Re: [Freedos-user] Any way to add files to freedos?

[TJ Edmister]

The situation is not looking good. Are you still able to copy or create  
files on the drive letter that you booted from?


There are two DOS programs, MS Interlink and Laplink, that could self-copy  
from one DOS PC to another through the serial port. But here's the kicker:  
the target PC has to be able to execute the MODE command to configure its  
serial port. How would you get the MODE utility? Well, now we are back to  
typing in a program with the keyboard, that is if it didn't lose the  
ability to create files when the USB stick was removed/reinserted. (I'm  
assuming you don't have the DEBUG program either.) So if you seriously  
want to try that, I would suggest going to comp.lang.asm.x86 and ask for  
instructions on how to use the program described in the recent thread "Hex  
to bin"


What about doing it without the MODE command? By using some COPY COM1  
commands and another PC with a terminal program it might be possible to  
discover the port's current settings. Of course, if they differ from the  
ones that Interlnk or Laplink were designed to use then you wouldn't be  
able to use those programs. In theory, you could write your own program  
that did the same thing. In practice, it might be time to give up and try  
rebooting...



On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 06:10:07 -0500, Brian Yglesias  
 wrote:



Thanks for tge reply.


I should mention off the bat that I at one point removed the usb  
memstick I
booted from, copied files to it, and reinserted. It didn't work, and  
running a
command subsequent to that failed. I'm not sure if I compounded the  
problem, or

if it is coincidental.


I booted from a usb memstick, and there's nothing on there but the  
aoutoexec.bat,
it's conf, localization stuff, and a couple of firmware files and, and  
the

utility that sometimes flashes it into IT mode.


There is a serial port on the server and there's a linux server also  
with a
serial port inches away. In addition, I have a laptop with windows and a  
USB

serial port.


I'll be back at the console in a few hours. I presume the goal is to  
read the

assembler program from the seriapl port, correct?


Thanks for the reply.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Any way to add files to freedos?

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Yes, there are ways. For instance, you could use the COPY CON command and  
then enter a machine language program using the keyboard (The folks on  
comp.lang.asm.x86 came up with a nice one using base64) although that is  
probably not the most time efficient method.


What type of storage device did you boot from? What other software is on  
there? Is there an RS232 serial port?


On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:01:56 -0500, Brian Yglesias  
 wrote:


I just attempted to flash a sas controller into IT mode and it failed.  
Now I don't
have the original firmware to revert the change, and if I reboot I will  
brick

the controller.


Is there any way to add files to freedos once it is booted?




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Re: [Freedos-user] Question Regarding FreeDOS's fdisk

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On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:31:38 -0500, Kyle Nied  wrote:


What, out of all of these fdisk versions (minus
vanilla fdisk, of course), can you create multiple primary partitions?


I'm pretty sure WinXP itself can create multiple primary partitions. Why  
not create the first partition (leaving some extra space on the disk) with  
whatever utility you want, install XP, then when XP is up and running  
create a second partition using XP's disk manager?


In regards to other things, yes, I will look at boot managers for this  
dual
boot, as it would not work without it, due to the configuration I am  
trying

to achieve.


If you had XP and 98 each installed on a partition, I think you could grab  
the 98 boot sector and add it to BOOT.INI. Then when XP boots you would  
have a menu option to boot 98.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Would you use a native 32/64-bit FreeDOS/BIOS system?

[TJ Edmister]

On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 11:15:08 -0500, Samuel V. via Freedos-user  
 wrote:


I was thinking that it could become necessary to start implementing a  
FreeDOS version that included natively its own BIOS, and that this  
combination of FreeDOS/BIOS is implemented entirely native as 32 or  
64-bit code, to keep using the known DOS environment, the same DOS/BIOS  
INT calls programming style (now also with other ways to call services),  
but extending everything to more modern CPU modes.


Reimplementing BIOS functions so that DOS could still run on a system  
without BIOS would be useful. (I suspect someone will do this sooner or  
later.)


Creating new functionality for 32/64bit code would only be useful for new  
software, so there's not likely to be much interest there. Personally,  
since the FreeBASIC compiler can target DOS, I still write code and run it  
under DOS on occasion. But I don't develop under DOS because of its  
single-tasking nature. I like to have a couple of text editors open all  
the time and I don't want to wait for a reboot if my program crashes.



The intention is to update FreeDOS and the BIOS to 32 and 64-bit modes,


Adding 32-bit multitasking and memory protection to DOS would be nifty.

Moving to 64bit could be problematic though because of the lack of V86  
mode. This is why I don't normally use 64bit Windows, it can't run any  
16-bit programs at all (without the extra hassle of using an emulator).


without forgetting the original 16-bit version, but now giving native  
access to features that DOS would benefit from, but that aren't  
available in Real Mode, like many Gigabytes of RAM, large IDE/SATA hard  
disks, more capable drivers, more file systems.


More drivers and filesystem support could be added in real mode. Some may  
not run as efficiently in real mode as if they were fully 32bit code, but  
to avoid switching between 16 and 32bit code and have it work with  
existing programs I guess you'd need a new DOS extender that included its  
own 32bit drivers. Also, I don't think there is a 64bit DOS extender yet.  
Whoever makes that could create the standard :)



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Re: [Freedos-user] upgrade my PC from FD 1.1 to FD 1.2 RE: to Rugxulo AUG 12, 2017

[TJ Edmister]

MS implemented an arbitrary limit of 32GB for FAT32 volumes, but with  
third-party tools much larger ones are possible (up to 2TB?). Maybe those  
flash cards could be reformatted and used in the camera with FAT32 instead.


On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 06:27:01 -0400, Dale E Sterner   
wrote:



I've seen a hand full of links for newly revised dos
games here.
I could use exFAT support for dos I read camera chips
into dos and play them on QV. I couldn't read my
brother in laws & my cousins new camera chips.
DOS usually dos better with chips. QV is
really good.


DS


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Re: [Freedos-user] Which

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From: "TJ Edmister" <damag...@hyakushiki.net>

On Tue, 09 Aug 2016 13:57:35 -0400, Dimitris Zilaskos
<dimitr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The issue I am facing now is that the mechanical drives I connected to
> the
> secondary IDE channel of my Vesa Local Bus controller are not detected.
> Windows 98 SE bootdisk does not detect them either, The BIOS of my system
> only supports 2 hard drives.

IIRC, if your motherboard BIOS only supports two drives, you could use a
controller card with its own onboard ROM for additional drives to be
recognized under DOS (or Win9x). Depending on what chipset the card uses,
there might also be a driver which can enable the second channel.

Not sure if the various DMA DOS drivers would detect and add drives on the
second channel (in fact, I don't know if they work on ISA/VL IDE
controllers or if PCI is required)


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Re: [Freedos-user] HTTPS

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From: "TJ Edmister" <damag...@hyakushiki.net>

On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 05:24:30 -0400, dmccunney <dennis.mccun...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> More to the point, who *needed* it?
>
> MNG is PNG with support for animation.  PNG was created to be a
> graphics format unencumbered by patents.

