and, to bring the thread full-circle and kick a dead horse... saw this
today.
http://cgmemes.blogspot.com/2012/09/best-particles-system-ever.html
, 2012 7:03 AM
To: Maurice Patel; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: In case you missed it.
+1000 to everyone for turning this thread into something constructive!
I love you all!
...and yeah, I am two hours early for work :/
/Thomas
Maurice Patel
, September 13, 2012 6:26 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: In case you missed it..
I agree.
I don't know about anybody else, but I could care less about demo reels.
The only time I see them is when I'm at a user group or waiting for a
product demonstration to begin, and since
Forever alone!
don't know wether to laugh or cry at this :s
On 14 September 2012 01:24, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com wrote:
For some fun since its Friday in OZ:
http://cgmemes.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/proud-but-lonely.html?spref=tw
Eric
: 14 September 2012 01:08
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: In case you missed it..
Yes and no.
I think most of the demos I've seen dance around the elephant in the room.
Nobody takes it head on and do the hard sell through information. My greatest
disappointment is I feel I
I always wondered what that meme was. Now I know it's me :(
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote:
Forever alone!
don't know wether to laugh or cry at this :s
On 14 September 2012 01:24, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com wrote:
For some fun since its
: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:54 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
I find it amazing that XSI, once considered the laughingstock of the dcc
animation apps with respect to its particle system is now surviving mostly
because of the strength of its particle system
It's definitely true about big companies writing their own software. From a
rigging standpoint, Maya has some good things but is definitely outdated
and unintuitive, and I'm not so fan of Softimage anymore as I used to be in
the old times. Requirements have changed, not softwares (excluding ICE).
1:13 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
So Maurice,
A brave effort with your rhetoric but sadly the results you achieved are
letting you down. It is exactly what we did not expect or *were used
to*before you are your crew took it upon yourselves
...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kiril Aronofski
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:33 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
In fact, if you check, this is exactly how we do market it:
(www.autodesk.com
It aint my fault Oddball Ive had nothing but good thoughts ever since we
left that damn bridge
:)
On 13 September 2012 09:43, piotrek marczak piotrek.marc...@gmail.comwrote:
well said! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ
in the blanks themselves.
G
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wuijster
Sent: 13 September 2012 09:49
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
To put out a more positive comment...
I'm pretty happy
@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
To put out a more positive comment...
I'm pretty happy with my SI2013SP1 and Arnold combo.
I still see a steady stream of really nice plugins, ICE tools and such pass me
by on the forums. It's never been this good before version 7 or so
...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eugen Sares
Sent: 13 September 2012 12:16
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Graham,
is there some official word on when AD is planning the next release?
SAP is going to be skipped, is that correct? More service packs? Full release
in April
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Re: We are very well aware and I and my team work hard to do
the
most we can with the resources we have. - Maurice Patel
Seriously Maurice... you have any-time access to freely speak
directly to the main vein of the SI community
@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Re: We are very well aware and I and my team work hard to do
the
most we can with the resources we have. - Maurice Patel
Seriously Maurice... you have any-time access to freely speak
directly to the main vein
@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Re: We are very well aware and I and my team work hard to do
the
most
I really think it's a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand
is doing.
I think the devs, support, etc., folks are all going forward full-steam
ahead have a great outlook on things.
I think the pr, marketing management folks still call the software Soft
Image and don't seem to
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Daniel H vfxc...@gmail.com wrote:
Maya is only more prevalent in studios because it started out much cheaper
than Softimage ($10K vs. $100K). Softimage is 24 years old and Maya is only
14 years old. All this time Maya has only been trying to play catch-up to
The one thing I take from reading this thread is the Soft community at
large is generally upset and concerned. Whether the individual concerns
are real or perceived, I would think Autodesk would hear the frustration
and appreciate where it's coming from. Even speak to how to resolve it
perhaps.
