The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 552 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: English Re: English English Re: Porsche 911 (was English) IPOD (again, sorry) Re: IPOD (again, sorry) Re: IPOD (again, sorry) Re: IPOD (again, sorry) Re: Porsche 911 (was: English) Re: Porsche 911 (was: English) Carfax request Re: English Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing E39 Fresh Air Grill Install Question Quiet tire choices for E36 M3
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:53:48 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: English Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > English a difficult language to learn??? I don't think so. > Try learning any asian language or even French... > People are lazy and they just modify the language. Learning to speak English well enough for others to understand you is not difficult. Learning to speak it properly is another story altogether. Getting all the tenses, cases & modifications correctly and mastering pronunciation is VERY difficult I would say. English has so many homonyms, silent letters & other non-phonetic spellings that properly saying a word one sees for the first time is always a little difficult. Now, I would say German is even more difficult. First, you add the whole der, die, das thing. This is usually where I make most of my transgressions when speaking in German; getting the gender and the proper case of the gender correct. Oh yea, the der, die & das change as the participle changes as well......German also has the tendency to string many modifying words together with the subject creating one HUGE word. Furthermore, the main verb comes at the end of the sentence with classifiers mixed in. In my experience, this is an unusual sentence structure. At least it's largely phonetic, meaning seeing a word for the first time rarely results in embarrassment. Now, the other language I'm currently learning is Thai. Here are a couple of pieces of information about that language: 1. It's phonetic, 2. it's tonal, and 3. the structure of sentences is much simpler than Anglo-Saxon languages. For instance, I & me are the same in Thai (pom for a male) she & her are the same. The structure of sentences is easier. There really is only past, present & future. No other tenses are used. There are no definite articles. One would say, "I like BMWs red." One important aspect of speaking in Thai is understanding what is meant through context. The alphabet is 76 characters (44 consonants & 32 vowels) that are no more difficult to learn than roman alphabets, and learning them is important as in many cases proper pronunciation is gleaned from the spelling. I would think that Japanese & Chinese may be a whole different story. Now the pronunciation is important as while mastering sentence structure is easy, if you mispronunciate, people will still not be able to understand. "Kaao" means with a falling tone & rice with a rising tone. A funny one which my German colleague never learned was "kun suai" with a rising tone, which means literally "you beautiful"--in a flirty way. Now, "kun suai" with a flat tone means kind of a "bad luck" or poor wishes to you. Obviously one can see how pronunciation is important as one way results in a phone number & they other an indignant stomping away. > > Bruno ->Doesn't have to learn French... born with it. Lee->lucky enough to have English teacher as a mom.....stumbles through German & will eventually be ruining the Thai language as well. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:56:40 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: English Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Man, no wonder English is considered such a difficult > language to learn. > > Thanks for the clarifications. I guess I need a more > expansive dictionary or need to check that online > MerriamWebster with much more etymology and usage than my > little college dictionary. > > At least my wife will now be spared my pouncing on any > commentator who says for-tay. Now I'll just say "well, they > can pronounce forte at least six different ways and they're > all ok". (i think the period inside the quotes is the US > English convention but I prefer it outside). > > I will try to refrain from posting any more on this topic as > it's apparent some are tiring of it :) > > marty Hey, how was anyone to know this was a forum full of lexicographers....... Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:47:15 -0800 (PST) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: English Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is also height ("hite") not heigth ("hithe"). My mom still yells at me if she hears an "anyways" instead of "anyway." When I am drunk, all bets are off. Kevin Kelly (the other one) '91 M5 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:06:24 -0600 From: "Dewig, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Porsche 911 (was English) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had an Irish chum who referred to my car as a "BM" I asked him why, and much to my chagrin, found that in his homeland, it was commonly understood to be linked with a bowel movement... This ought to contribute to thread perpetuation! Mike DeWig -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Pawlowicz Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Porsche 