Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: It seems to me that calorimetry is a weak subject to base a defence on. > Nether the judge or any of the jury will have even heard the word let alone > understand why the ERV messed it up. The layers for the defence will need a > expert witness to educate the

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > Rossi claims?!? Rossi has claimed he had a production line set up when > there was no such thing. He claims he spent hours inside a 1 MW reactor in > a shipping container, when that would kill him in 10 minutes.

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

It seems to me that calorimetry is a weak subject to base a defence on. Nether the judge or any of the jury will have even heard the word let alone understand why the ERV messed it up. The layers for the defence will need a expert witness to educate the court on what is good and what is ill in

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Axil Axil wrote: Why did IH allow Penon to remain the ERV if he was incompetent or > dishonest? Why did IH allow the test to continue with a flawed calorimetry > plan? Why wasn't the calorimetry design changed to the satisfaction of IH > early on in the test? > I do not

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Why did IH allow Penon to remain the ERV if he was incompetent or dishonest? Why did IH allow the test to continue with a flawed calorimetry plan? Why wasn't the calorimetry design changed to the satisfaction of IH early on in the test? Did you ash your contacts at IH these questions? What did

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: Jed States: > > "If the ERV say in court that he thinks the terms were met, he should pack > his bags and take the first airplane for Italy as soon as he leaves the > stand, to avoid being arrested for perjury and fraud." > > This judgement seems to be very

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Jed States: "If the ERV say in court that he thinks the terms were met, he should pack his bags and take the first airplane for Italy as soon as he leaves the stand, to avoid being arrested for perjury and fraud." This judgement seems to be very harsh, cruel, damaging, and severe. This statement

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: The ERV made two rulings first to award 1.5 million to Rossi and then > another $10,000,000 based on his judgement that the Rossi reactor worked. > This sets a precedent that IH accepted . . . > Again let me point out you are not a lawyer, you know nothing

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The ERV made two rulings first to award 1.5 million to Rossi and then another $10,000,000 based on his judgement that the Rossi reactor worked. This sets a precedent that IH accepted the judgment of the ERV as competent, impartial, valid and binding. But now when it comes down the billion dollar

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Axil Axil wrote: The Judge is going to ask IH if they gave the ERV absolute authority as the > agent of arbitration to determine if the terms of the licence agreement > were met. Then the Judge will ask the ERV if he has determined if the terms > of the Licence agreement were

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

The Judge is going to ask IH if they gave the ERV absolute authority as the agent of arbitration to determine if the terms of the licence agreement were met. Then the Judge will ask the ERV if he has determined if the terms of the Licence agreement were met. The ERV will say that in his expert

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Stephen Cooke wrote: I guess/hope we don't need to wait too long now before things are resolved > and hopefully become clearer. > If the past few years are anything to go by, I think the opposite assumption is a safer one. Eric

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

No Jed, I make no false statements. I make no statements at all, except thar you judge people based on poor basis and that you want to be believed based on confidential information. That you then attack others, for not swallow your conclusions without wondering about its credibility, is not above

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Thanks Jed, You are modest, but I know your understanding of Calorimetry far exceeds mine, and much of this is over my head so thanks for your patience. I suppose if the heater was immersed and surrounded by water the heat would either transfer through the water by conduction, convection or

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Stephen Cooke wrote: Regarding the waste heat, you mentioned that all the waste heat can't be > transferred to the water? But surely if the heat source is inside the water > tank it can only be transferred to the water. Isn't this how we do > calorimetry? > Look at

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed Regarding the waste heat, you mentioned that all the waste heat can't be transferred to the water? But surely if the heat source is inside the water tank it can only be transferred to the water. Isn't this how we do calorimetry? As long as the water tank was insulated for 120 deg C and

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Hi Jed, The kilns I have been near are smaller ones for ceramic crafts and artwork, but I wonder if something like this can be applicable. https://www.vpbay.com/product/pellet-burner-kiln/ I'm far from knowledgable about industrial applications but I guess it's not so simple to match a boiler

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed Said: "No, as I told you several times, I pointed to the paper Penon published on the internet. In my opinion, it shows he is an idiot. You can read it yourself. Perhaps you will disagree." My issue is the evaluation of what was done before the contract was signed and what was done after it

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On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Finally, here is a reality check. Rossi's customer is a listed as a > chemical distribution warehouse. Do you think a chemical distributor can > use enough process heat for a good-sized factory? I doubt it! This is >

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

lenr-forum.com sheds some more light. Apparently Darden visited the Lugano team to explain that they got erroneous results and no heat was generated.. (Confirmed by Mats Lewan ) It seems they had thermocouples that they used intermittently and found the readings disagreed with the IR

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed, thanks for your extended reply, I'm also far from being able todo the HVAC calculations so respect you have an experts input and are better informed than me about what is possible. Thanks also for the link rsbiomass. To be fair the pictures of the Bosch plant I think we're for 38 MW

