Re: Do philosophy departments violate the Constitution?

2004-01-28 Thread marty . lederman
In Mark's hypo the philosophy departments, and the teachers who speak within it, are state actors. The question, then, is not whether exclusion of a certain viewpoint from faculty speech would violate the free speech clause (the clause that UVa was held to have violated in Rosenberger);

Re: Axson-Flynn

2004-02-04 Thread Marty Lederman
Sandy, the Tenth Circuit opinion does not suggest that your hypo would state a claim -- to the contrary. The court's opinion explains in great detail why a school has the authority to require students to fullfill curricular requirements, and why that does not make out a "compelled speech"

Re: Fuck the Draft

2004-02-09 Thread Marty Lederman
When Mel Nimmer stood up to argue on Cohen's behalf, Burger immediately instructed him as follows: "Mr. Nimmer, you may proceed whenever you're ready. I might suggest to you that . . . the Court is thoroughly familiar with the factual setting of this case and it will not benecessary for

Bottom-Side Briefs in Newdow

2004-02-14 Thread Marty Lederman
I've posted to SCOTUSblogthe respondent's briefand some of the briefs for amici on behalf of the respondent, all of which were filed yesterday,in No. 02-1624, Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow, the case involving the constitutionality of including the words "under God" in the

Re: Locke v. Davey

2004-02-25 Thread Marty Lederman
7-2, with dissents from Scalia and Thomas - Original Message - From: Marty Lederman To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: Locke v. Davey Ninth Circuit reversed, in an opinion by the Chief! Details

Re: Locke v. Davey -- the Equal Protection Question

2004-02-25 Thread Marty Lederman
that the FEC permits? - Original Message - From: Marty Lederman To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Locke v. Davey Here's the opinion: http://supct.law.cornell.edu:8080/supct/html/02-1315.ZS.html

Re: Locke v. Davey -- Blaine Amendments

2004-02-26 Thread Marty Lederman
I greatly appreciate Rick's gracious and thoughtful response. I hope that when he returns to South Bend he'll be able to fill us in further on this question. Rick's principal argument with respect to the "No public money" provision of article 11, section 1 appears to be that "the provision

Re: Locke v. Davey and expanded free exercise rights

2004-02-26 Thread Marty Lederman
I agree with Marci that the precedental force of Lukumi has taken a serious hit. But I don't think it's quite as severe as she suggests. For one thing, it seems clear that Lukumi would continue to prohibit religious discrimination, even absent proof of animus or hostility,where the state

Potentially Important California State Case

2004-03-01 Thread Marty Lederman
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/S099822.PDF California generally requires employers providing health insurance to their employees to ensure that such insurance covers the costs of contraception. California has enacted a limited religious accommodation that exempts certain

Re: Potentially Important California State Case

2004-03-01 Thread Marty Lederman
Marci: I did not say that all statute-specific accommodations are unconstitutional. Far from it. I think, for instance, that the title VII exemption at issue in Amos is constitutional (at least as applied to nonprofit employers), as are the peyote exemptions, as is the post-Goldman military

New News on Lee v. Weisman

2004-03-03 Thread Marty Lederman
Linda Greenhouse's initial review of Justice Blackmun's papers -- http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/04/politics/04BLAC.html?hp-- reveals that Justice Kennedy was originally the author of a 5-4 decision upholding the school prayer in Lee, but after several months he conceded that his "draft

Davey v. Locke

2004-03-09 Thread Marty Lederman
Excellent, concise summary provided by Chip Lupu and Bob Tuttle at http://www.religionandsocialpolicy.org/legal/legal_update.cfm?id=23#fnB6. I would add to it only a minor elaboration. Chip and Bob conclude -- correctly, in my view -- that after Davey the only state exclusions of religion

Re: Religious history school projects

2004-03-11 Thread Marty Lederman
See generally Kent Greenawalt, Teaching About Religion in the Public Schools, 18 J.L. Pol. 329 (2003); Jay D. Wexler, Preparing for the Clothed Public Square: Teaching About Religion, Civic Education, and the Constitution, 43 Wm. Mary L. Rev. 1159 (2002). - Original Message -

Re: Perlocutionary and Illocutionary Speech Acts

2004-03-18 Thread Marty Lederman
And an indispensible text discussing this distinction in the context of the Free Speech Clause is Kent Greenawalt's Speech, Crime, and the Uses of Language. - Original Message - From: Berg, Thomas C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Newdow Oral Argument Transcript

2004-04-07 Thread Marty Lederman
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/02-1624.pdf - Original Message - From: Rick Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Law Religion issues for Law Academics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: under God Is the

Cert. Petition in RLUIPA Case

2004-04-08 Thread Marty Lederman
It appears that Virginia has petitioned from the CTA4 decision in Madison v. Riter. http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story165342.html. Does anyone have the cert. petition? If so, please post it (or a link). Presumably the petition is predicated on the circuit split caused by Cutter v.