If GIF was patent encumbered, then it would seem that anyone who wanted
support for animation in an unencumbered format "needed" MNG.

> PNG grew out of that mess, as developers recognized a need for a
> graphics format unencumbered by patent.  But the PNG developers didn't
> care for the MNG format - they thought overloading PNG to also do
> animation was bad design

As someone who has implemented a PNG decoder from the official spec, I had
a good chuckle over the idea of the PNG devs shying away from something
because of "bad design."

>
> The Internet more or less worked for 99% of the world using the stuff
> you advocate *20 years ago*.

Yes. That's what the previous poster just said.

>
> Since you seem to have missed the fact, I'll be a good guy and clue
> you in.  That was *then*.  This is *now*. What worked 20 years ago
> *won't* work now.

On the contrary. Despite deliberate efforts to break things, there is
plenty that still works.

> The world has changed and we have to change with
> it.  Standing still is *not* an option.

Well, you can't stand still if your job security depends on making changes
for the sake of it. Mine doesn't.

> You might not like a lot of the changes needed, but you're stuck with
> them.

I have found it's remarkably easy to not use things that I don't wish to
use. YMMV.

> The world is bigger than you are and doesn't *care* what *you*
> think.

As spokesman for the world, maybe you can do me a favor and inform them
that this feeling is mutual.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Which freedos on 486

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On Tue, 09 Aug 2016 13:57:35 -0400, Dimitris Zilaskos  
 wrote:

> The issue I am facing now is that the mechanical drives I connected to  
> the
> secondary IDE channel of my Vesa Local Bus controller are not detected.
> Windows 98 SE bootdisk does not detect them either, The BIOS of my system
> only supports 2 hard drives.

IIRC, if your motherboard BIOS only supports two drives, you could use a  
controller card with its own onboard ROM for additional drives to be  
recognized under DOS (or Win9x). Depending on what chipset the card uses,  
there might also be a driver which can enable the second channel.

Not sure if the various DMA DOS drivers would detect and add drives on the  
second channel (in fact, I don't know if they work on ISA/VL IDE  
controllers or if PCI is required)


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Re: [Freedos-user] HTTPS and DOS browsers

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On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 05:24:30 -0400, dmccunney   
wrote:

>
> More to the point, who *needed* it?
>
> MNG is PNG with support for animation.  PNG was created to be a
> graphics format unencumbered by patents.

If GIF was patent encumbered, then it would seem that anyone who wanted  
support for animation in an unencumbered format "needed" MNG.

> PNG grew out of that mess, as developers recognized a need for a
> graphics format unencumbered by patent.  But the PNG developers didn't
> care for the MNG format - they thought overloading PNG to also do
> animation was bad design

As someone who has implemented a PNG decoder from the official spec, I had  
a good chuckle over the idea of the PNG devs shying away from something  
because of "bad design."

>
> The Internet more or less worked for 99% of the world using the stuff
> you advocate *20 years ago*.

Yes. That's what the previous poster just said.

>
> Since you seem to have missed the fact, I'll be a good guy and clue
> you in.  That was *then*.  This is *now*. What worked 20 years ago
> *won't* work now.

On the contrary. Despite deliberate efforts to break things, there is  
plenty that still works.

> The world has changed and we have to change with
> it.  Standing still is *not* an option.

Well, you can't stand still if your job security depends on making changes  
for the sake of it. Mine doesn't.

> You might not like a lot of the changes needed, but you're stuck with
> them.

I have found it's remarkably easy to not use things that I don't wish to  
use. YMMV.

> The world is bigger than you are and doesn't *care* what *you*
> think.

As spokesman for the world, maybe you can do me a favor and inform them  
that this feeling is mutual.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS website (rants)

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 21:08:03 -0400, Rugxulo  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Jose Antonio Senna
>  wrote:
>>
>>   This said, I also admit browsing from DOS
>>  is going to be less and less practical.
>>  Lynx 2.8.5 supports HTTPS (and is the only
>>  tried DOS browser which does),
>
> I'm pretty sure Links2 (non-lite version) can support HTTPS also.
>
> But if you try Links2 and it doesn't work well for you, I'm pretty
> sure the developer (mikulas) would still accept your feedback. He
> seems open to suggestions.
>
>>   It shall be possible to write a browser "for DOS"
>>  from scratch (possibly using only expanded
>>  memory, so it may run even in a 8088, albeit
>>  a fast one), but it will take so much skilled
>>  effort that nobody is going to do it.
>
> Honestly, I'd err more on the side of "nobody has those skills
> anymore" rather than pretending "if only we had more xyz" (money,
> developers, time, etc).

It's not a lack of skills. DOS is lacking third party drivers that exist  
for modern OSs. However, something could still be written that ran on a  
limited selection of hardware. DOS is lacking various libraries. However,  
these libraries are still maintained, people know how they work, they  
could be reimplemented. Anything that can be developed for Windows can be  
developed for DOS, even if you have to reimplement Windows itself to get  
there (although that would be the worse case scenario...)

The problem is what it means to be "a web browser." It's 25 years of  
haphazard evolutionary design-by-commitee squared. An unmitigated  
disaster. Nobody in their right mind would try to support all this crap  
that never should have been in the first place. This is why there are very  
few "fully-featured" browsers available for ANY OS that don't borrow a ton  
of code from something else.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Games - and DOS installation

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:11:12 -0400, dmccunney <dennis.mccun...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 6:39 AM, TJ Edmister <damag...@hyakushiki.net>  
> wrote:
>> Since I boot Win2K/XP from FAT32, I also have the ability to put FD  
>> right
>> on the C: partition and add it to my BOOT.INI as an option. This needs a
>> little juggling of boot sectors to accomplish though.
>
> I have to ask: why FAT32?
>

I like FAT32. Anyway, we already had this discussion. Check your email  
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Re: [Freedos-user] Games - and DOS installation

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On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:20:32 -0400, Eric Auer  wrote:
>
> * Is it easy enough to make a bootable USB stick with FreeDOS with
>   plenty of software included which does NOT need to install to
>   harddisk but can be used as "live" operating system boot disk?

Isn't there a bootable disk image like this available? It's not that hard  
to make one although the process could certainly be simplified.

It would be nice if we had a utility to distribute along side the disk  
image, which would take care of a couple things. 1) writing the image to  
the disk/flash device and 2) resizing the FAT partition to fit the  
available space (so that only one disk image would need to be distributed  
rather than various differently sized ones)

I never ran the installer for FD myself. I just formatted a 2GB CF card,  
manually copied the FD files to it, and then ran some utility which  
created an FD boot sector (I'm not sure what environment I had to be in to  
run this utility... it may have been Win98) and of course edited the  
fdconfig.sys (or whatever it's called... this happened years ago.)

