Re: [ql-users] display or convert non _scr formats to _scr

2005-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 11 Jan 2005 at 6:49, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (...) I wrote some extensions for this quite some time ago. You might want to check my download site and get the bmp converter prog for this! Alternatively, use the enclosed keywords. Sorry, I sent that before I noticed that the problem had

Re: [ql-users] display or convert non _scr formats to _scr

2005-01-11 Thread Tony Firshman
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 at 18:21:59, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) snip Now, this raises the question, why do we not have a native QL program that can convert one of the major image formats to a _scr image directly? I found tons of stuff that converts between formats plus from _SCR

Re: Re: [ql-users] Lynx 282

2005-01-11 Thread dilwyn.jones
Lynx is GPL license and you should include the source. Perhaps the answer is to unzip on a linux box, change the directory names to shorter ones and zip it up again. Probably breaks terms of licence in much the same way and certainly fouls up replacement should Jonathan update it. What I've

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread John Hall
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: There has been some talk on this list about some form of currrent directory or home directory for programs that are being executed. As far as I understand it, the purpose of such a directory is to give the program the name of the directory from which the file was

Re: Re: [ql-users] Lynx 282

2005-01-11 Thread dilwyn.jones
The answer is to create two zip files, one with the runtime version and one with the sources etc - we know the second one will not unzip on the QL properly. Then zip these two zip files together - so there is ONE download. The user can unzip on the PC and then access the runtime zip

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
Dilwyn Jones writes: We've down this road many times before, unless Marcel has new ideas to offer I don't really see the point of raising this again. Just because JRH managed to exceed 36 characters in his zip files! Not quite. Ive always lobbied for an advanced new file system. Im now

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
Marcel Kilgus writes: Im assuming that you were answering two different mails here. Forget the QPC 'hole' that got me going and lets look at path depth for SMSQ/E in general: Unfortunately directories have to be read raw, meaning that the format is limited to 36 characters. If one were to

Re: [ql-users] Lynx 282

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
Kjartan Geble Olsen writes: Norsk? But I can already hear the whining but I can't adapt my application to use the new traps as then it wouldn't be QDOS compatible anymore, so I probably just don't bother. Not trying to discourage anybody else, of course, it's just my view of things. Is

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
François Van Emelen writes: Perhaps we should have another bash at finding a solution to our debilitating filename length problem? snip Let battle commence! Per What about QVFS QDOS Virtual File System by Hans-Peter Reckenwald? François Van Emelen I did mention this (option 2) I tried it a

Re: Re: [ql-users] display or convert non _scr formats to _scr

2005-01-11 Thread dilwyn.jones
Now, this raises the question, why do we not have a native QL program that can convert one of the major image formats to a _scr image directly? I found tons of stuff that converts between formats plus from _SCR to others. The only one I found reference to was called BMP2SCR but I could not

Re: Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread dilwyn.jones
Perhaps we should have another bash at finding a solution to our debilitating filename length problem? snip Let battle commence! Per What about QVFS QDOS Virtual File System by Hans-Peter Reckenwald? François Van Emelen I did mention this (option 2) I tried it a long time ago. It

Re: Re: [ql-users] display or convert non _scr formats to _scr

2005-01-11 Thread dilwyn.jones
Now, this raises the question, why do we not have a native QL program that can convert one of the major image formats to a _scr image directly? I found tons of stuff that converts between formats plus from _SCR to others. The only one I found reference to was called BMP2SCR but I could

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 11 Jan 2005 at 10:53, John Hall wrote: (...) Conceptually, I'm not keen on this centralised approach - it seems rather too Windows-like! Since it's an item of job-specific data, couldn't it be associated with a job-specific data area or structure (e.g. put on the stack prior to

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread Malcolm Lear
Quite agree. I too have recently been driven nuts with the limitations. A new set of traps to an advanced directory system sounds good. Perhaps with a new 'CD' navigation command. I suppose the old traps could be rewritten such that older software has access to the new system to a path length

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 11 Jan 2005 at 16:24, Malcolm Lear wrote: (...) Does anyone know the history of the 36 character limit. Was it a file name length limit set before directories came about? Yes. At first the Ql didn't have directories at all. They came, unless I'm mistaken with TK II and disk interfaces

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Apart from anything else, this would maintain the self-cleaning property of the operating system... True. However, how do you get at that from basic, espacially compiled basic? Without having any personal view on the issue yet, isn't it basically the same issue as with

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 11 Jan 2005 at 17:44, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (...) Without having any personal view on the issue yet, isn't it basically the same issue as with CMD$? Does CMD$ work in compiled basic? Yes and no. (That's a true lawyes's anwer for you) No problem for Sbasic itself, of course. However, while

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Yes and no. (That's a true lawyes's anwer for you) No problem for Sbasic itself, of course. However, while CMD$ works in Qlib, this is only because Qlib has it's own CMD$ command. There is no way to have a similar home$ command in Qlib. Ah, very well. Anyway, if one now

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: --- Finally, progs executed from memory (executable things) would probably not have a home directory, unless a facility is set up whereby a default home dir is set up for programs with a certain name. Default could also be DATAD$ or whatever. - Via QPAC2. This would

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 11 Jan 2005 at 18:19, Marcel Kilgus wrote: Default could also be DATAD$ or whatever. that would defeat the wholme exercice. Why not have the user set the default? (...) Hm, the meaning of a Trap #3 depends on a specific device you've opened, not a good choice IMO. But if you do use a

Re: [ql-users] Lynx and QPC2

2005-01-11 Thread jms1
- Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: QL Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:21 AM Subject: [ql-users] Lynx and QPC2 skip To get a copy, goto www.dilwyn.uk6.net/internet/index.html or browse there from my home page of course. The idea

