The BMW UUC Digest
Volume 2 : Issue 462 : "text" Format
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Speaking of Pads
Re: Speaking of Pads
Re: Speaking of Pads
Re: Speaking of Pads
Re: [E36] Horrible cold-start consumption
Coolant Filter?
Re: Ground Control RSM installation questions
Re: Ground Control RSM installation questions
Re: Ground Control RSM installation questions
Re: [bmwuucdigest] Akebono pads
OT: Audi lists
Re: OT: Audi lists
Re: OT: Audi lists]
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:41:58 -0800 (PST)
From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Speaking of Pads
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Just installed Hawk HP+ and new rotors on my E34 M5 in
the rear. They are squealing like a stuck pig even
after a day at Laguna Seca. They were even making
noise during hot laps which is quite an accomplishment
in a 3800lb car. The previous race pads I ran, Mintex
Ctech, squealed a little but nothing like this. Is
this normal or should I put some non-squeal goop on
them (I hate the stuff)? Any other tips would be
appreciated.
Kevin Kelly
'91 M5
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:50:55 -0500
From: Steve Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Speaking of Pads
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
My experience says that is normal. I found the aluminum stick on shims
work better then the goop.
-Steve
'89 M3 that squeals........
kjk wrote:
> Just installed Hawk HP+ and new rotors on my E34 M5 in
> the rear. They are squealing like a stuck pig even
> after a day at Laguna Seca. They were even making
> noise during hot laps which is quite an accomplishment
> in a 3800lb car. The previous race pads I ran, Mintex
> Ctech, squealed a little but nothing like this. Is
> this normal or should I put some non-squeal goop on
> them (I hate the stuff)? Any other tips would be
> appreciated.
>
> Kevin Kelly
> '91 M5
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:03:41 -0600
From: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Steve Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Speaking of Pads
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
They squeal like hell on my E36 M3 too with light braking, they seem
to quiet down a bit if you push on the middle pedal harder. They stop
pretty well though so I just live with it.
Regards
Jamie Howton
2002 330i 5 Spd (For sale)
2000 M5
1995 M3
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:06:24 -0800
From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Steve Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Speaking of Pads
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hawks require a liberal globbing of anti-squeel. The normal coat I put
on them when first installed was insufficient so I globbed it on
heavily, as recommended on the digest back in September, and it finally
cured the problem.
Steve Nash wrote:
> My experience says that is normal. I found the aluminum stick on
> shims work better then the goop.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:02:36 -0800
From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[uucdigest]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [E36] Horrible cold-start consumption
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The limits of the adaptive system for the stock MAF can be exceeded
by, for instance, a larger HFM tube with higher fuel pressure.
The system adapts to the greater airflow and higher fuel pressure
to be rich enough at wot, however the CE comes on due to not being able
to run _lean enough on part throttle cruising.
A side effect of installing the larger HFM tube was that the ICV
went hyperactive, shooting the idle way too high immediately on cold
start. Problem was the system was now mis-reading as way too lean and
shooting extra gas to try to compensate, while it was actually the
metering at low airflow that was incorrect for the actual airflow
through the tube.
To deal with hyperactive ICV sutuations where the problem is the
metering (due to larger air tubes or bored out throttles), not the ICV,
here's stupid little trick that some of you will laugh at, but is
effective in some cases nevertheless:
Put a washer with a small inner hole (1/4"?) into the inlet hose just
before the Idle Control Valve. That will restrict the air flow to the
ICV, so that the adaptive system will not pump as much fuel. After a
few starts and stalls the adaptive system will lean itself again at idle
and the system will now use less fuel while the engine is cold.
ymmv,
Barry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> <>Brian questions my knowledge and advice (and rightly so):
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:42:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [E36] Horrible cold-start consumption
> Message-ID: <
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>>Don't all M50s have hot-wire MAFs as opposed to the vane-type AFM you
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>describe? If so there's
>
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>>nothing to be adjusted, mechanically anyway. Also if the ECU thinks
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>you're flowing more air and
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>>runs rich as a result it won't do so for long. That's what the O2 sensors
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>are there for. Adaptive will
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>>lean it back out to stoich when the O2 sensors show rich in closed-loop,
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>at least up to a point.
