Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-10-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Hello Terry: Thanks for the heads up for this reddit thing. I watched a whole bunch of movies. It became increasingly evident that google was shutting down the operation due to violations of terms of service. But it was fun while it lasted. Full length movies for free. No registration. All

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-09-01 Thread Kevin O'Malley
In response to my Imagine that: the sun warms up planets, like ours.There's a distinct lack of evidence for something that is supposed to be such a friggin slam-dunk. When it is a slam-dunk, there's no need for fraud. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:50 PM, CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote:

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-28 Thread Roarty, Francis X
To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:global warming? http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28898223 'Widespread methane leakage' from ocean floor off US coast This could be bad news... On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.commailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: http

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-28 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 28, 2014 7:47 am Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Also makes me wonder what strange effects massive hydrocarbon loading could have on silicon grains as it bubbles

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-28 Thread CB Sites
the predictions beyond a few years. Dave -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 28, 2014 7:47 am Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Also makes me wonder what strange effects massive

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-28 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:49:44 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] I saw where that Atlantic current is the assumed reason for the pause and it might actually be the culprit. The climatologists also had a number of other possible factors that they were considering before

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-28 Thread David Roberson
: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:global warming? This hasn't been occurring very long. Otherwise we would have noticed. The methane measurements from satellite will be interesting to watch over the next few years. Here is one report http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/obop/mlo/programs/esrl/methane/img

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-27 Thread David Roberson
@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 12:26 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? No David, and thank you for not regurgitating a FOX news report on global warming. Physics is a very powerful tool for our understanding of the world. We live it every day from the engineering of bridges on a macro

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-27 Thread Chris Zell
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140821-global-warming-hiatus-climate-change-ocean-science/ So, the mainstream now says no global warming for 10 - 15 years?

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-27 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28898223 'Widespread methane leakage' from ocean floor off US coast This could be bad news... On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Since the pause was 100% not predicted and instead should have been a more rapid rise, how much more in error could they be? How confident are you of this assertion? How on earth could you or anybody else believe

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread David Roberson
know whether or not those guys have hired significant talent from the main modeling organizations? Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 1:32 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Mon, Aug 25

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread David Roberson
Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 2:06 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Since the pause was 100% not predicted and instead should have been a more rapid rise, how

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Axil Axil
are their contact to the public and decision makers and anyone can observe how poorly their predictions match the real world data. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 12:56 am Subject: Re: [Vo

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Thanks. Those are exactly the kinds of opportunities I've been looking for. Have you put YOUR money where your mouth is in terms of LENR? I doubt it. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Kevin O'Malley

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Jojo Iznart
2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Loss of ice is the key factor. The climate won't change much until most of the ice is gone.

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Chris Zell
. From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:56 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.commailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: This doesn't mean that they need to be able

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread CB Sites
[mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:56 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: This doesn't mean that they need to be able to forecast tomorrow's lottery

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I have seen graphs of the predicted global temperatures from several different models and they all show a rapid increase during the questionable period. Not one of them indicate that a pause was conceivable. The

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread David Roberson
to their beliefs and that is good for science in the long run. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM, David Roberson dlrober

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:47 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Lets put an end to this discussion since it is obvious that we will not come to a resolution that is acceptable to both of us. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and that is good for science in the long run. I

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Axil Axil
26, 2014 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I have seen graphs of the predicted global temperatures from several different models and they all show a rapid increase during the questionable period

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread David Roberson
Sounds good to me my friend. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:47 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Lets

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Chris Zell
I expect experts to produce hard results that verify their status as experts. Otherwise, it starts to resemble theology. It looks similar to economists who can't play the stock market or psychologists who can't predict parolee behavior above common sense. I see two broad dangers in climate

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread David Roberson
pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Ice is melting and feeding the deep ocean currents that rise every few decades to cool off the coasts. Sea level rise is the simple indicator that marks the point of disaster. Coastal cities will flood as the ice melts. When all the ice is gone

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread CB Sites
during that period will appear as magic to us. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Ice is melting and feeding the deep ocean currents that rise every few

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Axil Axil
janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Ice is melting and feeding the deep ocean currents that rise every few decades to cool off the coasts. Sea level rise is the simple indicator that marks the point of disaster

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Jojo Iznart
. it is still a plus overall for humanity. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? http://phys.org/news/2014-08-southwest-megadrought-century.html No matter how it is caused