There's a patent for XSI's QuickStretch deformer:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=NxcgEBAJzoom=4dq=softimagepg=PA2#v=onepageqf=false
How valuable! :p lol
Kidding aside, there's a few more:
https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=inassignee:%22Softimage%22
like one for cel shading.
One of my all-time favorite movies.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:43 AM, piotrek marczak
piotrek.marc...@gmail.comwrote:
well said! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ
Well said Jeff.
Maurice, if you're still reading, please consider his summary of Soft as a
Generalists tool, because I feel that he pretty much nails it. Sure perhaps
Soft is the closest thing AD has to compete with Houdini, so I understand
the particles angle. However if you limit the scope to
Ha ha!
Scott Lange
Animation and VFX
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ed Manning
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:11 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
One
Hate to be the one to send the negative wave, but if this thread convinced
me of anything is that they will absolutely not be doing what you ask.
Here's what Maurice said:
Whether what we are doing is being elegantly done or not, Autodesk, across
its industries,is trying to alter public
+1 for Jeff and Eric.
Softimage is, of the 3 AD 3D products, by far the best tool for a small or
medium shop. Max seems to be good for solo performers or the places that
take the time to really engineer a pipeline for it. Maya, as many here
have noted, is great in a large-scale industrial
Softimage is without-a-doubt the best choice for small shops and
freelancers (out of the 3 products Autodesk offers). Could it be that
nobody is left who really knows what Softimage has/can do?
So... Maurice, if you're still reading, maybe you can consider some of this?
Softimage comes with
Matt essentially nailed it on the head. It boils down to actions speak
louder than words.
To me... Soft died when Ronald left. That was the sign that things were
going south internally. It's been downhill ever since.
--
Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX
did Ronald leave same time as Halfy? I miss his contributions too :(
On 13 September 2012 17:51, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.comwrote:
Matt essentially nailed it on the head. It boils down to actions speak
louder than words.
To me... Soft died when Ronald left. That was the sign
Ronald left before Halfy (which was early 2011) I think - he's been at
Ubisoft for a long time now. He seemed quite happy the last time I saw him
:)
On 13 September 2012 12:56, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote:
did Ronald leave same time as Halfy? I miss his contributions too :(
On 13
Patel
Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul Griswold
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:17 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
I really think it's
Griswold
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:17 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
I really think it's a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is
doing.
I think the devs, support, etc., folks are all going forward full-steam ahead
have
] On Behalf Of Paul Griswold
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:25 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Softimage is without-a-doubt the best choice for small shops and freelancers
(out of the 3 products Autodesk offers). Could it be that nobody is left
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Softimage is without-a-doubt the best choice for small shops and freelancers
(out of the 3 products Autodesk offers). Could it be that nobody is left who
really knows what Softimage has/can do?
So... Maurice, if you're still
, September 13, 2012 3:49 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
That's great to hear! I'd have to agree, SI is a fantastic and very complete
solution for small to mid size shops. Hopefully, there is some targeted
advertising in this area.
On 9/13/2012 1:39 PM
@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
That's great to hear! I'd have to agree, SI is a fantastic and very
complete solution for small to mid size shops. Hopefully, there is some
targeted advertising in this area.
On 9/13/2012 1:39 PM, Maurice Patel wrote:
Still reading
exactly, simple things like just including softimage.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote:
I think more effective marketing campaigns could be achieved without
spending any money.
:)
*From:* Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2012 4:26 PM
*Subject:* RE: In case you missed it..
One area I would like to get feedback on is how do we get the right
things
; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: In case you missed it..
We’ve already had that discussion.
Students only use what will provide the best opportunity for employment upon
graduation. They’ll only use other
954-7134
-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Len Krenzler
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:49 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
That's great
, 2012 3:49 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
That's great to hear! I'd have to agree, SI is a fantastic and very complete
solution for small to mid size shops. Hopefully, there is some targeted
advertising in this area.
On 9/13/2012 1:39 PM, Maurice
Least important, but cost-free: ask for putting Softimage in that bloody
autodesk start page menu alongside max and Maya!