Re: [ql-users] Lynx 282

2005-01-11 Thread jms1
- Original Message - From: P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Lynx 282 Dilwyn Jones writes: I honestly don't believe this is useable on QPC2. Poor old Dilwyn. My commiserations (in advance) for 2005. I

Re: [ql-users] display or convert non _scr formats to _scr

2005-01-11 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Any other suggestions out there? It turns out that the software Phoebus is working on runs on Windows and is tied to Microsoft's .net stuff which I am not setup with and can't afford to install this close to QDT release. Yes,

Re: [ql-users] graphics kudos

2005-01-11 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Snip I converted the image, as described in a separate thread, to a PNG format file, used Marcel's windows program to convert that to a QL _SPR image, and then in SBASIC with the build in commands displayed it on the screen

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes clip In an indirect way, by defining the pseudo devices like DEV you can work around this to some extent in some circumstances if you are desperate. Setting the base devices for DOS to have longer Windows path names lets me

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
Or a completely different proposal: Lets take the standard job as the starting point. Dealing with QLiberated or Turboed jobs need some special treatment. When a job is first started it has a code area and a data area. If there are open channels or a command line the Basic keywords EX (and

[ql-users] Mac mini thoughts...

2005-01-11 Thread Dave P
Isn't the new mac mini everything you want in a replacement QL? What would it take for us to put together something as tidy as this? http://www.apple.com/macmini/design.html Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm

Re: [ql-users] QL shows (was QWord payment)

2005-01-11 Thread gwicks
- Original Message - From: Tony Firshman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL shows (was QWord payment) I meant Bill let -us- know when his favourite m/c shows are - preferably late next year or 2006. I appreciate that, but we are now

Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book?

2005-01-11 Thread gwicks
- Original Message - From: John Gilpin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book? In my copy there is a preface to the second edition dated 19th July 1989 and at the foot of that page there is a Copyright Notice As of

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Rich Mellor
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:00:37 -, P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or a completely different proposal: Lets take the standard job as the starting point. Dealing with QLiberated or Turboed jobs need some special treatment. When a job is first started it has a code area and a data area. If

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Rich Mellor wrote: I prefer this type of approach as it would ensure that the home directory (or whatever) would be removed together with the job. If the job uses the thing, the thing is informed when the job dies. Even if not, one could allocate the necessary memory on behalf of the job and

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Default could also be DATAD$ or whatever. that would defeat the wholme exercice. Why that? It's just a fallback solution if otherwise no other directory can be provided (none set). Hm, the meaning of a Trap #3 depends on a specific device you've opened, not a good

Re: [ql-users]Long file directory Trees

2005-01-11 Thread jms1
I have not used the path rext but if it worked like path in MSDOS or Unix vatriants it would solve a lot of problems. A Path could be set up to cover all your program directories and then a program will able to find its help, configurration or other files because it will be in the path. Data$

[ql-users] BMP files etc

2005-01-11 Thread Dilwyn Jones
I've updated the Graphics page on my software download site to include the BMP and QL high colour screen conversion and other graphical utilities as I mentioned earlier today. The upload includes a copy of the article from Vol 8 Issue 3 of QL Today and the SBASIC listings showing how to

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:42:37 -, P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut The recent questionnair should be able to answer the question: What percentage of QLers use both Qdos AND hard disks [HDD] (a small percentage I would

Re: [ql-users] display or convert non _scr formats to _scr

2005-01-11 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Have you got the improved Norman Dunbar software - which is called 'Snatch-IT' I believe ? ... although I could be wrong with the name. It was originally developed for QDOS, but Norman modified it to work under QPC so that higher pixel count images could be 'snatched' from the screen. You

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Dilwyn Jones
2) The bigger problem and one which is harder to address... How do you decide what is the home directory of a file called win1_basic_exts_turbo_config_exe I guess the code which sets up the job would have to look at each of the levels before the underscore to see if they were set up as a

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
Rich Mellor writes: It would not be difficult to stack the home directory on top of that again thus: Home directory Command string Channel ID Channel ID number of channel IDs Data area At present (a6,a5) point to the top of the data area. This could now be the

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
Marcel Kilgus writes: If the job uses the thing, the thing is informed when the job dies. Even if not, one could allocate the necessary memory on behalf of the job and therefore it would get freed along with the job. So far I think I'd prefer that over any stack hack, but I haven't

Re: [ql-users]Long file directory Trees

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
jms1 writes: I have not used the path rext but if it worked like path in MSDOS or Unix vatriants it would solve a lot of problems. A Path could be set up to cover all your program directories and then a program will able to find its help, configurration or other files because it will be in

Re: [ql-users] I'm home, dear.

2005-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 11 Jan 2005 at 22:19, Rich Mellor wrote: (...) 1) Older programs which would expect (a6,a5) to point to the command string at the top of the data area. If we were to adopt this scheme, then a lot of existing programs would immediately not be able to get at any parameters passed to

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
I have a question here. Currently, the way directories are handled is by making a directory a somewhat special file (file type -1, IIRC). Apart from that, though,a directory ia a simple file that can be accessed more or less like any file. Directories contain an entry per file referenced in

Re: [ql-users] BMP files etc

2005-01-11 Thread James Hunkins
Hi Dilwyn, I don't think that I see the changes. Am I blind or did they not actually get uploaded yet? Thanks, jim On Jan 11, 2005, at 4:08 PM, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I've updated the Graphics page on my software download site to include the BMP and QL high colour screen conversion and other