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > Your statements,including label people as idiots, based on information you > say is confidential . . . > No, as I told you several times, I pointed to the paper Penon published on the internet. In my opinion, it shows he is an idiot. You can read

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Jed, You say that Gluck arguments are childish. You need a mirrot. Your statements,including label people as idiots, based on information you say is confidential, is of th e same level i heard in the sandbox many years ago. It is not a question of taking sides. IH have provided very little

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Stephen Cooke wrote: Hi Jed, I wonder if I'm missing something? You said a the 1 MW ecat plant > would cook people in the warehouse? I'm for sure no boiler expert but I > have recently checked on line and if we look at other boilers with other > heat sources it seems

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Hi Jed, I wonder if I'm missing something? You said a the 1 MW ecat plant would cook people in the warehouse? I'm for sure no boiler expert but I have recently checked on line and if we look at other boilers with other heat sources it seems that steam boilers of MW size are rather typical for

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a.ashfield wrote: I doubt anyone outside IH and Rossi's camps knows what happened. > Actually, several people know, including me. At least, we know what both sides claim. I.H. says there is no heat, and Rossi claims the heat is 50 times input. That is not to say I.H. is

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I doubt anyone outside IH and Rossi's camps knows what happened. IH did not specify the 1 MW plant didn't work in their statement, although Jed has said he was told it didn't. What they said was they could not reproduce the results. This could mean the IP they received from Rossi was not

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

I am just bring into focus what the theory of Rossi's case is...the avoidance of the $Billion payment in licence fees. It has nothing to with Rossi's tech not working. If IH claims that Rossi's IP does not work, they will lose their case since their duly authorized agent who designed and conducted

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Axil Axil wrote: The theory of the case is centered on the $Billion that IH would save is > they could somehow use Rossi's IP in their own products and that of their > OEMs but avoid paying 1 billion dollars in licensing fees. > This theory is bonkers. The machine DOES NOT

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The theory of the case is centered on the $Billion that IH would save is they could somehow use Rossi's IP in their own products and that of their OEMs but avoid paying 1 billion dollars in licensing fees. This theory explains why IH did not care how the one year test was performed because they

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

I am developing my opinion of what Rossi's opinion of the case is. “A theory of a case is a cogent statement of an advocate’s position that justifies the verdict he or she is seeking. A theory of the case is not necessarily cast in the words that will be sued with the jury, but words that are

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

If IH can somehow use the IP of Rossi but get out of the licence agreement with Rossi, they will save one $billion. This may explain the motivation in the actions of IH. This is just a theory of the case. On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Their motivation

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Their motivation makes sense if they never intended to take the results of the one year test seriously. They did not care what the EVR did, they had Rossi's IP in hand that they could transfer to their own products and that of their other EOMs. On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Craig Haynie

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Craig Haynie wrote: The other thing that confuses me, is that in the contract they signed with > Rossi, they didn't have a clause which allowed them to independently > evaluate the device; nor did it allow them to certify, or reject, the > evaluation of the EVR; and

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: The product strategy of IH can be deduced from their actions as follows. IF > Rossi's IP never worked, IH would have terminated the test within days of > its start. . . . > Stop right there. Even in these first sentences you have already made unwarranted

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

On 05/13/2016 04:20 PM, Axil Axil wrote: What confuses the analysis of the motives of IH is that IH patented the Lugano device, as Rossi's IP. This indicated that IH knew that Rossi's IP worked and gave Rossi credit for it in a patent application, I cannot figure out their motive here??? It

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

What confuses the analysis of the motives of IH is that IH patented the Lugano device, as Rossi's IP. This indicated that IH knew that Rossi's IP worked and gave Rossi credit for it in a patent application, I cannot figure out their motive here??? It could b that their was a management disconnect

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The product strategy of IH can be deduced from their actions as follows. IF Rossi's IP never worked, IH would have terminated the test within days of its start. If IH believed that Rossi;s IP worked, they would have started setting up a production plant early on to get a jump on E-Cat production

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Axil Axil wrote: > IH cannot use Rossi's IP for anything as its stands now. > IH (and I) think that Rossi's gadget does not work, so he does not have any IP, so this does not matter. No one can use pretend IP for anything, as it stands now, and as it will always stand. If

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IF and when IH pays Rossi the 89 million, what does IH get? IH gets the right to use Rossi's IP to produce and sell E Cat product in their territory granted by the Licence. IH cannot use Rossi's IP for anything as its stands now. Can IH sell product that contains Rossi's IP that has been

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In his latest travesty of a blog, Peter Gluck wrote: "However I think his anger has a deeper cause- he is wanting or being > pushed somehow to defend IH's very unnatural, surprising and implausible > position so he has to tell difficultly believable things- he also does not > know much about IH's

[Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/05/may-13-2016-lenr-about-feline-nature-of.html still discussions but slowly cooling down, some info and news peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com