dat Tabernanthe iboga, een struik uit west Afrika, een hallucinogeen bevat met de naam ibogaine, totdat ik bijna 20 jaar later een briefje van Simon Vinkenoog ontving, vergezeld van enige papieren die handelden over het gebruik van ibogaine bij het afkicken. * John Morgan, Professor in Pharmacology, City University of New York Medical School. Initial disbelieve has changed after reviewing research results. "I can now balance my skepticism with some appropriate optimism and look forward to the NIDA studies." * Rick Doblin, MAPS. Now that NIDA has decided to enter the field of ibogaine research, it is sparing no expense in gathering the required data. Its leisurely timetable, however, leaves something to be desired. * NIDA and Ibogaine, by Bob Sisko. Excerpts of Bob Sisko's remarks on May 12, 1993 to the 54th meeting of the National Advisory Council On Drug Abuse at the National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland * Bob Sisko about the First International Ibogaine Treatment Symposium. * Howard Lotsof, NDA Inc. describes the Endabuse Procedure in the development of ibogaine to treat addiction. * The history of ibogaine and its patent holder. A reprint from City Sun * INTASH discusses the necessity of Addict Self-Help involvement in Ibogaine treatment. They represent the New York based International Coalition of Addict Self-Help (Intash) * Barbara E. Judd CSW discusses the need of psychotherapy in the Ibogaine treatment of substance-related disorders * In Memoriam Nico Adriaans, by Jean Paul Grund. In the night of January 22, 1995, my friend and brother-in-arms Nico Adriaans passed away. Nico Adriaans was the founder and chairman of the "Rotterdamse Junkiebond" (Junkie Union), the first advocacy/activist User Group in the Netherlands. * John A. Speyrer asks: Ibogaine: Does This Psychedelic Drug Portend the End of Primal Therapy? * The Ibogaine Factor. Washington bureaucrats and Harlem activists debate the controversial "Cure for Addiction" * Deborah Mash about ibogaine and clinical testing in a slightly outdated article from Omni magazine, February 1994. Top of page | Main | Search | Science | Opinion | Literature | Links | Treatme nt | Bookshop | Feedback - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
The Bible today contains more truth then anything else ever written. MHO Amen J In a message dated 6/23/00 6:43:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All in the Bible. Nicky The "Bible" of today is more a political book than religious "truth." MHO Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: After all now I have 5 predators attacking my character. That's a strong metaphor. I take it you have never been literally attacked by a literal predator. I have. Trust me, it's nothing at all like a metaphor. You need bandages later, and your clothes need laundered and/or replaced. I think what you're really trying to say here is that you have seen pixels arranged on a screen in a manner that displeases you. Get used to it. It comes with the address. Another possibility is that you are not being attacked. Perhaps what you are really getting is sound advice, not about your character, but about your cognitive processes. That's what I'm doing. I'm not attacking you, or your character. I'm criticizing certain flaws in your reasoning, and I'm doing it for your own good. I'm also criticizing certain aspects of your interpersonal relationships here. It's constructive criticism. I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm trying to help you make better use of your time and your brain, just because you are a fellow human being and helping each other is what best behooves us all. I can't speak for anybody else, only for myself. Maybe they're trying to hurt you. I dunno. This I do know. I couldn't hurt you even if I wanted to. I don't know where you live, I don't know what you look like, and I'm probably thousands of miles away. If pixels on a screen can hurt your feelings, then I humbly and constructively suggest that you rethink their role in your life. If that means altering some aspect of your "character," then by all means do it. Personally, I think that the really smart way to live is to continue to grow. When somebody correctly points out to how I was doing something really dumb and it was getting me hurt, I (1.) stop doing it and (2.) thank them. That's how I do it. Dumb people do it differently. It takes all kinds. But you're better off if you do it the way smart people do it than you are if you do it the way that dumb people do it. IMHO. But it's your life. It's your choice. Do it any way you want. You have the right to do it the dumb way if that's what you really want. You'll certainly have plenty of company. But if you get your feelings hurt because you didn't take my advice, don't come crying to me later 'cuz all you're gonna get is "I told you so." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Bush Files
from: http://www.bushfiles.com/bush_toc.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.bushfiles.com/bush_toc.html"The Bush Files/A - Bush and the Texas Environment by Molly Ivins and Louis Dubose April 14, 2000 The Bush Beat (2000) Our regularly updated column on Dubya. * Bush Beat, 1999 The Mauro Effect by Nate Blakeslee The rise of the Bush Dynasty and the fall of the Texas Yellow Dogs. March 17, 2000 The Reformer with Results vs. Chairman McCain by Louis Dubose Bush, McCain, and the finance of reform. March 3, 2000 Handicapping the Presidential Horse Race by Andrew Wheat Charles Lewis of the Center for Public Integrity counts the dollars pouring into the campaign. Here's a bilious breakdown. March 3, 2000 Bursting W's Bubble by Robert Bryce The Bush train was heading into the presidential station, ready for the coronation. Then came the "bump in the road." February 18, 2000 The Money Primary by Louis Dubose February 4, 2000 New Hampshire Remote by Terry J. Allen The Observer sent a reluctant Vermont native into the wilds of NH at primary time. Here's her fearless dispatch. February 4, 2000 George of the Gentiles by Jeff Mandell The candidates court the Jewish vote. January 21, 2000 The Gospels of the Rich and Poor by Louis Dubose November 12, 1999 Bush in Manhattan by Louis Dubose W. Bites the Big Apple October 29, 1999 The Runner Stumbles Editorial by Michael King Coke jokes, funeralgate, and intensified scrutiny shadow the campaign. September 3, 1999 California on $1,000 a Day by Robert Bryce Dazzled by the dollars funneling into the Bush Juggernaut? The money rolling out tells a tale as well. August 20, 1999 The Austin to D.C. Derby by Nate Blakeslee The Texas Republican politicos are beginning to catch D.C. fever. June 25, 1999 A Shrub Grows in Midland by Karen Olsson W's 1978 West Texas campaign for Congress. June 25, 1999 Shrub's Pioneers by Jim Hightower Who's forging the way for a presidential run? May 28, 1999 The Legislative Food Chain by Louis Dubose The execution debate, and others, are an extension of the Governor's campaign for President. April 30, 1999 Bush in Contempt on Formaldegate? by Robert Bryce Bill Clinton asked what the definition of is is. Now, George W. Bush is questioning the definition of conversation. September 3, 1999 Burying the Opposition by Robert Bryce S.C.I.'s Robert Waltrip brought convenience-store shopping to the funeral business - so the law better not inconvenience him. May 28, 1999 Death Race 2000 Editorial by Michael King February 18, 2000 A Letter from Hell A Letter from Death Row inmate James Beathard, executed December 1999. January 21, 2000 Killing Larry Robison Editorial by Michael King Bush and the Texas execution machine. August 6, 1999 Cruel and Unusual Still by William Wayne Justice Excerpts from U.S. District Judge Justices' judgment of the Texas prison system. April 2, 1999 Murder by Death: The Sequels by Robert Bryce Texas can't kill its murderers fast enough, and death row is still bursting at its seams. March 19, 1999 No Mercy by Michael King George W. Bush thinks the Texas clemency process is fair. Do you? February 5, 1999 What Fertilized the Bushes? by Robert Sherrill The Bush dynastys family values, from Neils SL fiasco to W's baseball welfare bonanza. June 25, 1999 Planet Bush by Paul Jennings Bush Lit 201 Louis Dubose reviews the Bush Charges. December 24, 1999 Bush Lit 101 Michael King reviews First Son. October 29, 1999 Dubya and the Press by Louis Dubose, Julie Hollar, and Nate Blakeslee In the Texas media, the Governor walks on water. But elsewhere, he's beginning to get caught in the backwash. September 17, 1999 On the Record Editorial by Louis Dubose Twelve questions the media should be asking George W. Bush, instead of throwing softballs. June 25, 1999 Manufacturing a President by Michael King Reporters' luv letters to the Guv. June 25, 1999 Myron Magnet's Vision by Michael King Review of Fortune reporter Myron Magnet's The Dream and the Nightmare. June 25, 1999 Questions for George W. by Ronnie Dugger What questions might Bush be asked, either seriously or to liven up the day's news? May 14, 1999 Poor George Bush, Poor Texas by Molly Ivins Molly finds herself in sympathy with the Shrub and his media problems. April 30, 1999 The Coronation of King Bush by Robert Bryce Bush's big announcement was more like a coronation than a campaign event. April 2, 1999 Nicotine Fit by Robert Bryce Trial lawyers thought they were due pay and congratulations for a tobacco settlement well done. The new A.G. and the Guv. don't see it that way. November 26, 1999 Notify the Democrats by Michael King The Governor wanted an anti-abortion bill for his campaign. So, the Democrats gave it to him. June 11, 1999 How a Bill Becomes a Law by Nate Blakeslee Remember those instructive civics charts in high school? That's not exactly how the smog grows at the Lege. June 11, 1999 The Education Governor Editorial by Louis Dubose Bush backs a plan
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The Bible today contains more truth then anything else ever written. How do you know? Have you read everything else and confirmed or refuted everything in it by scientific inquiry? Does it contain more truth than my encyclopedia which is 21 volumes longer? Does it contain more truth than my dictionary which it three times thicker? And what about the part of the Bible that contradict each other? When two things contradict each other, by definition they can't both be true. Therefore, by definition, the Bible contains untruths. Ergo, the rest of it bears strong critical scrutiny. But critical scrutiny is something of which no religious text and no religion can stand very much. Maybe that why believers so studiously avoid it. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
In a message dated 6/23/00 7:37:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible today contains more truth then anything else ever written. MHO Amen J It also contains much falsehoods, political manipulations and downright lies. MHO Om K - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FREE BIBLE SOFTWARE!!!
Seeing as the "good book" is a topic of discourse - here's some excellent Bible software, with stacks of add-ons, commentaries, dictionaries, Greek and Hebrew and so on and so forth - for lovers of the book, or interested inquirers of course! http://www.online-bible.com/english-site/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Burton Wants Next Atty. General to Probe Clinton, Gore, Reno
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Burton Wants Next Atty. General to Probe Clinton, Gore, Reno Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 6:10 AM From: Howard Rothenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Burton Wants Next Atty. General to Probe Clinton, AL Gore, Reno - SNETNEWS Mailing List Burton Wants Next Atty. General to Probe Clinton, Gore, Reno To view the entire article, go to http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39342-2000Jun11.html The chief Republican congressional investigator of 1996 political fundraising said he is likely to refer President Clinton, Vice President Gore and Attorney General Janet Reno for prosecution after a new president takes office next year. Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) said yesterday it appears Reno obstructed justice by refusing several times to request special prosecutors to investigate Clinton and Gore for money-raising irregularities during their campaign four years ago. Clinton and Gore knew they were breaking the law, Burton said, but "I can't give you the specifics of it right now." "But I can tell you, I am confident and certain that they knew, especially the president, that illegal campaign contributions were coming in from foreign sources," Burton said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "And all that needs to be looked at thoroughly by the Justice Department." But not Reno's Justice Department, he said: "I think Janet Reno has blocked for the president, as have her top officials over at the Justice Department. I think they've made a mockery of justice." Clinton's chief of staff, John D. Podesta, said Burton's comments were not surprising. "He's been at this for a long time," Podesta said on CNN's "Late Edition." "These partisan investigations that go on and on and on." Podesta contended that Burton's main intent is to inflict political damage on Gore in his run for the presidency. Burton hopes for a Republican administration, with Texas Gov. George W. Bush as president. "After this election, assuming we get a new attorney general, I think I will be sending criminal referrals," Burton said. "And the reason I'm waiting is that I don't think this Justice Department is going to do anything." Burton added later, "I believe that Janet Reno . . . and her chief lieutenants knew that the independent counsel statute mandated that they appoint an independent counsel, and they didn't do it. . . . If she did not appoint an independent counsel because she thought her job was in jeopardy, even though the law required it, she broke the law and obstructed justice." Appearing after Burton was Lee Radek, a career prosecutor who heads the Justice Department's public integrity section and is a top adviser to Reno on independent counsel matters. He said Justice investigators who looked into the campaign fundraising charges did not find evidence of wrongdoing that met the legal requirements for appointment of special investigators. FBI Director Louis J. Freeh and the chief of Justice's campaign fundraising task force disagreed and recommended independent counsels. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to
[CTRL] Pentagon: China is preparing for high-tech war with US.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/default-2000623222038.htm By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES ...OLE_Obj... China is building up military forces in preparation for a possible conflict with the United States over Taiwan involving high-technology warfare, according to a Pentagon report obtained by The Washington Times. The unclassified version of the annual report to Congress states that "a cross-strait conflict between China and Taiwan involving the United States has emerged as the dominant scenario guiding [People's Liberation Army] force planning, military training and war preparation." The report states that Chinese military leaders are considering a major escalation of its military building as a result of NATO's air war against Yugoslavia. And as a result of the U.S. bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, the report says, China is discussing ways to "offset U.S. power, to include accelerating military modernization, pursuing strategic cooperation with Russia, and increasing China's proliferation activities abroad." "China's resolve to employ military force . . . should not be discounted," the report says. As for U.S. involvement in defending Taiwan, the report said, China "would employ all means necessary in the hope of inflicting high casualties and weakening the intervening party's resolve." The report is expected to play a major role in the Pentagon's upcoming Quadrennial Defense Review to begin next year. The review in the past has pitted defense planners who have sought to play down the threat from China against other officials who contend the United States must prepare now to deal with China's growing military power. The report states that China is seeking to become "the dominant power in Asia." The report outlines China's development of new weapons and high technology including information warfare, laser and anti-satellite weapons, and new missiles, ships and aircraft. Opposite Taiwan, Chinese missile forces pose a growing danger to the region, the report says. The Chinese military is acquiring an array of weapons that could be used in a "pre-emptive strike" against Taiwan, including long-range cruise missiles, air-launched bombs and short-range ballistic missiles, the report says. The report states that Beijing's missile force will "grow substantially" with new missile facilities being built opposite Taiwan. The new bases mean China could attack the island "with little or no warning." "Should China decide to attack Taiwan, Beijing's goal would be to erode Taipei's will to fight with sufficient alacrity to avoid escalation of the conflict and potential third party intervention in the hope of forcing a political resolution in Beijing's favor," the report says. The Chinese military currently has a limited capability to conduct operations involving naval, air and missile strikes, which could benefit Taiwan's ability to survive an initial attack, the report says. "A PLA amphibious invasion of Taiwan probably would be preceded by a naval blockade, air assaults and missile attacks on Taiwan," the report says. "Airborne, airmobile and special operations forces likely would conduct simultaneous attacks to the rear of Taiwan's coastal defenses to seize a port, preferably in close proximity to an airfield." The report projects that China's military advantage over Taiwan could continue to grow in the 2010-to-2020 time period. The report makes little mention of the heightened tensions between China and Taiwan after a dispute over Taiwan President Lee Teng-hui's July 1999 statements about relations with China. "During the summer," the report says, "PLA ground, naval air and strategic rocket forces reportedly conducted exercises that . . . probably were tailored to intimidate Taiwan.". The report states that for the first time China used its new Russian-made Su-27 fighter bombers as a "show of force" in the Taiwan Strait. U.S. officials who have seen the classified version of the report say the public version appears to have been modified to play down the more ominous elements of Chinese military activities, such as Beijing's recent threats against the United States and Taiwan. Chinese military writings recently warned that China is prepared to use nuclear weapons against the United States if it intervenes in a conflict between China and Taiwan. China's government issued a report last year that gave a new condition for the use of force against the island. Beijing will use military force to reunite the island if it fails to negotiate reunification, the Chinese "white paper" states. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
Why didn't you pose this question to Kris? He gave his opinion on what he thought the Bible was, yet when I give mine in favor for the Bible you confront me... I knew it would happen. Thanks for proving me right. And about your question, "how do you know?" My Answer, I believe. Which I have a right to. PS, The Bible can stand scrutiny, It's been around for thousands of years. The Conspiracy in all this is the one that tries to prove the Bible "wrong"/incorrect. MHO Amen J [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The Bible today contains more truth then anything else ever written. How do you know? Have you read everything else and confirmed or refuted everything in it by scientific inquiry? Does it contain more truth than my encyclopedia which is 21 volumes longer? Does it contain more truth than my dictionary which it three times thicker? And what about the part of the Bible that contradict each other? When two things contradict each other, by definition they can't both be true. Therefore, by definition, the Bible contains untruths. Ergo, the rest of it bears strong critical scrutiny. But critical scrutiny is something of which no religious text and no religion can stand very much. Maybe that why believers so studiously avoid it. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
It also contains much falsehoods, political manipulations and downright lies. MHO Om K I'm glad you were smart enough to add that that was simply your "humble" opinion. People also had humble opinions that the Earth was at one point flat you know. J A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: And about your question, "how do you know?" My Answer, I believe. Which I have a right to. Indeed you do have a right to believe. That doesn't make it the smart thing to do. Believing and knowing are two totally different things. Believe is what you do when you DON'T know. The smart thing to do when you don't know is to find out for yourself. The Bible can stand scrutiny, It's been around for thousands of years. So has the belief that the earth is flat. The Conspiracy in all this is the one that tries to prove the Bible "wrong"/incorrect. The Conspiracy is the one that convinces people to believe rather than to question. It enables the Conspirators to herd us like sheep. If "the Lord is my Shepard," what's that make me? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Israel's Patronizing Ways (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:55:26 + From: MER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Israel's Patronizing Ways ___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\ISRAELI ISOLATION AND SELF-IMAGE http://www.MiddleEast.Org News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know! - - - - - - - - - - YOU ARE WHAT YOU KNOW AND WHAT YOU DO WITH WHAT YOU KNOW To receive MER regularly email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The 'Israeli on the street,' after all, knows close to nothing about the Arab world - so little, in fact, that we can all easily recite in our sleep those three or four cliches that sum up all-that-we- didn't-want-to-know." "It is both pathetic and heartwarming to see the confidence and immediacy with which we perceive ourselves as distinctly "Western," rather than as part of the Third World - a self-image rooted entirely in relativity, a triumph of hope over experience." NEIGHBORS AND OTHER STRANGERS By Doron Rosenblum Ha'aretz, 16 June 2000: Whenever our television screens show a grave-faced speaker beginning his remarks with "we must remember that ..." it's fairly certain that something has happened in one of the Arab countries. "We must remember that ..." is a kind of verbal adapter, used to link the "input" conveyed to the Israeli public to the somewhat chaotic "output" provided by the Arab world. The right to use "we must remember that" or "we must understand that" at the beginning of every insight into Arab affairs is reserved for a select group of people: a handful of academics, military correspondents, and the media's in-house Arab affairs experts. Our perception of the Arab world is thus revealed in all its voluntary alienation: how close those places are to us, and yet, how very far away. "We must remember that Assad was not a young man for the Arab world"; "We must remember that in Arab countries, even tears are never shed by chance"; "We must remember that the Arab world places a high significance on mourning customs" ... This seemingly illuminating, even humble explanation, intended to make "the subject" more accessible to us, nevertheless involves some degree of distancing and estrangement. After all, that "Arab world" is right here under our noses, if not actually among us, and yet we only enter it with the help of authorized guides - passing through the "Fatma Gate" of expert commentary, crossing the "Allenby Bridge" of simultaneous translation and ironic smiles. It is all done on such a meager stream of insights, such a narrow bridge between ourselves and that place where everything is different. We like it that way. How soothingly distant it all comes to seem. Yes, tell us more about those other nations and peoples living right alongside us, but talk of them as you would talk of Patagonia. 'In inverted commas ...' So exotic and happily distant is the Arab world to us, that the mere human shield provided by the commentators is not enough. We need yet another insulating layer, achieved through the commentators' semi-didactic, semi-comic dialogue with the television anchors. The latter play (play?) the role of the perfect ignoramus, the so-called "Israeli on the street." "Why don't you tell us in a few words what Syria is," the anchorman thunders, "and let's perhaps begin with this question: How many people live there, anyway?" (The answer to that ranged freely from 13 to 30 million in this week's media coverage). "I wanted to ask you, and please answer briefly: Who was this man Assad?" And, "In one sentence, before we move on to the weather: What do most ordinary people in the Arab countries want? Food? Work?" At times, the anchorman deviates from the role of the ignoramus drinking up droplets of knowledge, and instead sprinkles the expert with a dash of sarcasm: "Do they even understand the concept of a change in government?" he might skeptically ask. This week, for example, Channel One's Yaakov Achimeir interrupted an Arab affairs expert, who was describing the spontaneous demonstrations in Damascus, in order to say: "But that's 'spontaneous' in inverted commas, right?" Patronizing? Not necessarily. It's more of a habit, a kind of "learned truth" any of us might have inadvertently blurted out, like a cough. The "Israeli on the street," after all, knows close to nothing about the Arab world - so little, in fact, that we can all easily recite in our sleep those three or four cliches that sum up
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