Since I boot Win2K/XP from FAT32, I also have the ability to put FD right  
on the C: partition and add it to my BOOT.INI as an option. This needs a  
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Re: [Freedos-user] USB

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On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 21:30:03 -0400, Ralf Quint   
wrote:

> On 4/23/2016 6:53 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
>> The copy command is limited to what you set the mode command to.
>> FREEDOS lets you set the baud very high but other dos's and
>> even windows has 9600 baud as the upper limit, well below
>> the uarts top speed.
>> If I type copy filename.prn com1: in any other dos besides FREEDOS
>> its top transmission speed is 9600. Any graphics file would take a few
>> minutes at that speed. Text file are ok at 9600 but pictures take
>> forever.
>> Terminal software like xtalk only send text files at high speeds.
>> For photos you need the dos copy command.
> Sorry, but all of this is NOT correct. Once again, nothing in DOS limits
> how high you set the UART speed

No, he's right. The MODE command under MS-DOS 6.0 as well as Win98 is  
arbitrarily limited to 19200bps. Doesn't mean that other programs can't  
set a higher speed themselves, but MODE cannot.

However under Windows 7 32-bit, the MODE command doesn't appear to have  
any limits. (I can set eg. MODE COM3: baud=66 and it will accept that,  
although this is not a "real" serial port)

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Re: [Freedos-user] AMD PowerNow adjustment in DOS

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Currently, there are no checks. As for documentation and whatnot, it's on  
the to-do list.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 04:04:56 -0400, Mateusz Viste <mate...@viste.fr> wrote:

> Looks neat! Any chance for having it released with clear authorship, and
> some generic license? (say, 2-clause BSD for instance, to keep things  
> small)
>
> Does the tool check that it acts on a supported CPU before operating?
> Performing such low-level actions on unsupported CPUs could have very
> unexpected results.
>
> Ideally, a little bit of documentation included in the archive would be
> awesome :) (even as short as a copy/paste of your previous message)
>
> cheers,
> Mateusz
>
>
>
> On 26/03/2016 02:06, TJ Edmister wrote:
>> Here is a utility for adjusting speed/voltage settings on K8 CPUs (eg.
>> Athlon 64, Turion 64). It won't work on K10/Phenom-based CPUs which use  
>> a
>> different scheme.
>>
>> http://www.hyakushiki.net/misc/powernow.zip
>>
>> Running the program with no argument shows the contents of the status
>> register, including the default and current settings (in hexadecimal).  
>> New
>> values to set can be specified on the command line. The CPU itself will
>> not let you set excessively high voltage or speeds (unless it is an
>> unlocked Black Edition CPU). However you can set too low of a voltage,
>> leading to a crash. Making a large change of both voltage and multiplier
>> at the same time will likely lead to a crash as well. The voltage should
>> be raised before raising the multiplier, and the multiplier should be
>> lowered before also lowering the voltage.
>>
>> A value of 0 for voltage translates to 1.550V. The voltage decreases in
>> .025V steps from there. So 10h translates to 1.150V
>>
>> A value of 0 for multiplier is 4x (800MHz). It increases in half steps
>>   from there. So 10h translates to 12x (2400MHz)
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] [solved] Doom unstable with LBACACHE or RDISK

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On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:50:25 -0400, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote:

 On 28/06/2015 20:03, Rugxulo wrote:
 Below 16M? You mean for DMA or the like?

 I have honestly no idea what the 'low-level' implications are. If
 someone asked me 2 days ago, I'd say that's impossible, since an
 application only requests XMS handles from the XMS driver, and
 performs all moves from/to XMS by calling the XMS driver over a small
 64K window of data... Hence the application is not aware at all where
 physically the memory it gets is located at.

DOOM is a 32-bit program, it doesn't use 64KB segments. It doesn't even  
need an XMS driver installed to run.

BTW, I tested DOOM 1.9 on my FreeDOS install and got similar results. My  
system is a Pentium III 600e, 192MB of RAM, with an ISA Sound Blaster 16.  
If I have a large (40MB) UIDE disk cache active then the system halts upon  
exiting the game.

Under Windows 98 DOS, it crashes with a GPF if I have a 32MB SMARTDRV  
cache. It does seem like a bug in the old DOS4GW.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Networking: With MS Client, Error 5: Access has been denied

[TJ Edmister]

Did you check the NTLM compatibility mode in Vista?

HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa
There should be a DWORD named LmCompatibilityLevel set to value of 1

On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 13:32:34 -0400, John Hupp free...@prpcompany.com  
wrote:

 I installed MS-DOS Network Client, which successfully initializes with
 TCP/IP via DHCP.

 But when I try net use z: \\server\share and enter the password (with
 a user name that matches the Win Vista peer server account), I get
 Error 5: Access has been denied.

 Likewise, net view \\server yields the same error.

 And net view yields Error 6118: The list of servers for this
 workgroup is not currently available.

 Linux machines on the LAN connect to the server OK with the same account.

 I tried disabling SMB2 via a registry entry (per
 https://www.petri.com/how-to-disable-smb-2-on-windows-vista-or-server-2008),
 but this made no difference.

 Anyone know how to fix this?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Vertical lines/bands in LCD display but OK on CRT

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On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:22:03 -0400, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:




 No, I don't think so. You'd (usually) have to use raw assembly. Maybe
 you could do limited stuff with debug, dunno. (Obviously you can call
 interrupts with debug or do a few other arcane things, but it's not
 nearly as good as a full assembler.)


Changing screen modes should be doable since it's only an int call. eg.

mov ax,$4F02
mov bx,$0102
int $10

(I believe this changes to 800x600 with 100x37 text)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

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In the past I had half a dozen machines with various ESS chipsets which  
were (mostly) SB Pro compatible. Under DOS I would run ESSCFG followed by  
ESSVOL, and maybe set a BLASTER environment variable (or did the utility  
do that itself??? I can't remember) and then it would work. Check this  
archive http://www.hyakushiki.net/essdos.zip


On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:46:04 -0400, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every SB/ESS
 driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it worked. For  
 my
 modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS or Yamaha) I can  
 only
 get sound through the internal speaker, but MPXPLAY  QView work through
 the lineout - I think any successful configuration will be a compromise.

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com  
 wrote:

 I've quit working on it for a while. Tried every address and interupt I
 can think of.
 None work I think the chip is in off mode and needs to be turned on by
 windows.
 These sound drivers work on sound blaster cards but not on a laptop with
 ESS.


 cheers
 DS


 On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:18:52 +0200 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de  
 writes:
 
  Hi!
 
   What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works
  on
   an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on
 
   somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of
  the
   drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows
  to
   the background and they work but who wants that.
 