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread CB Sites
- Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:48 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:global warming? http://phys.org/news/2014-08-southwest-megadrought-century.html No matter how it is caused, the residences

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread David Roberson
Sites cbsit...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? I was reading last week's Science magazine and they had an paper that talks about the new finding that the Atlantic ocean was trapping much more heat than expected

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread Jojo Iznart
CB, I still don't understand your contention. A Delta T of 6C would cause all plant life to die? Is this what you are saying? Jojo - Original Message - From: CB Sites To: vortex-l Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Jojo said

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-26 Thread CB Sites
@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? I was reading last week's Science magazine and they had an paper that talks about the new finding that the Atlantic ocean was trapping much more heat than expected.They conclude that the leveling out of temperature

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 6:38 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: You also probably realize that a polynomial fit to a high power order yields coefficients that vary depending upon the order of the polynomial chosen. Many combinations of coefficients will fit the input/output data

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Chris Zell
To me, all of the expertise, all of the Ph.D's, all of the tenure and all of the opinions of climatologists are simply worthless in relation to the world at large - except for their ability to make accurate predictions. Really, of what general value would climatology be without an established

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread David Roberson
, changing solar activity, and etc. which makes extremely long term predictions a guess at best. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 2:54 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Sun, Aug 24

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
-Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 2:54 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 6:38 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: You also probably realize that a polynomial fit

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Bob Cook
Jed-- I think your reliance on experts is a little over stated, and I tend to agree with Dave’s assessment of expecting short term predictions to be possible. Many so-called experts in the nuclear industry endorsed the idea of storing spent fuel in wet storage at locations subject to both

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Bob Cook
Chris- Your considerations are much the same as mine. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Chris Zell Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎August‎ ‎25‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎23‎ ‎AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com To me, all of the expertise, all of the Ph.D's, all of the tenure and all of the opinions of

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
predictions of value. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Bob Cook
Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I suppose the difference between your beliefs and mine amounts to my expectation

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Eric, you don't seem to understand what the IPCC is. They are eXACTLY as called out -- REPRESENTATIVE of the anthropomorphic climate change thesis. On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Calling out some of the people involved in climate science who have

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
, August 26, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Since when does 6 C correspond with 42.8 F? Sent from Windows Mail From: CB Sites Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎August‎ ‎24‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎12‎ ‎PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jojo, I really think you miss the point. Let assume a moment

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread CB Sites
to generate predictions of value. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread CB Sites
. Only then is the model useful to generate predictions of value. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM, David Roberson

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
have in fact done this on several occasions. Only then is the model useful to generate predictions of value. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I suppose the difference between your beliefs and mine amounts to my expectation that the climate change scientists should be held to a high standard as is required of most other

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, you don't seem to understand what the IPCC is. They are eXACTLY as called out -- REPRESENTATIVE of the anthropomorphic climate change thesis. For the sake of argument, let's assume that it was not just selected

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I'm not all that interested in passing judgement on the integrity of the majority of climate scientists. I'm interested in seeing if there's real science behind this constantly-changing thesis. My conclusion at this time is: NO. What is there has been driven more by politics than science.

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: This doesn't mean that they need to be able to forecast tomorrow's lottery numbers ( in effect) but we should expect that they can create predictive graphs that follow emerging reality with a reasonable fit - and frankly,

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not all that interested in passing judgement on the integrity of the majority of climate scientists. I'm interested in seeing if there's real science behind this constantly-changing thesis. My conclusion at this

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread David Roberson
- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 12:56 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: This doesn't mean that they need to be able to forecast tomorrow's lottery

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread David Roberson
that a return to dangerous cold climate lay ahead for future generations to encounter. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 12:13 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? There is a 30 year ocean temperature

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 12:34 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Cold fusion and Global warming have the same disruptive collection of interest groups arrayed against them, the fossil fuel

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread David Roberson
RIDICULOUSNESS Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? There is a 30 year ocean temperature oscillation due to the Atlantic and southern sea saline inversion

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 3:18 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I agree that the fossil fuel crew is going to come at us with loaded guns once the true potential of LENR is understood. These are not stupid people. They already realize the potential. Most, like Shell's S.T.E.P.