911 (was English) all the french people I know (as in all the local Quebec french, and when I was last in Paris, the France french) all say 'BM'.. and in german isn't it Bay Em Vay (common saying a few years back was 'bay em vay, get out of the way') and beemer / bimmer is a north american argument only, nobody in the rest of the world cares chrisP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Porsche 911 (was English) > Not as annoyed as I am by other-market folks referring to our favorite > marque as "BMs". > > And back to the language topic, I want to smack the people who > mispronounce > the word marque as "markee" (which is the display at a movie theater) > rather > than "mark". > > - Rob > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:37:30 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Kirk Lachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: IPOD (again, sorry) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ok, so I've watched some of the IPOD interface threads come and go with mild to moderate interest. Then my wife goes and gets one so now I need to fully understand how to hook this thing into her '02 M3 (w/HK, no nav). I'd like to do it for less than the darn IPOD cost and have stumbled across the Crutchfield interface. This interface appears to be a street priced version of the BMW interface as it has 5 programs, etc. similar to the BMW part$ one. I believe they sell it for around $120 so it is priced well below the others, but seems to have less functionality than, say, the new Icelink. Anyone with thoughts or experience in this system? Oh, and on the English "learn-Ed" thread, does this mean UNLV really stands for the University of No Learned Value? :-) Thanks, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:45:30 -0500 From: rmplum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IPOD (again, sorry) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Frankly speaking, we have the "iPodyourBMW" factory kit in our X5 and it pretty much sucks. The innovative part of the iPod is the control system, browsing your playlists/,music, etc. BMW's kit wipes this out completely, and you are forced to surf blindly using 5 pre-determined playlists, which you hopefully know VERY well. Who cares about the steering wheel controls at that point? We have another car here with RCA plugs (aux input). Much better imho. No steering wheel controls, but the iPod is easy enough to use, hasn't been an issue. YMMV, Ryan On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:37:30 -0800 (GMT-08:00), Kirk Lachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, so I've watched some of the IPOD interface threads come and go with mild > to moderate interest. > > Then my wife goes and gets one so now I need to fully understand how to hook > this thing into her '02 M3 (w/HK, no nav). > > I'd like to do it for less than the darn IPOD cost and have stumbled across > the Crutchfield interface. This interface appears to be a street priced > version of the BMW interface as it has 5 programs, etc. similar to the BMW > part$ one. I believe they sell it for around $120 so it is priced well below > the others, but seems to have less functionality than, say, the new Icelink. > > Anyone with thoughts or experience in this system? > > Oh, and on the English "learn-Ed" thread, does this mean UNLV really stands > for the University of No Learned Value? :-) > > Thanks, > > Kirk Lachman > Sin City Chapter > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:26:59 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: IPOD (again, sorry) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd rather read about ipods than why knight is pronouced the same as night. Anyone know where I can buy some Bon Ami? Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kirk Lachman Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] IPOD (again, sorry) Ok, so I've watched some of the IPOD interface threads come and go with mild to moderate interest. Then my wife goes and gets one so now I need to fully understand how to hook this thing into her '02 M3 (w/HK, no nav). I'd like to do it for less than the darn IPOD cost and have stumbled across the Crutchfield interface. This interface appears to be a street priced version of the BMW interface as it has 5 programs, etc. similar to the BMW part$ one. I believe they sell it for around $120 so it is priced well below the others, but seems to have less functionality than, say, the new Icelink. Anyone with thoughts or experience in this system? Oh, and on the English "learn-Ed" thread, does this mean UNLV really stands for the University of No Learned Value? :-) Thanks, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:15:33 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IPOD (again, sorry) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Dension ICELink Plus interface is supposed to be pretty good, and it's more integrated than the BMW interface: http://www.densionusa.com/x/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=407&Itemid=109 --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:05:50 -0800 From: Brian Ghidinelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Porsche 911 (was: English) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve Nash wrote: > I have found that to be common pronunciation from Europeans. The