  There are many different ESS chips, so more information is needed:
 
  http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=107869
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_AudioPCI
 
  http://www.daqarta.com/ess.htm
 
  What would also help is a tool to detect I/O base, IRQ and DMA
  details
  without hanging. No matter which card you have, often one or several
  of those aspects go wrong. In particular with PCI cards trying to be
  compatible to ISA SoundBlaster standards of any type, failing DMA
  and
  mis-routed IRQ signals are a common source of havoc. In some cases,
  it
  even is a hardware problem (a new mainboard cannot make PCI stuff
  look
  sufficiently ISA compatible any more). With SB Live, SB PCI and the
  ESS
  Ensoniq Audio PCI, the SoundBlaster compatibility even is a
  completely
  fake driver generated virtual hardware experience in the first
  place.
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Any open-source DOS picture viewers out there?

[TJ Edmister]

I've been working on a program which can load BMP/JPG, and optionally  
apply various color adjustment/reduction and scaling. It's mainly for my  
own use, but if there is interest I could release it under a specific  
license. It is written in FreeBASIC (with some inline assembly), and hence  
can be compiled for DOS and run with at least 486+VGA.
http://www.hyakushiki.net/misc/imgtoolb.zip

On a semi-related note, my 3D model editor (which shares some code) can  
run in DOS:
http://www.hyakushiki.net/3d/mbfast.zip

On Thu, 14 May 2015 01:05:37 -0400, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote:

 Hello list,

 I was browsing the FreeDOS list of packages and I noticed that we have
 no picture viewer. I know lots of picture viewers for DOS (my favorite
 being by far the excellent SEA DOS Viewer), but none of these I know is
 open. It's really sad to see so many fine softwares going to waste
 because of closed sources.

 Anyone know about a free (NOT freeware) DOS picture viewer ? Blocek can
 be used as a basic picture viewer, but it is much more focused on being
 a text editor (as it should be), not really a picture viewer.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2.0 GUI?

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It would be interesting to see a command interpreter like  
freecom/command.com with some basic GUI elements added to it. A menu bar  
with mouse support, clock, scroll bar perhaps... Does something like this  
exist?

I saw something similar on an Atari 800XL with a variant of SpartaDOS. At  
the time I thought it was not very useful though since those Ataris didn't  
even come with a real-time-clock or mouse (and screen updates were slow  
enough without adding extra stuff).

On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 20:04:21 -0500, Christopher Evans  
aaxiomfin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I should get my vp2os3 dos menu shell recompiled and working again. It
 kinda looks like win95 in text mode.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:29:56 -0500, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:


 Hi!

 The DOS format utility is kind of an anachronism at this point. Usually  
 it
 takes a long time to format a partition because it's iterating through
 every sector of the disk. It's completely unnecessary these days. All it
 really needs to do is write a boot sector, FAT, and root directory.

 That is why FORMAT has options for QUICK format, which does
 exactly that: Write only the FAT, root dir and boot sector.

 Optionally, that combines with making a backup of those areas
 near the end of the disk, allowing a later UNFORMAT. But of
 course quick format is quickest without that backup step ;-)

 Of course both do not work with never-yet-formatted floppies.

 Eric

When formatting a harddisk partition (or flash or whatever the actual  
medium is), MS FORMAT relies on a correct boot sector already having been  
created by FDISK. I discovered this not long ago when I tried to resize a  
partition by tweaking the MBR with a sector editor. I changed a 20GB  
partition to 60GB. But when I ran FORMAT, it continued to report 20GB. I  
had to change the size in the partition's boot sector as well. And this is  
just to perform a slow format. As for quick format, it doesn't work unless  
the partition has previously been slow-formatted to create a valid FAT.  
This behavior makes sense in the context of FAT16 where the disk is  
checked for bad clusters which can then be marked in the FAT. In the  
context of FAT32, not so much...

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Re: [Freedos-user] FAT format process - was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60

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On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 05:16:25 -0500, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:


 This limitation should not be present in FreeDOS: Default there is
 for harddisks to do a quick format, either with or without saving
 unformat data depending on whether there already was a filesystem.

 This behavior makes sense in the context of FAT16 where the disk is
 checked for bad clusters which can then be marked in the FAT. In the
 context of FAT32, not so much...

 In FreeDOS, even slow format defaults to NOT check for bad clusters
 for harddisks, unless you explicitly use the /U option. Even then,
 you can abort the wipe / surface check process half-way. FORMAT will
 still be complete then, just without the rest of the wipe and check.

 The fastest mode in FreeDOS FORMAT is /Q /U which explicitly does not
 try to save unformat data. It just creates empty FAT, boot and root.

 Regards, Eric

So the FreeDOS FORMAT is superior in this regard, but I don't know then  
why it would take a long time to format an SD card as mentioned earlier in  
this thread.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

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On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:13:59 -0500, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com  
wrote:

 I can think of only 2 ways an engineer can get those speeds out of a
 serial device.
 A very fast clock or big external buffers. I think DOS could handle a
 fast clock

It is a very fast clock, 1.5 GHz and beyond. It uses differential  
signaling (two wires to transmit one bit) which is less vulnerable to  
noise.

The IDE interface could not run at such a high frequency because it uses  
5V TTL signaling, like an old motherboard bus (or parallel printer port).  
Except where a motherboard has multiple layers with a ground plane and  
whatnot to control noise, a ribbon cable doesn't. The 80-conductor ribbon  
cables have extra ground wires to improve signal integrity and allowed the  
speed to increase from 16.6MHz (ATA 33) to 66MHz (ATA 133). The original  
speed for the IDE interface was 1.66MHz (PIO 0).

Hypothetically, they could have used high-speed differential signaling AND  
a connector with multiple bits in parallel for even more speed. This is  
basically what a PCI-express graphics slot is.

 but if they use buffers; DOS may not know how to use them like windows or
 Linux.
 I never used SATA so I can't say. You would be in good position to know.
 As far as formating an SD chip; sometimes the format gets corrupted and
 you need
 to redo it. DOS just doesn't do well on the big stuff; no problem ever
 with cf chips.


The DOS format utility is kind of an anachronism at this point. Usually it  
takes a long time to format a partition because it's iterating through  
every sector of the disk. It's completely unnecessary these days. All it  
really needs to do is write a boot sector, FAT, and root directory.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

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On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 07:55:59 -0500, Matej Horvat  
matej.hor...@guest.arnes.si wrote:

 On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:44:52 +0100, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com
 wrote:

 from Rugxulo:

 One of the big problems (not counting HTML5 or Javascript or Flash) is
 HTTPS. Not just for DOS but for any OS that isn't top tier (big three:
 Mac, Win, Linux).

 On DOS, Dillo and Links support HTTPS.

 Even the lighter-weight graphic web browsers for Linux/Unix support
 Javascript and HTTPS, Mozilla Firefox and Seamonkey, and maybe some
 others, also support HTML5, but Flash is a big problem.

 I do not understand why everyone is so deathly afraid of HTML5. HTML5
 pages do not magically stop working in HTML 4.01 browsers. HTML5 just  
 adds
 some new elements, many of which are semantic and can be ignored when
 rendering a page.

