The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 369 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: M5 on bmw's website Re: M5 on bmw's website M5 Re: M5 Re: M5 Axle Nut Torque Accuracy Re: Axle Nut Torque Accuracy Re: Axle Nut Torque Accuracy ABS Sensor Wire Holder Thingie? Re: ABS Sensor Wire Holder Thingie? Re: ABS Sensor Wire Holder Thingie? Wheel Bearing Project - The Climactic Moment... shock/strut upgrade
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M5 on bmw's website Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sat, 18 Sep 2004, m3 drvr wrote: > Compared to 4.6 0-60 with a V-10 and tons more weight this is not > really a step up for the M5. PLUS they are not offering a stick...what > happened to the Motorsport tradition??? Actually, if it's anything like the other E60s, it will be the same weight or lighter than the E39, with a lower polar moment of inertia as well since the front suspension and steering (now rack and pinion) of the car is all aluminum, and more rear parts (subframe, shock tubes, 4 suspension links, and spring pads) are all aluminum, too. BTW, these are all standard features on any E60, not just the M5. The regular E60s also get aluminum brake calipers, and aluminum rotor hats (though it's not a floating rotor), reducing unsprung weight even more. The E60 M5 will have the lowest weight to power ratio of any production BMW, about 7.7 lbs/hp, compared to an E46 M3's and E39 M5's 10 lbs/hp. For comparison, the M3 GTR (the one that was banned) is around 5, and the McLaren F1 road car is 3.7. This assumes that the "power" button is engaged so that the M5 gets all 500 hp, otherwise the (individually controlled) throttles open only 90 percent to restrict power to 400 hp. The E60 M5's SMG transmission has 7 forward speeds, which BMW claims is not amenable to an H-pattern shifter. It apparently has some tricky engagement patterns for its gears as well which may make it also unsuitable for an H-pattern shifter. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:04:47 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M5 on bmw's website Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -> -----Original Message----- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andre Yew -> The -> regular E60s also get aluminum brake calipers, and aluminum -> rotor hats (though it's not a floating rotor), reducing -> unsprung weight even more. Ditto the E39. All you mention was AL. on the E39 except for the body of course. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:20:21 -0700 From: Tom Kosmalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: M5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Regarding Andrew's post, do you think a guy could get a 10% discount on a new M5 if he promised to never push the "power" button, thereby suffering through life with a measly 400hp? Just a thought. Tom Kosmalski ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:18:44 -0500 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Another 100 hp would be nice, but I too doubt I'd like the SMG, and I prefer the looks of the E39. While the E60 and E39 are both overweight, the E60 is actually about 70 lb l*lighter* than the E39. Scott '01 M5 >Compared to 4.6 0-60 with a V-10 and tons more weight this is not >really a step up for the M5. PLUS they are not offering a stick...what >happened to the Motorsport tradition??? > >Clyde >98 M3/4 > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:21:10 -0400 From: "m3 drvr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does anyone know the price BMW is looking to get for this car??? I've heard rumors of over $85k which is pretty expensive when you compare it to a RS6 (flame suit on).... Clyde 98 M3/4 >From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [UUC] M5 >Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:18:44 -0500 > >Another 100 hp would be nice, but I too doubt I'd like the SMG, and I >prefer the looks of the E39. >While the E60 and E39 are both overweight, the E60 is actually about 70 lb >l*lighter* than the E39. > >Scott >'01 M5 > >>Compared to 4.6 0-60 with a V-10 and tons more weight this is not >>really a step up for the M5. PLUS they are not offering a stick...what >>happened to the Motorsport tradition??? >> >>Clyde >>98 M3/4 >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:26:58 -0700 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E30 Yahoo Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Axle Nut Torque Accuracy Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here's a quick question for those of you who work regularly with E30 halfshafts. The Bentley manual calls for ~150 ft-lbs on the big axle nut. Due to the customary circumstances beyond my control, I did not have a torque wrench calibrated to work in that range. So I used the age old method of putting a pipe extension on my breaker bar and standing on a bathroom scale to measure the force on the wrench. Holding the pipe 2 feet from the socket end of the wrench, I pulled up on the breaker bar handle until the scale said I weighed 75 lbs more. Of course, the accuracy of this method is questionable, for multiple reasons. My question is, how close do I really have to be to 150 ft-lbs? There is a +/- range listed in the Bentley, but who knows if I'm within the range? Oh yeah, and I'll be making an appointment with my chiropractor to work a bit on my lower back. TIA, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:48:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Axle Nut Torque Accuracy Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If 75 lb hurt your back, you need to begin an exercise program :-). You could have put the wrench on the other side and stepped on it until 75 lb less was on your other foot. Torque is a +/- 50% deal anyway, so don't sweat it. Your method is as good as most torque wrenches. I have never worked with an E30 halfshaft so you may disregard my comment. Gary Derian --- Scott & Charlotte Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a quick question for those of you who work > regularly with E30 > halfshafts. The Bentley manual calls for ~150 > ft-lbs on the big axle > nut. Due to the customary circumstances beyond my > control, I did not > have a torque wrench calibrated to work in that > range. > > So I used the age old method of putting a pipe > extension on my breaker > bar and standing on a bathroom scale to measure the > force on the > wrench. Holding the pipe 2 feet from the socket end > of the wrench, I > pulled up on the breaker bar handle until the scale > said I weighed 75 > lbs more. > > Of course, the accuracy of this method is > questionable, for multiple > reasons. My question is, how close do I really have > to be to 150 > ft-lbs? There is a +/- range listed in the Bentley, > but who knows if > I'm within the range? > > Oh yeah, and I'll be making an appointment with my > chiropractor to > work a bit on my lower back. > > TIA, > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:29:39 -0500 From: "Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Axle Nut Torque Accuracy Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There are so many variables that contribute to the holding force of a nut or bolt - the condition of the threads, lubricant on the threads, surface finish, and so on. The exception would be torque-to-yield fasteners. The strength of a section of metal can be controlled more closely than the menagerie of conditions involved with conventional threaded fasteners. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott & Charlotte Miller Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 1:27 PM To: UUC Digest; E30 Yahoo Group Subject: [UUC] Axle Nut Torque Accuracy Here's a quick question for those of you who work regularly with E30 halfshafts. The Bentley manual calls for ~150 ft-lbs on the big axle nut. Due to the customary circumstances beyond my control, I did not have a torque wrench calibrated to work in that range. So I used the age old method of putting a pipe extension on my breaker bar and standing on a bathroom scale to measure the force on the wrench. Holding the pipe 2 feet from the socket end of the wrench, I pulled up on the breaker bar handle until the scale said I weighed 75 lbs more. Of course, the accuracy of this method is questionable, for multiple reasons. My question is, how close do I really have to be to 150 ft-lbs? There is a +/- range listed in the Bentley, but who knows if I'm within the range? Oh yeah, and I'll be making an appointment with my chiropractor to work a bit on my lower back. TIA, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:56:32 -0700 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "E30 Yahoo Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ABS Sensor Wire Holder Thingie? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On the outboard edges of the trailing arms on my E30 '90 325i are tiny metal button-like gizmos that look like they're there to secure a wire holder. Also, the ABS sensor wires have a couple of marks at the point where they go past that part of the trailing arms, as if to indicate a location where the holder should hold. This is similar to the tiny metal buttol-like gizmos and marks on the wires where they are secured to the top/rear of the subframe with wire holder thingies. Am I supposed to have wire holder thingies for the trailing arms for this purpose? I have none, and didn't before I even started this rediculous project. If perhaps someone has a part number, I could mosey down to my parts place next week and get some. TIA, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ABS Sensor Wire Holder Thingie? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The trailing arm gets 4 brackets, p/n 63-12-1-364-431. The subframe gets 2 brackets 34-52-1-154-232. Brake pipes are held with 4 brackets 34-30-1-161-567 and 1 31-32-1-158-467. Gary Derian --- Scott & Charlotte Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the outboard edges of the trailing arms on my E30 > '90 325i are tiny > metal button-like gizmos that look like they're > there to secure a wire > holder. Also, the ABS sensor wires have a couple of > marks at the > point where they go past that part of the trailing > arms, as if to > indicate a location where the holder should hold. > This is similar to > the tiny metal buttol-like gizmos and marks on the > wires where they > are secured to the top/rear of the subframe with > wire holder thingies. > > Am I supposed to have wire holder thingies for the > trailing arms for > this purpose? I have none, and didn't before I even > started this > rediculous project. If perhaps someone has a part > number, I could > mosey down to my parts place next week and get some. > > TIA, > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:26:04 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ABS Sensor Wire Holder Thingie? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gary Derian wrote: >The trailing arm gets 4 brackets, p/n 63-12-1-364-431. >The subframe gets 2 brackets 34-52-1-154-232. Brake >pipes are held with 4 brackets 34-30-1-161-567 and 1 >31-32-1-158-467. > > the new-style ones are a nicer design than the original ones too. old are hard plastic (white in the case of my car) new ones are a plastic outer with rubber inner part to grip the lines. oh wait you mean the ABS sensor holder ones. I was talking about the ones which hold the brake lines. never mind. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:44:12 -0700 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "E30 Yahoo Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Wheel Bearing Project - The Climactic Moment... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ...will have to wait a little bit longer. In all these months of trying to take longer to change rear wheel bearings than Shifty took for his transmission swap, the battery on my car died. And apparently my jumper cables are in the back of the Durango, which went with Charlotte to Castro Valley. So there will be a brief pause while the battery charger does its thing. Tick......tick......tick....... (this is time passing while the battery charges) .....tick.......tick......tick.... Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:40:01 -0700 From: Tom Kosmalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: shock/strut upgrade Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I liked this phrase in a recent post, so I'll start with it: "With flame suit on" I will note that my recently acquired 325iT has a bit of a vague, floaty feeling in the front suspension. Here's the part that might require the flame suit. It's definitely not as "buttoned down" in the front end as my 95 Saab 900SE (V6, 5 spd) was with 140k and kyb gas shocks. Any opinions? I am thinking and hoping that an aftermarket set of shocks and struts will take care of this. Not really interested (yet) in going the springs/swaybars/etc. route, if I can avoid it. So I guess what I am really asking is for opinions about shock/strut brands for someone wanting firmer street handling. No track/autocross plans. Thanks! Tom Kosmalski ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