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that the fossil fuel crew is going to come at us with loaded guns once the true potential of LENR is understood. These are not stupid people. They already realize the potential. I disagree. I have had some interaction with these people. I

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
Well said. Big Oil follows the buck, and will get into LENR early but not prematurely, when capital is most needed but after adequate proof. They will not likely push the technology forward, however … with one big exception. Chevron was among the first in renewables, but backtracked when the

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: [Oil] will synthesized locally, on demand, from garbage and water, or coal and water, or from air and water. Oil is already synthesized from garbage using depolymerization. This will be very attractive with cold fusion for two reasons: 1. The producer is paid on both ends; paid to

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net quoted someone: “It’s not that oil companies dislike renewables,” says Oppenheimer “It’s just not their core business, or where they have expertise. They just don’t know what to do with it.” … yet Not yet, not ever. Not their core business hardly begins

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Terry Blanton
But, have you considered how much cheaper it will be to pump oil from the ground using a LENR source? :-)

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: But, have you considered how much cheaper it will be to pump oil from the ground using a LENR source? :-) I have, actually. Pumping oil does take a lot of energy, but it is basically overhead for the oil company. It reduces the total amount of oil they

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Lennart Thornros
Good Morning Vortex, There are many observations about the phenomena you talk about in regards to the oil companies. It is often referred to as the S curve theory. The S curve describe how a product becomes invented and has a very slow market penetration (even the derivative is small). Than comes

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:15 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: This is exactly why so many question the science. A good scientist should remain skeptical under these conditions and clearly the science is not settled as some seem to believe. One doesn't need a fully worked out

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
From: Terry Blanton But, have you considered how much cheaper it will be to pump oil from the ground using a LENR source? :-) Actually that is not sarcasm. It is likely that a prime early use of LENR will to extend the productive life of oilfields by a large factor. The USA has a

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread hohlr...@gmail.com
Yes, but you are talking about the endgame. If we started making LENR gensets today, we'll still pump oil for decades.

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but you are talking about the endgame. If we started making LENR gensets today, we'll still pump oil for decades. One or two decades, but at the end of that time the industry will be in catastrophic decline. To get a sense of how it is likely

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread CB Sites
I've wondered if the Oil industry isn't just trying to stall other forms of energy until the inventory of Oil is used up. This is also a race against mankind's interests in reducing greenhouse gasses. This is a rough estimate, but there are only about 40 years left of oil. Here are the

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread David Roberson
-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 1:11 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:15 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: This is exactly why so many question the science. A good scientist should remain skeptical under these conditions and clearly the science

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: It is likely that a prime early use of LENR will to extend the productive life of oilfields by a large factor. The USA has a sunk-cost infrastructure of 150,000,000 working vehicles . . . That does not mean much. The average U.S. automobile lasts 8 to

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread hohlr...@gmail.com
So, when did the a stop gathering horse biscuits in NYC? :-)

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread hohlr...@gmail.com
Actually that was a plot in a movie. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:global warming? Date: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 2:49 PM I've wondered if the Oil industry isn't just trying to

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Weather forecast is virtually perfect for the next hour at most locations but hopeless in predicting what will happen in a week. I view the global warming modeling process in a similar manner. As I pointed out, and as countless climate experts have

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I suppose the difference between your beliefs and mine amounts to my expectation that the climate change scientists should be held to a high standard as is required of most other endeavors. You apparently are

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think anyone is arguing for giving climate scientists a free pass for anything they want to do, anymore than we would argue here for giving physicists a free pass to endlessly pour money into ITER or the National Ignition Facility; certainly not

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jojo Iznart
Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? I've wondered if the Oil industry isn't just trying to stall other forms of energy until the inventory of Oil is used up. This is also a race against mankind's interests in reducing greenhouse gasses. This is a rough estimate, but there are only about 40

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread David Roberson
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 4:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Weather forecast is virtually perfect for the next hour at most locations but hopeless in predicting what will happen in a week. I view

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
of accelerating carbon emissions. Why is that? and please don't tell me that it is due to Global warming. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 2:49 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:global warming? I've

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread David Roberson
@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I suppose the difference between your beliefs and mine amounts to my expectation that the climate change scientists should be held