French > side of my family always says BM. The English would most likely *not* refer to it as BM since that is polite-speak for "bowel movement". Then again, depending on whether or not you like the beemer marque, and if speaking English is your forte, you may mean "BM"... Brian -- brian ghidinelli > principal > http://www.MotorsportReg.com online registration and payment for your track or auto-x events ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:35:16 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Porsche 911 (was: English) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Feb 18, 2005, at 1:05 PM, Brian Ghidinelli wrote: >> I have found that to be common pronunciation from Europeans. The >> French side of my family always says BM. > > The English would most likely *not* refer to it as BM since that is > polite-speak for "bowel movement". Except that they do. Watch Top Gear or Fifth Gear some time. And bring some TP. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:49:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Carfax request Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can someone run me a report on WBSAK0300KAE33014 ? White 89 M3. Thanks, Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:19:08 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: English Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Forte, pronounced four-tay means loud in Italian and is printed on music. My fort is in the back yard. Gary Derian > Excellent. That's one of my wife's pet peeves too. It's funny, too, > that when pronounced correctly it invariably results in stares that > seem to say: "yew dumb shee-it." > Scott Staewen > > > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:25:52 -0500, marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Just to add another oft-misused word that gets my panties in a wad, so >> to speak. So many people say 'something is his for-tay' meaning strong >> point. Forte is pronounced 'fort' meaning strong point while 'for-tay' >> means loud. >> >> I live in the US not-so-deep south where we have some interesting >> pronunciations. Like two syllables for single syllable words like >> see-it (sit), shee-it for example. One I can't figure out how it could >> have originated is pronouncing ask as 'axe'. >> >> I'm as guilty as many of mangling the English language but this is a fun >> thread. >> >> marty >> Search the >> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:33:27 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The inside tire has more camber gain than the outside tire because the effect of kingpin inclination is additive on the inside. Gary Derian > Conversely, (or is that inversely, or iirc from argumentation and debate > class, contrapositively?) > added caster becomes an additional _decrease in negative camber on the > inside front wheel when turning, helping it, too, to keep its tread more > squarely on the pavement. That goes along with the greater increase in > the rate of toe out on the inside front wheel as steering input increases. > Barry > >> loves analyzing suspension geometry in his head for fun<< > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:53:06 -0500 From: "Steve & Barb Conner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: E39 Fresh Air Grill Install Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I need to replace a broken HVAC grill in a 1999 E39 and already have a new part. This is the grill with temp control in the center of the dash over the radio faceplate. The part comes with a single piece of paper with the following instruction in seven languages: "CAUTION! When removing the defective fresh air grille, the relevant repair instructions (6422...) must be referred to. Use the special tool. Damage to the fresh air grille caused by improper removal will not be covered by the warranty." Does anyone have any idea what this means and if their is some special trick. Thanks. Steve Conner Kokomo, IN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:22:42 -0500 From: "Michael Stoneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Quiet tire choices for E36 M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm preparing to replace tires on my 95 M3. I'm not looking for the highest performance tires or winter tires, but I am looking for tires that won't make me go any more deaf than my wife says that I already am. The Yoko ES100s that I have now are getting noisier as they near the wear bars. They actually roar starting at 30mph. I know that performance tires are prone to do this. But I'm ready to settle for something without optimal performance, in order to have tires that I can count on to be relatively quiet over their life. I'm using the M3 as a daily driver, putting around 20k miles on the odo annually, usually day trips of 200 to 300 miles a day many times a month. No track time or autocrossing. I also don't want to spend a fortune on Michelins. Yeah, call me cheap, but the Pilot sports I had were noisy as well. I'm seeking recommendations from anyone who has found particular tires that fit these requirements. I'm about a month or so away from making a decision. Thanks. Mike Stoneman 95 M3 02 X5 4.4i Sport package (for sale: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeegqzy/ ) 03 540iT MSport Michael Stoneman ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