Re: Cert. Petition in RLUIPA Case

2004-04-08 Thread Marty Lederman
to seek cert., and/or whether the plaintiffs in Bass will oppose cert. on the first question presented? - Original Message - From: Marty Lederman To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Cert. Petition in RLUIPA Case

Re: Religionlaw Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9

2004-04-11 Thread Marty Lederman
No, definitely *not* what anyone would want happening to them! - Original Message - From: Lawrence VanDyke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: RE: Religionlaw Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 Hey Mark - I subscribe to the UCLA religion and

Re: FYI An Interesting Case

2004-04-11 Thread Marty Lederman
May I respectfully suggest that we put an end to this thread? There has been a lot of heat, virtually no light, no one changing or affecting anyone else's views, at least two inadvertant private posts accidently sent to the list, etc. (This is not meant as directed especially to Rick; his simply

Re: HAnsen v. Ann Arbor Public Schools 293 FSupp2d 780

2004-04-20 Thread Marty Lederman
Footnote 17 of the Repondents' Brief in Hurley, which speaks for itself and which fully explains the ACLU's state-action argument: FN17. One amicus, the American Civil Liberties Union, argues that the state courts did not fully explore the way in which the City's longstanding pattern

Re: 11th Circuit Holds RLUIPA . . . *constitutional*

2004-04-21 Thread Marty Lederman
Uh, that should be constitutional.And it's a section 2(b)(1) case, too -- probably the mostdifficult subsection to justify under section 5. - Original Message - From: "Michael MASINTER" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Law Religion issues for Law Academics" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Cert. Petition in RLUIPA Case

2004-04-23 Thread Marty Lederman
until the SG files briefs for the Respondent United States. If such briefs are filed by May 28th, then the Court will act on the petition(s) this Term (i.e.,on or before June 28th). - Original Message - - Original Message - From: Marty Lederman To: Law Religion

Re: Scalia disavows Boerne

2004-05-17 Thread Marty Lederman
Well, I agree that Justice Scalia's disavowal of theBoerne "proportionality and congruence" test -- and his proposal to further eviscerate section 5 in all but race-discrimination cases -- is interesting, in a "how low can he go?" sort of way. But it's hardly the most important news of the

Re: Baptisms in rivers located in public parks?

2004-05-24 Thread Marty Lederman
1. I assume, Eugene, that you meant to write "Following Locke v. Davey, is it unconstitutional for the government to say that 'religious activity is specifically prohibited'?" If the answer to that question is "yes," I don't think it's because of the Widmar/Lamb's Chapel line of cases.

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Marty Lederman
What would be the conceivable state interest in imposing such a targeted tax? Assuming there is no legitimate interest in singling out "theology from a devotional perspective,"the classification would violate the Equal Protection Clause, and presumably the Free Exercise Clause as well, per

Re: Lane v. Tennessee

2004-05-28 Thread Marty Lederman
life accessible to a historically marginalized population. - Original Message - From: Samuel Bagenstos To: Marty Lederman ; Law Religion issues for Law Academics ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Lane v. Tennessee I think there is more

Re: Gay Activists Threaten Church Tax-Exempt Status

2004-06-03 Thread Marty Lederman
Title: Gay  Activists Threaten Church Tax-Exempt Status This appears to be the hot-button issue of the day, what with today's New York Times front-page story about Bush's attempt to use churches for electioneering (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/03/politics/campaign/03CHUR.html?hp), and the

Re: Gay Activists Threaten Church Tax-Exempt Status

2004-06-03 Thread Marty Lederman
I'm a bit unclear on one part of Doug's post. Are you saying, Doug, (i) that the church is differently situated because, unlike secular nonprofits, it can't (or realistically won't be able to) set up an affiliate through which to engage in political speech (if so, why is that true?), or,

