On Jan 3, 2012 7:08 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:49:45 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
Neil, is the use of sets fully documented somewhere? I don't recall
reading about them in the Handbook, but its been a while since I read
it (and don't remember if I ever
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:00:12 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
It is reasonable to assume that the answer to that question is yes.
Any other answer raises the question why did Zac spend so much effort
recoding portage just to piss off the odd user?.
Hah! Many people here are probably
On 2012-01-02 3:48 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:29:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
That works for the case where the software is managed by portage,
which is likely 99.% of what's on Gentoo systems worldwide. It
doesn't work however for the odd case where
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:49:45 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
Neil, is the use of sets fully documented somewhere? I don't recall
reading about them in the Handbook, but its been a while since I read
it (and don't remember if I ever did cover to cover)...
I can't recall where I found the
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 02:00:48 Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/02/2012 07:22 PM, Dale wrote:
I always knew I was odd. Looks like I have some company tho. Welcome
to the odd user group Michael.
It ain't us =)
Nope. It ain't just you. It's me too. ;-)
I'd rather the old default
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On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote:
Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable
through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to
uninstall anything to do that level of
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:05:56 +0100
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de wrote:
Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really
knowing what your system is running and why. Get to the root of
that and the --update thing becomes the non-issue that many of us
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On 03.01.2012 15:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:05:56 +0100 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de wrote:
Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address
really knowing what your system is running and why. Get
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:
On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote:
Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable
through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to
uninstall anything to do that level of investigation.
Michael Mol wrote:
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:
On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote:
Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable
through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to
uninstall anything to do that level
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 14:55:38 Michael Mol wrote:
Michael Mol wrote:
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:
On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote:
Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable
through the @world hierarchy needs the
Mick wrote:
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 14:55:38 Michael Mol wrote:
Michael Mol wrote:
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:
On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote:
Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable
through the @world hierarchy
Mick wrote:
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 14:55:38 Michael Mol wrote:
Michael Mol wrote:
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:
On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote:
Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable
through the @world hierarchy
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote:
Mick, yours gives me the same error:
gpg command line and output:
C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe
gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key ID 792968B6
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
Though trying
Mick wrote:
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote:
Mick, yours gives me the same error:
gpg command line and output:
C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe
gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key ID 792968B6
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
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On 03.01.2012 18:39, Mick wrote:
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote:
Mick, yours gives me the same error:
gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files
(x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03
using DSA key
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 17:52:19 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:
On 03.01.2012 18:39, Mick wrote:
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote:
Mick, yours gives me the same error:
gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files
(x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12
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Hash: SHA1
Mick wrote:
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 17:52:19 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:
On 03.01.2012 18:39, Mick wrote:
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote:
Mick, yours gives me the same error:
gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:46:42AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
So your actual problem is that you relied on an arbitrary behaviour of
portage from the days when the standard was whatever portage does
today and you are unhappy because for you that is now broken.
But no-one ever promised you
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:24:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Why would you need to take it down? All you need to do is restart
Apache after the update.
I have to test, like, 200 websites to make sure they still work.
Something /always/ breaks.
Apache was just an example. PHP is the
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 16:12:34 -0600
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Using emerge --update foo adds foo to your world file. This is
responsible for pretty much every package that incorrectly found
its way into one of my world files.
Is there any reason to desire
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:24:35 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/01/2012 07:09 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 18:07:45 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Usually it's because a world update wants to do both trivial
version bumps and replace major software
On Monday 02 Jan 2012 10:06:39 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:24:35 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/01/2012 07:09 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 18:07:45 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Usually it's because a world update wants to do
Alan McKinnon wrote:
The current behaviour is the correct and expected one - you told
portage to emerge something and it did. Why else would you emerge
something if you didn't intend it to become a permanent feature of the
system and part of world? This has always been the definition of
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:19:39 -0600
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
The current behaviour is the correct and expected one - you told
portage to emerge something and it did. Why else would you emerge
something if you didn't intend it to become a permanent feature of
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:19:39 -0600
Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
The current behaviour is the correct and expected one - you told
portage to emerge something and it did. Why else would you emerge
something if you didn't intend it to become a
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:06:32 -0600, Dale wrote:
That's why I fixed the new way to be closer to what I am used to. I
added --oneshot to my make.conf. When I really need to add something
to world, I just use --select y -nav. To me, that is a lot of extra
steps to be consistent.
You are
On 01/02/2012 05:06 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
You have a production machine delivering valuable services to multiple
users.