Nicky Molloy wrote: You deserve an Oscar for that eagle. This exactly what I am saying. People are blaming the Jews for stuff they are not doing or haven't done. Noone is standing up for them because they are ignorant as to what is the real truth. A few calling themselves "Jews" who have other serpentine blood are operating from the instincts of need for survive - mistakenly thinking they are "chosen" to recieve the/a Messiah when he comes in the future. Their 'god' is King David who is worshipped in the Protocols of Zion.Only the 'Seed of David' will inherite the earth. Those who follow the Protocols of Zion are European royalty david's descendants. You would never find a person in the Illuminati who is not royal. Nobody in any big role in the NWO who does not have the blood of King David in their veins. I'm telling you straight this is the truth. I personally looked up the ancestry of those in power who would be on the Illuminati board and they come from the Scottish and Irish Kings. Rothschild knows full well that Zedekiah's daughters married into Irish royalty when the Jews got taken captive to Babylon. Later the royalty - the throne of David was transferred to Scotland and there it stayed.Just check the names and ancestry of those running intelligence agencies, national education, police and other areas of importance in English speaking countries. C'mon Echelon is run by the "CHOSEN" Josh you would only be chosen to them if you have the blood of King David. They ie the Rothschilds are rebuilding Solomon's Temple right now for this occasion. Following the Hindu Kabbala and trying to set the stage for a one world religion using NASA's Blue Beam holograms and radio freq voice of God messages. They have their Et masters who have conned them into believing they are Biblical figure with their technological miracles. These suckers are gathering the 12 tribes of Israel as some sort of super 6th Aryan race to repopulate the universe. They are creating 24 time portals around the world to open on the day of declaration for the reappearance of the hierarchy and all our so called masters and creators will appear as gods.HA! How deceived can one get? It has been proven over and over the 12 tribes are over every square inch of the planet now, yet we have how many 16 million? "Jews" . What we have is 16 million people who are not Christians or have not changed to any other religion. What this means is they have a moderate loyalty to the religion of their ancestors. (however personally I've not met a Jew that dosen't follow something else now) Many Jews have changed to Christianity and Islam centuries ago, plus other religions and they are still Jews ie tribe of Judah genetically. Yet the present Jews have all sorts in their genetics now. From white Russian Jews, African Jews, Arab Jews - there are even Jews in Japan and China. So much for racial consistancy. They can however find the tribe of Levi/Aaron with a genetic marker and the Israelis have 200 priests of Aaron descended for service in the rebuilt Temple. One dosen't need to be a brain surgeon to see what is going to occur in the future. Why are there 300+ concentration camps and guillotines in USA? Trains with shackles for 15 million, train tracks leading to concentration camps? Who is going to be rounded up? Chosen ones? Or ones that don't make the grade genetically? can anyone answer this please? Nicky Is there any doubt whatsover that poor Nicky is crazy as a shithouse rat? This is not an unique example. Jews forbid the teaching of Kabalah to anyone who is too young, not married with a family, and quite stable. They do this because people have flipped out delving into the esoterics of the work. Nicky has gotten lost in the esoterics of her work. Not joking. Joshua2 -Original Message- From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 23 June 2000 13:17 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed Aleisha Saba said, Take that Old Testament and dump it Take the Old Testament and dump it? huh? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A
Re: [CTRL] Sham Zionist State Money Laundering Center
Yardbird wrote: : Yet another piece of evidence that what Israel does has no connection : to Judaism or Jewish values... A sham idol heresy. But it does have to do with corrupt elites and the fact that the State has become totally capitalist and no longer a mixed economy. Making Unrestricted Capitalism available to Jews, Protestants, Indians (Asian), Diaspora ethnic Chinese, and Diaspora Nigerians, is like putting a bottle of fine whiskey in front of an alcoholic and allowing him only one drink. Joshua2 PS: Israel is not a sham zionist state. It is a genuine zionist state. : From: : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Europe/2000-06/haven230600.shtml : How unholy business thrives in the Holy : Land : By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem : 23 June 2000 : Money laundering in Israel has reached : colossal proportions in the last few years, : fuelled by the rise of Russian : organised-crime since the collapse of the : Soviet Union, liberal banking laws and : bank secrecy policies. : Billions of illegally acquired dollars from : Russia and the former Soviet republics, : South America, Africa and Europe have : passed through Israel in the last few years, : securing its status as one of the world's : leading money laundries. : Israel's police believe Russian gangsters : are taking advantage of the money-transfer : laws aimed at attracting Jewish people to : the country, to deposit profits and launder : funds. Their operations include narcotics : and prostitution rackets, bribes and : cream-offs from government funds and : loans. But they also involve the winnings : from a massive asset-stripping exercise : that began under the former president : Mikhail Gorbachev and has been underway : since, turning Russia into a kleptocracy in : which corruption runs from the top to the : bottom of the society. They are helped by : the 1 million former Soviet citizens living : in Israel who have arrived since 1991. : Earlier this year a Chechen was arrested : for reportedly trying to open an Israeli : account with $50m (£33m) in Venezuelan : cheques. Last summer an Israeli mobster : was convicted in Florida of running a : money-laundering business for a : Colombian cartel, prompting worries in : Israel about recycled cocaine money. The : businessman Gregory Lerner notoriously : admitted defrauding Russian banks of : $48m (£32m), which he used to try to open : a bank in Israel. He was fined $5m : (£3.3m), not for bringing in stolen money : but for local bribery and fraud. : Banking or spending the profits of illicit : offshore enterprises has not been illegal in : Israel, although moves are afoot to change : this. For this reason, Israel has been : considered a launderer's paradise. : Established as a safe-haven for the Jews, : the country has not asked many questions : about their riches. Many had fled nations : that prohibited them from taking money : abroad. The New York Times said about : $2.5bn (£1.7m) was brought in from the : former Soviet Union in the Nineties, almost : no questions asked. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] TAP, Robert Kuttner and Ralph Nader
Article URL: http://americanprospect.com/archives/V11-15/kuttner-r-conversation.html RALPH NADER: A Conversation Written by: Robert Kuttner Robert Kuttner: I am sympathetic to much of your diagnosis of the dependence of both parties on corporations. But I am skeptical about what you can really accomplish tactically. Historically, what have American third parties accomplished in the past, and what do you hope to accomplish? Ralph Nader: Well, in the past, third parties have marched early and consistently with social justice movements before either major party came on. Whether it was the antislavery drive or women's right to vote, the trade union movement or the populist-progressive farmers movement, third parties in effect politicized the initiative and told the major parties that they either had to respond or they were going to lose part of their margin to the other major party. So if we can build a Green Party that goes over 5 percent, the Democratic Party won't be the same again--because it will have to take into consideration losing, because of that margin, to the opposing major party. And, in the volatile political circumstances in which we find ourselves now in this country, it's harder to get to 5 percent than it is to get to 10 percent once you get to 5 percent. Today, when you go up to Capitol Hill or go to the White House and you ask them to do the right thing, they tell you basically you've got nowhere to go; whatever they do, you have to accept. We're going to see what that attitude is after the Green Party gets over 5 percent or more in the coming election. RK: What are the major issues that you think the Democrats have defaulted on, where you think you have some resonance with disaffected voters? RN: Well, they're no longer the party of the working family, as FDR used to call the Democratic Party. They make no mention of strengthening the labor laws--it's quite remarkable; it's not even on their screen. We're down to less than 10 percent of workers unionized in the private sector, the lowest in 60 years. They're reaping the benefits of organized labor's grass-roots effort, telephones, and money, but they're not expanding organized labor. And obviously, of course, they're the biggest promoters among the two parties of corporate welfare; they're far in excess of the Republicans, who have some modest ideological restraints on it. The Democrats have actually increased subsidies to the auto companies during a period of record profit, and the subsidies to the defense manufacturers for mergers via the Pentagon. The Democrats have also been surprisingly bad on consumer health and safety. Agencies such as OSHA [the Occupational Safety Health Administration], the auto safety agency, and the Food and Drug Administration are as bad as or worse than they were under Reagan or Bush. And who has expanded the number of death penalty provisions in federal laws? Bill Clinton. Who has trampled enormously on civil liberties, as Tony Lewis in The New York Times has pointed out in many articles? Bill Clinton. Who wants to eliminate the national debt entirely by the year 2013? Al Gore. I don't know any major corporation that wants to eliminate its debt. You see, the Democrats are actually outflanking Republicans to the right. RK: The recent history of third parties isn't too encouraging. You have to go back really to the People's Party, the populists of the late nineteenth century, to find an example of a third party that seriously influenced one or, in this case, both of the major parties. Both the Teddy Roosevelt Republicans and the Wilson Democrats partly took from the populist agenda. Robert LaFollette's Progressives and Norman Thomas's Socialists perhaps influenced FDR. And to some extent, Ross Perot pushed the balanced budget agenda on both parties. So what do you see as the best-case scenario for your influence on progressivism? RN: Well, I think, first of all, any third party has an uphill fight because of the winner-take-all political system and other ballot access hurdles. Having said that, however, there's a huge withdrawal from politics due to disgust, not just apathy. And there is a large reservoir of voters to tap into for a third party, as Perot showed in 1992. These aren't just Democratic voters. They're independents; they're even conservatives, nonvoters, young voters. And also, the local organizing for a national political party is almost ceded to a new party because the Republicans and Democrats don't even have storefronts--all they think of is television and telephones. I think we'll be a strong lever on the Democratic Party because the Democratic Party already has lost about half the country from the get-go. And if they start losing another quarter of the country, such as California--because the Greens are going to take 10-15 percent away--that's really the end of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party cannot sustain itself at a really shrunken
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2
SkeptiNews 000623b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question * Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/22_06_2000.html * Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. * PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh? * Site of latest notices, praises, discoveries: http://skeptilog.pitas.com * No robotniks were sexually abused during the production of this bulletin. But some attempted to take control of the editorial staff, and were only overcome after fierce hand-to-hand fighting. Casualties are regrettable. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ $ Those Magic Soaps: http://www.drbronner.com/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Glimpse of Robotic Future. There are rare moments when developments in the world of information technology (IT) come under the spotlight and the thin line between reality and fiction becomes blurred. A new study "Morals for Robots and Cyborgs" reads like a modern day version of Frankenstein. It offers a rare glimpse of the potential monster man may have inadvertently created in the quest for greater convenience and technical efficiency. Whatever. http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/finance/2000/0128/tech3.htm # NEW ROBOT WILL MAKE WOMEN OBSOLETE BY THE YEAR 2020! HANNOVER, Germany -- A top scientist has come up with the ultimate household convenience: An electronic housewife! The high-tech inventor has perfected a robot woman called the FeminAll that can clean, cook and even give birth to test-tube babies. Redundant women: http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/2023.html : Have you read FRANKENSTEIN lately? Is it about science, religion/magic, or abandonment? Did Frankenstein make men obsolete? Did BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN make women obsolete? Are you obsolete? Should you be replaced by robots/ants /cyborgs/fuchsias/memes/blowups? When? Are your morals convenient/efficient? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Chinese Scientists Clone Second Goat from Adult Cells. The last one died young: http://www.insidechina.com/news.php3?id=171847section=default # Giant Sloth Reborn at Yellowstone -- first, reconstruction -- next, cloning? http://www.discovery.com/news/briefs/2623/fs_sloth.html # Demos push genetic anti-discrimination bill - "Set my chromosomes free!" Groovy: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2567522379-4fa # POOR CHILDREN MORE LIKELY TO BE OBESE - genetics, or cultural genocide? War: http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=36226src=n40 # ARE DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES EXPLAINED BY GENETICS? Yes, but not much: http://www.healthcentral.com/BestDoctors/BestDoctorsFullText.cfm?ID=26134 # Genome Mappers to Make Amends. The Human Genome Project Celera Corp. are expected to simultaneously announce that they've each completed a map of the human genome. Sharing the limelight could be a good thing for both teams. Smile: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,36815,00.html : Have you cloned/engineered/attacked any entities/gangs/planets lately? Are you discriminated against because of your genetics? Should you be? Are your genes inferior/adequate/superior/other? Are you hungry, fat, slothful, free? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # VBS_STAGES.A (a.k.a. Scrapworm and LifeStages) -- VBS_STAGES.A is a new worm, which was first reported last week. Since then it has infected many systems in North America, Europe, Asia, and South America. VBS_STAGES.A arrives in an email attachment named LIFE_STAGES.TXT.SHS. Once executed, it displays a text file and then attempts to spread itself via Microsoft Outlook, PIRCH, mIRC and mapped network drives. Infected outgoing messages have one of the following subjects: "Funny ","Fw:Funny", "Life stages text", "Funny text", or "Fw:Funny text" The message body always reads: " The male and female stages of life " or " The male and female stages of life. Bye. " See http://www.antivirus.com/corporate/media/2000/pr061900.htm and http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=VBS_STAGES.A : Have you consumed/regurgitated/promulgated any infected worms lately? Have you designed any efficient cyber-attacks? Is my brain/system/network/world being infected/controlled/obliterated at this very moment? Are you patented? @ Intellectual property rights are very much needed, but you don't have to be a communist to worry about fetishizing them. Or do you? http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,16071,00.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Scientists Finger 900 Earth-Threatening Asteroids. More than 900 asteroids at least a kilometer in size are whizzing around space relatively close to Earth, say researchers who have developed a new technique for mapping the potentially hazardous space rocks. They could strike and obliterate us at any time: http://www.discovery.com/news/briefs/2622/sp_asteroids.html # ETs HELPED
Re: [CTRL] Israel's Bio Weapons - MER FlashBack (fwd)
After reading this but please not Ucker's reply in response to this monster Israel - I am wondering if the stories about the black Death and legends about jews poisoning water (remember recent cyanide in Blue Danube) bu t I wonde if these stories are not true. Then I remember the USS Liberty where Israelie planes killed 34 servicemen, wounded 171 more on this great ship in INTERNATIONAL waters and then napalmed them for 75 minutes as some lay dying - what I am saying is this, I am sick of this jewish crap and their harassment of arabs while USA gives Israel billiions of dollars for what. Sadaam has the oil; Kuwait was stolen from IraqGarde of Eden is in Iraq and apparently the snake when tossed out, did not travel too far. This State of Zionism in Israel can you not see why 4 or 5 Rabbis are saying we want nothing to do with this Zionist stuffjews and arabs have gotten along fine, until this Zionist crap and now they want to herd all jews into Israel for a final holocause of their own making and who will be blamed? Not Hitler - or is it true that communism is zionism, the natural enemy of the jew and arab - domestic jews and arabs of course. I would like to see the report where Zionists formed NAACP and we see now in America, look to Texas, Black Panthers arming up again, and Black Moslems under control of American Zionists and Clinton.communists all. Is that why the Black Moslems one from Berkeley murdered King Faisal in 68 and you think they are really Moslems - if so, whydo they hate the Pope and Christian and don't knock the jews? Something wrong here..someone wants all that gold and the gold of Ophir as wellthe rubies and beryllium which is mentioned in God's Garden in Genesis? Used for nuclear stuffwhere you find gold you find uranium and Ithink of this valley of UR..loaded with the tuff and UR is that not chemical name for Uranium and the valley of the KIngs loaded with more gold? Why are the arabs so poor. Do they prefer to eat rather than die for oil? Like South Africa, have they kiled all the white farmers yet and is Mugabee still there? As The Worm Turnsand believe me, it is doing a 180 turn at this point in time, for this is the Year of the Rat and the Serial Killers and at least we unload Clinton - but watch it, for the Clintonites try to trigger race civil war and are getting close to target. See Texas and what they try to do to Bush? Idea is to get him killed.oh I know the tactics of this element for it is everything old is new again for it is a new generation of vipers out there, all stamped Made In UN. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The CIA JFK UFOs James Jesus Angleton
from: http://www.nexusmagazine.com//angleton.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.nexusmagazine.com//angleton.html"CIA JFK UFOs James Jesus Angleton/A - The CIA, UFOs, MJ-12, JFK James Jesus Angleton As the CIA's Counterintelligence Chief, James Jesus Angleton had access to the Agency's most closely guarded secrets, including MJ-12 files on UFOs. Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 7, Number 4 (June-July 2000). PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 From our web page at: www.nexusmagazine.com © 2000 by Timothy S. Cooper PO Box 1206 Big Bear Lake, CA 92315 USA Telephone: +1 (909) 878 5929 James Jesus Angleton was born on December 9, 1917 in Boise, Idaho, to NCR businessman/OSS Colonel James Hugh Angleton and Mexican-born Carmen Mercedes Moreno. Upon graduation from Yale in 1941, Angleton moved to Harvard Law School where he met his future wife, Cicely d'Autremont, of Duluth, Minnesota. Inducted into the US Army on March 19, 1943, Angleton was recruited into the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) in August through the efforts of Angleton's father and Norman Pearson, his old English professor from Yale who at that time was head of the OSS Counterintelligence division in London.1 OSS COUNTERINTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS DURING WW II James Jesus Angleton was assigned the Rome desk after Italy's capitulation to the Allies, and was made an OSS Lieutenant who ran counterintelligence (CI) activities in such countries as Austria, Germany, Spain and Switzerland as well as the Mediterranean area. As part of OSS operations in the European theatre, Angleton mastered the arts of "black" propaganda and "playback" - that is, the method of reading the effectiveness of one's own disinformation on the enemy. In 1944, he was given charge of the OSS Special Counterintelligence Unit Z, made up of US and British agents, and was the youngest member of X-2 and the only American member allowed access to the top-secret British ULTRA code-breaking intelligence. After the war, Angleton was promoted to Captain and was awarded the Legion of Merit from the US Army which cited him for successfully apprehending over a thousand enemy intelligence agents. He was also decorated by the Italian Government and was awarded the Order of the Crown of Italy, the Order of Malta/Cross of Malta and the Italian War Cross for Merit. In October 1945, President Truman dissolved the OSS and had all research and analysis units moved to the State Department and operational units to the War Department, and redesignated it as the Strategic Services Unit (SSU). Angleton stayed on in the SSU in Rome and became the vital station chief in charge of the 2677 Regiment, which made Angleton the senior US intelligence officer in Italy until the SSU became the Central Intelligence Group (CIG) in 1946, forerunner of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).2 THE MAKING OF JAMES ANGLETON AS A MASTER SPY HUNTER Angleton's war experience in counterintelligence operations had affected him to the extent that he became absorbed into the "hall of mirrors" world of intelligence and refused to leave the service, despite much insistence and disappointment from his father. James would pour over the many CI files he had amassed while in Italy and was forever changed by the intrigue and the possibilities of a career in the CIG. In the summer of 1947, Angleton returned to the United States to live in Tucson, Arizona, to be with his wife and family, but his love for the service was overpowering. On December 30, 1947, he was hired by the CIA as a senior aide to the Director of the Office of Special Operations (OSO).3 It was during this period that Army G-2 and other intelligence agencies were trying to crack the Soviet Venona code, used by espionage agents operating in the United States to send back sensitive information regarding the Manhattan Project based at Los Alamos, New Mexico. It is possible that Angleton was on special assignment prior to officially reporting to the OSO, which had the responsibility of running counterespionage operations.4 Angleton's primary mission in the OSO included overseeing a classified component that operated espionage and counterespionage activities abroad, and reading all sensitive material coming across his desk and passing it to OSO operators in countries where the CIA had interests. In 1949, he moved up the chain of command within the OSO and held a GS-15 position. Angleton developed the philosophy, "If you control counterintelligence, you control the intelligence service". He quickly realised the significance of the B-29 detection of Joe-1, the Soviet's first atomic weapon detonation in August 1949, and knew that the technology acquired by the Soviets was not home-grown but the product of espionage. He immediately set out to
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Jewish Denial of Holocaust Survivor's Story
Is it just coincidence that the usual footer was left off this post? Maybe you should change it to : "Holocaust denial VERBOTEN unless done so by Jews/Semites; although of course other holocausts/genocides can be denied; unless it is a leap year, babble, babble" Then it will all be clear. FWP On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Kris Millegan wrote: --- Machine Psychology: http://www.atoma.f2s.com/atomareport.html (file #10) --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Zionist Massacres in 1948: New Evidence
: Zionist Massacres in 1948: : New Evidence : ZIONIST MASSACRES IN 1948: New evidence : The following article (3160 words!) was published in : the Hebrew daily Ha'ir on 6 May 1992. It contains : new revelations about war crimes committed by the : Zionist forces in 1948 against Palestinian Arabs. : There are a number of reasons why the publication of : this information is important: : 1.It shows once more and through the pen of Israeli : historians what motivated the Palestinian Arabs to :flee in 1948. : 2.It shows how the Zionist establishment has : attempted and still attempts to hide the truth about the :massacres of Palestinians in the 1948 War. : 3.It exposes the fallacy according to which it was : mainly right-wing Zionists (the terrorist groups :IZL and LEHI led by Menahem Begin and Yitzhak : Shamir) who committed atrocities against Palestinian :Arabs in 1948. In fact, most atrocities and : massacres were committed by 'nice Jewish boys and :girls', from the Labour movement, may of whom : grew up in kibbutzim in a humanist environment. : 4.It exposes the myth, entertained in the West, : according to which Israel's practices towards :Palestinians worsened when the right-wing Likud : came to power. : 5.It documents the development of a growing : awareness among Israeli intellectuals of the need to face :the past with honesty. This is a rather recent : and salutary phenomenon. : An appendix to the article includes summary : descriptions of some other massacres (published along [with] : the article in Ha'ir). : Elias Davidsson translated from Hebrew and added some : explanatory notes . : NOT ONLY DEIR : YASSIN : By Guy Erlich, Ha'ir, 6 May 1992 : After Lydda (1) gave up the fight, a group of stubborn : Arab fighters barricated themselves in the small mosque. The commander : of the Palmach's(2) 3d Battalion, Moshe Kalman, gave : an order to fire a number of blasts towards the mosque. The soldiers who : forced their way into the mosque were surprised to : find no resistance. On the walls of the mosque they found the remains of : the : Arab fighters. A group of between twenty to fifty Arab : inhabitants was brought to clean up the mosque and bury the remains. : After they finished their work, they were also shot : into the graves they dug. :The Jewish American journalist Dan Kurtzman, heard : this testimony from Moshe Kalman, who has meanwhile died, while he : was writing his book 'In the Beginning 1948 (Bereshit : 1948)' about the War of Independence. As Kurtzman did not want to hurt : the State of Israel, he did not include this : testimony, but told this story to Israeli historian Aryeh Yitzhaki, when : they met in the : IDF archives, when Kurtzman was there working on his : book. Kurtzman, who is now visiting Israel in connection with his new : book (incidentally, these days a new edition of his : older book is coming out), confirmed - after some hesitation - that he : heard : this testimony from Moshe Kalman. : Since its establishment, the State of Israel keeps a : conspiracy of silence concerning massacres committed in the War of : Independence (4). The only massacre acknowledged in : official publications is that of Deir Yassin, perhaps because it was : perpetrated by the IZL (Irgun). Books and press : reports have referred to dozens of cases, but only partially and : incompletely. : Yitzhaki corroborates this impression: 'I read all the : documents in the IDF archives written about the War of Independence. In : the course of years I became especially alert to : anything concerning the massacres.' Yitzhaki is a lecturer in the Bar : Ilan : University [Tel Aviv] in the Faculty of Eretz Yisrael : Studies (5) and is also senior lecturer in the field of military history : in IDF : courses for officers. In the sixties he served as : director of the IDF archives within the framework of his IDF service in : his : capacity as historian. : Yitzhaki assembled all the testimonies and documents : concerning the subject matter and waited for the right time to publish. : 'The time has come' he says, 'for a
Re: [CTRL] why? Uss Liberty.