(...whatever)
Am 13.09.2012 22:49, schrieb Steven Caron:
exactly, simple things like just including softimage.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Matt Lind
Facebook? ok but I am speaking in general.
I see Softimage as being portrayed, inaccurately, incompletely and
inefficiently in regards to the positioning it is getting in the general
sales and marketing arenas. The recent suggestions are a great way to show
what Softimage actually is however
Krenzler
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:49 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
That's great to hear! I'd have to agree, SI is a fantastic and very
complete solution for small to mid size shops. Hopefully, there is some
targeted advertising
...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Muhamad Faizol
Abd. Halim
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:51 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
centralized up to date tutorial. Make it a big one stop centre for a beginner.
That's the only way to help those who
Thnaks will do
Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Alan Fregtman
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:04 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed
@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Least important, but cost-free: ask for putting Softimage in that bloody
autodesk start page menu alongside max and Maya!
(...whatever)
Am 13.09.2012 22:49, schrieb Steven Caron:
exactly, simple things like just including softimage.
On Thu
22:50
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Stop thinking of advertising/ demonstration/ documentation and education as
isolated entities.
in doing so you can make the money you spend massively more productive.
look at the success of stephen blairs blog: http
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sam Cuttriss
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:50 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Stop thinking of advertising/ demonstration/ documentation
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:26 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: In case you missed it..
I agree.
I don't know about anybody else, but I could care less about demo reels. The
only time I see them
@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Stop thinking of advertising/ demonstration/ documentation and education as
isolated entities.
in doing so you can make the money you spend massively more productive.
look at the success of stephen blairs blog
...@listproc.autodesk.com[mailto:
softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.comsoftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
On Behalf Of Sam Cuttriss
Sent: 13 September 2012 22:50
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Stop thinking of advertising
...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sam Cuttriss
Sent: 13 September 2012 22:50
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Stop thinking of advertising/ demonstration
...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sam
Cuttriss
Sent: 13 September 2012 22:50
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.__com
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Stop thinking of advertising/ demonstration/ documentation and
education as isolated
AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
I've got to say I'm puzzled by the threats to drop AD products to move to
Houdini if they were to discontinue Soft.
Houdini is a great software for a number of reasons, and has a broad range of
applications
Figure out what client AD uses internally, and never use that again, at
least not with those settings.
No web mail client I can think of seems able to collapse any quote after it
goes through their servers from hell.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Bradley Gabe witha...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm
: In case you missed it..
** **
I've got to say I'm puzzled by the threats to drop AD products to move to
Houdini if they were to discontinue Soft.
Houdini is a great software for a number of reasons, and has a broad range
of applications, not to mention probably the most open and solid
Of Matt Lind
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:26 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: In case you missed it..
I agree.
I don't know about anybody else, but I could care less about demo reels. The
only time I see them is when I'm at a user group or waiting for a product
Maurice,
What was the reason AD purchased Softimage if they didn't think they could
market it as a full fledged 3D app? Was it to grab most of the market and
stifle the competition?
If you really wanted to get a good handle one what benefits Softimage has
for users of other packages it would
i don't buy the research-story - instead i believe softimage ended up in
the particles corner because they had to visually balance the
bonus-tools of the suites in a chart with a given set of buzzwords.
chris
--
---
Christoph Mütze
http://www.glarestudios.de
get the talent and patents.
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.comwrote:
What was the reason AD purchased Softimage if they didn't think they could
market it as a full fledged 3D app? Was it to grab most of the market and
stifle the competition?
What patents?
Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Steven Caron car...@gmail.com wrote:
get the talent and patents.
talent mostly but there are patents some which you might not think are
important. type in 'avid technologies render' in google patents search and
see for yourself.
halfdan posted this a long time ago i think, but the first comes to mind
for me is the render region...
oh i should add, i have not clue which patents avid let go if any at all.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Steven Caron car...@gmail.com wrote:
talent mostly but there are patents some which you might not think are
important. type in 'avid technologies render' in google patents search and
well, since avid was competition at one point. having these patents means
they dont have to license it or be brought to court to use the license or
avoid the better solution to the problem.
btw, i am purely speculating, as i said i have no idea which patents avid
let go if any at all.
s
On Wed,
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Maurice Patel
maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote:
this thread http://yfrog.com/h0t6exxtj:
Although I can't say I am particularly fond of that diagram myself (it's
rather ugly), it actually came out of a study commissioned from a third
Funny how everyone from
My regret is only that I
don't jump onto the Maya wagon back then, but stayed in Softimage|3D.
I should have switched and learned MEL.
Not I, having to learn something as filthy as maya as my first app most
likely would have caused me to give up and try something else..
in fact I started out in
My first 3D application was 3d studio r4, couldn't get anywhere. Then
I learned Amapi and Electric Image and came a bit further :)
However Maya isn't that bad. Gotten used to it over the years and
I'm quite bilingual these days.
People who started with Prism deserve a price though.
regards
-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Andersson
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:41 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it.
My first 3D application was 3d
wait, Maurice,
you hired a company that used Max Maya animators to evaluate Softimage
for its benefits to them? then based your entire strategy on this? what
about benefits to the existing Softimage user basel! this is the problem we
have you fool don't you see it?!
pardon the french, calling
Rob, I'll quote myself and you'll see the connection
I remember when Discreet Logic was bought. Funny thing happened...
the Logic went away.
And that affected all departments I guess :)
-stefan
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote:
wait, Maurice,
you
Hello Maurice,
/I know Autodesk Marketing is often hard to fathom/ Then you (AD) have
a serious comunication problem.
The way AD advertise on SI just creates a panic climate. I'm not sure
this will increase the sells.
All your ways of communicating on SI looks like you're going to
interrupt
+1
thats exactly how i feel right now, having a serious look into Houdini.
best
sebastian
Am 12.09.2012 um 12:59 schrieb olivier jeannel olivier.jean...@noos.fr:
Hello Maurice,
I know Autodesk Marketing is often hard to fathom Then you (AD) have a
serious comunication problem.
The way
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
wait, Maurice,
you hired a company that used Max Maya animators to evaluate Softimage for
its benefits to them? then based your entire strategy on this? what about
benefits to the existing Softimage user basel! this is the problem
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane
Sent: 12 September 2012 01:40
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
Fire the company that did that study then ;) because every other person in the
middle end of competence that's
: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Chapman
Sent: 12 September 2012 10:29
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
wait, Maurice,
you hired a company that used Max Maya animators to evaluate
I can't regret having learned Softimage by any means. I've been using Maya for
years, and Softimage a lot shorter, but I can say I'm a lot more productive in
Soft than I ever was in Maya. As long as it stays that way I'm going to use it,
and given the speed at which Maya is being developed and
...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Chapman
Sent: 12 September 2012 13:17
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
so basically, the existing Softimage user base can jsut sod off!
On 12 September 2012 13:08, Graham Bell
graham.b...@autodesk.commailto:graham.b
Mr. Patel,
what I do not understand: how could it hurt sales when Softimage is sold
eye height with max and Maya?
Pricewise, Softimage has been put on the same level with max and Maya...
I bet suddenly the same marketing people were clever enough to see a
cheap Softimage as a potential threat
I think what Maurice was saying was that, we wanted to know what Max
Maya people thought or perceived the value was of having Mobu, Mudbox and
Softimage in their studio/pipeline, in the context of buying and using
Suites. The company (to the best of my knowledge) is an independent
research
Last thought on this whole thing and then I'm grabbing some pop corn to see
how the rest rolls out.
Maurice, it seems that the marketing is only worried about new customers
and existing Max and Maya customers. Isn't it also important to market to
your current customers as well?
...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Chapman
Sent: 12 September 2012 13:17
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
so basically, the existing Softimage user base can jsut sod off!
On 12 September 2012 13:08, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.commailto
told/ordered
me to only show particles in a Softimage context.
