Re: [Vo]:Rare earths

2009-09-29 Thread Alexander Hollins
an office i worked with experimented with random dimming of the light. it very much simulated the occasional cloud passing overhead outside. People were more alert and aware in the area they did this. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed,

Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current

2009-09-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:33:25 -0400: Hi, [snip] I've shown a roughly square wire loop, with a capacitor in the bottom leg of the loop, and I've shown arrows next to the wire indicating the direction of the E field at all points. The capacitor plates are

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-29 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/9/28 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net: On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:49 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: One thing that could be done now, and probably wouldn't be a waste would be algoil. This could make a significant dent in fossil fuel consumption, and because it targets cars and trucks,

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-29 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:00 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: 2009/9/28 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net: On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:49 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: One thing that could be done now, and probably wouldn't be a waste would be algoil. This could make a significant dent in fossil fuel

[Vo]:Strange Object Near Shuttle Tank

2009-09-29 Thread Terry Blanton
All I can say is, WTF?! http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/29649/ LH2 somehow forming an Iceman? Terry

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:25 PM 9/28/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: (A blogger asked me what is the source of the dispute, and the academic politics. I like my answer, so let me copy it here. This is, perhaps, a softer, more understanding response than I might have made years ago.) That's a good explanation, Jed.

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: For their part, the cold fusion believers did a lousy job of selling it. I agree their public relations efforts have not been good. I think it is a bad idea to make conference proceedings only available as copyright books. Biberian recently told me that they have

RE: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I think the biggest disconnect is trying to make a direct jump from the materials to fusion without better explaining the interim step that supplies the energy to Create the fusion artifacts. I am following a current thread Zero point fluctuations and the Casimir

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
At 11:03 AM 9/29/2009, you wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: For their part, the cold fusion believers did a lousy job of selling it. I agree their public relations efforts have not been good. I think it is a bad idea to make conference proceedings only available as copyright books. Biberian

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
The documents they were given are listed here: http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/DoeReview.htm#Submissions - Jed Jed, thank you for that list. Had not seen it before. How ironic (or not) that the two LANR/CF researchers who actually had perfomed open demonstrations at ICCF10,

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion, Feyerabend, War and Depression

2009-09-29 Thread Chris Zell
Selling Cold Fusion?  Public Relations?  And this is Science we're talking about? It's disgusting.  Guys like Feyerabend were more right than anyone likes to admit.  Peer review becomes sneer review and instead of the Defenders of the Dominant Paradigm dying off, we're stuck with obituaries in

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion, Feyerabend, War and Depression

2009-09-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Chris Zell wrote: Selling Cold Fusion? Public Relations? And this is Science we're talking about? It's disgusting. Guys like Feyerabend were more right than anyone likes to admit. Peer review becomes sneer review and instead of the Defenders of the Dominant Paradigm dying off, we're

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Dr. Mitchell Swartz wrote: How ironic (or not) that the two LANR/CF researchers who actually had perfomed open demonstrations at ICCF10, Dr. Dash and myself, did not have a single paper on that highly selected, therefore censored, list. Yes, it is censored, but you yourself are the censor!

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
I think they gave the reviewers all those papers because years ago I was in someone's office, and I noticed a cardboard box full of papers with familiar titles. I asked what's all this? and the person said that's what we gave the reviewers. Those are all the references in Peter's paper. It

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
At 01:09 PM 9/29/2009, you wrote: Dr. Mitchell Swartz wrote: How ironic (or not) that the two LANR/CF researchers who actually had perfomed open demonstrations at ICCF10, Dr. Dash and myself, did not have a single paper on that highly selected, therefore censored, list. Yes, it is censored, but

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Dr. Mitchell Swartz wrote: Sorry that you took this personally, but ... Wrong. You were given copies. Multiple copies. By disk. On paper. By mail with green card. I couldn't read them. Look, we have been over this 100 times. I will repeat once more. Here is what you must do if you

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Dr. Mitchell Swartz wrote: Dash is #52, ICCF6. Dash never censors anything and never denies permission, but I don't happen to have that paper in electronic format. Gosh. I don't see Prof. Dash at #52 in that table, so I must not understand what you meant. I just explained that in the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion, Feyerabend, War and Depression

2009-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: Selling Cold Fusion? Public Relations? And this is Science we're talking about? It's disgusting. To be fair, I am the one who calls it public relations. Scientists tend use more genteel expressions, such as 'educating the public about the need for this research.' They

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:03 AM 9/29/2009, you wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: For their part, the cold fusion believers did a lousy job of selling it. I agree their public relations efforts have not been good. I think it is a bad idea to make conference proceedings only available as copyright books.