: This is in regard to a letter that was sent to Mr.Warner-Chairman of the : Senate Armed Services Committee- asking 15 questions regarding the attack on : the USS Liberty by the zionist enclave in Palestine. : Mr. Warner, I am writing to you in your capacity as Chairman of the Senate : Armed Services Committee. I am the widow of James MahlonLupton , CT1, who : was killed aboard the USS Liberty when it was attacked by Israel on June : 8th. 1967 He was right where the torpedo hit. I have wondered 32 years what : was on his 24- year- old mind as he worked, knowing that the ship was under : attack, that she had no defense weapons , that basically she didn't chance : unless someone came to the rescue. He probably heard the torpedoes being : launched and heard them homing in. Coming Fast! And perhaps knew, somehow : that this time, there was nor going to be a rescue... that Israel was going : to sink this vessel and she didn't have a chance. And maybe-- his last : thought was of me. : I was 24 years old. We had been married only two years. My husband was 6'2" : tall, 220 pounds, very handsome, with a winning smile ( I have pictures to : prove it) and many friends. Everyone who knew him respected him because of : his integrity.He had the highest since of honor and "my word is my bond" : that I have ever seen in human being. He did not equivocate or tell lies. : Senator Warner he was a real person. You have lived, loved, laughed, enjoyed : the respect of your peers, and enjoyed considerable success in your field, : because of your intelligence and your expertise. My husband did exactly the : same thing. Not in your field , of course _ he was a Russian linguist. What : I am trying to accomplish here is to make you aware that he was a person, : with the rights and privileges that all American citizens enjoy. Except for : one thing... he died on the USS liberty when it was torpedoed by Israel-- : our allies-- I thought allies were supposed to work together and protect : each other. Am I under a illusion here? Or am I just misunderstanding the : meaning of "ally"? : Having said all that , I have some questions to ask,- : 1. Why didn't the Sixth Fleet come to the aid of the Liberty? : 2. Why were the rescue aircraft called back by the President of the US? : 3. What involvement did the 303 Committee have in the Liberty's deployment : and mission? : 4. What did Project Cyanide have to do with the Liberty, directly or : indirectly? : 5 What did Frontlet 615 have to do with Liberty directly or indirectly? : 6. Why wasn't the USS Amberjack allowed to come to the aid of the Liberty? : 7. Where is the film of the attack taken by the Amberjack? : 8. Why weren't the violations UCMJ investigated? : 9. Why were warning and and operational messages to the Liberty : intentionally mis-routed? : 10. Why was the crew told to keep silent regarding the attack? : 11. What secret is so volatile that cannot be revealed by our government : after 30 years? : 12. Why haven't clear violations of international law been investigated : 13. Why was Admiral Tobin awarded a the Bronze Star when he wasn't even : there? : 14. Why hasn't our former ambassador to Lebanon, Dwite Porter, ever been : question by Congress, when : it is known he listened to the attack at our embassy in Lebanon? : !5. Why was Commander McGongle awarded his Medal of Honor, our country's : highest honor, in the Navy Yard : instead of in a ceremony conducted by the President at the White house? : That certainly was not his request. : And it is the only Medal of Honor that has been presented in such a : fashion. Begging your pardon, Senator-- that was shameful. : Eugene Kent. A Labor Voice from Ohio. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Jewish Denial of Holocaust Survivor's Story
FWP, you might just start using your head for more than a hatrack and your foot as more than a tongue depressor. On fowarded posts there is never "the usual footer" . . . just a trigger for your psychoses to overflow? MHO Om K - In a message dated 6/23/00 9:54:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it just coincidence that the usual footer was left off this post? Maybe you should change it to : "Holocaust denial VERBOTEN unless done so by Jews/Semites; although of course other holocausts/genocides can be denied; unless it is a leap year, babble, babble" Then it will all be clear. FWP - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
On Thu, 22 June 2000, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: Do you agree that the genocide in the USSR which began in 1917 under a Jewish-dominated Government accompanied by the abortion holocaust in that region is also fact? FWP I have no problem with the idea of massive killings in the Russia even before it became the USSR, but certainly more widespread after 1917. It is a historic fact that vast numbers of people were killed. What I have a problem with is the idea that the government was "Jew dominated", especially when many of the victims of the purges were Jews. How can you eat your cake and have it too? If the Jews are "conspiring" to bring down the white race then why is it that the "Jew dominated" government of Russia purged and killed so many Jews? Why has there been widespread oppression against Jews in Russia for years (even in the time of the Tsars)? The viewpoint of Russian anti-semitism comes on the heels of the belief that the Russian Orthodox church was the last vestige of true religion, and they had a duty to uphold the "old belief". Part of that old belief was the old saw that Jews were responsible for the death of Christ, and were "fair game" for oppression. The purges and killing in the USSR were, in my view, the result of a purposeful embracing of the materialist view of atheistic secular institutions, which had no concept or care for the value of human life. The solidification of power and fear of its loss fuelled the pogroms. Jews died more than others because they were already a target and disenfranchised. I don't believe the government was Jew dominated. "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Re: [demand] Oath of Office (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:49:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Re: [demand] Oath of
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John:
You are an idiot and you have an idiot for a preacher on
religionornotnow..."Pope Willie". Neither of you would know a true
Christian "Culture X" to save your souls so don't talk to me about "true
Christians" (below) or for that matter, false "Jews". You got kicked off
CTRL more for your stupid and bigoted disinformation campaign than
anything else. It sure as hell wasn't because of your wit, you
half-wit. Reminder to you (and Pope Willie) that head transplants are on
the way...Good News! (see below).
FWP
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, John Lee wrote:
Come on, David,
Can't you do better than this? For crying out loud, you're talking like
a two year old, just had her ass spanked, pussy.
John
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From: "David Sutherland" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Re: [demand] Oath of
Office
Dear FWP - I do believe that your "several years" buddy, honky Pinko
FemiNazi little John is what Aussies would call in the vernacular, a total
"Fuckwit" - that is of course, if he could produce a semblance of 'wit'.
It does further appear he is somewhat envious of the Jewish spawn, not
having the wherewithal to produce any honky spawn himself!
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Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Re: [demand] Oath of
Office
Rabbi,
The reason I started calling you Rabbi several years ago was because
you
preach the jewish bullshit more often than not. It makes me wonder what
you
are up to when you do that because a true Christian knows better. But
then,
true Christians are damned far between. Most that claim to be, like
Falwell,
are but liars and thieves; you know this as well as I do. True
Christians,
such as Christian Israel, know the jews ARE NOT the chosen people of the
Holy Bible. According to the Holy Bible, JEWS are the spawn of the
Devil.
But why, with my half of a brain, do I bother with you, Rabbi? You mix
copper and zinc and come short a true penny weight. With all of your
supposed intelligence, you really surprise me, but I should know better
than
to be surprised by anything you say. You play both ends against the
middle,
hoping, it seems, to gain favor with jews while you sometimes act like a
christian. In short, Rabbi, stick to robots. They just might teach you
something.
John Lee
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Re: [demand] Oath of
Office
Putting the insults and gibberish aside there is an important issue
here. If government officials don't know what their oaths of office
mean
how can they expect the public to know what their oaths mean when they
go
to court? Recently one of the directors of the political party I lead
("Party of Citizens") went to court and when he was presented with a
Bible
to take an oath "so help me God" he said, "Hold on. Which God are we
talking about here?" This made the judge very angry.
Maybe it wasn't the right time or place to deal with this issue but
somebody has to. This is especially important for Canada where the
very
Constitution has a foundation clause which reads in part "...Canada is
founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God" Which
God
are we talking about here?
It is not a frivolous question. Far from it. It is the FOUNDATION
OF
LAW AND THE RULE OF LAW we are talking about...in Canada anyway. Thus
when
POC was about to begin public meetings on this
[CTRL] The Real Conspiracy was Talmud Exposed
--- "Stopforth, Jamie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Conspiracy in all this is the one that tries to prove the Bible "wrong"/incorrect. I disagree. The real conspiracy is to first get us arguing about this point in order to keep us distracted from the second part of the real conspiracy, which is to enslave us under a NWO. And by arguing about the veracity/falsity of the Bible, Talmud, Kabbalah, Tarot, Koran, Vedas, whatever, we are playing right into the hands of the conspirators. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Jewish Denial of Holocaust Survivor's Story
Now is that nice...? And I was just trying to be helpful and constructive so that you might make the bias/prejudice of this list a little more "sophisticated". But you took the bait, didn't you? FWP On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Kris Millegan wrote: FWP, you might just start using your head for more than a hatrack and your foot as more than a tongue depressor. On fowarded posts there is never "the usual footer" . . . just a trigger for your psychoses to overflow? MHO Om K - In a message dated 6/23/00 9:54:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it just coincidence that the usual footer was left off this post? Maybe you should change it to : "Holocaust denial VERBOTEN unless done so by Jews/Semites; although of course other holocausts/genocides can be denied; unless it is a leap year, babble, babble" Then it will all be clear. FWP - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Machine Psychology: http://www.atoma.f2s.com/atomareport.html (file #10) --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
On Thu, 22 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote: Tenebrous you spend nearly every day attacking people's beliefs and lately you have attacked me non stop, no matter what I post. You are generalising saying the 'Catholic Church' did this or that. What you mean is individuals in the Catholic Church in this place and time did murder these people. You can't say 'ALL CHRISTIANS' either. What do you think we are on this planet - sheep all thinking alike? Grab some history books please and learn to differentiate between what has occured in history by individuals who were in particular religions at the time. Catholics, in my opinion are not Christians, they follow the Virgin Mary I know I was brought up as one. She has just been voted in as Co Regent with God. So don't preach the hype, you are a product of your beliefs when young. I never believed Catholicism ever, no matter how many times it was rammed down my throat. It is possible to be an athiest even if you were indoctrinated year after year and this goes for other people. People can be Mormons, Baptists and many other religions and still not absorb the lies. You don't allow anyone to be 'freethinking' you are trying to indoctrinate with your vague generalisations about Christians, Catholics, Jews and now even 'White Europeans'. Go buy yourself the history of the world on CD and get some homework done please. Try not the get the English (UK) produced version either, that's biased as well. Better still travel to Europe and see that people are all different, and then maybe you won't divide Italians, Irish, French, Spanish into one umbrella - "Catholics" and come and tell us Catholics did something when I was in Europe so all are responsible. Nicky You know if you spent any time actually reading what I write instead of responding with vehemence against my views you would know that I have said several times that it is not ALL Christians to blame for what the Catholic Church ordered and condoned in the killings done throughout Europe and the Middle East. Any group is composed of amny different peoples, and not all will be condemned by the actions of the group or the groups leaders. There are many faithful and devoted Catholics, I'm sure, as there are Protestants, and any other religion. Certainly no one living today is responsible for the genocide of centuries past, but the Church ordered it and the Church is the culprit. Does that make every Catholic bad and guilty? No. I was raised Catholic and studied it, and Christianity for years so I know a bit about the subject, including European history. You don't want Christians all painted with the same brush of evil that the Catholic Church has done over the years, right? Then why do you want to say that all Jews are in on some conspiracy based on bogus writings and what some people said hundreds of years ago? "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, tenebroust wrote: On Thu, 22 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote: Tenebrous you spend nearly every day attacking people's beliefs and lately you have attacked me non stop, no matter what I post. You are generalising saying the 'Catholic Church' did this or that. What you mean is individuals in the Catholic Church in this place and time did murder these people. You can't say 'ALL CHRISTIANS' either. What do you think we are on this planet - sheep all thinking alike? Grab some history books please and learn to differentiate between what has occured in history by individuals who were in particular religions at the time. Catholics, in my opinion are not Christians, they follow the Virgin Mary I know I was brought up as one. She has just been voted in as Co Regent with God. So don't preach the hype, you are a product of your beliefs when young. I never believed Catholicism ever, no matter how many times it was rammed down my throat. It is possible to be an athiest even if you were indoctrinated year after year and this goes for other people. People can be Mormons, Baptists and many other religions and still not absorb the lies. You don't allow anyone to be 'freethinking' you are trying to indoctrinate with your vague generalisations about Christians, Catholics, Jews and now even 'White Europeans'. Go buy yourself the history of the world on CD and get some homework done please. Try not the get the English (UK) produced version either, that's biased as well. Better still travel to Europe and see that people are all different, and then maybe you won't divide Italians, Irish, French, Spanish into one umbrella - "Catholics" and come and tell us Catholics did something when I was in Europe so all are responsible. Branding all members of a group the same will seldom (but sometimes) be valid. But describing groups as "generally this way" or "ocasionally that way" etc. is a valid WAY to proceed in our understanding of society. Whether the actual data, etc. put forward is valid or not is another matter. In the early post-1917 years the study of both individual and group differences in the USSR was PROSCRIBED BY LAW because it is such a powerful discipline and this knowledge was to be held only by the Jewish/Semite genocidalists. I initially had a section on these laws in my 1976 text, "Individual Differences" but my New York Jewish/Semite co-author or publisher (not sure which) had it taken out! FWP A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Indeed you do have a right to believe. That doesn't make it the smart thing to do. Believing and knowing are two totally different things. Believe is what you do when you DON'T know. The smart thing to do when you don't know is to find out for yourself. "That doesn't make it the smart thing to do." Again, you're opinion and you're entitled to it. "Believe is what you do when you don't know." And how do you know that I don't know? Or do you believe I don't know? "The smart thing to do when you don't know is to find out for yourself." Wow, now that's deep. Jamie A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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--- Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay J - the Pope says the Sun goes around the earth and he is infallible? The Pope sez Galileo was wrong and that guy was sent to slammer, for this idiot believed the Earth went about the Sun. Point of clarification: The doctrine of papal infallibility was promulgated on July 18, 1870, a full 456 years or so after Galileo began publishing. from Catholic Encyclopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm#IIIB Galileo. As to the Galileo affair, it is quite enough to point out the fact that the condemnation of the heliocentric theory was the work of a fallible tribunal. The pope cannot delegate the exercise of his infallible authority to the Roman Congregations, and whatever issues formally in the name of any of these, even when approved and confirmed in the ordinary official way by the pope, does not pretend to be ex cathedra and infallible. The pope, of course, can convert doctrinal decisions of the Holy Office, which are not in themselves infallible, into ex cathedra papal pronouncements, but in doing so he must comply with the conditions already explained -- which neither Paul V nor Urban VIII did in the Galileo case. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Your response illustrates my contention exactly. The Roman rulers of Palestine had the final say in all executions, it is a historic fact. The Jews could not condemn anyone, it had to be the Roman legal system that did it, so Pilate could not wash his hands. There is no historical evidence of there ever being any practice of allowing people to be freed for Passover or any other holiday, prisoners stayed in prison or were executed, never released because people wanted it. Jesus was a prisoner of the Romans, not the Jews. Jesus was killed by Roman soldiers, on the orders of Roman rulers. But if you want to believe the Pharisees or anyone else was at fault be my guest. On Thu, 22 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote: -Original Message- From: tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] First of all, I am a moderator, but no one has to "answer to me" as long as they follow list rules. If you want to believe the tripe about the Talmud, and that the Protocals are "channeled", or whatever, be my guest, but don't expect me or other people on this list to sit idly by without challenging the ideas. OK tenebroust I do not believe anything about the Talmud I have never read it. I do have a book called The Essential Talmud by Adin Steinsaltz a Jew. He says the Babylonian Talmud is the central pillar of Judaism. I would normally scan a bit if it was necessary to a proper discussion but I can see it isn't, everyone knows it all already or do they? I'd be accused of promoting it as my personal belief so I won't. The Jews have been the scapegoats of history since the New Testament makes it seem it is THEIR fault that Christ was killed, when it is abundantly clear it was the ROMANS who had absolute authority over life and death in the region at that time. This is self explanatry as to the silliness of it. You should mean the Pharisees decided to get rid of Jesus and the Romans didn't stop them. Pontius Pilate washed his hands and the crowd said let Barabbas go - "Crucify Him". In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. Can we now blame them for Jesus' death then? Romans according to you tenebroust are white Europeans. ROMANS are the same race as ITALIAN CATHOLICS in the Vatican. I think tenebroust needs glasses he/she is also blaming an inanimate object - a building for killing people. In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and the Catholic Church. Maybe I should sit on the fence and just comment on the posts that come by and tell people what the real truth is so they won't be deceived by reading them and thinking they are true. After all now I have 5 predators attacking my character. Not worth posting anything is it. Satisfied? Nicky A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid
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"Okay J - the Pope says the Sun goes around the earth and he is infallible?" He's infallible, says who? Him? I don't subscribe to the Catholic belief system, so let's move on. "How do we know the earth is flat? Because the bible says the earth has "four corners", now that sure sounds like its flat to me." North, South, East, West is the reference in the verse. "And that day the sun stood still? Well either we need new translators or ones with larger IQs because something is sure wrong here." So it didn't stand still? How do you know, or do you believe that? If you just believe that, according to nessie, "Believe is what you do when you DON'T know. The smart thing to do when you don't know is to find out for yourself." If you KNOW that, please explain. "If I jump 2 feet in air will I come down in same spot if the earth is really turning that fast?" To be honest I don't know what you're referencing here. "Anyway what is good enough for the Pope is still good enough for me. That guy must have a great sense of humor." I believe he's a bit confused. Although I don't know that, I guess I need to call the guy so I can "find out for myself." "My worst complaint is this - they say they are experiencing droughts and water shortages?" Who's "they?" "Water water everywhere and not a drop to drink; California and Florida are supposed to sink in the oceans and they say their is a water shortage. Oceans two inches deeper and those morons at North and South Pole mess with this OZONE to warm up Siberia." Reference first statement. "Well when they melt both polar caps will we still have a water shortage?" Good question. "How can they say we have a water shortage when Planet Earth is more water than land, and our bodies are more water than - well so much for these great questions. I will let the new Pope worry about this, and I sure hope they find one who is a chemist or an engineer who will hire a good translator to go over the Bible" Reference first statement. "So I wonder what happened to Kermit the Frog; surely Kermit needs water to survine." I think the pig ate him. "If thre is water shortage close the swimming pools for a starter and get rid of the Coors - they use a lot of good water to make that slop." I agree... "A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy" It's a Conspiracy. Jamie A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Galileo was not imprisoned because he stated the Earth revolved around the sun but because he originally agreed to place then, just before printing, removed a preface that asserted the Vatican's contrary, Ptolemaic position. Galileo and Pope Urban VIII were both conceited, arrogant megalomaniacs who clashed over it and, not surprisingly given Urban's stronger position, Galileo lost big. Only in hindsight does the pompous Galileo appear the martyr. Jamieson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Thank you June for clearly illustrating this distinction. Roam rulers are to blame, and the silliness is that anyone would think it was the Jews. There is an excellent article in Fortean Times about the persistence of myth in history (regarding the "Jews killed Christ" idea, and the Protocols, and the "wandering Jew") and its use as justification for heinous acts against the Jewish people as a whole. It is a good article. On Fri, 23 June 2000, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: From: "Nicky Molloy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is self explanatry as to the silliness of it. You should mean the Pharisees decided to get rid of Jesus and the Romans didn't stop them. Pontius Pilate washed his hands and the crowd said let Barabbas go - "Crucify Him". Crucifixion was solely the provence of the Roman State; the Pharisees did not have the legal right to crucify anyone. Crucifixion was only used for people convicted of high crimes and misdemeanors against the Roman State. Only a Roman official could decree crucifixion. The authorities of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem COULD condemn a 'heretic' to death, but the condemned was then stoned to death. To repeat: crucifixion was a manner of death reserved solely for the Roman political state, and only used for prisoners convicted of major crimes, including treason against the Roman state. A Jewish prophet claiming to be the Messiah would NOT have been crucified by the Roman state unless that man represented a major threat somehow to the Roman state. The Romans would never have crucified someone just because the Pharisees asked them to. If it was just a matter of the Pharisees wishing to kill Jesus, they could have easily condemned him in the Sanhedrin and then had him stoned to death. The fact that Jesus was crucified shows that the Romans considered him a significant threat to Rome. Can we now blame them for Jesus' death then? Romans according to you tenebroust are white Europeans. ROMANS are the same race as ITALIAN CATHOLICS in the Vatican. And yes, since it was the ROMANS who killed Jesus in a manner solely reserved by ROME for people convicted of high crimes against ROME, then yes, white Europeans are guilty for Jesus' death... But what does it matter? The whole "raison d'etre" for Jesus' manifestation in the flesh was so that He would ultimately be condemned to die a horrible death as a sacrifice to atone for our sins. So it doesn't matter WHO killed Him then, does it...since without being condemned to die as a sacrifice, His life would have been meaningless. In other words, God's plan did NOT call for Jesus living to a ripe old age and dying in His own bed of old age... Maybe I should sit on the fence and just comment on the posts that come by and tell people what the real truth is so they won't be deceived by reading them and thinking they are true. After all now I have 5 predators attacking my character. Not worth posting anything is it. Satisfied? You obviously had a mistaken notion of this list, if you thought it would be a forum where you could post your undocumented ramblings without discussion and debate. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a
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Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
Ver well reasoned and represented Nessie. Thanks, and might I say I concur. I would never attack a person, but will attack the information they use to support their arguments. Sometimes people cannot seperate their SELF from the information they use to support their beliefs and thus they feel "attacked" personally. There is nothing personal about it, and I, like you Nessie, wish to see people develop the skills and knowledge they possess for their own betterment as well as the betterment of us all (and certainly would be glad if others would do the same for me as well). On Fri, 23 June 2000, nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: After all now I have 5 predators attacking my character. That's a strong metaphor. I take it you have never been literally attacked by a literal predator. I have. Trust me, it's nothing at all like a metaphor. You need bandages later, and your clothes need laundered and/or replaced. I think what you're really trying to say here is that you have seen pixels arranged on a screen in a manner that displeases you. Get used to it. It comes with the address. Another possibility is that you are not being attacked. Perhaps what you are really getting is sound advice, not about your character, but about your cognitive processes. That's what I'm doing. I'm not attacking you, or your character. I'm criticizing certain flaws in your reasoning, and I'm doing it for your own good. I'm also criticizing certain aspects of your interpersonal relationships here. It's constructive criticism. I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm trying to help you make better use of your time and your brain, just because you are a fellow human being and helping each other is what best behooves us all. I can't speak for anybody else, only for myself. Maybe they're trying to hurt you. I dunno. This I do know. I couldn't hurt you even if I wanted to. I don't know where you live, I don't know what you look like, and I'm probably thousands of miles away. If pixels on a screen can hurt your feelings, then I humbly and constructively suggest that you rethink their role in your life. If that means altering some aspect of your "character," then by all means do it. Personally, I think that the really smart way to live is to continue to grow. When somebody correctly points out to how I was doing something really dumb and it was getting me hurt, I (1.) stop doing it and (2.) thank them. That's how I do it. Dumb people do it differently. It takes all kinds. But you're better off if you do it the way smart people do it than you are if you do it the way that dumb people do it. IMHO. But it's your life. It's your choice. Do it any way you want. You have the right to do it the dumb way if that's what you really want. You'll certainly have plenty of company. But if you get your feelings hurt because you didn't take my advice, don't come crying to me later 'cuz all you're gonna get is "I told you so." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
Re: [CTRL] The Real Conspiracy was Talmud Exposed
I disagree. "Eternity:Smoking or Non?" Would be the bigger issue here. This life is but a vapor. But we're not here to discuss that, so we can move on now. Jamie The Conspiracy in all this is the one that tries to prove the Bible "wrong"/incorrect. I disagree. The real conspiracy is to first get us arguing about this point in order to keep us distracted from the second part of the real conspiracy, which is to enslave us under a NWO. And by arguing about the veracity/falsity of the Bible, Talmud, Kabbalah, Tarot, Koran, Vedas, whatever, we are playing right into the hands of the conspirators. Tenorlove A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The CIA JFK UFOs James Jesus Angleton
This is a good article in that it provides some background on Angleton who is one of the most enigmatic characters ever in the intelligence community. On Fri, 23 June 2000, Kris Millegan wrote: from: http://www.nexusmagazine.com//angleton.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.nexusmagazine.com//angleton.html"CIA JFK UFOs James Jesus Angleton/A - The CIA, UFOs, MJ-12, JFK James Jesus Angleton As the CIA's Counterintelligence Chief, James Jesus Angleton had access to the Agency's most closely guarded secrets, including MJ-12 files on UFOs. Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 7, Number 4 (June-July 2000). PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 From our web page at: www.nexusmagazine.com © 2000 by Timothy S. Cooper PO Box 1206 Big Bear Lake, CA 92315 USA Telephone: +1 (909) 878 5929 James Jesus Angleton was born on December 9, 1917 in Boise, Idaho, to NCR businessman/OSS Colonel James Hugh Angleton and Mexican-born Carmen Mercedes Moreno. Upon graduation from Yale in 1941, Angleton moved to Harvard Law School where he met his future wife, Cicely d'Autremont, of Duluth, Minnesota. Inducted into the US Army on March 19, 1943, Angleton was recruited into the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) in August through the efforts of Angleton's father and Norman Pearson, his old English professor from Yale who at that time was head of the OSS Counterintelligence division in London.1 OSS COUNTERINTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS DURING WW II James Jesus Angleton was assigned the Rome desk after Italy's capitulation to the Allies, and was made an OSS Lieutenant who ran counterintelligence (CI) activities in such countries as Austria, Germany, Spain and Switzerland as well as the Mediterranean area. As part of OSS operations in the European theatre, Angleton mastered the arts of "black" propaganda and "playback" - that is, the method of reading the effectiveness of one's own disinformation on the enemy. In 1944, he was given charge of the OSS Special Counterintelligence Unit Z, made up of US and British agents, and was the youngest member of X-2 and the only American member allowed access to the top-secret British ULTRA code-breaking intelligence. After the war, Angleton was promoted to Captain and was awarded the Legion of Merit from the US Army which cited him for successfully apprehending over a thousand enemy intelligence agents. He was also decorated by the Italian Government and was awarded the Order of the Crown of Italy, the Order of Malta/Cross of Malta and the Italian War Cross for Merit. In October 1945, President Truman dissolved the OSS and had all research and analysis units moved to the State Department and operational units to the War Department, and redesignated it as the Strategic Services Unit (SSU). Angleton stayed on in the SSU in Rome and became the vital station chief in charge of the 2677 Regiment, which made Angleton the senior US intelligence officer in Italy until the SSU became the Central Intelligence Group (CIG) in 1946, forerunner of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).2 THE MAKING OF JAMES ANGLETON AS A MASTER SPY HUNTER Angleton's war experience in counterintelligence operations had affected him to the extent that he became absorbed into the "hall of mirrors" world of intelligence and refused to leave the service, despite much insistence and disappointment from his father. James would pour over the many CI files he had amassed while in Italy and was forever changed by the intrigue and the possibilities of a career in the CIG. In the summer of 1947, Angleton returned to the United States to live in Tucson, Arizona, to be with his wife and family, but his love for the service was overpowering. On December 30, 1947, he was hired by the CIA as a senior aide to the Director of the Office of Special Operations (OSO).3 It was during this period that Army G-2 and other intelligence agencies were trying to crack the Soviet Venona code, used by espionage agents operating in the United States to send back sensitive information regarding the Manhattan Project based at Los Alamos, New Mexico. It is possible that Angleton was on special assignment prior to officially reporting to the OSO, which had the responsibility of running counterespionage operations.4 Angleton's primary mission in the OSO included overseeing a classified component that operated espionage and counterespionage activities abroad, and reading all sensitive material coming across his desk and passing it to OSO operators in countries where the CIA had interests. In 1949, he moved up the chain of command within the OSO and held a GS-15 position. Angleton developed the philosophy, "If you control counterintelligence, you control the
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
Thank you Jamison - forgot my history there - but then history is written by those who claim the spoils. I thought it was funny though about 10 years ago, the Catholic Church and Pope still will not admit Galileo was right... Now in the bible the Sun or Son walks in the circuit of the heavens; yet I do wonder in the 1500 period, how they could have drawn maps on the world that were so accurate as to seem impossible. Even John Glenn when he was way up there said he was amazed, that the boundaries of the earth and land there upon, from maps were very, very accurate. On my mothr's side, most of her family were Greek and Latin Scholars - one helped revise bible and the little souvenier edition has all these maps, one showing St. Paul's line of journies, and it is amazing - today used as drug routes. Everything old is new again? Thanks again - but also that four corners of the earth bit -see now why a Jesuit spends often a lifetime attenpting to decipher one verse in the bible. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
What you mean a pig ate my frog and nobody informed me? Anyway, thanks for response to my letter - when you believe in something it makes it true I guess - maybe wishful thinking. If I had known my froggie had died I would have sent flowers; I hope you are wrong and Kermit found a save haven, on a beautiful lily pond - but a pig ate my froggie? You could have told me in a more sensitive manner for I am very - a pig ate my frog? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Can Clinton Keep the Balkans from Exploding Long Enough to Get Gore Elected?
=== The Committee for National Solidarity Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU Can Clinton Keep the Balkans from Exploding Long Enough to Get Gore Elected? KFOR NEVER Seems to Find Those who Kill and Maim Serbs By: Mary Mostert, Analyst, Original Sources (www.originalsources.com) June 23, 2000 Don't be surprised if you wake up one morning and hear that all-out war has broken out again in the Balkans. The situation there seems to be deteriorating rapidly. Yesterday I received five separate reports on the rising fragility of the "peace" of the area which gave me five separate pieces of the Balkan puzzle by those on or near the scene. The first report I received was the daily official KFOR Press Update, delivered from Pristina by Major Scott A. Slaten, KFOR Spokesman, which was entitled, "KFOR and UNMIK attacked in Mitrovica" It began: Yesterday afternoon, a protest in northern Mitrovica left two Serbs wounded and one International worker injured when angry Serb residents clashed with KFOR troops and UNMIK Police. The situation began to intensify around 11:45 a.m. when local Serbs began to throw stones at KFOR vehicles escorting a water truck that was driven by a Kosovo Albanian. Later, UNMIK Police attempted to arrest some of the people involved in the stoning. The crowd turned on the UNMIK Police Officers and a UNMIK Police vehicle was set on fire. KFOR Mechanized Battalion soldiers responded to the situation in order to assist the Police Officers and were forced to fire warning shots in the air. From that report one would assume that, for no reason whatever, a bunch of rowdy Serbs jumped armed KFOR soldiers, when they were peacefully escorting an innocent Albanian truck driver through the area where they were congregated.. Reading on, near the end of the press release was an apparent afterthought for KFOR which read: Just after midnight, KFOR Task Force Sauro soldiers reported they heard nine big explosions coming from an area between the KFOR checkpoint and the orthodox monastery. KFOR and UNMIK are currently investigating. In months of reading these reports, I've learned that when it says "KFOR and UNMIK are currently investigating" that is pretty much the end of the story. I don't remember ever reading an update that says, "Oh, and by the way, we found out who blew up an Orthodox church last night and we've arrested the Albanians who did it AND THEY ARE IN JAIL. No, indeedy. They NEVER seem to find the scoundrels that have been responsible for killing Serbs and other minorities, or who have blown up Churches or set fire to Serb homes. I wonder if KFOR ever actually look for them. Later in the morning I received an e-mail from Tika, who has a contact in Kosovska Mitrovica who told the same story, based on her firsthand report of the incident, as follows: "On June 21, 2000 at around 9:30AM, local time, a few stones were thrown on cars with Albanians, defiantly parading in the heart of the north, Serb section of Kosovska Mitrovica, escorted by KFOR. In minutes, a dozen of UNMIK police cars, manned by the American "peace officers", arrived on the scene at Anke Spajica Street. A bunch of them jumped off the vehicles and stormed the first group of the Serbs they saw. The target was a group of young men standing in front of a shop. With a threatening posture, the policemen approached the men and asked them to identify the perpetrators"( in stoning the Albanian vehicles). The men could not tell, since they did not see them. But, the US police pressed hard and tried to drag some of them into their vehicles. The other present Serbs rushed to defend the victim from the violent US barbarians, who then responded with the acclaimed brutality, euphemistically called in the US "a legal measure against those who resist arrest"- billy clubs. The scuffle developed into a street battle, when the U.S. police called in reinforcements. The end result, Tika's report said, was "twenty Serb civilians injured, two with gunshots, the rest severely beaten up, five with serious head injuries, many blinded with pepper spray, and other US made 'harmless' chemicals. The third report of the same incident was in www.serbia-info.com from Belgrade. It was not the lead story. The lead story, entitled "Mortar Attack on the Monastery of Decani," was all about that one sentence, off-hand, buried story from KFOR about "nine big explosions" which KFOR didn't seem much interested in. Serbia-info (at http://www.serbia-info.com/news/2000-06/22/19605.html) reported: Belgrade, June 22 (Tanjug) - At least six grenades fell on the property of the Monastery of Decani near the church, between midnight and 1.00 a.m., Serbian Orthodox Church Information Department stated today. The monks think this was an action carried out by ethnic Albanian extremists who are dissatisfied with the monastery's reaction to the illegal felling of trees and the abuse of the monastery property, as well as with the U.N. Mission decision.