Therefore you must only update *anything* on it during planned
maintenance slots. If paying customers are involved then preferably
with a second redundant parallel machine
On 01/02/2012 08:36 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:06:32 -0600, Dale wrote:
That's why I fixed the new way to be closer to what I am used to. I
added --oneshot to my make.conf. When I really need to add something
to world, I just use --select y -nav. To me, that is a lot of
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 08:50:36 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
* Nobody would use --update to install a new package
Actually, that's a good reason to use --update on a single package, as
it installs a new package, but does not reinstall an existing package,
so you can emerge -u a list of
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 08:50:36 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
* Nobody would use --update to install a new package
Actually, that's a good reason to use --update on a single package, as
it installs a new package, but does not reinstall an existing package,
so you can
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 08:50:36 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 08:36 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:06:32 -0600, Dale wrote:
That's why I fixed the new way to be closer to what I am used to.
I added --oneshot to my make.conf. When I really
On 01/02/2012 10:05 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
So when the user tells portage to emerge (not merge) something it goes
in world as obviously that's what the user wanted. Presumably the user
knows what they are doing and can deal with both pieces. If the user
would rather have software hold his
On 2012-01-01 5:13 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/01/2012 05:06 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Michael Orlitzkymich...@orlitzky.com
wrote:
Using emerge --update foo adds foo to your world file. This is
responsible for pretty much every package
On 2012-01-01 6:22 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
2) I forget the -1 sometimes when I do an individual package update.
However I generally remember to go back and hand edit the world file
once a quarter or so and remove anything that isn't a real
application, etc.
How do you tell
On 01/02/2012 10:31 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
Uh-oh...
I've *never* used -1 unless I'm trying to fix a broken package by
recompiling it... I've always just used
emerge -vuDN world...
Been doing it this way for 7+ years, and never had a problem, so my
question is:
What 'harmful' thing has been
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2012-01-01 5:13 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/01/2012 05:06 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Michael Orlitzkymich...@orlitzky.com
wrote:
Using emerge --update foo
On 01/02/2012 10:35 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2012-01-01 6:22 PM, Mark Knechtmarkkne...@gmail.com wrote:
2) I forget the -1 sometimes when I do an individual package update.
However I generally remember to go back and hand edit the world file
once a quarter or so and remove anything that isn't a
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2012-01-01 6:22 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
2) I forget the -1 sometimes when I do an individual package update.
However I generally remember to go back and hand edit the world file
once a quarter
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2012-01-01 6:22 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
2) I forget the -1 sometimes when I do an individual package update.
However I generally remember to go back and hand edit the world file
once a quarter or
On 01/02/2012 11:01 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
I tell by knowing which files I want in @world. Everything in world
should be a package __I__ specifically want to use. Everything in
world (on my machines anyway) is something:
1) I'd call from the command line
2) Need to write a little software
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 11:01 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
I tell by knowing which files I want in @world. Everything in world
should be a package __I__ specifically want to use. Everything in
world (on my machines anyway) is
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com
wrote:
On 01/02/2012 11:01 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
I tell by knowing which files I want in @world. Everything in world
should be a package __I__
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 11:01 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
I tell by knowing which files I want in @world. Everything in world
should be a package __I__ specifically want to use. Everything in
world (on my machines anyway) is
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:26:02AM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/02/2012 10:05 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
So when the user tells portage to emerge (not merge) something it goes
in world as obviously that's what the user wanted. Presumably the user
knows what they are doing and can
On 01/02/2012 11:22 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
I'm not clear. You allow your server customers to modify your servers,
or what, they asked you to install stuff and now you don't know which
of them was needed and why? I'm just not clear.
They ask us to install stuff, and now we don't know which
On 01/02/2012 11:16 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
Fine for your home PC, doesn't cut it on servers. I have the following in
one of my world files:
dev-php/PEAR-Mail
dev-php/PEAR-Mail_Mime
dev-php/PEAR-PEAR
dev-php/PEAR-Structures_Graph
which of those do I want? At least one of them was
On 01/02/2012 11:25 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
Look at it this way:
with emergepackage you tell portage to install a package and add it to
world. Period. The package will be installed, no matter whether it’s at the
newest version or not. With -u, however, you tell emerge to only do the
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:35:46 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
2) I forget the -1 sometimes when I do an individual package update.
However I generally remember to go back and hand edit the world file
once a quarter or so and remove anything that isn't a real
application, etc.
How do you tell
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:33:31 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Well, travel time sucks too, but I was referring to time travel via
e.g. a time machine, in case some wise guy tried to answer well you
shouldn't have done that. =)
Ah, you mean backups, not time travel :)
--
Neil Bothwick
Mmmm,
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:09:06 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Fine for your home PC, doesn't cut it on servers. I have the following
in one of my world files:
dev-php/PEAR-Mail
dev-php/PEAR-Mail_Mime
dev-php/PEAR-PEAR
dev-php/PEAR-Structures_Graph
which of those do I want?