Reply Brief in Bass v. Madison (RLUIPA case)

2004-06-09 Thread Marty Lederman
Virginia Reply Brief in RLUIPA Case Virginia has filed its Reply Brief in support of its petition in No. 03-1404, Bass v. Madison, arguing that the Court should grant certiorari not only on the question of the Establishment Clause challenge to RLUIPA (a question that both the

New Legislation on Church Tax-Exempt Status

2004-06-09 Thread Marty Lederman
From today's Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26244-2004Jun8?language=printer): House Republican leaders have tacked on to a major jobs bill a provision that would give religious leaders more freedom to engage in partisan politics without endangering the tax-exempt

The President and the Pope

2004-06-14 Thread Marty Lederman
Assuming that the news reports of the President's plea to the Vatican are accurate, see, e.g., http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_06_13.php#003064(President allegedly asked for the Vatican's help in encouraging the U.S. bishops to be more outspoken"on the cultural front"),

Newdow

2004-06-14 Thread Marty Lederman
Justice Stevens wrote the Opinion of a five-Justice Court, reversing the decision of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit on standing grounds. Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices O'Connor and Thomas each wrote opinions concurring in the judgment, concluding that Newdow did have

Re: The President and the Pope

2004-06-14 Thread Marty Lederman
I don't wish to become entangled in this increasingly ad hominem debate; andI suppose I regret starting the thread, seeing as how the question appears to have been willfully misconstrued and turned to other ends. But for what it's worth, I think it should be quite obvious from my prior

Re: The Merits in Newdow

2004-06-14 Thread Marty Lederman
://www.goldsteinhowe.com/blog/files/Newdow%20Final%20Brief.pdf-- that if Lee v. Weisman was correctly decided, then public schools may not lead students in daily recitation of the words "under God." Thomas, however, would overrule Lee. - Original Message - From:

Re: The Merits in Newdow

2004-06-14 Thread Marty Lederman
ly recitation of the words "under God." Thomas, however, would overrule Lee. - Original Message - From: "Marty Lederman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "David Cruz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [E

Re: The President and the Pope

2004-06-14 Thread Marty Lederman
In the category of being hoist by one's own petard: A friendly reader notes that I, too, misspelled "berserk." J My sincerest apology. - Original Message - From: Marty Lederman To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:52 PM

Tushnet on Newdow

2004-06-14 Thread Marty Lederman
Mark apparently wanted to recollect what it's like to take a law-school exam: He just finished parrying 26 Questions (many of them with mulitple subparts!) on Newdow in one hour, in a public QA on the Washington Post website:

Re: Cert. Petitions in RLUIPA Prison Cases

2004-06-30 Thread Marty Lederman
Term. This appears to mean that for at least the remainder of this year, section 3 of RLUIPA will, in effect, be inoperative in prisons in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee. - Original Message - From: Marty Lederman To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Sent

Child Evangelism Fellowship v. Montgomery County -- the View from Montgomery County

2004-07-01 Thread Marty Lederman
Sorry: The font on that post came through garbled for some reason. Here it is again. I agree with Eugene that there’s not much of a “compelled speech” problem here, for reasons the Court explained in Southworth. (Of course, it’s not quite as easy as that, because of cases such as Dale,

Re: Child Evangelism Fellowship v. Montgomery County -- the View from Montgomery County

2004-07-05 Thread Marty Lederman
I agree with Doug that unconstrained discretion to discriminate on the basis of viewpoint would be problematic. And Doug, who filed an amicus brief in the case, presumably knows more than I about the way in which the SchoolDistrict's policy was implemented "on the ground." Perhaps the

FL Voucher Program -- Where's the Free Exercise Issue?