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>
>>You'd have to do something pretty radical to a MAF to change the
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>airflow/voltage curve beyond the
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>>limits of adaptive to compensate for it, and if you exceed that limit it
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>will throw a check engine light.Brian94 325icPavel stated that his car has an
>engine that was not imported to the U.S.
>
>
>> <>(M50B20TU). Quite honestly, I know nothing about non-U.S. models, so I
>> assumed that he actually has an air flow meter (AFM), as he stated in his
>> question. But then he clarified that he has the MAF sensor, so obviously
>> my parroting of Mr. Conforti's advice was misplaced here. But he still
>> says there is some adjustment, and I was not aware of any. Whatever.
>> The ability of the ECU to adapt to a rich or lean running condition is
>> somewhat limited. I pictured the possibility that the "AFM" was adjusted
>> beyond the range of the ECU to adapt. However, if this were the case,
>> then
>> it should have set an error code that air/fuel ratio was out of range, or
>> some such thing. Plus, the problem was associated with cold starting. Is
>> the 02 sensor in the loop during cold starts? Or only after warm-up? I'm
>> not sure.Scott MillerGGC BMW CCA
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:00:29 -0500
From: Steve Lilley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: BMW UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Coolant Filter?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Anyone here ever use a coolant filter on their BMW? I
stumbled across the following links:
Installing a Coolant Filter:
http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/sctefba.html
Tefba Car Radiator Filter:
http://www.babymall.com.au/tefba/
Whenever I've drained the coolant, it usually looks very
clean - with no obvious chunks that a filter would catch.
None of my cars are that old, however, so I wondered if
others had used these and seen any benefit.
Regards,
Steve
2004 330i ZHP
1998 Volvo V70XC
1998 MB E320 Wagon
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:57:30 -0500
From: "marshall lytle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Andre Yew'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ground Control RSM installation questions
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have had nothing but OUTSTANDING customer service from GC/AD. On my
second full race setup from them and they have always been helpful and
prompt.
Marshall
93 325is #64 JP/ITS
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andre Yew
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UUC] Ground Control RSM installation questions
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Richard Dorffer wrote:
> Why, so you can give them the "bird" for their crappy customer service?
Ouch. I've heard varied reports about GC's customer service, from really
nice things (someone who ordered their coilover kit getting a lot of
pre-sales help to figure out what they needed) to bad things. When I called
them, they seem a bit rushed and busy, but gave me the info I needed.
Perhaps I caught them on an OK day?
Thanks for the info, too.
--Andre
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:27:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: marshall lytle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Andre Yew'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ground Control RSM installation questions
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- marshall lytle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have had nothing but OUTSTANDING customer service from GC/AD. On
> my second full race setup from them and they have always been helpful
> and prompt.
It's hit or miss. I'm not as dissatisfied with them as Rich but I
definitely see where he's coming from. I really like their products
and more importantly their pricing so I keep going back and suffer
through the customer service problems. Best suggestion I've heard yet
is to order their stuff through Bimmerworld, now *their* customer
service should be the benchmark for aftermarket suppliers. GC does
very well with California residents but for some reason not so well
with folks outside of that state. I've heard lots of reasons and that
their working on improving so I'll still give them a chance. I had a
GC suspension on my E30 M3 and really liked it, now I have one for the
E36 sitting in the garage, I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with that as
well.
Carlos.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:49:33 -0500
From: "marshall lytle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Carlos Lopez'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Andre Yew'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ground Control RSM installation questions
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
They must do well with Virginia customers too.....me and bimmerworld! ;-)
My first setup on an e30 race car.
Second setup for e36 race car. Actually sourced it though Bimmerworld.
Completely agree with your comment on Bimmerworld customer service,
outstanding!