According to wiki, HTML 4.01 dates back to 2001, so technically there are  
huge number of HTML 4.01 browsers when including the various versions  
released since 2001. CSS is probably the biggest reason for websites not  
working right in any case. Some sites are completely reliant on Javascript  
and are useless otherwise, but I have seen a few that will still work  
right in an old browser. Tons and tons of sites don't render properly or  
at all, with or without JS, because of CSS issues. Sometimes I go into a  
page's source code and delete or edit sections to make it display.


 Usually when people say HTML5, they mean the audio and video  
 elements,
 which currently no DOS browser supports. They are a _good_ thing. They
 make it possible to include audio and video without relying on  
 proprietary
 technologies such as Flash (which fortunately hardly any site requires
 anymore, probably because of iOS's popularity).

 In fact, I am sure Arachne could easily support them by just rendering
 them as a link and then downloading the audio/video file and starting the
 appropriate program, like it already does. The audio and video
 elements pretty much are just an extended version of the old a element
 that support specifying multiple formats so the browser can choose one
 depending on what it supports.

Haha. A simple link to an audio or video file? But that's exactly what the  
site operators don't want, or they could have done it in the first place.  
It would be way too easy.

In Opera version 4, one could click a link to an AVI file and it would  
download and play in the browser window. Of course, since an AVI file has  
the index chunk at the end, the whole thing had to transfer before  
playback could begin.

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Re: [Freedos-user] For what architectures is FreeDOS designed?

[TJ Edmister]

On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:16:19 -0500, Dennis Holierhoek  
dennis...@hotmail.com wrote:

 But can it also run 8-bit programs? And 4-bit?


In theory, you could run 8-bit object code if you had an NEC V20 or V30  
CPU which is 8086 compatible while also featuring an 8080 emulation mode.  
NEC also made a special version of their V50 CPU just for the PC-88VA  
which can execute Z80 code as well.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Com1: corruption from PS2 mouse

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 07:33:47 -0500, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote:


 FreeBasic doesn't support FIFO, and most likely no IRQ.

 try

  Open Com COM1:600,n,8,1,cs0,ds0,cd0,rs For Random As #CP

 and see if that changes your problem.

 sorry, not true.
 FreeBasic seems to use IRQ, but not FIFO.

 anyway, try
   Open Com COM1:600,n,8,1,cs0,ds0,cd0,rs For Random As #CP

 Tom


I have done a bit with serial ports in FreeBASIC on Windows. I had an  
issue with dropping bytes when reading one character at a time. Reading a  
string with the length according to LOC() function seemed to solve the  
problem. This is what my routine looks like:

ff1=freefile
open com COM3:230400,n,8,1,cs0,cd0,ds0,rs as #ff1

a102:
sleep 20
while loc(ff1)0
k=input$(loc(ff1),ff1)
print k;
wend
goto a102

There is an argument that can be passed in the Open Com statement to  
specify a buffer size. Is it supported in DOS? Maybe I will have to whip  
out FB DOS compiler and experiment. BTW, I'm not sure why you are adding  
For Random, or what that would even mean in this context.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Com1: corruption from PS2 mouse

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On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:55:42 -0500, TJ Edmister damag...@hyakushiki.net  
wrote:


 There is an argument that can be passed in the Open Com statement to
 specify a buffer size. Is it supported in DOS? Maybe I will have to whip
 out FB DOS compiler and experiment. BTW, I'm not sure why you are adding
 For Random, or what that would even mean in this context.


OK did some experimenting...

Compiled and ran the program on my NEC Versa V/50 (compiling is a bit slow  
on a 486, hmmm...) and sent text files over the serial port from my other  
laptop. First I tried 19200bps, no problem. Then I tried 115200bps and  
there was some byte droppage. Then I specified a receive buffer:

open com COM1:115200,n,8,1,cs0,cd0,ds0,rs,rb16384 as #ff1

this yielded no bytes missing at first, later in the file after the screen  
had been scrolling there was some droppage (presumably the buffer was  
full?)

FreeBASIC's text output (PRINT statement) is fairly slow it seems.

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Re: [Freedos-user] How to install FA511 PCMCIA Network Card

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Is there any documentation included with the FA511 driver?

Using PCMCIA cards under DOS often required some socket services crap to  
be installed. I had a network card working under DOS on a Toshiba of that  
era. I'll look in my backups and see if I still have the files and/or  
config.sys

On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 05:41:46 -0400, Christian Imhorst  
christian.imho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I have installed FreeDos 1.1 on my Toshiba Tecra 8000. Now I try to get  
 my
 NETGEAR FA511 32-bit PCMCIA LAN card working.

 I have copied FA511.COM and NET.CFG from the NETGEAR CD-ROM with drivers  
 to
 C:\NWCLIENT together with some files who are needed to start networking.  
 So
 I run LSL.COM from this directory and than I start FA511.COM. The latter
 one ends with an error message:

 FA511-DOS-104: No NIC found in the machine.

 I think my PCMCIA slot is not recognized by FreeDOS. What do I need to  
 get
 my PCMCIA card working?

 Hardware is ok because it works with Linux.

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Re: [Freedos-user] how pass on command line general non-zero bytes to DOS program?

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Does holding ALT while typing the ASCII code on the numeric keypad not  
work under FreeDOS?
http://www.irongeek.com/alt-numpad-ascii-key-combos-and-chart.html

On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 00:43:09 -0400, Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz  
wrote:

 Hi, I need pass general non-ASCII non-zero strings as arguments on
 cmdline to DOS program. How can this be done in FreeDOS?
 In Linux sh/bash shell I can use construction as $'\xAD\xBC' - but
 this not work in FreeDOS command.com.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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On Fri, 16 May 2014 11:29:09 -0400, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com  
wrote:

 On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:31 AM, TJ Edmister damag...@hyakushiki.net  
 wrote:
 On Thu, 15 May 2014 11:30:22 -0400, dmccunney  
 dennis.mccun...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com
 wrote:

 Oh by the way if you want to install XP on FAT32, it will work without
 being activated.

 XP on FAT32?  shudder

 I have always run XP on FAT32 without problems. The only downside in my
 book is the 4GB file limit. NTFS is overly complicated.

 What's complicated about it?  If you don't use optional capabilities
 like compression or encryption, you mostly don't have to do anything
 to use it.

The aforementioned lack of support among different OS (owing to the  
complexity of the low-level implementation), as well as incompatibilities  
between versions of Windows and the filesystem itself (eg. the Win7  
installer would crash without explanation when attempting to install on an  
existing NTFS partition created with an earlier version of Windows)

Links are problematic. I have seen links to a directory inside its own  
directory tree. This results in  a situation where eg. a DIR /S command  
runs indefinitely. And the only way I know to remove such a link is with a  
sector editor.