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread CB Sites
to generate predictions of value. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Daniel Rocha
If you get a few of these new your home, with you nearby too, I guess it would be good for human kind too: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/02/110223-nuclear-war-winter-global-warming-environment-science-climate-change/ :^) 2014-08-24 21:48 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-24 Thread Jojo Iznart
to freezing. - Original Message - From: CB Sites To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Jojo, I really think you miss the point. Let assume a moment the global average temperature was 6C above average. That is 42.8 degrees

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Eric: ... The argument eventually dies down and people find something else to argue about. One of the quincentennial interpretations of this all-too-human condition was best depicted in the ground breaking film, The Truman Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_zYn-HHcyA

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Skip over to three minute fifty second mark, 3:50. Everything is explained in the final 10 seconds (5:00-5:10). I saw it more of an escaping from the placenta thing, with a large cheering

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: I saw it more of an escaping from the placenta thing, with a large cheering audience. Not disagreeing with you. It was the last 10 seconds that I was focusing on. Next time viewing on the [boobtube? flatscreen? interesting contrast] is sparse try this: I currently

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Not disagreeing with you. It was the last 10 seconds that I was focusing on. Yeah. Me, too. I loaded Starship Troopers - 1080p. But I'm not sure if I have a + account. Good grief! Looks like I

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Axil Axil
There is a 30 year ocean temperature oscillation due to the Atlantic and southern sea saline inversion. On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: Fraud is too strong a word. Last I heard, there was controversy about including temps from the 1930's ( which were

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Axil Axil
Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Jed is write in my opinion between the deniers of global warming and the skeptic of cold fusion, in some aspects. I think the better analogy is deniers of anthropogenic global warming and the tobacco industry lobby that claimed tobacco didn't cause cancer

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2014-08-23 Thread Jojo Iznart
- Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? There is a 30 year ocean temperature oscillation due to the Atlantic and southern sea saline inversion. On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Zell

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2014-08-22 Thread CB Sites
Jed is write in my opinion between the deniers of global warming and the skeptic of cold fusion, in some aspects. I think the better analogy is deniers of anthropogenic global warming and the tobacco industry lobby that claimed tobacco didn't cause cancer. It took a long time for that debate to

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-22 Thread David Roberson
inappropriate language. Dave -Original Message- From: CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Jed is write in my opinion between the deniers of global warming and the skeptic of cold fusion, in some aspects

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2014-08-22 Thread Jojo Iznart
all-inclusive symptoms list. Everything is taken as proof of the theory. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Bullsht

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2014-08-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:50 PM, CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: Jed is write in my opinion between the deniers of global warming and the skeptic of cold fusion, in some aspects. For anyone who may be new to the list, global warming is one of several topics that perennially pop up during

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-21 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Maybe the neighborhood feline took care of the problems? -m From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 2:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:global warming? I noticed something last week. No more bird pew on my law chairs. The robins

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2014-08-21 Thread Chris Zell
Farmer's Almanac sez it's gonna be awful cold this winter From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:53 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:global warming? Maybe the neighborhood feline took care

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2014-08-21 Thread Craig Haynie
What I noticed is that last year we started to have a select number of trees turn red and yellow, beginning in the first week of August. It was unusual, and people were commenting on it in the newspapers, and on television. Then we had the coldest winter since 1979. This year, nothing. Craig

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2014-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
More vacuum in our atmosphere causes accelerated time (aging/decaying) and colder weather because we are all getting condensed by the vacuum. Too much vacuum = ice age. On Thursday, August 21, 2014, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: What I noticed is that last year we started to

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2014-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree. I think once they find the other 95% energy in the universe they will understand how F'd up they are My theory explains what creates a cool breeze... On Thursday, August 21, 2014, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Global Warming is the only field in science that can get away

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2014-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
You forgot: The coral reefs are dissolving due to global warming The starfish are dissolving due to global warming The crabs are disappearing due to global warming Excessive algae blooms are due to global warming The frogs are disappearing due to global warming All animals are vanishing due to

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2014-08-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Andromeda Galaxy is 2 million light years away. Oh, that's a long time... 2014-08-21 14:01 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: Global Warming alarmists do not realize that their theory is not falsifiable. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

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2014-08-21 Thread leaking pen
Except, in all those cases, there are specific TIME FRAMES and LOCATIONS tied to the theory. Failure to understand that is your problem. May I suggest study and learning, instead of ridicule? You know, being a, dare I say it, SCIENTIST AND SCHOLAR? On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Jojo Iznart

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