2004-08-17 Thread Marty Lederman
I find this Florida case befuddling in an important respect -- Why is the Free Exercise/Locke v. Davey question even at issue on appeal? 1. The Florida Legislature enacted a voucher plan that applies to religious and non-religious schools alike. 2. The Circuit Court found that, because

Re: Cert granted in Cutter

2004-10-12 Thread Marty Lederman
What's remarkable is that the Court did exactly the opposite of what the SG urged -- it granted in Cutter and held in Bass v. Madison. Therefore not onlymust defenders of the statutefile their briefs topside, but they must address all of the constitutional arguments-- Commerce andSpending,

Re: Cert granted in Cutter

2004-10-13 Thread Marty Lederman
arguments "must" be addressed topside.) The SG had urged the Court to hold Cutter, and to deny cert. on the Commerce and Spending questions in Bass, precisely in order to avoid this scenario and to focus the case on the EC question. - Original Message - From: Mart

Re: Pamphlets at School

2004-11-05 Thread Marty Lederman
Marc's question was not whether the school could prohibit distribution of religious literature; as I understand it, it was whether the school could prohibit literature distributors from targeting Jewish students as the audience for the literature, regardless of its content. I think the

Pamphlets at School

2004-11-05 Thread Marty Lederman
Eugene and Marc are, of course,correct: The case is not quite as simple as I suggested. Let me try to break down the questions they raise: 1. Could a state prohibit private discrimination "on a public sidewalk" generally? Well, no legislature would ever do so, because we are nowhere near

Re: Pamphlets at School

2004-11-05 Thread Marty Lederman
Well, I don't disagree with the Court's recent decisions that proselytizing should receive as much free speech protection, as a doctrinal matter, as other forms of attempted persuasion. And I certainly do not think that an "endeavor should get less protection becausethe subject of the

Doug Laycock on Newdow and Davey

2004-11-12 Thread Marty Lederman
Doug's Harvard Comment on Newdow and Davey is now available online at http://www.harvardlawreview.org/issues/118/1_laycock.pdf. I haven't read it yet, but in light of Doug's amicus briefs in both cases (as well as his contributions to this list regarding both of them), I'm willing to wager

Florida Voucher Decision

2004-11-13 Thread Marty Lederman
If I understandTom's post correctly, he agrees with the majority in the Florida casethat there is no FreeExercise violation here because Florida (i.e., the state courts, construing the legislature's intent as to "severability") is nottreating religious schools unfavorably vis-a-vis

Re: Florida Voucher Decision

2004-11-13 Thread Marty Lederman
ould also require the closure of forums in many cases where the excluded perspective was not religious? In other words, do you agree that the Florida court's rationale could cut a very wide swath through the previous equal-access logic of "accept the excluded group or close the forum altogeth

SG Application for Stay of Hoasca Tea Injunction

2004-12-02 Thread Marty Lederman
I've posted the following notice on SCOTUSblog: http://www.goldsteinhowe.com/blog/archive/2004_11_28_SCOTUSblog.cfm#110202070029645176. Temporary Stay of Injunction in "Hoasca Tea" Case Three weeks ago, the en banc U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit

Church of Body Modification Case.

2004-12-06 Thread Marty Lederman
Actually, I see no reason at all to think that this religion is in any way bogus -- any more than mainstream religions with which we are much more familiar. More to the point, it need not be an actual established "religion," as such, in order to be protected by title VII's religious

Re: Steven Williams Case

2004-12-06 Thread Marty Lederman
In very brief: Under the "government speech" doctrine, a state may require its teachers, in their official capacities (i.e., while teaching), to hue to the state's prescribed curriculum. This is the majority view in the courts of appeals -- that there is no Free Speech Clause right of

Re: Steven Williams Case

2004-12-06 Thread Marty Lederman
t Nam era, but I do not remember recent case law to this effect. But then they say that recent memory always goes first / Marc Stern From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marty Lederman Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004

SG Brief in Ten Commandments Case

2004-12-08 Thread Marty Lederman
The Acting SG has filed a brief in support of the display of the Ten Commandments in the case arising from McCreary County, Kentucky: http://goldsteinhowe.com/blog/files/McCreary.03-1693.Brief.pdf ___ To post, send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Court DENIES SG Application for Stay of Hoasca Tea Injunction!

2004-12-11 Thread Marty Lederman
stay of injunction or, in the alternative, to recall and stay the mandate presented to Justice Breyer and by him referred to the Court is denied. The temporary stay entered December 1, 2004, is vacated."There was no indication of any dissent.[Addendum from Marty Lede

Re: charitable choice hypothetical

2004-12-23 Thread Marty Lederman
A complicated question, I think, Alan. I assume, in your hypo, that the state is simply paying for the cost of bus service, right? -- not actually providing the service through the auspices of a state-run transporation outfit. Because if the bus driver were actually an employee of the

Re: charitable choice hypothetical

2004-12-23 Thread Marty Lederman
Thanks for the links, Mark. I'm sure that many of us will have disagreements with some of the substance of the book, but I can say right away and without reservation that the appendices alone make it well worth one's time and paper-costs to download if you're at all interested in this issue.