RE: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:37 AM 9/29/2009, Roarty, Francis X wrote: I think the biggest disconnect is trying to make a direct jump from the materials to fusion without better explaining the interim step that supplies the energy to Create the fusion artifacts. I am following a current thread Zero point

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:35 PM 9/29/2009, you wrote: I'll bet if you contacted those people today (the ones still alive), you would find they have not learned a thing about cold fusion and they would not change a word of their endorsements. Unless you could approach them in a way likely to generate rapport,

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll bet if you contacted those people today (the ones still alive), you would find they have not learned a thing about cold fusion and they would not change a word of their endorsements. Unless you could approach them in a way likely to generate rapport, and

[Vo]:Chu right, Congress wrong

2009-09-29 Thread Horace Heffner
http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2009/09/chu-says-hell-stop- push-to-cut-hydrogen-car-funding-will-work-with-lawmakers.html http://tinyurl.com/yevy8bu Chu Says He'll Stop Push to Cut Hydrogen-Car Funding, Will Work With Lawmakers Energy Secretary Steven Chu will no longer seek

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion, Feyerabend, War and Depression

2009-09-29 Thread Chris Zell
I am NOT being critical of your efforts or anyone else in trying to promote acceptance.  I am, however, nauseated by the fact that such is deemed necessary apparently because things have drifted into a sterile orthodoxy dominated by scientific hierarchs. Now, I'm not even sure we can depend

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion, Feyerabend, War and Depression

2009-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: I am NOT being critical of your efforts or anyone else in trying to promote acceptance. I got that. I knew you were not. My point is, why should you be nauseated by the fact that such is deemed necessary? Public relations ploys have always been a necessary part of

Re: [Vo]:Tesla'sWardenclyffe-GusherMegaSuccess

2009-09-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:58:37 -0400: Hi, [snip] What is it, by knowing which, we have all knowledge? [snip] ...the ability to tap into the galactic telepathy network. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: They said they emphasized their own work because they understood their own work best, and they could discuss it in depth with the panel without fear of making a mistake or misrepresenting the work. That seems sensible to me. Sensible and very wrong. There is

Re: [Vo]:Tesla'sWardenclyffe-GusherMegaSuccess

2009-09-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: What is it, by knowing which, we have all knowledge? [snip] ...the ability to tap into the galactic telepathy network. ;) Helluva database. Terry

Re: [Vo]:Strange Object Near Shuttle Tank

2009-09-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:31:35 -0400: Hi, [snip] All I can say is, WTF?! http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/29649/ LH2 somehow forming an Iceman? Ice wouldn't stay in one piece and maintain it's structure like that, especially at those speeds in the

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Dr. Mitchell Swartz's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:44:24 -0400: Hi, [snip] Corroborating your fabrications, Jed, you have told others and us that you demand to EDIT the papers. [snip] ..from the perspective of an outsider to all of this, I get the impression that Jed edit's

Re: [Vo]:Strange Object Near Shuttle Tank

2009-09-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:05 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Perhaps that what it is, but on a view port or the camera lens? (It tracks the tank because the camera is tracking the tank). It rotates independently of the tank. Terry

Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current

2009-09-29 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:54 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:33:25 - 0400:Hi, [snip] I've shown

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Dr. Mitchell Swartz's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:44:24 -0400: Hi, [snip] Corroborating your fabrications, Jed, you have told others and us that you demand to EDIT the papers. [snip] ..from the perspective of an outsider to all of this, I get

correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current

2009-09-29 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com Date: Tuesday, September 29,

Re: correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current

2009-09-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:54:07 -0400: Hi, [snip] Yup, but that is not what bothers me. I have been unable to consistently apply the concept of an _electric field_ around a circuit with a steady current without it ending in a contradiction. harry That's because

Re: [Vo]:Strange Object Near Shuttle Tank

2009-09-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:39:29 -0500: Hi, [snip] On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:05 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Perhaps that what it is, but on a view port or the camera lens? (It tracks the tank because the camera is tracking the tank). It rotates

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:58 PM 9/29/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll bet if you contacted those people today (the ones still alive), you would find they have not learned a thing about cold fusion and they would not change a word of their endorsements. Unless you could approach them in

Re: [Vo]:The source of the disagreement over cold fusion

2009-09-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:31 PM 9/29/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: They said they emphasized their own work because they understood their own work best, and they could discuss it in depth with the panel without fear of making a mistake or misrepresenting the work. That seems sensible to

Re: correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current

2009-09-29 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:51 pm Subject: Re: correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:54:07 - 0400:Hi,

[Vo]:summary of Weber's force

2009-09-29 Thread Harry Veeder
This clipping basically summarizes Weber's force: http://web.ncf.ca/eo200/weber_clipping.JPG It comes from the paper Weberian Induction http://www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis/Phys-Lett-A-V268-p274-278(2000).pdf harry