I never liked the idea of file metadata (or alternate data streams, which  
are possible but not commonly used AFAIK) as they tend to not be preserved  
when copied to another filesystem, archived, or uploaded.

Making a change to file permissions on an NTFS volume involves a  
minutes-long process of updating the attributes for every individual file  
affected (just a base Windows install is tens of thousands of files these  
days)

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Re: [Freedos-user] LBA And FreeDOS.

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On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:13:29 -0500, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:


 It supports FAT12/16 and NTFS out of the box, and
 with a patched system file it will support FAT32 also (same goes for
 NT3.51)

 Is the patch officially part of some service pack or is it third-party?


I checked the site where I found it and it says the author is unknown.  
http://bearwindows.boot-land.net/winnt351.htm


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS/V

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On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 00:36:49 -0500, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Matej Horvat
 matej.hor...@guest.arnes.si wrote:

 ... irrelevant comments by me deleted ...

 PS: I just wrote all that and found this:

 http://nokonoko365.cocolog-nifty.com/blogfile/freedos/index.html

 Is that third party software for Japanese support or what?

 No, according to Chrome's translation, it seems to just be somebody
 trying FreeDOS + Windows 3.1 under VirtualPC, nothing more.


The top of the blog page is indeed about running jp win3.1. Below that it  
talks about adding Japanese support to FD. The link is broken but a google  
search turns up working links for fdos0138.exe or fdos0138.lzh. With the  
drivers being loaded in fdconfig.sys it becomes possible to switch between  
standard character-mapped text mode (needed for running FD EDIT, etc.) and  
the VGA mode for running Japanese DOS programs.

The readme file with the disk image seems to say that the license is GPL  
or freeware (I am not good enough to parse Japanese legalese), and  
includes an email address for the author minashir...@yahoo.co.jp

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS/V

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On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 18:22:40 -0500, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:


 The two main files seem to be (as mentioned) fdos0138.exe (.ZIP sfx of
 .IMA) and jis4pack.lzh (three .fnt files, the first of which is huge,
 presumably only useful with something on the .IMA, perhaps FONTNX.EXE
 ??).

Yes, and they are both downloadable here  
http://dos.minashiro.net/freedosvd.html


 I still don't understand which encoding, which scripts, etc. are
 supported here. Plus, it's not obvious (to me) which third-party
 programs are supported or whether such support has to be built into
 each by default.

I believe the encoding used is Shift-JIS. Instead of the usual  
character-mapped text mode, the display is switched to a bitmapped mode,  
the fonts are loaded into memory, and the driver intercepts calls to write  
text to the screen and handles drawing the characters itself. 7-bit ASCII  
can be written as normal (half-width characters), but bytes in the  
128-255 range can be combined with the following byte to form a longer  
character code. These can represent any of the kana/kanji/etc. and while  
they are two bytes long they are also physically twice as wide on the  
screen (full-width characters).

Once the drivers are installed then for instance, one could use the TYPE  
command to display the included readme file and the Japanese characters  
would then be displayed properly. Whereas in a normal FreeDOS install,  
trying to view the file would result in mojibake (nonsense strings).

I imagine this would allow running any other legacy DOS programs which  
were designed to use Shift-JIS. But then, I've never used DOS/V, or any  
Japanese DOS programs other than the command-line utilities that are  
included with Japanese Windows XP, so I'm not entirely sure. I also don't  
know how kanji input (if any) works.

 I don't see any sources, but I know that FreeDOS heavily frowns on
 anything that isn't free/libre (four freedoms). In other words, I
 don't think freeware, no matter how useful, is good enough to
 mirror. Presumably the mention here of GPL only refers to FreeDOS
 proper stuff (kernel, shell), not the others.

 I really am too pessimistic to email the author. If you or someone
 else isn't willing, I could try, but I really doubt it would help any
 of us here very much. And of course I don't speak Japanese, so 

I don't know if it is a good candidate for a mirror, but at least anyone  
who wants Japanese support in FreeDOS can try it out.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Amiga BridgeBoard

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On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 15:55:45 -0400, Payton Byrd plb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello!

 I am trying to setup FreeDOS on a PC BridgeBoard on an Amiga 2000.  I  
 have
 MS-DOS 3.3 running fine, but want to upgrade to FreeDOS.  I can read 720K
 floppies from the Amiga (and copy the files to the BridgeBoard hard drive
 partition), and I have a 360K floppy attached to the BridgeBoard.  What  
 is
 my best option for getting FreeDOS over to the Amiga/BridgeBoard?


Need more info. I assume your A2000 is not connected to the net or you  
could just download and extract the archive right? And you don't have  
another machine that can download it and write to floppies?

A serial null-modem cable might be handy in this type of situation. Or a  
CD-ROM drive connected to your Amiga.

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Re: [Freedos-user] [super long subject line]

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On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:45:45 -0400, kurt godel wb2...@gmail.com wrote:

 ...

My first question is, what OS is currently installed on your machine?  
Second, can it boot from LAN?

If you are trying to install Linux from Windows you should look into a  
thing called wubi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu_installer)

I have a bunch of PCs with neither floppy nor optical drives, and  
installing multiple OSs is still doable although it can get complicated.



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Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)

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On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 09:03:15 -0400, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com  
wrote:

 On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:41 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 My usual response to worries about privacy is You *wish* you were
 important enough that anyone could be *bothered* to pay that sort of
 attention to you.  You aren't and they don't.

 http://www.osnews.com/story/27101/NSA_collects_phone_records_of_all_Verizon_customers_daily

 So?  We are discussing email, not phone calls, and I *still* don't
 care for the same reasons.  I'm not a Verizon customer, but what would
 make *my* records of interest to anyone if I were?
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Aside from that, web-based email interfaces suffer in the usability  
department compared to a decent email program anyway.

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Re: [Freedos-user] uHex - a hex editor for DOS released under GPL

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I like it. I have to ask though, when editing a large file, is there a way  
to seek to a particular offset aside from scrolling for ages? If not I  
think that would be a high priority feature to add (2nd place would  
probably be a search function).

On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:53:45 -0500, Mateusz Viste  
mate...@viste-family.net wrote:

 Hello,

 Just wanted to announce that I made this weekend a little hex viewer for
 DOS, which I released under GNU GPL. Might be of some interest to anyone
 needing to peek at binary files from time to time.

 An extract of its readme file:
 uHex is a simple and fast hex viewer for DOS. It has been written with
 care to work fast even on an 8086 CPU, providing support for large files
 (up to 2 GiB) while using minimal amounts of memory.

 http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/software/uhex/

 cheers
 Mateusz

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Re: [Freedos-user] vfd(2)

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Another DOS utility which I have used for dumping/writing floppy disk  
images is here: http://www.msxarchive.nl/pub/msx/utils/othersys/dcopy.zip

It allows for specifying drive geometry, so in the case that you are  
having trouble creating a dump because of a flaw in an unused area of the  
media, perhaps you can create a partial dump (eg. 50 out of 80 tracks)  
that still manages to capture all of the relevant data.