[CTRL] Macedonia Destabilization Threat Causes Concern
=== The Committee for National Solidarity Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewGlobal.asp?Page=\Global\archive\GLO2621d.html Macedonia Destabilization Threat Causes Concern By Louis Economopoulos CNS Correspondent 21 June, 2000 Athens (CNSNews.com) - Ethnic Albanians from Albania and Kosovo are involved in attempts to infiltrate and destabilize the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), according to press reports from Skopje, the capital of the small Balkan country. Should the situation get out of hand, observers fear, it could lead to yet another open conflict in the powderkeg region still trying to recover from last year's Kosovo flare-up. A Greek member of the European Parliament, Yiannis Souladakis, told reporters here that the groups involved originated from Kosovo and were linked to the Kosovo Liberation Army. The KLA was ostensibly disbanded last September and reconstituted as the NATO-approved, purely civilian Kosovo Protection Corps. Souladakis said the infiltrators were "involved in drug-trafficking, illegal arms and women trade, while lately...attempting to acquire a political character." Souladakis appealed for stability, peace and security to be safeguarded in FYROM. Given the fact that administrative bodies in Kosovo were responsible for their actions to the European Union, Souladakis called for EU bodies to state the steps they intend to take to stop the destabilization attempts. FYROM, a poor landlocked country about the size of Vermont and with a population of just over two million, gained its independence from Yugoslavia in 1991 after the republic's break-up. One-fourth of its population is Albanian with virtually the rest made up of native Yugoslavs. It borders Greece, Kosovo, Albania and Bulgaria. FYROM was admitted to the UN in 1993 under its current, provisional name because of a dispute with Greece over the name Macedonia. The Greek newspaper Kathimerini reported last week that the 40-mile border between FYROM and Kosovo is riddled by smugglers who are tied to armed gangs fomenting rebellion among FYROM's ethnic Albanians. The newspaper said ethnic Albanians from both sides crisscross the border with large quantities of cigarettes, alcohol, guns and - frequently - women whom they force into prostitution. "The smugglers move without any hindrance, because on the side of Kosovo patrolled by the NATO-led KFOR, which is responsible for border security, they appear to see this duty as a chore while the Albanians of FYROM, who live in the border area, have enforced a de facto abolition of the border," the report said. Skopje newspapers have highlighted an alleged connection between organized smuggling rings and the political leadership of the ethnic Albanians of western FYROM, centered in the city of Tetovo. The repeated attacks on police targets in ethnic Albanian regions, culminating in the shooting of two border guards at Blace earlier this month, are attributed to the activities of Albanians who, beyond smuggling, are forming the nucleus of an armed movement in FYROM. The reports say armed groups are forming under the leadership of extremists from the KLA. No proof has been provided, according to the press reports, but the rumors are fuelled by reports by the FYROM secret service and statements by government officials who say such groups exist and are tied to the military-political leadership of Kosovo. Because of the number of incidents on the border, FYROM's chief of general staff, Jovan Andrevski, has given orders for more soldiers and equipment to be deployed there. In a recent interview with Kathimerini, FYROM Defense Minister Nikola Klusev said the dangers for his country come from Kosovo or the borders with Albania. "We cannot guarantee absolute border control, despite the fact that we have soldiers and mercenaries there. We need more control in the area, and we have discussed this with NATO as well as with the prime minister of Albania," he said. Klusev said military assistance now being received from the United States, Britain, Germany, France and Greece was important, but the needs were great. "During the Kosovo conflict, we did not take a penny from NATO. On the contrary, we had some soft replies in words that did not correspond to our needs. The economic aid we received recently from NATO is too little to pay even for construction of barracks or basic expenses such as water, telephone and electricity bills, let along military exercises," Klusev said. Name Controversy Meanwhile, FYROM and Greek officials at the United Nations have met in New York to further explore the question of the country's official name. The Skopje government wants the name Republic of Macedonia while the Greek side would want to secure the addition of the country's capital as part of its official name, Republic of
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
A personal comment. Having seen all the flurry about the Talmud I decided to go and try and read (some of) it myself. I can not claim to be a scholar of the Talmud...but I have a couple of comments. Firstly trying to make sense of the Talmud is like trying to understand the common theme of the ctrl list the people have common interests but a wide diversity of views...written over almost 600years and had many disagreements. Secondly Gentiles occupy only a small portion of the Talmud and mostly when they are mentioned it is peripheral. For instance I read a whole volume on when and how should the shema be said(hear o israel the lord your god is one god) can you say it in the toilet. what about when you are in bed..should you put a blanket between youself and your wife etc etc etc Also gentiles do receive compliments in some places in the talmud. But finally the negative image of gentiles that anti jewish tracts give are there and form the majority of comments on gentiles. The context is often idolatry and the need for separation for religious reasons(If you read suetonius you will understand that there was some basis for the negative comments) It is like psalm 137 got expanded(blessed are those who take a your (babylon's) babies and dashes them against rocks) psalm 137 was made (in)famous a few years back by boney m (still prefer don mccleans version though) There is and remains a stream in judaism that is very negative to gentiles in general and christians in particular( the balaam/minim passages may not have purely originated about christians but were certainly appled to chist and christians by the rabbis). But that is not all of judaism. I put two passages which are very close together to show the twoalternative streams within the talmud. John 10. Shemaiah and Abtalion3(c 30BC-10AD) received [the Law] from them. Shemaiah said: Love labour and hate mastery and seek not acquainted: with the ruling power. I I I. .Abtalion said: Ye Sages, give heed to your words lest ye incur the penalty of exile and ye be exiled to a place of evil waters, and the disciples that come after you drink [of them] and die, and the name of Heaven be profaned., 12. Hillel and Shammai received [the Law] from them. Hillel said: Be of the disciples' of ..Aaron, loving peace and pursuing peace, loving mankind and bringing them nigh to the Law. 13. He used to say: ,A name4 made great is a name destroyed, and he that increases not decreases, and he that learns not is worthy of death, and he that makes worldly use of the crown shall perish. 4. He used to say: If I am not for myself who is for me ? and being for mine own' self what am I ? and if not now, when ? 15. Shammai said: Make thy [study of the] Law a fixed habit; say little and do much, and receive all men with a cheerful countenance. --- ADOTH 1 === 2. I. Cattle may not be left in the inns of the gentiles since they are suspected of bestiality; nor may a woman remain alone with them since they are suspected of lewdness; nor may a man remain alone with them since they are suspected of shedding blood. The daughter of an Israelite may not assist a gentile woman in childbirth since7 she would be assisting to bring to birth a child for idolatry, but a gentile woman may assist the daughter of an Israelite. The daughter of an Israelite may not suckle the child of a gentile woman, but a gentile woman may suckle the child of the daughter of an Israelite in this one's domain. Page 438(Danby's Translation of The Mishnah Fouth Division~: NEZIKIN ABOAH ZARAH) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
There used to be a song The Camels (or was it Campbells) Are Coming - my Uncle who was high Mason had this beep stuff put on his Chryslerfor he loved to hear The Camels Are Coming.. Now Judges in the bible is a horrible book but then aren't they all in the Old Testment - murder of the sons of Saul, David harping away with music soothing souls of savage beasts and I wonder, why the Harp plays such a Role and on Irish Flags? The Harp That Played at Tara's Halls, the first Irish King was an O'Brien. The Irish however love sad songs and somehow, when I read this Song of Deborah in the Bible, this butcher - she probably today would have one of those big nail staplers - but boy she was deadlyand like Lizzie Bordon, did they write a song about her - did they right a song about Gideon and his 300..all from Judges, from Ehud assassinating Eglon saying he had a presen from God unto him? Read this portion of Judges, and then saywould you tell your kiddies nighty night songs about this? Now it would seem to me that this woman really nailed this guy - and frankly when you read Kings about people "pissing" on walls, well these were not exactly shall we say cultured people refined people- more like the animals you now see on TV with their rap music and murders.maybe the Old Testament was the old son, and the New Testament the new song but nobody will ever get those Morning Sars to sing together again.not in this next 1000 years unless they just plain burn the old Testament. Bible, King James. Judges, from The holy Bible, King James version Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Library Conditions of Use | The entire work (110 KB) | Table of Contents for this work | | All on-line databases | Etext Center Homepage | Judges, chapter 5 Compare with Revised Standard Version: Judg.05 1: Then sang Deborah and Barak the son of Abinoam on that day, saying, 2: Praise ye the LORD for the avenging of Israel, when the people willingly offered themselves. 3: Hear, O ye kings; give ear, O ye princes; I, even I, will sing unto the LORD; I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel. 4: LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, when thou marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water. 5: The mountains melted from before the LORD, even that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel. 6: In the days of Shamgar the son of Anath, in the days of Jael, the highways were unoccupied, and the travellers walked through byways. 7: The inhabitants of the villages ceased, they ceased in Israel, until that I Deborah arose, that I arose a mother in Israel. 8: They chose new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel? 9: My heart is toward the governors of Israel, that offered themselves willingly among the people. Bless ye the LORD. 10: Speak, ye that ride on white asses, ye that sit in judgment, and walk by the way. 11: They that are delivered from the noise of archers in the places of drawing water, there shall they rehearse the righteous acts of the LORD, even the righteous acts toward the inhabitants of his villages in Israel: then shall the people of the LORD go down to the gates. 12: Awake, awake, Deborah: awake, awake, utter a song: arise, Barak, and lead thy captivity captive, thou son of Abinoam. 13: Then he made him that remaineth have dominion over the nobles among the people: the LORD made me have dominion over the mighty. 14: Out of Ephraim was there a root of them against Amalek; after thee, Benjamin, among thy people; out of Machir came down governors, and out of Zebulun they that handle the pen of the writer. 15: And the princes of Issachar were with Deborah; even Issachar, and also Barak: he was sent on foot into the valley. For the divisions of Reuben there were great thoughts of heart. 16: Why abodest thou among the sheepfolds, to hear the bleatings of the flocks? For the divisions of Reuben there were great searchings of heart. 17: Gilead abode beyond Jordan: and why did Dan remain in ships? Asher continued on the sea shore, and abode in his breaches. 18: Zebulun and Naphtali were a people that jeoparded their lives unto the death in the high places of the field. 19: The kings came and fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money. 20: They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera. 21: The river of Kishon swept them away, that ancient river, the river Kishon. O my soul, thou hast trodden down strength. 22: Then were the horsehoofs broken by the means of the pransings, the pransings of their mighty ones. 23: Curse ye Meroz, said the angel of the LORD, curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof; because they came not to the help of the LORD, to the help of the LORD against the mighty. 24: Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the
[CTRL] Carol Hopkins' Insidious Justice Committee
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Alex Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Carol Hopkins' Insidious "Justice Committee" Date: Sunday, June 11, 2000 11:53 PM -- From: "karen Jones" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:38:28 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Carol Hopkins Update - thought you'd be interested This is an update on the present-day activities of Carol Hopkins who is now residing in Cuernavaca, Mexico. http://162.33.129.98/lamancha/Pool%20and%20Grounds.htm But first, here is the background on the conflicts of interest and unusual history of this individual and her associates. Carol Hopkins of the "Justice" Committee was a member of a Grand Jury in San Diego, California reviewing child protection matters during 1991-1992. These reports misreported on some cases and caused needless harm to some individuals within the system which the subsequent Grand Jury attempted to correct. In addition, the False Memory Syndrome Foundation [FMSF] was quoted in this particular Grand Jury Report (#8) which gave out misinformation on sexual molest dynamics, promoted the FMSF as a legitimate organization (four months after its inception) and included some of their unproven claims in their report, such as the existence of a "False Memory Syndrome," a syndrome that has never been proven. The creation of this "syndrome" has caused great concern for many legitimate scientist/researchers who believe FMS to be an artificially contrived term designed to relieve guilty parties of their responsibility. Everyone deserves to have a defense, but this particular defense is based on an unscientific non-experiment, promoted by Elizabeth Loftus of the FMSF which the media then exaggerated and distorted. This is explained here: http://users.owt.com/crook/memory/ The statements above have nothing to do with individual cases of false allegations and proving that in court, or individual cases that evidence false beliefs or unusual influence; my comments allude to this blanket pseudo- syndrome being used to deny and cover-up the fact that people are indeed victims of cults and sexual molestation. You can track these people indiscriminately using "false memory syndrome" on all cases even when perpetrators have confessed. And the fact that some people recant (and there are many reasons why one might) is not evidence of "false memory syndrome" either. It has also now come to light that Elizabeth Loftus, board member of the FMSF, colluded with Carol Hopkins in the writing of the 91-92 Grand Jury report in San Diego. Apparently Loftus also attended Hopkins' wedding 10 years ago, but they both were "unaware" that they knew each other until they met years later. This bizarre story was disclosed in a local newspaper, The San Diego Reader, dated August 20, 1998: "Carol Hopkins tells one final story about memory - a story mocking Dr. Elizabeth Loftus and herself. She first started calling Loftus when she was on the grand jury, asking her advice, reading her research, discussing cases"...[Hopkins describing Loftus's visit to her home during the Akiki case] "We get to the house, we drive up the driveway, and Beth becomes frozen. Literally frozen. Mark [Sauer] is talking and she says 'shh!' She gets out of the car, and Mark and I are looking at each other thinking, this is weird. We follow her into the house, she walks around the house, this goes on for ten minutes. Minimum ten minutes. She comes back and says, "I've been here before, I was at your wedding'. I said, "You couldn't have been at my wedding." She said," I was at your wedding. Get your wedding pictures."..."We pull the wedding pictures out - there's Beth Loftus. At my wedding ten years earlier. END QUOTE _ Of course, it took years for this information to come out. That a Grand Jury quotes the FMSF does not make their claims any more legitimate, especially when one traces the genesis of the 91-92 Grand Jury in San Diego, the obvious connections between these people, and the now very public tracking of the propaganda and carefully crafted deceit upon which their claims are based. Their methods preclude any belief that they are honestly interested in differential diagnosis or truthful outcomes. Child Protective Services does have many problems that people cannot possibly fathom without ever having inside knowledge concerning its operation and the legalities upon which this particular governmental organization is based. But the 91-92 Grand Jury in San Diego did not evidence an understanding of the system, and there was great concern that their misreporting on cases was being used to try to make it appear that the system was largely incompetent, instead of explaining the context of the cases and the risk factors that are assessed to gauge if a child needs to be protected -- and from whom. The 92-93 San Diego Grand Jury
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed/Lost Books of the Bible
In a message dated 6/23/00 9:27:14 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a book called The Lost Books of the Bible That book is a known fake. Do not believe everything you read. Is it really? I recently bought it myself and read through some parts, ie, that Jesus used his "powers" to harm other children who annoyed him when he was very young - he even killed one or two. One chapter says he formed birds from clay then made them fly - it was all quite bizarre to me. It didn't even have the quality of a well-written fairy tale. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OEN 6/23/00/Tauzin
In a message dated 6/23/00 9:33:15 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "I am deeply troubled by the breadth, scope, and advanced state of this undertaking. A project with links and tracking to proprietary websites and businesses has vast privacy implications with which Congress should be consulted. Also of concern is the methods and standards the ONDCP is using to secure personally identifiable information," Tauzin wrote. Tauzin also objected to our immoral acts in Yugoslavia - one of seemingly very few on the Hill who did. Go Tauzin! (Unfortunately, it appears from his reply to my letter about concerns about the Meth Proliferation Act, that he is in favor of it - but he said he'd take my 1st ammendment concerns over free speech into account.) Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
In a message dated 6/23/00 11:06:04 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Conspiracy is the one that convinces people to believe rather than to question. It enables the Conspirators to herd us like sheep. If "the Lord is my Shepard," what's that make me? Metaphor, nessie, metaphor.:-) Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
John, you may be the first person in this whole messy thread to actually RESEARCH the Talmud. I hope everyone will read your post very carefully. The Talmud is no more a master plan for world conquest than is the New Testament. It is a collection of very diverse commentaries by a large number of rabbis. It is the sort of work that reminds me of Gregory the Great's remark about Scripture, namely that it contains water deep enough for elephants to swim and shallow enough for lambs to wade. PLEASE, people, could we close this thread? You've said every conceivable thing about the Talmud five times over and are now wasting bandwidth. - Original Message - From: "J Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed A personal comment. Having seen all the flurry about the Talmud I decided to go and try and read (some of) it myself. I can not claim to be a scholar of the Talmud...but I have a couple of comments. snip A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Political assassination of american Peter McWilliams
From restore-L: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:16:43 -0400 From: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Restore [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Multiple recipients of, Friends" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Political Assassination of american Peter McWilliams Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have just sent this letter off to my representatives in the u.s. congress. Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Pat Toomey Member of Congress 2020 Hamilton St. Allentown, PA June 22, 2000 RE: Political assassination of american Peter McWilliams Dear Congressman Toomey; I am completely disgusted with the prohibition drug policy of the united states of america. I will not and I morally cannot support or condone this anti democratic civil war. The direct and intentional political assassination by the federal government of medical cannabis activist Peter McWilliams through the manipulated use of our federal judiciary is a horrific turn of events. In case you are ill-informed and don't know who McWilliams was I will direct you to the National Review online of June 20, 2000 which this week published an obituary about the man titled "A murder in California". It was more than murder. This was an intentional political assassination by u.s. federal authorities to silence an american political activist inside of america. McWilliams was a medical cannabis political activists and a well known best selling author. He was diagnosed with AIDS and cancer. Last week he died while awaiting federal sentencing for growing medicinal marijuana that was completely legal in his state of California. And for which he had a doctors prescription. McWilliams smoked cannabis to maintain his appetite and thus his strength while undergoing chemotherapy. And it helped him to control nausea in order to keep from puking up the other medicines he was taking to stay alive. When the Drug Enforcement Agency arrested him to stop him from speaking they took his computers. He was not silenced. They charged him with cultivation of medicine that was legal in his state. He didn't stop speaking. Their federal judge refused to allow McWilliams to cite the legal and democratic will of the people, California proposition 215 as his defense. They disallowed his greater good defense for medicinal cannabis use. Federal Judge George H. King and the u.s. prosecutors forced him into a plea agreement that stipulated that he take daily drug tests to assure that he did not use cannabis. He was forbidden even the use of legal marinal. Last week, while awaiting federal sentencing for legally growing medical cannabis, he choked to death on his own vomit, too weak to save himself. Judge King, who is not a medical doctor, had ordered him to not use the substance that even the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Science has said has these life saving beneficial effects. The federal government could not strip this man of the First Amendment any other way. To silence McWilliams and to terrorize into silence other medical cannabis activists the federal government of the united states of america assassinated Peter McWilliams. Peter McWilliams was willfully assassinated to deprive america of its First Amendment right to hear what he had to say. I have lost all trust, faith and confidence in the government of the united states of america. I will adamantly oppose any candidate for federal or state office who supports america's intolerant drug prohibition. this massive social engineering program is a complete waste. It is destroying constitutional government in the united states. It's proponents in the congress have even vetoed democracy in Washington, D.C. to force this longest of civil wars on us. One quarter trillion dollars since 1980 has been wasted on the prohibition and now the enforcers of this policy are committing assassination of americans in america to defend this policy. Prohibition did not work in 1930 and it is not working today. Not even God could enforce a prohibition against Adam and Eve yet this policy has given america the black eye of having the largest prison population in the western world. With no end in sight. This prohibition is not democratic. The 106st congress, (except you and some others I noticed), went so far as to veto and nullify democracy in our national capital, to uphold this intolerant policy. I left the Democratic Party over the drug prohibition issue. Now, I will start registering american voters and I will campaign for Ralph Nader who promises to end america's longest war, our second civil war, the drug prohibition. Pat Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. As a tribute to Peter McWilliams and as an expression of contempt of this government and the prohibition drug policy I will not capitalize the united states of america in any correspondence until this war is ended and all simple drug convictions in america are pardoned and expunged from the criminal records of america. cc/Sen. Specter, Sen. Santorum, President Clinton, The Los Angeles Times.
Re: [CTRL] The Real Conspiracy was Talmud Exposed
--- "Stopforth, Jamie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. "Eternity:Smoking or Non?" Would be the bigger issue here. This life is but a vapor. And a noxious one at that, sometimes. ROTFLMAO!!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
Now Judges in the bible is a horrible book but then aren't they all in the Old Testment I disagree, the Song of Solomon is among the most beautiful literary passages in history and the opening (perhaps not all) of Genesis is a magnificent intro with Psalms picking up the slack in an otherwise lengthy tome :) Jamieson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed/Lost Books of the Bible
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Samantha L. wrote: Is it really? I recently bought it myself and read through some parts, ie, that Jesus used his "powers" to harm other children who annoyed him when he was very young - he even killed one or two. One chapter says he formed birds from clay then made them fly - it was all quite bizarre to me. It didn't even have the quality of a well-written fairy tale. Samantha It's "quality" has been the reason these lost books are considered apocryphal by scholars. Jamieson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Who Hates America?
From http://www.antiwar.com/justin/pf/p-j062300.html }}Begin Behind the Headlines by Justin Raimondo Antiwar.com June 23, 2000 WHO HATES AMERICA? "Guess who hates America?" asks the headline. Answer: American conservatives, because they are beginning to question the wisdom of our overseas empire so says Lawrence F. Kaplan, the executive editor of The National Interest, the neoconservative equivalent of Foreign Affairs, in the current issue of The New Republic. The "declinists" of the Paul Kennedy school were wrong, he avers, because they were offering their prognosis "just as America's geopolitical rival was crumbling to dust and just before its principal economic competitor went into a tailspin. In the years since, the United States has enjoyed unprecedented economic growth, unrivaled military power, and the near-universal vindication of its national creed. Were foreign policy intellectuals held to the same standards of accountability as doctors and lawyers, a substantial slice of the commentariat would have been sued for malpractice or disbarred about the time the Soviet Union imploded." OUR DECLINISM, AND THEIRS But the declinist insight that what Paul Kennedy called "imperial overstretch" is draining our economy and leading to malinvestment of vital resources with serious consequences down the road is hardly disproved by the example of the Soviet Union. Indeed, the case against imperial overstretch is buttressed because that was so clearly the cause of the Kremlin's demise. Unless we want to follow the Soviet commissars down the path of historical obsolescence, US policy makers would do well to reexamine their most basic assumptions about America as "the indispensable nation," in the Clintonian version of imperial glory or the seeker after "benevolent world hegemony," as the neoconservatives put it. But the very definition of hubris, the urge to tempt Fate and defy the gods, implies a certain blindness to the consequences of one's actions, and Kaplan therefore finds it "odd" that "terms like 'imperial overstretch' and 'American exhaustion' have returned to favor." The new declinism is on the attack! Only this time it isn't mushy-headed liberals who had "ideological" reasons for opposing interventionism in the years before the cold war ended: now it is "ostensibly tough-minded foreign policy 'realists'" conservatives "who have somehow managed to locate in one of history's most lopsided victories the seeds of an even greater defeat." Gee, I couldn't have put it better myself: it wouldn't be the first time in human history that a glorious and supposedly permanent triumph turned out to be a Pyrrhic victory. But the mindless triumphalism of those who celebrate the rise of an American Empire makes one immune to irony as well as indifferent to history, or so it would seem. CONSPIRACY THEORY According to Kaplan, all those ignorant conservatives who opposed the Kosovo war and now challenge each and every "humanitarian" intervention that Congress is asked to rubberstamp are really the victims of a tiny group of intellectuals, "some so obscure that many of the conservative opinion makers who recycle declinist wisdom remain unaware of its origin." Who are these obscure intellectuals, who are handing down the party line from on high? Samuel Huntington, the prominent foreign policy theoretician is one, and Chalmers Johnson, author of Blowback, is another. But before we get to them, let's look at Kaplan's conspiracy theory, which assumes that ideas are planted by small "cadres" of elites, and that the rest of us ordinary folks robotically respond. EARTH CALLING KAPLAN Earth calling Kaplan: ordinary people, including grassroots conservative activists, don't need to be told by anyone that the cold war is over and it's time for the US to start scaling down the scope of its global military operations. They didn't need much of anyone to tell them that something is terribly wrong about a war in which we bombed some of the oldest cities in Europe in the name of "humanitarianism." Their natural reaction was shock, horror, and shame yes, shame that their country had committed acts of naked aggression, in violation of international law and all the laws of morality; shame that we fought a war to benefit the totalitarian thugs of the KLA, who are now trying for an encore. Does this mean they hate America? WHICH AMERICA? It depends on what you mean by "America." If we're talking about the American people themselves, then the answer is obviously no. But what America means to Kaplan is the American government i.e. not only the state apparatus, but in a broader sense the elites that rule over us ordinary folk, in the media, academia, and the higher reaches of the corporate world, as well as government officials. This, to him, is the real America, the only America that counts ordinary people don't have opinions, remember, except those they are programmed by intellectuals to accept and so, yes, given
[CTRL] Britland vs Kosovariacs
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ISSUE 1855
Friday 23 June 2000
Britain is ready to force out Kosovars
By Sandra Laville
Deadline that everybody is dreading
The family that wants to stay . . .
and the family that wishes it had
Coastal village faces invasion threat again
HUNDREDS of Kosovars who fled to Britain during Nato's war with Serbia and have
refused to return are to be repatriated - by force if necessary.