Re: charitable choice hypothetical

2004-12-23 Thread Marty Lederman
Well, I suppose the reasons that there is "no conventional Establishment Clause basis for objecting to my hypotheticals" are that (i) I can't imagine anyone actually suggesting that state staffing decisions be made on the basis of religion and (ii) thatit seems clear that it would be

Re: charitable choice hypothetical

2004-12-26 Thread Marty Lederman
I think I now see what Alan's getting at -- namely, that he's testing thelegitimacy (or adequacy) of thecurrent state-action doctrine. This is something that Martha Minow, and very few others, have been examining lately. Thepuzzle is something like this: 1. At time A, the state performs

Re: charitable choice hypothetical

2004-12-26 Thread Marty Lederman
Please excuse the egregious typos scattered throughout this post (especially where I "hold my breadth"!)-- I was simply too lazy to proofread this morning, which ought to teach me a lesson. - Original Message - From: Marty Lederman To: Marty Lederman ; Law

Re: The Amish

2005-01-01 Thread Marty Lederman
A link to the Labi article: http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2005/feature_labi_janfeb05.html - Original Message - From: Sanford Levinson To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: RE: The Amish

Ministerial Exception

2005-02-11 Thread Marty Lederman
Very interesting set of concurrences and dissents in today's CTA9 denial of an en banc petition in a ministerial exception case: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/9C615790509C87F488256FA500055365/$file/0235805o.pdf?openelement ___ To

21st Century Zorach

2005-02-16 Thread Marty Lederman
Dahlia Lithwick in Slate on current released-time programs in Virginia and elsewhere: http://slate.msn.com/id/2113611/. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit recently upheld a New York released time program, on the authority of Zorach, even though the children remaining in the

Re: 21st Century Zorach

2005-02-18 Thread Marty Lederman
If I may, this is how Chip described his grade-school program in his George Washington article on accommodation: In his public school in Albany, when Patty H. "scooped up her blue-and-white paper-covered catechism and headed for religious instruction at St. Theresa's of Avila, a parochial

Re: 21st Century Zorach

2005-02-18 Thread Marty Lederman
A small clarification: The Constitution does not, as such, prohibit the teaching in publicschools of most "values" that are central to, and derived from,religion.See, e.g., Bowen v. Kendrick, 487 U.S. at 612-13, 621. What it prohibits are"specifically religious activities," id. at 621,

Ten Commandments

2005-03-01 Thread Marty Lederman
The Pew Forum has posted the trancscript of their recent "event" with Doug Laycock and Jay Sekulow on tomorrow's two Ten Commandments cases: http://pewforum.org/events/index.php?EventID=69 I haven't read through the whole thing, but Doug's opening presentation is terrific -- would make for

Re: Ten Commandments

2005-03-01 Thread Marty Lederman
Hey, I'm simply trying to prompt worthwhile conversation -- please feel free to answer whichever questions you think are most interesting! - Original Message - From: Richard Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu; Law Religion

Van Orden Transcript

2005-03-04 Thread Marty Lederman
http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/2005/03/transcripts_in_1.html Transcript(s) in Ten Commandments Cases 03:45 PM | Marty Lederman | Comments (1) | TrackBack (0) The Associated Press has posted an earlier-than usual transcript of Wednesday's oral argument in the Texas Ten

Re: Van Orden Transcript

2005-03-04 Thread Marty Lederman
And here's the McCreary County transcript: http://wid.ap.org/documents/scotus/050302mccrearycounty.pdf - Original Message - From: Marty Lederman To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Van Orden Transcript http

Ten Commandments Cases

2005-03-05 Thread Marty Lederman
Jack Balkin's prediction: http://balkin.blogspot.com/2005/03/my-prediction-on-ten-commandments-case.html ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see

Harm to Others as a Factor in Accommodation Doctrine

2005-03-11 Thread Marty Lederman
As usual, it appears that we will not be able to change one another's minds w/r/t the question whether piecemeal legislative accommodations are superior to, or more constitutionally acceptablethan, judicial accommodations pursuant to a general statutory mandate. (And we're certainly not

