The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 350 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E30> Re: <E30> Re: <E30> Re: <E30> <E30> Free Springs, part 2 Re: BMW P Codes [Solved] Engine rebuilds - can you really get good results? Re: Engine rebuilds - can you really get good results? Re: Look for another BMW for my Dad BMW turbo cars and performance Re: BMW turbo cars and performance Re: BMW turbo cars and performance Steering Rack Replacement
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:40:18 -0400 From: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jenny Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E30> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jenny, I have an '89 325i and the front spoiler is identical to my buddy's 325iS (fog lamps, brake ducts) except for the small extension lip at the bottom.. that's what I meant you could swap over quick and easy (just a bunch of plastic clips) mine has 51 71 1 945 559 (it's black), the iS one (usually body coloured and deeper) is 968 488 - ETK shows both an option on my car the lip often gets pulled off, especially bashing through the snow.. some people stick the skinnier one on in the winter and the deeper iS one in the summer the '87i front bumper is completely different, the '88i is different yet again, but the '89 i/is to '91 are all the same I thought chrisP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] <E30> > You can't swap over the trunk... The opening is completely different. > > The front spoiler can be made to fit a 325I... once you remove the > bumper and swap brackets, shocks and all. > > Sorry > > Jenny Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:44:47 -0500 From: Jenny Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Chris Pawlowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[uucdigest] list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E30> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ya ... I took the thread to be discussing swapping w/ an M3... My error. Your discussion below is correct. Jenny On Sep 3, 2004, at 6:40 AM, Chris Pawlowicz wrote: > jenny, > > I have an '89 325i and the front spoiler is identical to my buddy's > 325iS > (fog lamps, brake ducts) except for the small extension lip at the > bottom.. > that's what I meant you could swap over quick and easy (just a bunch of > plastic clips) > > mine has 51 71 1 945 559 (it's black), the iS one (usually body > coloured and > deeper) is 968 488 - ETK shows both an option on my car > > the lip often gets pulled off, especially bashing through the snow.. > some > people stick the skinnier one on in the winter and the deeper iS one > in the > summer > > the '87i front bumper is completely different, the '88i is different > yet > again, but the '89 i/is to '91 are all the same I thought > > > chrisP > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenny Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:03 PM > Subject: Re: [UUC] <E30> > > >> You can't swap over the trunk... The opening is completely different. >> >> The front spoiler can be made to fit a 325I... once you remove the >> bumper and swap brackets, shocks and all. >> >> Sorry >> >> Jenny Morgan > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:54:00 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E30> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Relative to the 325i, the 325is has: - Limited slip diff (same ratio, 3.73:1 for manual trans cars) (LSD was optional on the "i") - Stiffer springs (but no significant difference in ride height, based on measurements with '87 325is springs on my '90 325i) - Bilstein shocks, like HDs but different valving (1987 only) - not sure whether the Boge shocks on '88 and later "is" were different than on the "i" - 14.5mm rear sway bar vs 12mm (1987 only AFAIK, 1988 definitely had 12mm) - 14x6.5" BBS basketweave wheels vs 14x6" "bottlecaps" (same 195/65 tires though) - One piece deep front air dam (1987 only) - Two piece front lower valence with deep body color lower section (vs ~1" high black plastic strip) (1988 on) - Rear deck lid spoiler - Sport seats - Three spoke sport steering wheel w/ M stripes (1987 through 1989 only) Internally, engines and transmissions were the same. Other things worth noting, these things were standard on the "is" but optional on the "i": - Leather interior - Full on-board computer - Electric sunroof - Premium sound system - Limited slip diff (mentioned above) In 1991, BMW eliminated the 325is as a separate model, but made a Sport Package available for both the 2 door and 4 door 325i. Pretty much everything mentioned above was in the Sport Package. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i 1991 325iA 1987 325is (RIP) >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:06:32 -0700 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: <E30> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >In going through the Bentley there is not a chart which shows the >differences between the set up of the 325i and 325iS. (In this case both >1989's). There are tables showing an M sport version which I assume to be >the E30 M3. > >The suspension seems stiffer on the iS. > >What set up does the E30 325iS have that are not on the 325i? eg. sway >bars, springs, dampers etc. (already know about the LS diff). > >-Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:54:33 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E30> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Huh? Are you telling me that I can't put an '87 325is trunk lid on my 1990 325i? Hey, the springs that keep the lid up are a little weak (the "is" springs are intended to hold up the extra weight of the spoiler), but it fits fine. I must have installed in incorrectly if it is not supposed to fit. :^) Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i w/ 1987 325is trunk lid >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:03:44 -0500 >From: Jenny Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Chris Pawlowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: <E30> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >You can't swap over the trunk... The opening is completely different. > >The front spoiler can be made to fit a 325I... once you remove the >bumper and swap brackets, shocks and all. > >Sorry > >Jenny Morgan > >On Sep 2, 2004, at 8:00 PM, Chris Pawlowicz wrote: > >> front spoiler the same except for the small lip extension - the iS is >> deeper.. pops off pretty easily and snaps onto the 325i. Rear trunk lid >> spoiler is bolted to the trunklid.. swap over the complete trunk lid >> >> >> chris pawlowicz >> '89 325i >> '99 Z3 2.8 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:46:30 -0400 From: "K.C. Boyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <E30> Free Springs, part 2 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I also have a set of stock springs for a 325e. Free to anyone willing to pick them up or pay shipping. Located in the Atlanta metro area. KC Boyce '97 M3/4 E30 Eta Page: http://www.e30eta.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:56:40 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: BMW P Codes [Solved] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, I probably shouldn't say this but I think that I solved the problem that was causing the P0171 "System too lean (Bank 1)" error condition on my 330i as well as an uneven idle and periodic stumble upon acceleration. I removed the aftermarket intake and K&N cone filter and re-installed the stock airbox. My car is smooth as silk again and going on two days without the "Service engine soon" light illuminating. My theory is that the poor design of the intake tube was not supporting the weight of the tube and filter which were basically hanging on the MAF sensor. I think that because of the additional stress on tha MAF sensor and intake hoses air was leaking into some portion of the intake after the MAF snesor. Whatever the case, I and my engine are happy again. Thanks for the help in solving this. Regards Jamie Howton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:36:19 -0700 From: "JS Nord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Engine rebuilds - can you really get good results? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> After watching quite a few people experience problems with rebuilt motors, I'm beginning to wonder to what extent you can really be successful in "rebuilding" a motor. I don't think it's the people who are doing this as they all seem to be savy & smart. Problems seem to center around escalated oil consumption relatively shortly after a rebuild - within 1,000s or 10,000's of miles vs. the more typical 100,000+ on factory builds. So, as I ponder what to do with my aging M30 bottom end, I'm wondering what sort of rebuilding expectations I ought to have. What are my "critical success factors" in making sure my rebuild works out? TIA! Jeff 90 535i ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Engine rebuilds - can you really get good results? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> High quality parts, straight bores with proper crosshatch for the rings, clean assembly. No rocket science. Gary Derian --- JS Nord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After watching quite a few people experience > problems with rebuilt motors, > I'm beginning to wonder to what extent you can > really be successful in > "rebuilding" a motor. I don't think it's the people > who are doing this as > they all seem to be savy & smart. > > Problems seem to center around escalated oil > consumption relatively shortly > after a rebuild - within 1,000s or 10,000's of miles > vs. the more typical > 100,000+ on factory builds. > > So, as I ponder what to do with my aging M30 bottom > end, I'm wondering what > sort of rebuilding expectations I ought to have. > What are my "critical > success factors" in making sure my rebuild works > out? > > TIA! > > Jeff > 90 535i > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:11:56 +0000 From: "Evan A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Look for another BMW for my Dad Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If your Dad didn't change the tranny or diff fluid for 400K miles, then he should look for a vehicle _without_ a tranny or diff, or one that never needs the fluids changed. Coincidentally, BMW claims that E46s satisfy the latter -- don't believe them. But seriously, _every_ car's tranny _and_ diff fluids should be changed about every 30K miles, or you're just asking for trouble. In my area (California central coast), there are always dozens of used E46s listed in the weekly car ad publications, making it a buyer's market. If these exist in your area, check them out. RoadFly.org is another resource for used cars, which lets you search by geographical area, price, mileage, etc. HTH, Evan - still looking for another BMW ---- Original Message ---- My dad is finally retiring his 1991 318is with 400K miles on it. Yes it still runs good, but it is starting to nickel and dime him to death. Of coarse he has never changed the tranny or diff oil, and used Castrol GTX (engine) the entire life of the car. I'm rather sad to see it go, this was my first BMW experience that led to my addiction. Then I drove an E30 M3 when I worked at a used car lot - that was it. Like crack, I was hooked. He is looking for the following: E46 325 or 330 Ci, Xi, or i Manual Transmission for choice Automatic if it comes to that around 30K miles, give or take _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:28:01 -0500 From: "Roy T. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: BMW turbo cars and performance Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been looking over BMW history recently and I am surprised that BMW does not have a current turbo car for gasoline powered engines. With all the hype that turbo cars have been given lately you would think that BMW would have a turbo gasoline model. I mean they did create the X5 with the SUV craze. Does anyone know why BMW does not have a turbo car? Also what is the major downside to a turbo short of maintenance concerns. It seems that turbos are a logical evolution of the engine. It allows for more efficient fuel combustion and incredible power with much smaller blocks making for more efficient performance...more power less weight. There has to be a draw back, right? All my friends are turbo dodge junkies and they have been hounding me to get one. They have been racing over-boosted Dodges for years with incredibly powerful engines. I usually hit them back with the handling argument that power is useless without control. Recently however it seems that you can get an equivalently handling car with more power for much less than a stock BMW with little power, in comparison. My friends cars with a few inexpensive mods have the same performance as mine but end up costing half as much in the end, even after the cost of the mods. The same upgrade to my car costs significantly more. Does it perform better? I guess I am questioning my BMW loyalty. Why do we buy BMWs? Short of spending more what more do we really get. Do we pay more only to say "yes, I bought an expensive car". BMW has been a performance minded company with the enthusiast in mind. Also I do like the fact that BMW has always been on a very technology heavy path. The next cars may just drive themselves. But does paying more get me anymore performance over other cars. If I wanted to pay more just to show that I paid more I would own a Jag. Right now I am looking at getting my 3rd BMW now but I am second guessing my choice of car. Someone re-convince me to buy BMW. Plus I think the discussion alone is very interesting. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:42:04 -0700 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Roy T. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BMW turbo cars and performance Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There's a lot of Supra turbo and Mazda RXD-7twin turbo guys and ladies out here around the Bay Area dust my a$^ pushing 4 sec zero to sixty 350+ hp motors. At the street races Jack the E36 //M3 holds his own on the road against almost any N-A car short of another well tuned //M3 (Jack eats stock //M3s for breakfast on the 101) or some big American V8s, but yes, why doesn't BMW make a gentle turbo or blower motor? If Toyota can make a bulletproof straight 6 to reliably and repeatedly handle 400+hp at 7000rpm, why can't/ or won't BMW? the induction, exhaust, and electronics alone would be great aftermarket items for the older models. Barry /sometimes frustrated street racer Roy T. Collins wrote: >I have been looking over BMW history recently and I am surprised that >BMW does not have a current turbo car for gasoline powered engines. >With all the hype that turbo cars have been given lately you would think >that BMW would have a turbo gasoline model. I mean they did create the >X5 with the SUV craze. Does anyone know why BMW does not have a turbo >car? > >Also what is the major downside to a turbo short of maintenance >concerns. It seems that turbos are a logical evolution of the engine. >It allows for more efficient fuel combustion and incredible power with >much smaller blocks making for more efficient performance...more power >less weight. There has to be a draw back, right? > >All my friends are turbo dodge junkies and they have been hounding me to >get one. They have been racing over-boosted Dodges for years with >incredibly powerful engines. I usually hit them back with the handling >argument that power is useless without control. Recently however it >seems that you can get an equivalently handling car with more power for >much less than a stock BMW with little power, in comparison. My friends >cars with a few inexpensive mods have the same performance as mine but >end up costing half as much in the end, even after the cost of the mods. >The same upgrade to my car costs significantly more. Does it perform >better? > >I guess I am questioning my BMW loyalty. Why do we buy BMWs? Short of >spending more what more do we really get. Do we pay more only to say >"yes, I bought an expensive car". BMW has been a performance minded >company with the enthusiast in mind. Also I do like the fact that BMW >has always been on a very technology heavy path. The next cars may just >drive themselves. But does paying more get me anymore performance over >other cars. If I wanted to pay more just to show that I paid more I >would own a Jag. Right now I am looking at getting my 3rd BMW now but I >am second guessing my choice of car. Someone re-convince me to buy BMW. >Plus I think the discussion alone is very interesting. > > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:47:31 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BMW turbo cars and performance Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hell, you can tune a 2.0L Saab 4 to 400hp easily. As long as the tranny holds up you're good to go. I love turbo motors. That being said, BMW's a little too conservative for that. Turbos really don't have any downsides as long as they're properly designed with oil cooling & all that. I know a lot of Saab turbos with 300,400, 500k miles on the original engine & turbo. My 9000 turbo, I sold with over 200k & it ran really strong & would pull 140+mph EASY. Where turbos can suffer is in drivability if not properly tuned. My 9-3SE will cold smoke a 330 at speeds in overboost. However, it's a big turbo, if I let it get caught down in the revs, I'd have a lot of ground to make up by the time that happened. You can get around that with 2 smaller turbos. Turbo lag is probably the biggest reason BMW won't use turbos. I'd think that another big thing is that turbos have a lot of headroom for power & that might become a warranty issue. Another point is that turbos really need to be warmed up & cooled down. Saab recommends waiting until the water temp is all the way up before really getting into the boost, to save the bearings. Saab also recommends allowing it to cool down, i.e. no real boost the last couple of minutes & then allowing the car to sit at idle for 1 minute before shutting off. This keeps the oil from turning back into coal. This kind of thing can be annoying. To the original question, BMWs just are not particularly fast cars & they are really expensive for what you get. If you want a fast, high-hp car, just go buy one. BMWs are basically well-engineered, very refined cars that offer very good performance. Yes, a 330 is going to lose a drag race to a 265hp Maxima, but the BMW for sure has better brakes & handling. It will also basically drive down the street with a much higher degree of refinement! One thing I noticed looking at cars recently, while they are faster, the Japanese cars have really small brakes compared to even a 330Ci, none the less an M3. However, good brakes & handling will only take you so far, eventually, the power is just going to eat you up. If you want to go fast, you're just going to have to suffer a loss of refinement & go with good old American Iron or Japanese turbos. Ask ol' Ben what motivated the purchase of his STi????? Prolly that it will smoke anything BMW has to offer & with a little tweaking will work on smoking just about anything. I love my E30 M3, it's a blast to drive & will actually fly past a lot of cars with much more power, but even so I find myself sometimes longing for lots of power--this usually happens after I drive my buddy's Z06 or Z28......I keep thinking that it would be cool to be throwing out, like 300hp, in that car, but that would cost more than just buying a fast car. Now, are BMWs better cars? Dunno. They're more expensive. But, I have a 16yr old car that will out auto-x & track many cars available now (even ones with quite a lot of sporting pretentions). Oh yea, it has 152k on the original driveline. I drive it to track events, throw on track tires, beat it 2x as hard as everybody else (even the guys who are braking stuff left & right) & then drive it home. Sounds like it's pretty good to me....... Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JKerouac > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 17:42 > To: Roy T. Collins > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] BMW turbo cars and performance > > > There's a lot of Supra turbo and Mazda RXD-7twin turbo guys and > ladies out here around the Bay Area dust my a$^ pushing 4 sec zero to > sixty 350+ hp motors. At the street races Jack the E36 //M3 > holds his > own on the road against almost any N-A car short of another > well tuned > //M3 (Jack eats stock //M3s for breakfast on the 101) or some big > American V8s, but yes, why doesn't BMW make a gentle turbo or blower > motor? If Toyota can make a bulletproof straight 6 to reliably and > repeatedly handle 400+hp at 7000rpm, why can't/ or won't BMW? the > induction, exhaust, and electronics alone would be great aftermarket > items for the older models. > > Barry > /sometimes frustrated street racer > > > Roy T. Collins wrote: > > >I have been looking over BMW history recently and I am surprised that > >BMW does not have a current turbo car for gasoline powered engines. > >With all the hype that turbo cars have been given lately you > would think > >that BMW would have a turbo gasoline model. I mean they did > create the > >X5 with the SUV craze. Does anyone know why BMW does not > have a turbo > >car? > > > >Also what is the major downside to a turbo short of maintenance > >concerns. It seems that turbos are a logical evolution of > the engine. > >It allows for more efficient fuel combustion and incredible > power with > >much smaller blocks making for more efficient > performance...more power > >less weight. There has to be a draw back, right? > > > >All my friends are turbo dodge junkies and they have been > hounding me to > >get one. They have been racing over-boosted Dodges for years with > >incredibly powerful engines. I usually hit them back with > the handling > >argument that power is useless without control. Recently however it > >seems that you can get an equivalently handling car with > more power for > >much less than a stock BMW with little power, in comparison. > My friends > >cars with a few inexpensive mods have the same performance > as mine but > >end up costing half as much in the end, even after the cost > of the mods. > >The same upgrade to my car costs significantly more. Does it perform > >better? > > > >I guess I am questioning my BMW loyalty. Why do we buy > BMWs? Short of > >spending more what more do we really get. Do we pay more only to say > >"yes, I bought an expensive car". BMW has been a performance minded > >company with the enthusiast in mind. Also I do like the fact that BMW > >has always been on a very technology heavy path. The next > cars may just > >drive themselves. But does paying more get me anymore > performance over > >other cars. If I wanted to pay more just to show that I paid more I > >would own a Jag. Right now I am looking at getting my 3rd > BMW now but I > >am second guessing my choice of car. Someone re-convince me > to buy BMW. > >Plus I think the discussion alone is very interesting. > > > > > > > >Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ > _____________ > >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:00:34 -0600 From: "dmpm4" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Steering Rack Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a friend in the BMW club that needs a new steering rack for his 97 M3. There are two kinds that the garage told him about. One was the ZF rebuilt, and the other was a Mayville (He thought this was what they told him, but not sure). The ZF was about $250 more than the other one. Does anyone have any advice on what to use? Dave 95 M3 ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