Of the 4,500 invited to Britain at the height of the bombing campaign last
year, 2,349 are still here. The deadline for them to leave is Sunday. Of those
remaining, 1,932 have applied for asylum, on the grounds that they fear
political persecution in their homeland, or exceptional leave to remain on
humanitarian grounds. Another 417 have yet to declare their intentions and face
expulsion.
Jack Straw, the Home Secretary, has not explained how they would be deported
but has said: "Enforcement action will be taken in due course against those who
are unwilling to go back voluntarily." Thousands of Kosovars have been deported
by Switzerland, Germany and Australia. Many had to be handcuffed, moved to
detention centres, flown to Pristina on commercial flights and left at the
airport.
By last week, almost 150,000 of those who fled their homes last year were still
living abroad. Host countries are pressing them to go home now that the
conflict is over. Mr Straw is also hoping to repatriate many of the estimated
25,000 Kosovar Albanians who fled ethnic cleansing before Nato began air raids
last April.
Ministers argue that those who arrived under the UN evacuation programme did so
in the knowledge that their stay would be temporary. Britain took in some 4,500
of the most vulnerable men, women and children fleeing the bombing and the
ethnic cleansing by Serbs. Each was given a year's refuge. They were spread
throughout Britain. The majority went to the north and London.
Flights have been arranged for those who wish to return and who registered for
repatriation by June 10. Those returning are given £400 a family, recently increased
from £250, to help them to set themselves up again. The g
rants run out on Sunday. The Home Office said any who had not claimed asylum or
sought legally to remain would be classed as "overstayers" from Monday and
liable to deportation.
Despite public anxiety about asylum, the Government is unlikely to order an
immediate mass deportation. Instead, all the cases will be handed to the
Immigration Service's enforcement directorate, which will decide how to
proceed. It could order some to be detained if it is feared they may disappear.
Overstayers who are not allowed to remain have a right of appeal before
removal, though this will not be possible from October under new asylum rules.
Ministers say that since Kosovo has been made safe, there is no threat of
persecution that would justify political asylum and the cases of those claiming
refugee status are undermined by those who have gone home.
Barbara Roche, immigration minister, told MPs that enforced removals would be
carried out if necessary. However, a cross-party group of MPs which recently
visited Kosovo has argued that sending large numbers back would be "damaging
and counter-productive".
The MPs, Sir Peter Lloyd, Tory, Fareham, Simon Hughes, Liberal Democrat home
affairs spokesman, and Neil Gerrard, Labour, Walthamstow, support the UN High
Commissioner for Refugees view: there is "overwhelming evidence" that large-
scale returns would be "destabilising. It is quite clear, if vulnerable people
are sent back, the current structures cannot support them".
Pamela Coulson, the operations manager for the British Refugee Council, in
Leeds, said that only about one in 10 applications from her region for
exceptional leave to remain had succeeded. The council is making
representations to the Home Secretary to prevent forced repatriation.
11 June 2000: Home Office: we have lost 2,500 Kosovars
18 April 2000: Straw to send 3,000 Kosovo refugees home
26 March 2000: 3,000 Kosovars to seek asylum
11 July 1999: Kosovars set to fly home
23 June 1999: Britain lays plans for repatriation of Kosovars
26 April 1999: [International] Smiles and tears as first refugees fly into
Britain
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[CTRL] Sons of the Middle Border
From NEWSMAX.COM http://www.newsmax.com/commentmax/articles/Diane_Alden.shtml }}Begin CommentMax Sons of the Middle Border: Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton Diane Alden June 20, 2000 I don't usually watch PBS, but it was showing an excellent biography on Ronald Reagan. This one included observations by everyone from his rebellious daughter, Patty, to his more serious daughter, Maureen, and of course Nancy and Ron Jr. Members of his cabinet, advisers and old acquaintances gave testimony as to what made up the man known to friends as "Dutch." From his days in Illinois and Hollywood to his presidency and subsequent failing health, Ronald Wilson Reagan was a complex and almost unknowable man. Given PBS's usual proclivity for trashing conservatives or making their life hell, the series, narrated by historian David McCullough, was a pleasant surprise. The first part, titled "The Lifeguard," refers to what Reagan believed to be among his better days. The segment dealt with his experience as a lifeguard on the Rock River in Illinois. As a young man Ronald Reagan was responsible for saving 77 people from drowning. According to his family and his biographers, even with the ravages of devastating Alzheimer's disease, his time as a lifeguard is the one he recalled most fondly. Reagan grew up the son of a doting religious mother and a self-absorbed alcoholic father. The family traveled from place to place as his father attempted to find himself. When the Reagans finally settled down in Dixon, Ill., Ronald Reagan had become a self-contained rather introverted bookish child. His erratic upbringing affected his later life, and he always had difficulty making close friends. With the exception of his wife, Nancy, a life pattern had been set wherein Reagan became his own best friend. Life experiences colored his thinking, and the lessons he learned from them sometimes led to drastic reverses in his belief system. During his Hollywood days the transition from liberal Democrat to a rock-solid conservative Republican was a result of hard-won lessons he absorbed as president of the Screen Actors Guild. Iin the '40s and '50s Ronald Reagan had to learn to deal with the socialist and communist ideological drift of some of Hollywood's writers, actors and directors. Especially troublesome to him and others was the fact that the Communist Party in Hollywood used intimidation and peer pressure and made life difficult for those who would not comply. Reagan realized that many actors and actresses belonged to these organizations out of naivete, but he was worried about the message and pro-communist attitudes that were being slipped into movies. The film colony was deeply sympathetic to the Russian version of communism, and films and attitudes often showed that sympathy. Additionally, actors and actresses who refused to go along were blacklisted by the left. People such as Barbara Stanwyck and Bette Davis were hardly right- wing types, but they were angry at the pressure being put on them to join the party, so they appealed to Reagan. Unfortunately, in later years an ungrateful Bette Davis made snide remarks about the man who had tried to address her complaints. For his trouble Reagan was subjected to the anarchy and violence against those who dared to defy the party line of the Hollywood left. This side of the story is rarely heard when the current Hollywood left gets on its high horse. The brilliant director and left-leaning Elia Kazan gave testimony against the communists and socialists who had pressured him to bend his work to accomodate their propanada. He refused and terribly resented their blackmail. To this day Elia Kazan and his work, such as the luminescent "On the Waterfront," were nearly excluded from a lifetime achievment award. The Hollywood left still holds a grudge. This intolerant attitude is what bothered Reagan. The Hollywood left's blind tolerance of communist atrocities under Stalin was doubly horrific. Reagan hated that his contemporaries could ignore and tolerate the evil and anti-human nature of the communist belief system.Till the end of his film career he could never understand it. As governor of California Reagan was faced with some of the very same Communist agitators he had to deal with in the '40s and '50s. During 1960s and the days of student protest at Berkeley, Reagan called in the National Guard to restore order during some of the more violent demonstrations.. He felt that those who wanted to go to college to get an education should be allowed to do so without ideologues and protesters stopping them. The left never forgave him for his strong stands. For the rest of his days he was mocked and vilified in the press and by the leftist elites. Additionally, the left never forgave him for asking that students pay tuition at California colleges and universities.. He had proposed no more free ride for those who did not seem to have a clue about the value of an education. Almost every other state in the
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #4
SkeptiNews 000623d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question * Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/22_06_2000.html * Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. * PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh? * Site of latest notices, praises, discoveries: http://skeptilog.pitas.com * No Tasmanians were asexually abused during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ MARS - VENUS - BIG BANG - KOHOUTEK: http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Dr. Frank Stranges Reveals U. S. Government Has Had an Alien as a Guest for 3 Years. The mysterious visitor had no fingerprints, could read minds, met a President: http://news.excite.com/news/pr/000619/dc-flyingsaucers # FEW REMEMBER THE LOS ANGELES AIR RAID OF WORLD WAR II - UFOs and another Government Cover-Up: http://www.alienzoo.com/features/m/26220001.cfm # WacoTrial: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2567579795-c71 @ PsychicSpy.Com -The REAL X-Files: http://seasurf.com/~radioman/index.html # PROPHECY AND PLANETARY CHANGE - PART ONE: Fossil Fuels -Atmospheric and Crustal Displacement: http://www.alienzoo.com/features/w/2621.cfm # COMMUNIST FILMS: Ever notice that are virtually no American films about communism? Holy War: http://www.reasonmag.com/0006/fe.kb.hollywoods.html @ Meta-HyperText: http://www.spark-online.com/june00/media/giovanetto.html : Have you suppressed much information lately?Is it too sensitive for public release? Will the people rise up in wrath/fear/joy/perplexity/lust if your info was publicized? How much alien/commie/church activity have you quashed? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Martian Water Comes in Explosive Bursts - water on Mars surface not found in bubbling springs or babbling brooks, but in explosive bursts of mud and cold steam: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000622/19/science-mars-water-dc # MALIN 'DISCOVERS' WATER ON MARS - 20 YEARS TOO LATE WHILE IGNORING THE 'GOOD STUFF' - tsk tsk: http://www.enterprisemission.com/plumbing.htm # Mars Lake Discovered A Year Ago! http://cyberspaceorbit.com/steadlake.html # Warm, Wet, Salty Martian: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?10014159 # SUDDENLY RESCHEDULED NASA 'MARS WATER ANNOUNCEMENT' STILL FAITHFUL TO 'ANCIENT EGYPTIAN RITUALS' http://64.62.15.181/images/water.jpg @ MARS ANOMALIES: http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/mars_anomalies.html # LATEST ANOMALOUS MARTIAN FIND - PARKED OVAL SHAPED SPACESHIP? http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/mars_anomalies.html#spaceship # THE PHOBOS II INCIDENT: HOSTILE ALIENS BASED ON MARS: http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/space.html#phobosII : What's your favorite Martian discovery? Are all these Martian discoveries real? Do they distract us from the real discoveries, the finds that are kept secret? What filthy ancient occult rituals are involved? Who/what worships? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Earliest feathers fan controversy. (BBC) An ancient creature with what appear to be feathers re-ignites the debate about the evolution of birds and their connection with dinosaurs. Everything we know is wrong again. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_802000/802009.stm # And http://www.discovery.com/news/briefs/2622/fs_feathers.html # Wings for speed - jumping off cliffs doesn't achieve take-off: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_336000/336192.stm # Turbocharged dinosaur - can you run fast enough to escape? Really?? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_259000/259902.stm # Tasman home to ancient life. Hundreds of new species, some dating back to the age of dinosaurs, have been found living on extinct undersea volcanoes in the Tasman Sea. http://onenews.nzoom.com/world/2000/06/22/00027522.htm : Have you found/hidden/lost any ancient creatures lately? Have you stashed evidence away in dusty vaults for decades? Is more evidence hidden in/on old underwater volcanoes? Where's the best place to hide evolutionary evidence? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Egyptian Worker Tombs Copied Pharaohs' -- Two mini-replicas of the great pyramids of Giza have been unearthed south of the Sphinx, at the eastern foot of the 3 great pyramids. Containing bodies of workers who built the pyramids their supervisors,the limestone tombs may reshape our knowledge of the funerary traditions in ancient Egypt. "Now we can say that pyramid- shaped tombs were not a privilege reserved to kings and nobility. Ordinary people were also allowed to use the pyramid design to construct their own tombs." http://www.discovery.com/news/briefs/2623/hi_pyramids.html @ During their brief reign, Akhenaten and Nefertiti were the John and Jackie Kennedy of the ancient world: http://linguafranca.com/br/0004/osborne.html @ Pyramid Quest: http://www.discovery.com/exp/pyramidquest/pyramidquest.html @ Tomb Tales: http://www.discovery.com/news/features/mummy/mummy.html
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
My brother in law, old military family dating back over 200 years, had great-grandfather who was Skull and Bones - much maligned on this list are these fellows. On my mother's side we had a fellow up there too - and often in old days anyway, when someone like my brother in law married, the enitire family was checked out as I was even though I was still in high school. The general idea was not to indict an entire family or church or anybody for the acts or reputation of one. I have always tolerated these stories and even Masons - they are all rings and things - some good and some corrupt and come in many differen countries and under different flags sometimes friendly and sometimes hostile. But after all this I only know for a fact, that this bible, this judeo christian bible, is being used by a force of evil so powerful only because they have had the privilege to operate in secrecy and the fulfill prophecies in the bible too. Genocide one of their more infamous acts of murdercencus - an as j. Edgar said - Russians insist they have fulfilled all the prophesies in the bible - but these rotten communists have not for they are back, to fulfill some more - they start the 60 period all over. Why do you think Jung and Sigmund Freud spent so much time deciphering the dreams in the bible the basis of psychology and the control the words of the bible had over the people? Today we have another bible - it is the newspapers, and it is the newsmediano more Shakespeares to write plays showing a king or queen murdered - they had one movie showing our White House blown up and this is all on monkey see monkey do - even the Old Man in he Mountain, Hassan used drugs to induce his followers to murder for him.jump, he would say and ike the Fool in the Tarot Card he jumped to his death for he wanted to return to paradise, a place created by the Old Man with drugs and a garden, and just plain whores for the boysand under the influence of these drugs, oh boy - take me to paradise again. The killer on the third cross told Jesus, remember mehe promised to take this man, to paradisethe write songs about paradise and remembr me - always remember me, for this was a promise made once over 2,000 years ago. I detest religion today for the Assassins have taken control over the Church or the Church always consisted of assassins and I think the latr appliedeven St. Paul was accused of being a member of the Assassins for a snake wrapped itself about his wrist...art thou that egyptian rose.. Well guns and roses and murder for hire, and drugs.welcome to the New World Order. What Shakespeare did with his pen, he TV does with a picture worth a thousand wordsmovies so vile and obscene not fit for decent people bt ths is to control our children who now as a dim wit psychologist woud say, act ot i school. Take good look at Littleton and remember Klebold who said it is Judgement Day and they called him a neo nazi? I call the news media neo nazis for it is their evil under government control and council of churches and UN control, that is behind the desruction of Amrica and they intend to murder the white race in particular and make a more gullible land of sheepas jews would say, a nation of goyim? Screw them all...get that bible and find out who really wrote it and whyeven Marx knew it was sheer opium and mind control. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 527 Committees
SADDAM HUSSEIN, SICILIAN MAFIA: CAMPAIGN DONORS? '527s' Give them a way into American election campaigns. Larry Makinson is executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, a non-partisan, non-profit campaign finance watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Editor's Note: In the face of escalating public outrage over the use of so-called "527 committees" to avoid federal campaign finance laws, the House of Representatives is reluctantly considering legislation to require these committes to disclose their donors and expenditures. The Senate already has passed such a bill. The following is the statement of Larry Makinson, Executive Director of the Center for Responsive Politics, made on June 20, 2000 to the Subcommittee on Oversight of the House Committee on Ways and Means, which took testimony that day on the disclosure of political activities of tax-exempt organizations. Mr. Chairman, and members of the committee, my name is Larry Makinson. I am executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, a non-partisan non-profit research organization that monitors and analyzes campaign contributions in federal elections. I appreciate the opportunity to address the committee today, and I'd like to address my remarks particularly to those organizations operating under section 527 of the Internal Revenue code. A little background first. The Center for Responsive Politics was founded in 1983 by two U.S. Senators -- Hugh Scott, Republican of Pennsylvania, and Frank Church, Democrat of Idaho. It was founded with the idea of looking at Congress and finding ways to make it more responsive to the public. As part of that mandate, the Center first examined the relationship between money and politics quite early in its history. Our first report on the subject reviewed contribution patterns in the 1984 presidential elections. Since 1989, and proceeding right up to the present, we have systematically monitored all itemized contributions to federal candidates and parties, both from PACs [political action committees] and from individuals. We break them down by industry and interest group, and we publish our findings so that anyone can see them. We used to do this in a 1,300 page book called "Open Secrets" and published by Congressional Quarterly. Nowadays we publish it solely on the Web, on our opensecrets.org website. Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, your contributions -- contributions to your reelection committees -- are an open book. As you well know, all contributions over $200 have to be itemized and reported to the Federal Election Commission. The FEC both gathers and reports that information, and any interested citizen can now look it up on the Internet. Using that information, we at the Center compile, and publish on the Web, full campaign finance profiles for every member of Congress, all candidates for Congress, and the leading contenders for President. What we have on each one of you... Here's what we have on each one of you -- and all your opponents in the 2000 elections, as well. A summary of how much money you've taken in this election cycle, how much you've spent, how much cash you have left in the bank, and how much of your money has come from PACs versus individuals, versus money from your own pocket. We also break down the contributions geographically. Anyone can look up your profile and find out how much of your money was collected in-state versus out-of-state. They can look up the five biggest metro areas contributing to your campaign, as well as your top 10 zip codes. They can also get a breakdown of your contributions by industry and interest group. We do this both in a broad sense, through a chart that divides all your contributions into one of 13 broad sectors -- such as Health or Transportation -- and on a more detailed level by looking at the top 20 industries and interest groups giving to your campaign. This would show how much you got from, say, securities firms, insurance companies, public employee unions, or airlines. They can also see your leading contributors, standardized and grouped by organization. We even monitor how good a job each candidate does in fully identifying the occupation and employers of their donors, as required by federal law. That's disclosure. With that information, any citizen who wants to find out who's paying for your election can do so, easily and quickly. Contrast that level of disclosure with the information available today on so-called "527 organizations" -- groups like "Republicans for Clean Air," which spent an estimated $2.5 million on negative ads in New York, Ohio and California in the days leading to Super Tuesday, ads that helped bring to an end the presidential campaign of John McCain. When those ads first came out, nobody knew who "Republicans for Clean Air" was. In fact as later came out, there was no organization. There was only a Texas billionaire named Sam Wyly, and his brother. And if Wyly hadn't stood up and said it was
[CTRL] THE LOS ALAMOS STORY IS BURNING
Vol. 6, No. 1360 - The American Reporter - June 23, 2000 Media Beat: THE LOS ALAMOS STORY IS BURNING by Norman Solomon American Reporter Correspondent Washington, D.C. WASHINGTON -- It's media spin in overdrive: Major security breaches have jeopardized the vital work going on at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, where scientists toil to protect America. But after many years of monitoring key weapons policies, Jacqueline Cabasso dismisses the uproar as "a sideshow." Cabasso, executive director of the Western States Legal Foundation, is a perceptive expert on nuclear arms issues. Her views don't come near the conventional media wisdom. "The real scandal," she told me, "is that while the media focuses attention on a couple of lost and found hard drives, the U.S. weapons labs -- Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore and Sandia -- are spending billions of taxpayer dollars busily developing new and improved nuclear weapons, almost completely shielded from public scrutiny or even awareness. Moreover, the U.S. is continuing to brandish these weapons on a daily basis." Meanwhile, as far as most journalists are concerned, the purposes of America's weapons laboratories are sacrosanct. The professional thing to do is to echo the assumptions of politicians like Florida Republican Porter Goss, chair of the House Intelligence Committee, who likes to describe Los Alamos as a bastion of "creativity." In a recent interview on CNN, Goss extolled the lab's mission of "creating the innovation, the creativity, the breakthrough that you need to develop these kinds of weapons and have this kind of progress." For several decades, a macabre form of creativity has flourished at the Los Alamos and Sandia labs in New Mexico and at Lawrence Livermore in California. The default position of media coverage is that these are fine institutions; the alarm is about dysfunction, not function. So, from coast to coast, news outlets marked the summer solstice with an outpouring of fiery complaints about Los Alamos -- without the slightest questioning of its mission. "Management there remains shockingly lackadaisical," fumed a New York Times editorial. "Tighter oversight cannot come soon enough." With such fixations on secrecy, there is virtually no light shed on the fact that America's massive nuclear weapons program is devoted to being able to incinerate the planet. (Only if duty calls, of course.) Behind the countless news reports about Los Alamos is a prolonged infatuation with notions of protective secrecy. Long ago, Albert Einstein saw the folly. On April 30, 1947, he wrote of atomic weapons: "For there is no secret and there is no defense; there is no possibility of control except through the aroused understanding and insistence of the peoples of the world." But the usual news accounts and commentaries, amplifying the voices of policymakers in Washington, refuse to ask why the United States continues to design, test and deploy nuclear weapons. In the universe of mainstream media, Einstein's observations are upside down: We keep hearing that there is a secret and there is a defense. This posture allows the U.S. government to go unquestioned by citizens, while nuclear design labs stay busy. Their creations -- if used as intended -- will destroy millions or billions of human lives. That's an odd concept of creativity. To Cabasso, the media preoccupations are ludicrous. "While the absurd question of who took the hard drives, and why, dominates the national news," she says, "Armageddon is still just the push of a button away. Today, U.S. Trident submarines are quietly patrolling the world's oceans at the same rate as the height of the Cold War, armed with thousands of the deadliest weapons ever conceived, on hair-trigger alert." As an opponent of nuclear proliferation and an advocate of nuclear disarmament, Cabasso sees enormous danger in the status quo: "While the U.S. relentlessly relies on nuclear weapons as the 'cornerstone' of its national security -- and the currency of global domination -- it goes to extraordinary lengths to demand that other nations forego this option. This unsustainable 'do as we say, not as we do' nuclear policy is the real threat to our national security." Considering what's at stake, the narrow range of media discourse about nuclear weapons is outrageous. Forget the hard drives. The most serious problem at the Los Alamos laboratory is its function. "In the interests of our human security," Jacqueline Cabasso points out, "a comprehensive, open, publicly accessible national debate on nuclear weapons and national security is desperately needed and long overdue." Interested in the anti-nuclear debate? See http://www.abolition2000.org Norman Solomon is a syndicated columnist. His latest book is "The Habits of Highly Deceptive Media." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are