Re: Harm to Others as a Factor in Accommodation Doctrine

2005-03-14 Thread Marty Lederman
The caselaw and legislative history are fairly clear -- and uniform, as far as I know-- in holding to the contrary. The general right of churches to insist that their employees share the church's religious beliefs cannot be used to circumvent the other prohibitions of title VII. For

Wieseltier on the Ten Commandments Cases

2005-03-15 Thread Marty Lederman
A terrific essay in the New Republic: http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050321s=diarist032105 ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see

Re: American Jewish Congress v. Corp. for National Community Service

2005-03-16 Thread Marty Lederman
I think that Chip and Bob's analysis is pitch-perfect. The most questionable part about the program -- aside from a serious statutory issue that AJC apparently dropped because of standing concerns -- has always been the $400 grants to Notre Dame. For the reasons Chip and Bob explain, I'm

Re: Harm to others -- Please don't forget accommodations

2005-03-18 Thread Marty Lederman
purposes, but strays into the EC when it's for recreational purposes. This, of course, does not answer all questions re: accommodation, but it is my view that it is the appropriate framework. Marci-Original Message-From: Marty Lederman [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Law Religion issues

Re: Harm to others -- Please don't forget accommodations

2005-03-18 Thread Marty Lederman
Bobby: Agreed! I would note in this regard, however, that however the difficult cases might be decided, even as eloquent a proponent of permissive accommdation as Michael McConnell conceded (60 G.W. L. Rev. 685) that certain tangible "harms" to third parties could render an exemption

Re: Harm to others -- Please don't forget accommodations

2005-03-18 Thread Marty Lederman
ail/religionlaw/1998-December/013877.html(Dwyer) http://lists.ucla.edu/pipermail/religionlaw/1998-December/013883.html(McConnell) http://lists.ucla.edu/pipermail/religionlaw/1998-December/013884.html(Lederman) It actually goes on quite a ways from there . . . - Original Message ---

Harm to others and religious accommodations

2005-03-26 Thread Marty Lederman
rest. If shifting costs -- even "distinct costs" -- is an inevitable part of accommodating interests, then some such shifting has to be allowed if religious conscience is to be given the importance that the Free Exercise Clause implies. That suggests, at the least, a weighing of the re

Re: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread Marty Lederman
I think this might be a very important case -- or, at the least, an omen ofthings to come, in a range of cases involving charitable choice, school vouchers, etc. Indeed, it's the classic "Wiccan" hypo -- that many of us have been invoking, and wondering about, in various discussions of

Re: Locke v. Davey follow-up

2005-05-03 Thread Marty Lederman
"Finally, as to looking to the principles actually used by the Court, I would have thought that we ought to ask them to be logical -- perhaps not perfectly crisp and clear in all instances, but still generally logical." Eugene, Eugene: Surely you jest. Don't forget to take a look at the

Re: Locke v. Davey follow-up

2005-05-03 Thread Marty Lederman
Eugene: Could you clarify your hypo just a bit to address Doug's question?: Is your "no religion" restriction imposed only on the government funds, or is there (as in Davey, Rust, Sabri, etc.) a broader, "segregation"restriction on the recipient's use of her own funds, on the theory that

Re: Locke v. Davey follow-up

2005-05-03 Thread Marty Lederman
Title: Message Just curious: If the opinion is intentionally "underreasoned" in order to (i) keep the Court's docket running smoothly; and (ii) readily bring on board seven votes; and (ii) leave open for further cases those difficult questions -- not presented in the case itself -- that

Religious Perspectives on Homosexuality in Public Schools

2005-05-06 Thread Marty Lederman
[CROSS-POSTED TO CONLAWPROF AND RELIGIONLAW] My own school district, in Montgomery County, Maryland, recently instituted a new sex education curriculum for the 8th and 10th grades,which was to begin in six pilot schools yesterday. A federal judge issued a TRO enjoining the curriculum

More Discrimination Against Wiccans

2005-05-26 Thread Marty Lederman
According to this article (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050526/NEWS01/505260481),an Indiana judge has prohibited a pair of divorced parents from exposing their 9-year-old son to Wiccan beliefs and rituals. Both parentspractice Wicca, and both strongly oppose the