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:34:09 -0500, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote:

 Op 16-1-2013 6:28, kurt godel schreef:
 fdread from Feinman's createcd133, which flawlessly created an .img
 from a real floppy in the drive.
 I can actually boot this machine from a bootable floppy, yet the
 fdread utility runs to a certain percentage than stops with the
 message:disk not formatted properly.'
 That motivated use of VFD; I didn't realize VFD could edit an
 existing .img; the how-to documentation for VFD is almost non-existant.
 I'll try Bernds suggestion.TNX.

 Under Windows, WinImage is a good one. Perhaps under DOS, FreeDOS's
 DISKCOPY program would do the trick
 (DISKCOPY A: C:\FLOPPY.IMG /O /G /X )

 Not sure what the fdread program is, maybe was created before DISKCOPY.
 Some RAREAD/RAWREAD program is also an option if it exists as
 counterpart for RAWRITE.

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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:58:34 -0500, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Michael Robinson
 plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:

 So yes, if I can run hxrt on top of freedos and come up with some sort
 of packet driver for the PCI Realtek network card...  that will be legal
 and I won't have to worry about how many computers I'm setting
 up to play Warcraft II.

 No idea if Warcraft II actually runs under HX. It may not, and that
 wouldn't be a huge shock. Sad but true. Go back to Warcraft 1 (or
 similar game, search Gog.com), which actually ran on real DOS.

There may have been a Windows-specific version of Warcraft II released at  
some point? But the Warcraft II that I`m familiar with did run under plain  
DOS (well... with DOS4GW). Only the included map editor needed Windows  
(3.1 or higher) to run. And I played LAN games under DOS by setting up an  
IPX network. Check the device driver archive for the ethernet card for: a  
setup program (for configuring IRQ and I/O address, not all cards come  
with one), LSL.COM, NET.CFG, and a driver (often called IPXODI).


*snip*

 I am against abandoning or throwing out working hardware just
 because it's not the latest fad anymore. But most people want to chase
 newer tech than support older stuff. If it's old, it's automatically
 bad, but new is somehow perfect (but only for a few months!).

This is my feeling as well. The implications of buy our new version!  
because our old version was crap! seem to be lost on most.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 98SE and ipxwrapper...

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:32:18 -0500, Michael Robinson  
plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:

 Windows 98 sort of running on top of a DOS system doesn't work with
 ipxwrapper-0.4.0.  There is an error that iplphapi.dll can't be found
 or something similar.

Why do you need an ipx wrapper on win98? You can install the IPX protocol  
natively under the network control panel and DOS programs running within  
Windows will be able to use it.

 Hmm, I guess I could run 2000 instead even though the computer is only
 a K6-2 500 and I'd probably have to search for SIS 530 W2K video
 drivers.

If SIS 530 has a VESA 2.0 BIOS you could try the VBEMP universal driver.

*snip*
 I'm sure there is a dos driver for my Realtek 8139 10/100 network card.

This is quite likely. RTL8139 has drivers for everything. Even NT 3.51.  
Even Amiga.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS bootable CD image sought

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Hi, have a couple ideas for you below...

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:28:39 -0500, bruce.bowman tds.net  
bruce.bow...@tds.net wrote:

 This may be a FAQ.

 I have an old DOS program that I wrote and still want to run, but it uses
 VESA 3.0 SVGA graphics, which are not [fully] supported by later versions
 of Windoze.*

There are a couple fixes out there to make VESA modes work for DOS  
programs running within Windows (though I haven`t tried them myself).  
Search for winxpfix.zip or videoprt.zip

 The bootable CD images that I've been seeing for FreeDOS and DOS 7.1 are
 all *installation* disks that first fake a floppy drive and then load a
 bootable floppy disk image that cannot be edited.

If your program can run from a floppy, perhaps you could add it to the  
bootable image. Use a program like winimage, or write the image to a  
diskette, copy your program to it, then create a new image from there.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Serial port or USB/PCMCIA modem support

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It might be possible to get a PCMCIA card working, depending on the  
particular hardware. Most likely, you would need a set of card and socket  
services DOS drivers for your PCMCIA chipset and a true PCMCIA card  
(rather than the newer Cardbus type, which almost everyone seems to refer  
to as PCMCIA also).

On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 22:52:03 -0400, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com  
wrote:

 Hi, All.
   I have a laptop on which I would like to install Free DOS. I am,
 however, in some difficulty. The laptop has only one serial port built  
 in. I
 am in need of two such ports. The unit has a USB port and several PCMCIA
 slots, but no other serial port. If I may ask, is there any external
 hardware which provides a serial port that I could use? Alternatively,  
 does
 FreeDOS support any PCMCIA or USB modems?
   Thanks.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Networking

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The highest clock rates that were sold were 200MHz for Pentium, 233MHz for  
Pentium MMX, and 300MHz for Mobile Pentium MMX. The late mobile chips were  
made with a finer process (250nm IIRC).

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:25:01 -0400, David C. Kerber  
dker...@warrenrogersassociates.com wrote:

 Pentium definitely came in a 233MHz version, but I thought the 300MHz  
 version was Pentium II only.




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Re: [Freedos-user] Virtual floppy change problem with VirtualBox

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On Wed, 23 May 2012 14:33:00 -0400, Jack gykazequ...@earthlink.net wrote:


 Back in 1980, I told an old friend of mine about a 750K video-driver
 package which I had seen (written in C, of course!), and he noted,
 They've got GUTS, calling that a DRIVER!

Wow, that sounds familiar. Was your friend Hal Hardenberg by any chance?

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Re: [Freedos-user] USB Support

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On Fri, 04 May 2012 21:32:52 -0400, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com  
wrote:

 Well, this is an open source project.  FreeDOS users should be familiar
 with the roll your own concept of software acquisition.

 The chief engineer is leaning toward using compiled QuickBasic.  Any
 well seasoned MS-DOS veteran should be familiar with QB.  Of course you
 may well be dating yourself if you've ever actually written any QB code.


I wrote something in QB last week :)

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Re: [Freedos-user] USB Support

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On Wed, 02 May 2012 19:14:27 -0400, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com  
wrote:


 As I understand it the plan is to run DOS on an older tablet and use USB
 to interface directly with the sensors and actuators.  Hardware
 interrupts will be used as timing events to keep everything in sync with
 the engine.


Sounds like DOS would be a good choice for that sort of real-time  
application. I haven`t heard of any existing software that does this  
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Re: [Freedos-user] USB Support

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On Tue, 01 May 2012 21:16:35 -0400, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com  
wrote:

 Hey Y'all,

 Does FreeDOS provide support for USB ports?  There were no such thing as
 USB ports back in the MS-DOS days. ;-)

 My friends on the rotary engine mail list want to know so they can use
 it to control the engine ignition and fuel injection systems.  Another
 awesome use for FreeDOS.