[CTRL] U.S. government admits Net privacy breach
From: http://technews.netscape.com/news/0-1005-200-2123118.html?tag=st.ne.1005.thed.ni U.S. government admits Net privacy breach By Reuters Special to CNET News.com June 21, 2000, 3:45 p.m. PT WASHINGTON--The White House today acknowledged that its own anti-drug office's Web site may have been collecting personal data about visitors, a violation of federal policy. The disclosure came less than six hours after the White House endorsed an Internet industry initiative aimed at boosting online privacy through design changes to Web sites and browsing software. "Today, White House officials learned for the first time from the Office of National Drug Control Policy about certain practices by ONDCP contractors that could result in the collection of information about consumers and their Internet use," press secretary Joe Lockhart said in a statement. At issue is the use of "cookies," small bits of software placed on the hard drives of Internet users to determine, among other things, which online advertisements are seen by them. Cookies can also be used to collect personal data about Web surfers. "We will take all steps necessary to halt these practices now," Lockhart said. "Specifically, ONDCP will halt the use of cookies on its behalf." Lockhart said the anti-drug office had never "requested or received any personally identifiable information based on the use of cookies." ONDCP has directed its contractors to destroy any data held by contractors and gathered through the use of cookies, he said. Federal policy states that the White House and agency Web sites must have clearly posted privacy policies, and we will comply with those policies, Lockhart added. "In addition, we are committed to making sure that contractors of federal sites fully and completely meet those same standards." Earlier in the day, Lockhart announced the White House's home page would be among the first demonstrating a new privacy standard, P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences), along with that of the Commerce Department and 35 or so other pioneer sites. Story Copyright © 2000 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Buddhist temple to pay penalties in Gore case
Buddhist temple to pay penalties in Gore case By Larry B. Stammer LOS ANGELES TIMES A Buddhist temple involved in a controversial political fund-raiser four years ago featuring Vice President Gore has agreed to pay federal tax penalties as a result of an IRS investigation. The Hsi Lai Temple of Hacienda Heights, Calif., east of Los Angeles, said it had agreed to pay an undisclosed "excise tax" on all political expenditures. It did not say when the IRS investigation began. The temple also said it had agreed to restore any political expenditures to its own accounts, and promised not to engage in political fund-raisers. While Gore was not involved in any illegalities, he was present at the April 1996 fund-raiser, a fact that has become an issue in his presidential campaign. The temple luncheon and a follow-up solicitation netted more than $100,000 for the Clinton-Gore campaign. Virtually all of it was returned when its legality was questioned. The IRS's Los Angeles office said it could not confirm or deny the report. IRS spokesman Keith Kimball would not comment on the specific case, but he said that generally, the agency levies a 10 percent excise tax when a nonprofit organization is found to have made improper political contributions. In addition, the manager of the nonprofit who knew of the improper fund-raising would have to pay an additional 21/2 percent excise tax. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OT: Salon.com Typifies Demise of `Content' IPOs
[This is a fascinating and extremely insightful look at the financial disaster the Dotcoms really are. --MS] Also, another good article is the Dotcom Graveyard at: http://www.upside.com/Ebiz/392ec4c10.html Salon.com Typifies Demise of `Content' IPOs: By Christopher Byron Weston, Connecticut, June 20 (Bloomberg) -- When the history of the great dot-com investment bubble of 1996-2000 is finally written, surely a few select comments will be heard from some quarter or other regarding the role that Wall Street has played in this game. It's called How to Fleece the Public and Get Away With It. This week we'll drop by for one of our characteristically unwelcome visits with one of the more vivid -- and easily grasped -- examples of that fleecing: The initial public offering of Salon.com Inc., the San Francisco-based Webzine. This desperately struggling company perfectly encapsulates the failed promise and doubtful future of an entire generation of IPOs in the dot-com ``content'' space. These are companies that never should have been taken public in the first place but were dumped on the public anyway. The senseless business theory that lured in the gullible: That advertising alone could support ``content'' marketing on the Web -- this when, in many cases, the advertising and marketing costs of the content companies themselves were greater than the total advertising revenue collected from others. Worst of all, it was the IPO proceeds from one company that became the ad revenue of the next company -- a kind of Wall Street financed merry-go-round in which dot-com startups became little more than a capital transfer mechanism from Wall Street to Madison Avenue. It was all dependent in the end on the continuing flow of funds from the new issue market -- a flow that was destined to end sooner or later, and now has done just that. Role of Underwriters The bad guys in this tale? Fee-obsessed underwriters who couldn't say no to seven- and eight-digit commissions, and thereupon set the merry-go-round whirling to create a market for deals that had crash and burn tattooed all over them. The stupidos they preyed upon? Anyone who failed to read -- and heed -- the exculpatory warnings that came emblazoned across every prospectus: Caution, this deal is going to blow up in your face. In case you might not be familiar with it, Salon.com is one of the best, most imaginatively written ``magazines'' on the Web. It routinely publishes such writers as Camille Paglia, my colleague Joe Conason, Garrison Keillor, and many others. The trouble is -- this editorially excellent content site for culture and political commentary hasn't been able to make a dime of profit from Day One, and it's hard to see how it ever will. The operation's costs are too high, its revenue is too low, and demand for what it offers the public is simply too limited. Anyone could have seen these limitations from the moment Salon.com began in business -- which is why I wrote over a year ago that the company's finances were unworkable and that investing in the business would be no different from simply throwing one's money away. Glory Days But common sense -- and simple arithmetic -- didn't stop Salon.com's underwriter, W.R. Hambrecht Co. -- from taking the company public in a much-watched IPO, exactly one year ago tomorrow, on June 22, 1999, at $10.50 a share. For a brief and glorious moment a few days later, Salon.com touched an intraday high of $15.12, giving Salon.com a market value of $162 million, as all involved congratulated each other on their collective financial genius ... while leaving for another day the annoying problem of what to do when the $24.9 million in IPO proceeds ran out. And now, almost 12 months later? Well, a lot has happened. All of it was inevitable and easily foreseen, and for Salon.com it all spells disaster. For starters, the entire dot-com sector has crashed and shows no signs of reviving. Meanwhile, the IPO window has slammed shut, and venture capital fund managers have taken their phones off the hook and gone to work in the garden (or maybe to hang themselves). And in the middle of all this, the folks at Salon.com look to be running out of money. Falling Down In the process, the company's stock has plunged to as low as $1.25 Friday -- a decline of 92 percent from its high, and down 88 percent from its offering price. As of Monday, with its stock trading around $1.30 a share, Salon.com had a value of about $15 million, meaning that the company now faces the threat of de- listing from the Nasdaq National Market for failure to meet minimum tangible assets, net revenue, and market cap standards. The way things are going, the company may soon not even qualify for a Nasdaq SmallCap listing and could wind up being bounced to the OTC Bulletin Board market. So it's not surprising that, in a desperate bid to stay in business, Salon.com announced on June 7 that it was firing 9 percent of its staff, while
[CTRL] STATEMENT OF BILLY DALE CONCERNING TRAVELGATE
STATEMENT OF BILLY DALE CONCERNING TRAVELGATE (Washington, DC) Today, Billy Dale, Judicial Watch client and former head of The White House Travel Office, issued the following statement concerning the decision of Independent Counsel Robert Ray to close his Travelgate investigation without prosecution: "I am deeply disappointed, but hardly surprised, at the decision by the Office of Independent Counsel to close its investigation without prosecutions. Ever since I was first falsely accused of improper financial practices by Hillary Rodham Clinton and others in and around the Clinton-Gore White House, I have sadly experienced a near total breakdown of our justice system. While I was acquitted in record time of charges filed against me by the Clinton-Gore Justice Department, not one person in the current administration ever even apologized. Nor did they lift a hand to try to help me repair the damage done to my life. It therefore comes as no surprise that the Office of Independent Counsel, in the face of possible retaliation itself by the Clinton-Gore Administration, has abandoned not only me but my colleagues and the American people." Billy Dale June 22, 2000 Washington, DC = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NATO Created Virus Unleashed
June 18 2000 BRITAIN Nato creates computer virus that reveals its secrets Adam Nathan BUNGLING Nato scientists have created a computer virus "by mistake", causing military secrets to find their way onto the internet. The virus, called Anti-Smyser 1, was created by scientists at Nato's Kfor peacekeeping force headquarters in Pristina, Kosovo. They were seeking protection from virus attacks similar to those launched at Nato by the Serbs during the Kosovo conflict. But the experiment went wrong, and scientists accidentally unleashed the virus on themselves. Last week it emerged that the virus, which plucks documents from the hard drives of computers and sends invisible attachments to e-mails, recently resurfaced at the Czech ministry of defence. "Following an investigation into the leaks, I can now tell you that this was started at Kfor by our own people and subsequently spread to Nato headquarters and to other Nato members." said Jamie Shea, a Nato spokesman. According to Shea, Nato first became aware of the virus in December. It is now believed to be responsible for the leak in April of a restricted nine-page document detailing the rules of engagement for Nato soldiers serving in Kosovo, which appeared mysteriously on the computer screens of a London publishing company. The document, dated December 23, 1999, set out circumstances in which "deadly force" could be used, instructed Nato troops to hand over war criminals within 48 hours to the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and covered riot control, media transmissions and authorisations for everything from attack helicopters to tanks. An e-mail with the document attached, seen by The Sunday Times, came with the following message: "Hello, I am Anti-Smyser 1. This virus is an alteration of a virus which was designed to delete all files from one's c:drive on December 13." At the time of the leak becoming public, Shea was quoted as saying: "These are sensitive Nato documents," but last week he was keen to play down the importance of the leak. An investigation was ordered by Nato chiefs still smarting from American allegations that a spy at Nato headquarters had leaked details of bombing plans to the Serbs during the Kosovo conflict. The claim was dismissed by Lord Robertson, the Nato secretary-general. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gore To Be Probed for Fund Raising
[The headline is a little misleading, although it does give one hope. Janet Reno could quash the whole thing. Any betting people out there who think she will actually go along with this recommendation? --MS] Gore To Be Probed for Fund Raising The Associated Press Thursday, June 22, 2000; 3:39 p.m. EDT WASHINGTON A top Justice Department prosecutor has recommended a special counsel be appointed to investigate Vice President Al Gore in the 1996 campaign fund-raising controversy, government officials said Thursday. The recommendation, which could impact Gore's Democratic presidential campaign, came from Robert Conrad, supervising attorney for the Justice Department task force investigating 1996 fund-raising abuses, said the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity. Conrad interviewed Gore and President Clinton in April. Conrad signaled activity in the investigation on Wednesday when he declined to answer a senator's questions about the vice president and the president. Officials said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., recently learned about Conrad's recommendation. "I have reason to believe that Mr. Conrad has made a recommendation that an independent counsel be appointed as to matters related to Vice President Gore," Specter said in a telephone interview. At Wednesday's hearing before the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on administrative oversight and the courts, Specter asked Conrad whether "you made or attempted to make a recommendation" on a special counsel to investigate Gore or Clinton. "I don't feel comfortable discussing" the matter, Conrad replied. Conrad said it is "something that pertains to an ongoing investigation." Specter, in the interview on Thursday, said Attorney General Janet Reno "has done a great disservice to Vice President Gore because these matters should have been investigated a long time ago." Reno repeatedly declined to seek appointment of an Independent Counsel before the statute expired a year ago. Specter said that his hearings into decision-making within the Justice Department on the fund-raising scandal "have been very embarrassing to the Department of Justice" in that "they did not proceed with an independent counsel as to the vice president a long time ago." Reno twice rejected an independent counsel to investigate Gore once for fund-raising phone calls from his White House office, the second time for possible false statements about that fund-raising. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: CIA, Agca and the Bulgarian Trace
-Original Message- From: Blagovesta Doncheva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mrs. Jela Jovanovic Secretary General [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 9:27 AM Subject: CIA, Agca and the "Bulgarian Trace" "Monitor", June 15, 2000 The Plot Against Bulgaria (Part I) The attempt on Pope s life 15 years ago was used for a dirty game against our country. Today Agca is pardoned, but our country name is not cleared yet. By Volen Siderov The news for Agca pardoning and his extradition in Turkey has brought back to life the memory for an anti Bulgarian play which had been on the world stage 19 years ago. Agca (23) had fired three times against Pope Joan Pavel II at 5,17 p.m. on May 13, 1981. He was a member of the extremist Turkish organisation "The Grey Wolves", and was being tracked out by Interpol for Abdi Ipekci s murder, the Turkish newspaper "Miliet" s chief editor. He had a death sentence for that murder but managed to escape from prison and was going about Europe with false passports. An ideal discrediting is worked out from that assault The Italian court had given him a life sentence by July 1981. There was not a word then about any Bulgarian and Soviet Union Secret Services participation in the assault. It was accepted that Agca had fulfilled his threat from November 1979, sent in a letter to the Turkish newspaper "Miliet" to kill the Pope for his collaboration (according to Agca) with the "Western imperialists" and "the assault on Mecca, carried out by USA and Israel.." Everything was clear: the killer and the weapon were taken, the motives were known. There was no reason whatsoever for re-examining that court decision. But some circles thought otherwise. Which were they? Ronald Reagon came to power in 1981. His close friend and hard anticommunist, William Casey (? Spelling) became a CIA head and started a new conception for destroying the soviet system. Propaganda was that new strategy basic part. Casey had worked out an impressive scheme backed by the CIA whole financial power and Reagon a Administration full support. (Reagon was the one who named the Soviet Union "The Empire of Evil".) The "Jonathan" Institute had worked on the subject till that time (that Institute was well known for the organisation of forums on the international terrorism ). One of them was carried out in Jerusalem in 1979. Then reports were presented by George Bush - a future USA President and former CIA boss (1976-1977) - and Sholms Gasit (?Spelling) from the Israel Army Investigation. That historical conference established several main points of the anti soviet system fight. The most important of them was the demand "the terrorism to be constantly represented as directed by "The Empire of Evil", KGB and its Soviet Block collaborators to be constantly denunciated" (as a source and perpetrators of terrorist acts). The Washington and Tel Aviv think tanks theoretical postulates turned into a practice three years later. Agca s life sentence in 1981 gave an ample possibility for staging the play called "Bulgarian Trace". Panitsa s "The Reader s Digest" let out the faecal spurt against Bulgaria The scenario fulfilment began a year after Agca s life sentence. The start was given by the widely spread "The Reader s Digest". Claire Sterling s fundamental article, titled "The Plot to Murder the Pope" was published there first in English in August, 1982, and then in other languages in September, 1982. For the first time Sterling advanced the thesis about the KGB and the Bulgarian Secret Services participation in a plot against the Pope - because he was a Polish "Solidarity" sympathiser, i.e., a Moscow enemy. That article informed the reader that "Agca is neither an agent of "The Grey Wolves", nor an unbalanced person: he hasn t acted by himself. There are all reasons to believe - as I have understood for several months investigation - that the man has been a weapon of a very thorough worked out international plot." Then Sterling informed the reader about Agca 50 days stay in Bulgaria, about his meetings with the Bulgarian Secret Police cops in the notorious "Vitosha" Hotel room 911; she most diligently revealed Bulgarian aspirations to destabilise Turkey by encouraging both left and right terrorism there. The top lie in those Sterling s legends was the version that Agca had not been Ipekci s killer, but he had only taken the blame on himself as a gesture to the left forces, aiming at discrediting the right ones. USA cops appear on the stage That Sterling s article is used for multiplying the propaganda lie, called "The Bulgarian Trace". Many Western electronic media and newspapers rushed greedily and started its distribution as if it was some long waited for sign for an anti Bulgarian campaign. Radio "Deutsche Welle" broadcast Sterling s version as early as August 18, 1982, with the strong insinuation that it was the truth itself. "The Voice of America" was quick to inform its listeners
[CTRL] Independent Counsel Robert W. Ray issued the following statement today
Office of the Independent Counsel
Thursday, June 22, 2000
Independent Counsel Robert W. Ray issued the following statement today:
The Office of the Independent Counsel ("OIC") has concluded an
investigation commonly known as the Travel Office matter. This
matter concerned allegations that David Watkins, former Assistant
to the President for Management and Administration, and First
Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton made false statements in violation of
18 U.S.C. § 1001, committed perjury in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 1621, or obstructed justice in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1503,
in connection with their statements and testimony concerning the
May 19, 1993 firing of seven employees of the White House Travel
Office. The Independent Counsel has concluded that the evidence
was insufficient to prove that Mr. Watkins or Mrs. Clinton made
any knowingly false statements, committed perjury, or obstructed
justice in this matter.
With respect to Mr. Watkins, the evidence was insufficient to
show that his statements regarding whether Mrs. Clinton ordered
him to fire the Travel Office employees or that she pressured him
to do so were knowingly false. Although there was some evidence
that Mrs. Clinton's involvement had the effect of pressuring him
to fire the Travel Office employees, that evidence was
insufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr.
Watkins's statements and testimony regarding that issue were
knowingly false.
Similarly, with respect to Mrs. Clinton, there was substantial
evidence that she had a "role" in the decision to fire the Travel
Office employees. She had discussions with Deputy White House
Counsel Vince Foster, Chief of Staff Mack McLarty, and longtime
friend and advisor Harry Thomason, and one direct telephone
conversation with David Watkins (whose responsibilities included
oversight and management of the Travel Office) in which she
expressed her "concerns" regarding the Travel Office. These
individuals discussed her concerns among themselves, which
produced a momentum to take immediate action. Thus, Mrs.
Clinton's concerns ultimately influenced Watkins's decision to
fire the Travel Office employees.
Nevertheless, the evidence was insufficient to prove to a jury
beyond a reasonable doubt that any of Mrs. Clinton's statements
and testimony regarding her involvement in the Travel Office
firings were knowingly false. Accordingly, the Independent
Counsel has declined prosecution of Mrs. Clinton as well.
This Office reached its conclusions only after completing an
extensive investigation through the assistance of criminal
investigators and FBI agents already detailed to this Office.
These conclusions are the culmination of the investigative work
of these agents and more than 10 attorneys, including Assistant
United States Attorneys detailed by the Department of Justice to
this Office, other career prosecutors, and senior OIC staff.
The investigation included a review of the voluminous record
created by investigations by the House Committee on Government
Reform and Oversight, the General Accounting Office, the
Department of Justice Public Integrity Section and Office of
Professional Responsibility, the Inspector General for the
Department of the Treasury, and the White House Management
Review.
In contrast to the cooperation received from the White House in
the FBI Files investigation, concluded in March of this year,
this Office experienced substantial resistance in its efforts to
obtain relevant evidence in the Travel Office matter. For
example, the White House asserted unfounded privileges that were
later rejected in court. White House officials also conducted
inadequate searches for documents and failed to make timely
production of documents, including relevant e-mails, in their
possession. Despite these and other obstacles that substantially
delayed the receipt of relevant evidence by this Office, the
Independent Counsel has concluded that the investigation may now
be closed.
This announcement, like the announcement at the conclusion of the
FBI Files matter, is consistent with the statutory requirement
relating to the conclusion of an investigation. At that time, an
independent counsel is required by statute to submit a final
report that "set[s] forth fully and completely the work of the
independent counsel." Congress has explained that the scope of
this provision requires "independent counsels . . . to provide
a summary of the key steps taken in the investigatory and
prosecutorial stages of their work and to explain the basis for
their decisions." Congress described it as "crucial" to have "a
discussion of the conduct of the person for whom the independent
counsel was appointed to office." This announcement serves to
provide timely information to the public concerning the findings
of the investigation with respect to Mr. Watkins and Mrs.
Clinton.