Re: More Discrimination Against Wiccans

2005-05-26 Thread Marty Lederman
Subject: Re: More Discrimination Against Wiccans Marty Lederman wrote: According to this article (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050526/NEWS01/505260481),an Indiana judge has prohibited a pair of divorced parents from exposing their 9-year-old son

Re: More Discrimination Against Wiccans

2005-05-26 Thread Marty Lederman
e cases? Marci In a message dated 5/26/2005 10:54:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marty Lederman wrote: According to this article (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

Re: More Discrimination Against Wiccans

2005-05-27 Thread Marty Lederman
Now, this is interesting -- interject the Wiccans into the picture, and all of a suddenEugene starts sounding a lot more like me (as opposed to, say, Justice O'Connor) when it comes to the questions of "neutrality" and "endorsement." This appears to be quite a change from his perspective in

RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
Details to follow. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
Justice Ginsburg wrote the opinion. There's a separate Thomas concurrence. More to follow. - Original Message - From: Marty Lederman To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
Well, this has been the paradox in Free Exercise Clause law all along, hasn't it?: That the Court articulated a strict scrutiny test in Sherbert/Yoder, but never came anywhere close to applying such a test in the free-exercise context: The government virtually always won, by hook or by

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
My SCOTUSblog post on the decision. I welcome suggestions -- and encourage responses in the "Comments" section of theblog. http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/2005/05/cutter_v_wilkin.html Cutter v. Wilkinson 11:54 AM | Marty Lederman | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)

Whither Lemon?

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
I think it's been clear for a long while that when the Court cites theLemon test, it's almost an afterthought -- a pro forma doctrinal appendage or a fig leaf. (This was especially true in Amos, I think.)That's why many folks who brief these cases to the Court -- Doug and I included --

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
I didn't intend to suggest anything otherwise -- I believe we're in agreement, and apologize for any confusion. Where we might disagree is on the question of whether "strict" scrutiny was ever all-that-strict in Free Exercise/RFRA/RLUIPA law. - Original Message - From:

Deportation and other burdens on religion

2005-06-17 Thread Marty Lederman
. . . or what if -- just hypothetically, of course -- the federal government systematically and specifically exploited religious fears, sensitivities and obligations of persons of a particular religion in order to degrade them and thereby coerce them to talk during interrogations, such as,

Re: Government displays protesting against the Supreme Court'sEstablishment Clause jurisprudence

2005-07-07 Thread Marty Lederman
"not implausible"? OK, so imagine that certain public elementary and secondary schools, notwithstanding Engle and Schempp and Santa Fe, continue to engage in prayer before classes and football games (indeed, I've been told that such practices do, in fact,continue in many school districts,

RE: Free speech for chaplains

2005-07-12 Thread marty . lederman
Of course, this isn't a context in which religious tests can be eliminated altogether. (Query: Why isn't it therefore a violation of article VI?) But the military clergy hiring must be nondenominational, i.e., made without sectarian discrimination. (But cf. the recent Simpson Wiccan

RE: Government displaysprotestingagainsttheSupremeCourt's Establi shment Clausejurisprudence

2005-07-12 Thread marty . lederman
Yes, that's right, Mark. I do not mean to be referring to "religious motivation," but instead to be referring to a "but for" objective of promoting [expressly] [specifically] [uniquely] [your adjective here] religious actvities/beliefs/doctrines. Of course this is a very fluid concept -- but the

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-19 Thread marty . lederman
Jim: The proper adjective is Democratic, as in Democratic Party. (But then, you probably already knew that.) Sorry for the lecture, but this is a hobbyhorse of mine: The lockstep use of Democrat as an adjective is not only juvenile, and grating on the ears, it's also quite literally

RE: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-21 Thread marty . lederman
Actually, I don't think giving or taking offense has much to do with it (although offense certainly is taken). Indeed, Republic Party folks aren't even addressing their Democratic counterparts when they use the adjective: They're addressing the public, and they couldn't care less how we

Is Roberts a Strict Constructionist?

2005-07-25 Thread marty . lederman
Constitutional protections . . . should not depend merely on a strict construction that may allow 'technicalities of form to dictate consequences of substance.' As the Court remarked in the leading contract clause case of this century [Blasidell], 'where constitutional grants and limitations

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