Marshall
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Lopez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 10:27 PM
To: marshall lytle; 'Andre Yew'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UUC] Ground Control RSM installation questions
--- marshall lytle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have had nothing but OUTSTANDING customer service from GC/AD. On
> my second full race setup from them and they have always been helpful
> and prompt.
It's hit or miss. I'm not as dissatisfied with them as Rich but I
definitely see where he's coming from. I really like their products and
more importantly their pricing so I keep going back and suffer through the
customer service problems. Best suggestion I've heard yet is to order their
stuff through Bimmerworld, now *their* customer service should be the
benchmark for aftermarket suppliers. GC does very well with California
residents but for some reason not so well with folks outside of that state.
I've heard lots of reasons and that their working on improving so I'll still
give them a chance. I had a GC suspension on my E30 M3 and really liked it,
now I have one for the
E36 sitting in the garage, I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with that as well.
Carlos.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:22:46 -0600
From: "Dave Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] Akebono pads
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I've been running a set on my 99 M3 for about 6-8 months now - obtained from
Rob at UUC Motorworks on kind a of trial basis. I could not be happier with
them - they are infinitely cleaner than the OEM pads, no noise issues or
other bad things whatsover in general street driving. Compared to the PBR
Deluxe pads that I have on my 528, they are almost as clean, leaving a very
slight dust after two weeks of driving (less than one day worth on the
OEMs).
I installed them using new Brembo rotors. Overall I'd say they are somewhat
more agressive than the PBRs, based on observing rotor wear.
Dave S
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:33:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Akebono pads was 99 M3 for sale.
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> UUC BBK 14in front and 12.9 rear (KMS installed, red calipers,
> Akebono ceramic pads)
Sorry to change the subject but that caught my eye.
Any of you guys have experience with these pads? I have a co-worker
that asked me about brake pads for his vehicle and this came up as a
possible replacement, he's unhappy with the stock ones.
So how are these Akebono pads in terms of dust? noise? performance?
The other choice that came up was EBC pads and since I think those are
junk I told him to stay away.
Carlos
93 325is on Porterfield R4S (dusty and sometimes noisy)
88 325is on Hawk HP+ (definitely dusty and noisy, I love 'em)
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:49:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Akebono pads
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
don't have any specific experience myself, but recall that our
esteemed list owner has previously mentioned them as being
very effective. Tire Rack sells them (and probably UUC if they're
available for their BBK) and they appear to be pretty reasonably
priced. the E36 M3 pads (also work for lots of other BMW's)
are $68/axle. if they dust lots less, it sounds like a good idea
to me.
Ben
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:58:15 -0500
From: "Carey Probst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E36M3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: Audi lists
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sorry for the OT post but a friend is moving to the states from Austria and
interested in finding an Audi list like these.
He's selling his Audi there and will be buying another when he get here.
Anybody know any good Audi dealers in the Albany, NY area?
TIA
Carey
Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, '86 325e w/i cam
BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters
JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced
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the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:16:20 -0800
From: "John Coffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Carey Probst'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Audi lists
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
www.audiworld.com is a web forum for Audis divided into model types.
www.audizine.com is similar also.
-John
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Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; E36M3
Subject: [UUC] OT: Audi lists
Sorry for the OT post but a friend is moving to the states from Austria and
interested in finding an Audi list like these.
He's selling his Audi there and will be buying another when he get here.
Anybody know any good Audi dealers in the Albany, NY area?
TIA
Carey
Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, '86 325e w/i cam BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley
Chapters JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched,
X-Braced
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:10:34 -0800
From: Norm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: Audi lists]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Carey,
If he is an S Car guy, this is a good place to start:
http://www.s-cars.org/
It will also help him track down an S Car to buy if he not looking to
buy new.
-norm
Carey Probst wrote:
> Sorry for the OT post but a friend is moving to the states from Austria and
> interested in finding an Audi list like these.
>
> He's selling his Audi there and will be buying another when he get here.
>
> Anybody know any good Audi dealers in the Albany, NY area?
>
> TIA
>
> Carey
>
>
>
> Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, '86 325e w/i cam
> BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters
> JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
>
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
>
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