Hi, hope you don`t mind if I ask which system it is? Were they thinking  
about running FreeDOS on the actual engine controller, or on a PC that  
interfaces with it? I have tinkered with some aftermarket engine  
electronics (MS, megajolt, ostrich) and they all used RS232 to  
communicate, but sometimes with a RS232-USB adaptor in between.


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Re: [Freedos-user] To emulate or not to emulate...

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:26:04 -0400, Michael C. Robinson  
plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:

 I want to be able to play vinyl records, I have a Hauppage PVR150 card
 connected via PCI to my P3 system.  Under Windows 2000, I can use the
 card to run my Playstation II through the monitor.  It may also be
 possible to run the record player through the soundblaster 16 PCI
 sound card.

Running the audio from a record player into a PC should be no problem,  
although you will probably need a preamp if the record player doesn`t  
already include one. I don`t know about using an SB16 PCI under DOS, but  
ISA Sound Blasters and ESS Audiodrive, etc. were pretty useful under DOS.  
I used to run a program called DSS (link on this page  
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Mediaplayers
  
)

I`ve never heard of TV cards being usable under DOS (unless you count one  
of those ancient screen grabbers like Computer Eyes or the like)


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Re: [Freedos-user] A tool for CPU-load measurement

[TJ Edmister]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:33:42 -0400, Zbigniew zbigniew2...@gmail.com  
wrote:


 This time I would compare, how much CPU time will my toy program
 need on different machines. I would to make it show, how many percent
 of CPU time was needed, if this can be possible.

 Why? Because I'm not going to make it as fast as possible - max. 50
 frames per second will do, and there's no need for more - but still
 I'm interested, how much processing power it'll need to achieve these
 50 frames. And how much will be still left for me (DX-Forth has
 multitasking support). I would to test it on my Sempron 2 GHz, and
 on... very old 386SX25.


Is your screen update syncronized with the monitor`s vertical retrace?  
There is an old trick for CPU load measurement in video game development  
where you change the screen`s background color after processing for that  
frame, and reset it at the beginning of the next frame. So when you run  
the program, and see that the color changes half-way down the screen, then  
you know that the CPU was busy for the first half of the frame until it  
caught up with the CRT beam and then it was idle for the remaining time.  
(you don`t actually need a CRT, as the video card timing will be the same  
even if the signal is actually going to an LCD)

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Re: [Freedos-user] questions on installation and acpi

[TJ Edmister]

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:47:10 -0500, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote:

 Op 17-1-2012 4:31, TJ Edmister schreef:

 I`m also wondering if it is possible to install FreeDOS onto a FAT16/32
 partition alongside Windows NT4/2K/XP and add it to the Windows boot  
 menu
 by pointing it to a file containing the FreeDOS boot sector. That is  
 how I
 keep a win98 command prompt around as an option on 2K/XP boxes. The  
 tricky
 part of course is getting that boot sector, along with the numbers in it
 that match the drive geometry. I`m assuming FreeDOS uses its own boot
 sector that is different than a DOS or win9x one, is this correct? Does  
 it
 use IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS as system files or are they called  
 something
 else?

 It's possible, but I'm not 100% sure FreeDOS won't ruin the NT
 bootloader. Think I disabled all SYS code except for offering the user a
 choice at end of installation. Getting a bootsector created by SYS is
 quite simple: SYS C: C: C:\FREEDOS.BIN /BOOTONLY
 If used as this it won't even write to the real bootsector area, but
 instead to this file C:\FREEDOS.BIN

Thanks, I was able to get this working. Since I already had a flash card  
setup with NT4 and win98, I booted to the win98 prompt, ran SYS as you  
described, copied KERNEL.SYS to C:\ and added a C:\FREEDOS.BIN=FreeDOS  
line to BOOT.INI. I also created an FDCONFIG.SYS with a SHELL= line  
pointing to the COMMAND.COM included with FD

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[Freedos-user] questions on installation and acpi

[TJ Edmister]

Greetings, I wanted to try out FreeDOS on an old laptop where I have  
replaced the HDD with a CF card. I am looking to avoid floppies/CDs  
however, so I am wondering if anyone has an image that could be written to  
the CF card that would then boot into FreeDOS. I`ve found that once I have  
a bootable CF card I can dump the whole thing to an image using a sector  
editor, and use that image to make another CF card of equal or greater  
size bootable as well. Having a bootable image available would be  
convenient for some folks, am I right?

I`m also wondering if it is possible to install FreeDOS onto a FAT16/32  
partition alongside Windows NT4/2K/XP and add it to the Windows boot menu  
by pointing it to a file containing the FreeDOS boot sector. That is how I  
keep a win98 command prompt around as an option on 2K/XP boxes. The tricky  
part of course is getting that boot sector, along with the numbers in it  
that match the drive geometry. I`m assuming FreeDOS uses its own boot  
sector that is different than a DOS or win9x one, is this correct? Does it  
use IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS as system files or are they called something  
else?

The other thing I`m curious about is how speedstep and CPU states are  
working under FreeDOS. I have another laptop which had the CPU (a  
low-voltage one that is soldered to the board!) replaced with a faster  
model. Since the BIOS wasn`t designed to support this, it always boots up  
at the default (minimum) speed. There are utilities to manipulate the CPU  
speed under Windows but I haven`t found anything that runs under DOS. I  
tried FDAPM, and got an error about unable to parse ... but  
surprisingly, using the speed argument I was able to switch it to  
something even slower (but not faster). I didn`t know a Pentium M could  
run at less than 600MHz, but when I used speed4 it seemed like it was cut  
down to half that speed. (I took this opportunity to run the old bytemark  
CPU benchmark, which normally would crash on anything 600MHz or faster due  
to a bug)

TIA...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

[TJ Edmister]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:51:36 -0500, Bob Cochran bcochra...@verizon.net  
wrote:

 Hi,

 I have an MSI brand motherboard which I need to flash to the latest
 BIOS. However, all my systems run Linux or *nix; I do not have a
 Microsoft Windows-based system for creating a bootable floppy. MSI seems
 to require a Windows or DOS-based operating system to do the BIOS
 flashing. Is there an easy way to do this with FreeDOS? I'd prefer to
 create a bootable CD that has the BIOS firmware file and *.exe flashing
 program right on it.

 I searched your Wiki and the freedos.org site for advice or an FAQ on
 this question.

 Help with this is deeply appreciated.

 Thanks

 Bob Cochran


Check whether your MSI motherboard BIOS supports booting from LAN, a.k.a.  
PXE. If so, then you can insert the BIOS update into a bootable disk image  
(using winimage or similar) and make it available via TFTP from another PC  
on the LAN. Then when you power on the MSI system it can grab the disk  
image over the network and boot it as if it were a physical floppy. More  
details here:

http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Administration/Network-Booting-via-PXE-the-Basics/2/

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