G
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge
Sent: 12 September 2012 13:44
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
I
I was about to say the same thing.
Le 12/09/2012 14:49, Eric Thivierge a écrit :
Last thought on this whole thing and then I'm grabbing some pop corn
to see how the rest rolls out.
Maurice, it seems that the marketing is only worried about new
customers and existing Max and Maya customers.
2012 13:17
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
so basically, the existing Softimage user base can jsut sod off!
On 12 September 2012 13:08, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.commailto:
graham.b...@autodesk.com wrote:
I think what Maurice was saying
[mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul Griswold
Sent: 10 September 2012 15:08
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: In case you missed it..
This is the kind of stuff that makes me really dislike Autodesk:
http://yfrog.com/h0t6exxtj
I'm glad to know
On 2012-09-12 09:25, Steven Caron wrote:
get the talent and patents.
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com
mailto:ethivie...@gmail.com wrote:
What was the reason AD purchased Softimage if they didn't think
they could market it as a full fledged 3D
.
Best
Alan
-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Graham Bell
Sent: 12 September 2012 13:09
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: In case you missed it..
I think what Maurice
Maya people are a dime a dozen and they typically get employed in a
starting $30K to $35K USD range. Because there are so many Maya users
running around, studios can employ a lot more of them for a dirt-cheap
salary. Maya is only more prevalent in studios because it started out much
cheaper than
Hello Mr. Maurice, although many of the points you make about the suit
strategies make sense, some things dont quite add up.
I am not saying selling it to Max and Maya people is not a good strategie,
dont get me wrong. It is ok if AD wants to do some extra bucks, and if SI
can offer this guys
The gut feeling I get from this thread is, AD views Softimage as a product
that cannot stand on its own outside of perhaps Japan.
I have no idea why it's a better idea to spend marketing money trying to
up-sell Max and Maya users on Suites than it is to take that marketing
budget and try to build
In the end it doesn't make sense for AD to own all 3 products. It makes
hard for the marketing and sales people to promote and sell 3 somewhat
competing products
The suite idea only make sense with something like the Adobe's suites
when they are all different products.
There are too much
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Sajjad Amjad sajjad.am...@gmail.comwrote:
For me, when looking at out-of-the-box functionality, Houdini ticks more
boxes than any comparable AD product.
I'm with you 1000% Sajjad. Hell, Houdini's even more fun to use! However,
as far as freelance work goes,
my thoughts and situation exactly
+ 1cent
Jeff
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Leoung O'Young
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:29 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: In case you missed
Just to be clear. I run Product Marketing so what you see is in mainly a direct
result of my efforts – no mysterious “Autodesk” bogey man. I am
ex-softimage/avid and even though I was primarily focused on compositing and DS
when I was there, I know full well what the product is capable of and
In fact, if you check, this is exactly how we do market it: (
www.autodesk.com/softimagehttp://www.autodesk.com/softimage ).
As an extension to Autodesk® Maya® http://www.autodesk.com/maya or Autodesk®
3ds Max® http://www.autodesk.com/3dsmax software pipelines, while Maya
is 3D animation
and its not even mentioned on the Features page.
Correction, it is.
If you dig deep enough.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Kiril Aronofski flyone...@gmail.comwrote:
In fact, if you check, this is exactly how we do market it: (
www.autodesk.com/softimagehttp://www.autodesk.com/softimage
in defensive of the suites strategy, avid did market facerobot (still
softimage underneath) to max and maya shops in hopes it would also convert
more licenses. i worked at blur and this sort of happened, animators used
facerobot and started to like the animation environment and so they
convinced
I find it kind of hilarious that the only reason any Softimage users
want there to be a Softimage suite is so that they'll feel like
they're being treated fairly. None of us actually wants to pay
extra money for a bonus Maya or Max license. I'd love to see the
Softimage diagram to go alongside
haha :)
but seriously, might convince some people of not looking to hard into
Zbrush. It would be nice to get SI+Mudbox bundled together with a properly
working send to button... dreaming
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