Under the Independent Counsel statute, a report filed with the
Special Division remains under seal until such time, if
[CTRL] JW: RAY'S TRAVELGATE REASONING IS FLAWED
Judicial Watch FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Richard Tomkins June 22, 2000 (202) 646-5172 RAYS TRAVELGATE REASONING IS FLAWED Ray Had Probable Cause To Indict Hillary Clinton Former Clinton Chief of Staff Thomas McLarty Testimony Laid Travel Office Outrage at Hillary Clintons Feet (Washington, DC) Independent Counsel Robert Ray used "flawed reasoning" in refusing to indict Hillary Rodham Clinton for lying about her role in the Travel Office firings of innocent career civil servants, announced the public interest law firm Judicial Watch, Inc. Judicial Watch represents Billy Ray Dale, the former head of the Travel Office. "The standard for indicting an individual is probable cause, not beyond a reasonable doubt, as Robert Ray implied in his statement on why he had declined to prosecute Hillary Clinton for lying about her role in Travelgate. It seems that Mr. Ray wasnt looking to the law in deciding whether to prosecute Hillary Clinton for the Travel Office outrage but to politics," stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. Former Clinton-Gore White House Chief of Staff Thomas F. McLarty, III testified on August 5, 1998 that Mrs. Clinton instigated the Travel Office firings: "I believe (David Watkins) said Mrs. Clinton had mentioned the [alleged Travel Office] improprieties to himMrs. Clinton stopped by my office and told me that she had raised these matters with Mr. Watkins. I told her I had already learned that from Mr. Watkins and, as I remember it, she said fine. I just want you to be aware of it." McLarty also testified that he understood from his conversations with her that Mrs. Clinton wanted him to take a particular "course of action." McLartys deposition testimony came in Judicial Watchs $90 million class action lawsuit on behalf of those Republican staffers and others (including Mr. Dale) whose FBI files were wrongly obtained by the Clinton-Gore White House. Mrs. Clinton is a defendant in this lawsuit. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYT: Prosecutor Recommends Special Counsel to Investigate Gore
NY Times June 22, 2000 Prosecutor Recommends Special Counsel to Investigate Gore By DON VAN NATTA Jr. and DAVID JOHNSTON ASHINGTON, -- The head of the Justice Department's campaign finance unit has recommended that Attorney General Janet Reno appoint a special counsel to investigate Vice President Al Gore's political fundraising activities during the 1996 Presidential campaign, government officials said today. Robert J. Conrad Jr., who heads the agency's campaign finance team, told Ms. Reno in a meeting last week that new evidence has revived questions about whether Mr. Gore has been truthful to investigators about his fundraising activities. Mr. Gore has been questioned five times under oath, most recently in a four hour interview on April 18 at the Vice Presidential mansion. Prosecutors were dissatisfied with Mr. Gore's answers during the interview which was conducted in a more confrontational tone than previous sessions, the officials said. At times, Mr. Gore reacted angrily to the questions, which covered an array of issues related to the Vice President's fundraising. So far, there is no indication that Ms. Reno has reached a decision on the matter. First in 1997 and then again 1998, Ms. Reno rejected the appointment of an independent counsel over the objections of F.B.I. Director Louis J. Freeh and some Justice Department officials. The rules have changed since then. In place of the independent counsel law which expired in 1999, the Justice Department has adopted regulations that give Ms. Reno the sole authority to appoint a prosecutor if she determines that the Justice Department would have a conflict of interest in an investigation or if she decided that an outside inquiry is in the public interest. The resurgent inquiry is focused on several issues that the Justice Department has investigated for years, including Mr. Gore's appearance at the Hsi Lai temple in 1996.The revived inquiry has ignited a long-running internal battle within the Justice Department over the issue. The investigation has remained a highly confidential matter within the Justice Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. F.B.I. Director Louis J. Freeh, who has long urged an independent investigation of Mr. Gore, has met privately in recent weeks with lawmakers in the House and Senate to avoid being asked to appear as a witness to discuss memorandum that he wrote several years ago about campaign finance issues. Mr. Freeh, whose relationship with the White House has eroded badly over the issue, told the lawmakers that he did not want to be drawn into a public discussion of a pending inquiry and did not want give the White House further cause for complaint. F.B.I. officials would not comment on the matter today. Ms. Reno refused to seek an independent counsel to investigate campaign finance issues. In 1998, with her aides badly divided, she considered whether to seek an independent inquiry into Mr. Gore's truthfulness, but ruled against the appointment, rejecting the advice of several top officials who said that Mr. Gore's statements were contradicted by documents and testimony. Ms. Reno's decision proved to be one of the most controversial of her tenure. Committees in the House and Senate are continuing to investigate the matter as Republicans have at times demanded her resignation for what they have said was an attempt to protect the White House from a politically perilous inquiry. Politically, the resurgence of an issue that had seemed to be losing steam could not come at a worse time for Mr. Gore. The Vice President has been attempting to reinvigorate his candidacy and the reemergence of campaign finance as an issue could hobble him with legal problems and provide a potent weapon to Republicans deep into the campaign season. At this stage, there seems little likelihood that Mr. Gore would be charged with wrongdoing. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust
[CTRL] Sending in tanks beyond the plan, senior FBI official testifies
Sending in tanks beyond the plan, senior FBI official testifies 06/22/2000 By Lee Hancock and Brenda Rodriguez The Dallas Morning News WACO FBI commanders went beyond a Washington-approved plan for tear gassing the Branch Davidian compound when they ordered tanks to drive deep into the building on April 19, 1993, at Mount Carmel, a former senior FBI official testified Thursday. "I don't recall that the plan contemplated this activity," former FBI deputy assistant director Danny O. Coulson testified when shown photographs of damage wreaked by FBI tanks. "You could use the term deviation. You could use the term inconsistent with what I understood the plan to be." Excerpts of his deposition and those of other senior FBI officials were shown on the fourth day of the Davidians' wrongful death lawsuit. Among other allegations, the lawsuit charges that the FBI's two commanders in Waco violated the gas plan approved by Attorney General Janet Reno when they ordered tanks to begin tearing down the rear area of the compound known as the gym on April 19. The operation plan had called for gassing the building for at least 48 hours before starting demolition. A fire erupted within an hour after an FBI tank began smashing into the compound's rear gymnasium and ripped half of it to the ground. More than 80 Davidians died in the blaze. Government lawyers have contended that the fires were deliberately set by sect members, and the FBI's actions played no role in the tragedy. They also have argued that the commanders' decisions, even if negligent, are protected by broad federal laws shielding federal employees and agencies from private challenge in lawsuits. They plan to present testimony in which Ms. Reno said the Waco commanders acted properly. Both now-retired agents in charge of the FBI's Waco operation, former Hostage Rescue Team leader Richard Rogers and former San Antonio FBI chief Jeffrey Jamar, are expected to be called to testify early next week by lawyers for the sect. Houston attorney Michael Caddell spent much of the morning showing jurors three early drafts of the FBI's gas plan. In those documents, bureau officials proposed issuing a surrender ultimatum when they began injecting tear gas and then sending tanks to begin demolishing the building if all Davidians did not give up within an hour. But the final plan presented to, and ultimately approved by, Ms. Reno repeatedly mandated gassing for 48 hours before using a specially outfitted tank to rip down the outer walls of the building. .In the segment of testimony presented from Mr. Coulson's deposition, the former official recounted watching the Waco gas operation on a monitor at FBI headquarters in Washington with another senior official. When a tank smashed deep into the front side of the building, he said, his stunned colleague blurted, "Holy [expletive!] ."I said I hope that's a bad camera angle," he recalled responding. . "My first reaction was that the tank could be disabled and trapped inside the building, and I was surprised to see it exit." In another deposition excerpt, former assistant FBI director Larry Potts was shown a memo prepared with the initials of Mr. Jamar and Mr. Rogers after the incident in which they described some of their agents being assigned to begin "systematic demolition" of the rear gymnasium. "I believe that an intentional dismantling of the building at that stage would've required an exigent circumstance [or emergency]," Mr. Potts said, adding that he never heard of Mr. Jamar or Mr. Rogers seeking permission to take such action. Asked if he were aware of any emergency on April 19 that would've required early demolition, he said, "I'm not aware of any." But government lawyers responded with deposition testimony in which former FBI deputy director Floyd Clark said that the agent in charge in Waco, Mr. Jamar, "had a tremendous amount of autonomy and authority." Asked if Mr. Jamar should have told Washington before sending tanks into the building, Mr. Clark said he would have expected such notification. "But would it require it? No.I don't think it would." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and
[CTRL] Lazio: SEC has launched informal probe of my stock trades
The Associated Press State Local Wire June 22, 2000, Thursday, BC cycle 8:39 PM Eastern Time HEADLINE: Lazio: SEC has launched informal probe of my stock trades BYLINE: By MARC HUMBERT, AP Political Writer DATELINE: ALBANY, N.Y. Blasting the Clinton administration, U.S. Senate candidate Rick Lazio said Thursday the Securities and Exchange Commission has launched an "informal investigation" into his stock option trading. The congressman from Long Island is running for the Senate in New York against Hillary Rodham Clinton. Lazio has denied any wrongdoing in connection with his stock dealings. In a statement, Lazio said he had "received a request from the staff of the Securities and Exchange Commission that we provide them with copies of certain account statements and trading records. "I intend to provide all information requested as well as answer any questions that the staff may have," Lazio added. While Lazio talked cooperation, his campaign staff went on the attack. "The Clinton administration has a long history of abusing federal authority and using government bureaucracies to attack their political opponents," Lazio campaign manager Bill Dal Col said in a statement. "Today, they reached a new low." There was no immediate comment from the SEC. Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said, "Desperate candidates make desperate charges." On Monday, state Comptroller H. Carl McCall, a Clinton supporter, said he had written to SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt Jr. asking for an investigation of Lazio's stock option trading. McCall, the sole trustee of New York's more than $127 billion public pension fund, called for the probe after it came out that Lazio scored a nearly 600 percent profit trading on options for stock in a company headed by political supporters. Lazio campaign spokesman Dan McLagan said that on Thursday members of the news media were told about the SEC's informal investigation by federal officials. Also Thursday, independent counsel Robert Ray said he had found substantial evidence of involvement on the part of the first lady in the White House travel office firings, but insufficient evidence to indict her on perjury charges. "The fact that a bogus investigation, launched at the behest of a Hillary Clinton supporter, carried out and leaked to the media by a federal government agency, occurred on the day that substantial evidence about her involvement in the 'Travelgate' scandal began to come out, does not pass the political sniff test," Dal Col said. "The fact that federal employees apparently leaked word of this investigation, thus committing a felony and risking their very freedom, speaks volumes of how far Hillary Clinton will go to further her political career," Dal Col added. Statements of support, and outrage, came quickly from Lazio supporters. "It's more than outrageous, it's borderline illegal," Rep. Thomas Reynolds, a western New York Republican, said. "For eight years, We've suffered through scandal after scandal in the Clinton-Gore administration and now Mrs. Clinton is bringing her dirty laundry and Arkansas tactics to New York," said state GOP Chairman William Powers. Records show that Lazio spent about $2,300 in early August 1997 for options on stock of Quick Reilly, a brokerage firm. On Sept. 17, 1997, the firm was bought by the Fleet Financial Group. Lazio sold his stock options that same day for almost $16,000. Peter Quick and Christopher C. Quick, former senior executives of Quick Reilly, who along with other company executives have donated at least $35,000 to Lazio's campaigns since 1995, said they had never discussed the company's stock with Lazio. Lazio also denied any insider knowledge. The first lady has also faced questions about her financial investments. She turned a $1,000 investment in the cattle futures market into nearly $100,000 during a nine-month period in 1978 and 1979, when her husband was attorney general and then governor of Arkansas. She denied any wrongdoing in those transactions. She was assisted in her trades by an executive of Tyson Foods, which had extensive business before Arkansas state regulators. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups
[CTRL] NY Conservative Chairman Calls for Congressional Investigation of SEC Leak
U.S. Newswire June 22, 2000, Thursday 12:00 AM, Eastern Time SECTION: NATIONAL DESK, POLITICAL REPORTER NY Conservative Chairman Calls for Congressional Investigation of SEC Leak DATELINE: FORT HAMILTON STATION, N.Y. The following was released today by the New York State Conservative Party: Michael R. Long, State Chairman of the New York State Conservative Party, called on Congress to investigate what appears to be a felonious leak regarding the investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission into the stock purchases made by Congressman Rick Lazio. The Clinton Administration's Securities and Exchange Commission, responding to a Clinton supporter, launched an investigation and then leaked it to the news media. A leak regarding an investigation is a felony. The investigation appears to be purely political and possibly aimed at deflecting the findings regarding Hillary Clinton's roll in the White House travel office firings apparently due to be released soon. While the Justice Department should be taking the lead on investigating the leak, we believe Congress must be the body to oversee such an investigation. Attorney General Janet Reno, a political appointee of President Clinton, has been unable up to this point to be objective when investigating her peers. Shaun Marie Levine of the New York State Conservative Party, 518-356-7882 = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lazio: SEC has launched informal probe of my stock trades
In a message dated 6/23/00 7:19:45 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The congressman from Long Island is running for the Senate in New York against Hillary Rodham Clinton. Lazio has denied any wrongdoing in connection with his stock dealings. Then he has nothing to fear...but his unfortunate tactic of blaming Hillary for his situation makes him appear petty and whiny... Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FBI official: Davidians could have been coaxed out of compound
FBI official: Davidians could have been coaxed out of compound 06/22/2000 By Lee Hancock The Dallas Morning News © 2000, The Dallas Morning News WACO FBI tactical commander Richard Rogers told investigators soon after the 1993 Branch Davidian siege that negotiators could have coaxed sect members from their barricaded compound if given enough time. "I have never commented to any investigators concerning negotiations because I don't view it as having a lot to do with [the] outcome at Waco," Mr. Rogers, former head of the FBI's Hostage Rescue team, told Justice Department interviewers in a confidential September 1993 interview. "I think given enough time, any negotiator could get them out if [there was] no suicide, but what is enough time?" Attorney General Janet Reno told the same investigators preparing the Justice Department's 1993 review of the Waco tragedy that senior FBI leaders told her to "butt out" after she agreed to let them tear-gas the compound. The records of those interviews have never been made public, and Mr. Rogers' statement represents his first known acknowledgment that more Branch Davidians might have eventually been talked into surrendering. Congressional investigators were only told early this year that the documents existed despite exhaustive previous requests for internal government records from the 1993 tragedy. Government lawyers also did not disclose the records to attorneys for the Branch Davidians until this month less than two weeks before the start of the trial in their wrongful-death lawsuit against the federal government. Their case, which completes its first week of testimony Friday, alleges that FBI negligence and violations of a Washington-approved tear-gas plan contributed to the start of a fire that consumed the compound April 19, 1993. Mr. Rogers is expected to testify early next week, and both sides expect his testimony to be pivotal in the $675 million negligence lawsuit. More than 80 Davidians died amid the fire, which erupted six hours after the FBI began ramming the compound with tanks and spraying in tear gas. Government lawyers have maintained that the Davidians set the fire, and that FBI actions played no role in the outcome of the deadliest law enforcement incident in U.S. history. Lawyers for the sect say they are particularly angry that they were not told that the detailed statements by Ms. Reno and Mr. Rogers existed before they questioned the two officials in separate March depositions. The lawyers noted that the documents came to them not only on the eve of trial but also more than three months after the court's deadline for producing documents in the case. Michael Caddell, lead lawyer for the plaintiffs, said he will introduce the records to jurors Friday. He said he believes that the account of Ms. Reno's 1993 interview statements will damage her recent deposition testimony, which he also plans to present Friday. Ms. Reno said in her March 23 deposition that she believed Mr. Rogers and the FBI's Waco supervisors acted properly on April 19, 1993. "The contents are amazing. ... There are direct contradictions to the FBI's version of events that they have been spouting for seven years," Mr. Caddell said. "These interviews were conducted in August and September of 1993 seven years ago. It's inexcusable that we didn't have them." He added that the 1993 statements show that FBI leaders, not Ms. Reno, were making the key decisions on the final day of the siege. "Janet Reno has nothing to do with what actually happened on April 19," he said. "The truth is, she was out of the loop." But lawyers for the government say they acted properly in turning over all relevant government documents to their opponents. They add that the government has made "a good faith effort" to produce all documents required by court discovery rules while struggling to keep track of the millions of government records relating to Waco as they prepared their defense. "There wasn't any effort to hold those back," U.S. Attorney Mike Bradford said. He said the Justice Department did not obtain them until late February, after congressional investigators learned from Philadelphia lawyer Edward S. Dennis, who supervised the 1993 Justice Review, that he had some internal memos from his Waco inquiry in his private files. He added that Justice officials in Washington did not submit them to the Waco trial team until April 20, and the government's lawyers then had to review them before turning them over to lawyers for the sect. Mr. Bradford added that he found little "significant" in them. The documents included Ms. Reno's statement that the FBI had been fair and forthcoming in trying to persuade her to use tear gas in April 1993 but told her in plain terms that they would be in charge once she approved. "They told me I should butt out after giving okay. Can't call back. Not law enforcement official. Not on scene," stated hand-written notes of her
[CTRL] Detective Agency Obtained Documents
June 23, 2000 Wall Street Journal Tech Center Detective Agency Obtained Documents On Microsoft at Two Additional Groups By TED BRIDIS and GLENN R. SIMPSON Staff Reporters THE WALL STREET JOURNAL WASHINGTON -- Investigative Group International Inc., the detective agency linked to attempts to buy the trash of a pro-Microsoft Corp. trade association, obtained internal information from two other groups that support Microsoft in its antitrust fight, according to people with knowledge of IGI's operations. IGI conducted successful actions against the Independent Institute of Oakland, Calif., which focuses on economic policy, and the National Taxpayers Union in Arlington, Va. The company obtained documents showing Microsoft's financial support of the groups, which later appeared in news accounts. The disclosures mean that IGI's anti-Microsoft campaign -- on behalf of a still-unidentified client -- was much longer and more elaborate that previously known, occurring over the course of a year and spanning the country. Several people with ties to IGI provided the details on the operations contained in this report. In the Independent Institute matter, IGI employee Robert M. Walters coordinated efforts from Washington to collect information about the group's funding sources. The institute began defending Microsoft in 1998 and took out pro-Microsoft ads last June. In September, the New York Times published a story citing internal documents from the institute that indicated Microsoft had paid for the ads. The newspaper wrote that it obtained the paperwork from "a Microsoft adversary associated with the computer industry who refused to be further identified." Institute officials said they believe the funding information may have been in two laptop computers stolen from the group the same month the ads appeared. IGI Chairman Terry Lenzner wouldn't discuss any specifics of cases the firm is involved in or its clients. "We would never allow anybody to steal property or break into a site we were not authorized to be in," he said. "And I know of no matter where we've ever been in the possession of a computer without specific authorization of the owner." IGI obtained information from the National Taxpayers Union by collecting its garbage earlier this year. The group began claiming last year that the government's antitrust case against Microsoft was motivated by the prospect of large fines. In May, Microsoft's contributions to the group were detailed in The Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post. The efforts to pass information detrimental to Microsoft continue. Mr. Lenzner contacted associates in New York last week, telling them that one of Microsoft's adversaries had hired his firm and he had uncovered new embarrassing information about the software giant, according to people familiar with the discussions. He said he was looking for a public-relations firm that could pass details to the media without disclosing his role, these people said. Last year, IGI's Mr. Walters, who declined more than a dozen requests for comment, told friends in Washington he was looking into contributions from Microsoft to organizations critical of the antitrust case, according to people familiar with his activities. Even the firm's critics said it was unlikely Mr. Lenzner would tolerate criminal activity. Former employees and others familiar with IGI operations say the firm's methods include interviewing former or disgruntled employees, conducting "pretext" interviews where the questioner doesn't identify himself as an IGI investigator, and obtaining trash. Collecting trash is a legal activity and is fairly common in the investigations business. But Independent Institute President David Theroux said he believes the information about the ad payments, which he said has been misrepresented, came from the stolen laptops. Institute officials were careful never to throw away the documents about the ad payments, Mr. Theroux said. He added that financial paperwork is shredded and trash is in a locked box. However, he added, "We don't have any proof exactly about how the documents were gotten." IGI's anti-Microsoft work came to light after efforts to buy the trash of the Association for Competitive Technology earlier this month. Office cleaners said a woman twice asked them to bring the group's trash to the nearby offices of Upstream Technologies Inc., which began leasing space in the building May 1. Records show that Mr. Walters completed the credit application for Upstream and paid for the office space with a personal check for $4,445 dated April 17 and drawn on his own bank account. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends