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 11:16 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
Fine for your home PC, doesn't cut it on servers. I have the following in
one of my world files:
dev-php/PEAR-Mail
dev-php/PEAR-Mail_Mime
dev-php/PEAR-PEAR
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:35:46 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
2) I forget the -1 sometimes when I do an individual package update.
However I generally remember to go back and hand edit the world file
once a quarter or so and
On 01/02/12 12:06, Michael Mol wrote:
That's the purpose of the emerge -p step. Presumably, you would see
that there's a package in the list that you're not comfortable with
removing, you'd decide you didn't want it removed, and you'd add it
back to your world set.
Yeah, I'm not sure I can
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:06, Michael Mol wrote:
That's the purpose of the emerge -p step. Presumably, you would see
that there's a package in the list that you're not comfortable with
removing, you'd decide you didn't want it
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:06, Michael Mol wrote:
That's the purpose of the emerge -p step. Presumably, you would see
that there's a package in the list that you're not comfortable with
removing, you'd decide you didn't want it
On 01/02/12 12:29, Mark Knecht wrote:
That works for the case where the software is managed by portage,
which is likely 99.% of what's on Gentoo systems worldwide. It
doesn't work however for the odd case where I write some little
program which requires a library (ta-lib in my portage
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:06, Michael Mol wrote:
That's the purpose of the emerge -p step. Presumably, you would see
that there's a package in the list
On 01/02/12 12:45, Michael Mol wrote:
I hope you don't take this as a kind of disrespect, but this really
feels more like administrator error than tool error. As someone else
remarked, it's portage's job to do what you tell it to do; you point
the gun, pull the trigger, it delivers the
On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote:
Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through
the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to uninstall anything
to do that level of investigation. revdep-rebuild -I is also useful,
although more historically than now.
This
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:45, Michael Mol wrote:
I hope you don't take this as a kind of disrespect, but this really
feels more like administrator error than tool error. As someone else
remarked, it's portage's job to do what
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org writes:
On 2012-01-01 6:22 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
2) I forget the -1 sometimes when I do an individual package update.
However I generally remember to go back and hand edit the world file
once a quarter or so and remove anything that
On 01/02/12 13:07, Michael Mol wrote:
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com
wrote:
On 01/02/12 12:45, Michael Mol wrote:
I hope you don't take this as a kind of disrespect, but this really
feels more like administrator error than tool error. As someone else
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/02/2012 11:25 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
Look at it this way:
with emergepackage you tell portage to install a package and add
it to
world. Period. The package will be installed, no matter whether it’s
at the
newest version or not. With -u, however, you
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:29:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
That works for the case where the software is managed by portage,
which is likely 99.% of what's on Gentoo systems worldwide. It
doesn't work however for the odd case where I write some little
program which requires a library (ta-lib
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:55:19 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
New behavior: user error permanently breaks your world file.
It is not permanently broken, that implies it would stop the system
working. It is merely damaged, and repairable. It may take a little
effort to repair, but that will help
On 01/02/2012 03:50 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:55:19 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
New behavior: user error permanently breaks your world file.
It is not permanently broken, that implies it would stop the system
working. It is merely damaged, and repairable. It may take
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:33:43 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 11:16 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
Fine for your home PC, doesn't cut it on servers. I have the
following in one of my world files:
dev-php/PEAR-Mail
dev-php/PEAR-Mail_Mime
On 01/02/2012 04:11 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
cocktail
Neil's suggestion of sets sounds like what you want here. Unfortunately
it only works smoothly on first emerge (later on you have to dig
through dep graphs to find the full dep list):
First run emerge -p to find all the packages that will be
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:11:03 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Neil's suggestion of sets sounds like what you want here. Unfortunately
it only works smoothly on first emerge (later on you have to dig
through dep graphs to find the full dep list):
As it is only used to support non-portage installs,
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:08:44 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
It is not permanently broken, that implies it would stop the system
working. It is merely damaged, and repairable. It may take a little
effort to repair, but that will help you remember to be more careful
in future.
No one has
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:18:23 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Requires time travel, not a solution!
Fine. Stick with your broken system and ignore any suggestions to either
repair the damage you have already done or to avoid future damage. Blame
it all on the portage devs and demand a refund!
On 01/02/2012 04:25 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:08:44 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
No one has offered up a way to fix it yet, or a downside to the old
behavior.
Yes they have. Remove anything in the least suspect and emerge -cp. Then
emerge -n anything listed that you
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 04:11 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
cocktail
Neil's suggestion of sets sounds like what you want here. Unfortunately
it only works smoothly on first emerge (later on you have to dig
through dep graphs to
On 01/02/2012 04:28 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:18:23 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Requires time travel, not a solution!
