I assume that you got a background in software engineering like most people on this list do?

Just think about how you would set up a virtual reality with the purpose of entropy reduction/spiritual growth. Growth is the result of a positive change of your intent. You would need to provide the individuated pieces of consciousness with a _somewhat_ consistent virtual reality in which they can use free will and in which their decisions will result in a feedback (bad decisions and attachment with the physical world leads to suffering).

You would also need a smart way to render the physical reality based on a probability distribution in order to reduce the processing time required. You would end up with something like quantum mechanics as a probabilistic game engine. Then you (the evolutionary process) would probably also find out that it helps the entire thing a lot if you give those individuals working on overcoming their egos more influence over your virtual reality (a positive feedback loop resulting in more positive change). Campbell writes that you would enable those people to utilize a broader spectrum of the probability distribution. There are many books on enlightened people (yes ... also by white people with a scientific background) who do all kind of paranormal stuff. Of course its only paranormal from a Newtonian understanding of things. Once you are open to the possibility that this might in fact be a consciousness development training environment then many things suddenly make perfect sense.

The "goal" of evolution is more complexity and less entropy. If consciousness is the most fundamental substrate of which everything is made of then our purpose would be to become aware of this aspect and to act in alignment of the bigger evolutionary process: To become love, to overcome our egos, to become aware/conscious/enlightened, to reduce systemic entropy ... or however you want to call it.

If you like the God metaphor you can use it as well. The primordial consciousness of which we are all just a tiny individuated parts of can be referred to as "God". As the host of this virtual reality it would be all knowing, all loving, all caring, etc. ...

Why is there still war and suffering if there is an all knowing, all loving "God" hosting this virtual reality? Well because growth must come from within. You can not induce genuine growth by forcing your children to do X or Y. If you want your children to solve a puzzle they have to figure it out on their own. If you solve the puzzle for them there is little that they will learn and little growth. Empathy just has nothing to do with solving puzzles for other beings.

If you really care you can read all the 1000+ pages of his theory ... http://books.google.at/books?id=RYHtBPiZVgsC&lpg=PA1&pg=PA255#v=onepage&q&f=false

On 26.10.2014 03:07, Stanley Nilsen via AGI wrote:
On 10/25/2014 06:33 PM, justcamel via AGI wrote:


If you are running a million instances of "The Sims" trying to find beneficial environment for consciousness evolution you might as well give those "players" who actually develop more influence of the virtual reality and generate a positive feedback loop. Just like Blizzard Entertainment makes decent people "Game Masters" so the game experience (hopefully) improves for everybody.


the first sentence isn't too clear and I'm trying to break it down
1) "give those players who
2)   develop more influence of the virtual reality
3)   generate a positive feedback loop"

for 1) what are we to give them? Give them the label of success?
for 2) is this like a bigger social network? more followers; more friends? for 3) encourage others to contribute in a positive way toward common good

seems as if the "ultimate good" is being defined as
building or creating a beneficial environment for consciousness evolution.

Seems like a tall order for an AGI. And somewhat hard to specify what constitutes "consciousness evolution progress."

I'll think about this a bit more, but coming from my Christian beliefs I find the God explanation to be simpler. And, the ultimate goal simple - to marvel at God.




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