Fine. Stick with your broken system and ignore any suggestions to either
repair the damage you have already done or to avoid future damage. Blame
it
On 01/02/2012 04:34 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Michael Orlitzkymich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 04:11 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
cocktail
Neil's suggestion of sets sounds like what you want here. Unfortunately
it only works smoothly on first emerge (later
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 04:34 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Michael Orlitzkymich...@orlitzky.com
wrote:
On 01/02/2012 04:11 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
cocktail
Neil's suggestion of sets sounds like
On 01/02/2012 04:58 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
Ah. I must have gotten confused at So which ones can I remove?
Solutions involving time travel and/or losing customers will be
disqualified.
Sorry, this thread has gotten a little out of hand =)
I think my point was: most solutions available to me
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:33:04 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Yes they have. Remove anything in the least suspect and emerge -cp.
Then emerge -n anything listed that you need.
I don't know which ones I need, and I can't just remove them and cross
my fingers, because these are live
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 04:58 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
Ah. I must have gotten confused at So which ones can I remove?
Solutions involving time travel and/or losing customers will be
disqualified.
Sorry, this thread has
On 01/02/2012 05:41 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:33:04 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Yes they have. Remove anything in the least suspect and emerge -cp.
Then emerge -n anything listed that you need.
I don't know which ones I need, and I can't just remove them and cross
my
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:18:23 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 04:11 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
cocktail
Neil's suggestion of sets sounds like what you want here.
Unfortunately it only works smoothly on first emerge (later on you
have to dig through dep
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:08:44 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Making your software punish its users isn't going to make them more
careful, it's going to make them stop using your software. If bash
did an 'rm -rf /' when you mistyped a command[1], would you think,
gee, I
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:11:15 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
If I know that I have been careful in the past, this is not a
problem, since the contents of world will be accurate. However, I'm a
little worried that I may have forgotten --oneshot and added
PEAR-Mail by mistake
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:20:19 -0500
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael Orlitzky
mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 01/02/2012 11:01 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
I tell by knowing
On 01/02/2012 06:29 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:11:15 -0500
Michael Orlitzkymich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
If I know that I have been careful in the past, this is not a
problem, since the contents of world will be accurate. However, I'm a
little worried that I may have
On 01/02/2012 06:25 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:08:44 -0500
Michael Orlitzkymich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Making your software punish its users isn't going to make them more
careful, it's going to make them stop using your software. If bash
did an 'rm -rf /' when you
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:20:19 -0500
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael Orlitzky
mich...@orlitzky.com
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:11:15 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
How so? If anything that was not a dependency of something else was in
the world file, how could anything be removed?
I have both of these in world:
dev-php/PEAR-Mail
dev-php/PEAR-Mail_Mime
Let's say PEAR-Mail_Mime
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:49:50 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
And now finally we have Zac, a brave man who has taken on the
thankless task of sorting the mess out. Most of his deep changes over
the past two years or so are to make things consistent within the
overall grand plan.
Stuff
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:49:50 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
And now finally we have Zac, a brave man who has taken on the
thankless task of sorting the mess out. Most of his deep changes over
the past two years or so are to make things consistent within the
overall grand
On 01/02/2012 07:04 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:49:50 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
And now finally we have Zac, a brave man who has taken on the
thankless task of sorting the mess out. Most of his deep changes over
the past two years or so are to make things consistent
On 01/02/2012 07:22 PM, Dale wrote:
I always knew I was odd. Looks like I have some company tho. Welcome
to the odd user group Michael.
It ain't us =)
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:48:48 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
2. Why do you care about those specific packages in world? Do they
cause a conflict or some other large problem? Personally I'd just
leave them in world
That's the plan.
Most of these servers have been
Using emerge --update foo adds foo to your world file. This is
responsible for pretty much every package that incorrectly found its way
into one of my world files.
Is there any reason to desire the current behavior? I'd like to suggest
that it be fixed, but want to be sure I'm not just being
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Using emerge --update foo adds foo to your world file. This is
responsible for pretty much every package that incorrectly found its way
into one of my world files.
Is there any reason to desire the current behavior?
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Using emerge --update foo adds foo to your world file. This is
responsible for pretty much every package that incorrectly found its
way into one of my world files.
Is there any reason to desire the current behavior? I'd like to
suggest that it be fixed, but want to be
On 01/01/2012 05:06 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Michael Orlitzkymich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Using emerge --update foo adds foo to your world file. This is
responsible for pretty much every package that incorrectly found its way
into one of my world files.
Is there
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/01/2012 05:06 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Michael
Orlitzkymich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Using emerge --update foo adds foo to your world file. This is
responsible for pretty much every package that incorrectly found its
way
into one of
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 01/01/2012 05:06 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Michael Orlitzkymich...@orlitzky.com
wrote:
Using emerge --update foo adds foo to your world file. This is
responsible for
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