The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 543 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: KYB - struts Re: KYB - struts Re: KYB - struts Re: <E30> Dash removal Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing <E36> Sport suspension struts S50 valve cover Re: S50 valve cover Re: S50 valve cover Re: S50 valve cover The facts about the bubble car Re: The facts about the bubble car Re: The facts about the bubble car Re: The facts about the bubble car
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:39:46 -0500 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: dinty44 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: KYB - struts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wouldn't put KYBs on a car of someone I hated. I've never seen anyone with enough sense to know better who liked their KYBs. They're not only too stiff, they're just cheaply damped so no amount of spring can compensate for the poor design of the shocks. I have respect for Bill's years of messin' with BMWs, and I've only been doing it for 34 years so what do I know. I'd use Boge Turbo shocks or the new twin-tube touring Bilsteins before I'd spend one dime on KYB. Of course on a car like yours the normal DeCarbon monotube Bilstein high-pressure gas shocks are the best solution but you can save a few bucks with their low-pressure twin-tube version they brought out just to compete with other OE-style shocks like Boge. The best Bilstein mono-tubes will cost you around $450 for a full set. The OEM Boges will still run nearly $330 (Bavarian) for your car. The Bistein TCs will cost you about $250 for the full set (from ProAm). I have them on my kids' 318ti and they're okay. A slight bit stiffer than the stock Boge but nowhere near as refined as the "real" monotube Bilsteins. You really do get what you pay for. How much were the KYBs? -Phil David M. wrote: >I think for my car, given its age etc, I'll try >to cheaper KYBs. Worse >case, they stink so bad that I bite the bullet in >a year+ and replace em >again. That's assuming that I still own the car. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: KYB - struts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Phil, Jenny and Bill have ~20 times the combined experience "messin with BMWs" than I, but that isn't going to stop me from chiming in.... > I wouldn't put KYBs on a car of someone I hated. I've never seen > anyone with enough sense to know better who liked their KYBs. They're > not only too stiff, they're just cheaply damped so no amount of > spring can compensate for the poor design of the shocks. I have > respect for Bill's years of messin' with BMWs, and I've only been > doing it for 34 years so what do I know. I'd use Boge Turbo shocks or > the new twin-tube touring Bilsteins before I'd spend one dime on KYB. > Of course on a car like yours the normal DeCarbon monotube Bilstein > high-pressure gas shocks are the best solution but you can save a few > bucks with their low-pressure twin-tube version they brought out just > to compete with other OE-style shocks like Boge. Agreed. I have used a number of Bilstein (Sport and HD) and Boge Turbo Gas on cars. The Boges work fine but simply don't last. I have fairly new Boges on my 318is. The left rear is already worn considerably (recently removed to replace the RSM) in ~15k-20k miles. The gas charge was weak enough that it wouldn't even extend itself positioned vertically (although it still provides some damping). I will replace them with either Bilstein HD or Bilstein TCD (haven't tried these yet), likely the HD. The Bilsteins have been great in all instances (except for the old issue of having to trim the bumpstop on the Bilstein Sport on E36 M3s which they have now remedied but I digress). I tried KYBs on a car once (not a BMW) and a truck and they were a waste of money in both instances. I helped my brother put a lift kit on his Tacoma TRD (3"). We had to remove the Bilsteins to put on KYBs as that is what came with the "kit". I looked at him and told him what I thought but he didn't care. Now his truck doesn't ride nearly as nicely and it isn't due to the increase in ride height. > The best Bilstein mono-tubes will cost you around $450 for a full > set. The OEM Boges will still run nearly $330 (Bavarian) for your > car. The Bistein TCs will cost you about $250 for the full set (from > ProAm). I have them on my kids' 318ti and they're okay. A slight bit > stiffer than the stock Boge but nowhere near as refined as the "real" > monotube Bilsteins. You really do get what you pay for. Isn't that the truth. I recently put new Meyle tie rods on my 318is (8k miles ago). The left one is completely shot, done, kaput. The only decent part left on it was the inner ball joint and the dust boot, the outer ball joint was destroyed. Never again will I use Meyle tie rods. Later, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:05:14 -0600 From: Jenny Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Uucdigest Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: KYB - struts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> EXCELLENT IDEA HERE!!! The boots rot in months. That being said, Meyle has been trying to improve their products, though... so stay tuned for improvements... They have been working with shops all over the country to get better at their stuff. Jenny On Feb 16, 2005, at 9:01 AM, Richard Dorffer wrote: > Never again will I use Meyle tie rods. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:47:38 +0000 From: nick brearley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Dash removal Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 17:52 13/02/05 -0800, you wrote: >But don't take my word for it. There is an NHTSA web site which Pat >Dohahue (what ever happened to Pat?) turned me onto which details this >info. The web site is intended for emergency workers who have to >remove victims from crashed cars. For some reason they don't want air >bags going off while they're doing that. Go figure. Scott, There's an article giving a rescue worker's take on the situation at http://www.columbiasc.net/fire/CFD%20Newsletter%20-%20Summer%202004.htm#Air_Bags Progress isn't always a good thing for all concerned... Drive safely. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:50:34 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.treehouseracing.com/cabbody.htm > (no business connection, etc) > These 'eyeballs' reposition the hole both upward and outward. > Possibly as far out as an offset bushing's hole if horizontal, and > high up as the offset hole if vertical. I don't see where it says that. The eyeballs are basically the same location as an offset M3 bushing, there's no upward movement. And since they're fixed you can't rotate the hole around. >btw: has there been a determination if these eyeball arms are legal >in SCCA street prepared based on the "proportion of metal to non->metal" rule? fwiw, Not that I care but my guess is no they're probably not legal in street prepared. I'm guessing they're not legal like going out and fabricating your own control arms with whatever geometry you want is not legal. The bushing material is probably free so you can pop a delrin bushing into the stock bracket but you're not allowed to machine or cast your own bracket. Carlos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:51:20 -0800 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carlos, If you get a chance to inspect 'Eyeballs' mounted on a car, you'll see how they have repositioned the hole. There was a car on a lift at a recent tech session that had a regular bushing on one side and an Eyeball on the other, so I was able to compare side by side. My car wouldn't benefit from them so I wasn't going to waste Treehouse's time asking for info. Barry Carlos Lopez wrote: >--- JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>http://www.treehouseracing.com/cabbody.htm >>(no business connection, etc) >> These 'eyeballs' reposition the hole both upward and outward. >>Possibly as far out as an offset bushing's hole if horizontal, and >>high up as the offset hole if vertical. >> >> > >I don't see where it says that. The eyeballs are basically the same >location as an offset M3 bushing, there's no upward movement. And >since they're fixed you can't rotate the hole around. > > > >>btw: has there been a determination if these eyeball arms are legal >>in SCCA street prepared based on the "proportion of metal to >> >> >non->metal" rule? fwiw, > >Not that I care but my guess is no they're probably not legal in street >prepared. I'm guessing they're not legal like going out and >fabricating your own control arms with whatever geometry you want is >not legal. The bushing material is probably free so you can pop a >delrin bushing into the stock bracket but you're not allowed to machine >or cast your own bracket. > >Carlos. > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > -- The box said "Requires Windows 95, or better." So I bought a Macintosh. I live with fear, death, and evil...but I used to be able to turn it off and use a Mac. " Author Unknown Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product. -- Ferenc Mantfeld ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:19:54 -0600 From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: <E36> Sport suspension struts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All this talk of KYB/Bilstein/Boge/etc. has me thinking about refreshing the suspension on my '98 328i (94k miles). My car has the factory sport suspension and I'm a bit confused about what the replacement struts should be. This is my daily driver over the not-so-great roads of Houston (especially downtown) and I'm not looking to stiffen the suspension up much. If Bilstein is the strut of choice, what of their several models (Touring, HD, Sport) would be appropriate? I understand HDs for factory springs, but does that include the shorter sport ones? Or does BMW's sport suspension equate to Bilstein's sport struts? Thanks, Malcolm '88 M5 '98 328i ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:33:18 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: S50 valve cover Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> anyone know what it is made of? Marco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:29:53 -0600 From: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: S50 valve cover Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think that it is some type of hard plastic, or at least that's what it seemed to be when I had it removed. You can easily "shave" parts of it off with a razor blade so I don't think it's Aluminum or Magnesium. It also doesn't ever feel cold to the touch like metal does. Just my $.02 Regards -- Jamie Howton 2002 330i 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:11:32 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: S50 valve cover Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BASF was responsible for the material of the intake manifold, and I think the cover as well. Whereas the manifold is a composite with a suspension of some harder particulate (combining heat control, sound control, and ease of manufacturing properties far superior to the older aluminum castings), I think the cover is just an injection-molded plastic. What properties are you looking for? - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [UUC] S50 valve cover > > anyone know what it is made of? > > Marco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:13:05 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: S50 valve cover Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wait - you meant the actual metal part. Never mind my previous response. Should be a form of aluminum. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [UUC] S50 valve cover > BASF was responsible for the material of the intake manifold, and I think > the cover as well. > > Whereas the manifold is a composite with a suspension of some harder > particulate (combining heat control, sound control, and ease of > manufacturing properties far superior to the older aluminum castings), I > think the cover is just an injection-molded plastic. > > What properties are you looking for? > > - Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [UUC] S50 valve cover > > > > anyone know what it is made of? > > > > Marco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:38:59 -0800 From: Mark Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: The facts about the bubble car Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So what's the deal with Gary Bossert's �ber clean 'bubble car' M3? Rumor has it, it was sold for somewhere in the neighborhood of $45,000 and then prepped for racing, then the motor was supposedly trashed by the guy who bought it and replaced with a Turner stroker that also failed. Does anyone know the straight up facts on this car? Sincerely, Mark Gold Sacramento Chapter BMWCCA 916-852-6533 (home) 916-743-7153 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:08:14 -0500 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mark Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: The facts about the bubble car Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you can go to the S14.net forums to read about it, not sure which specific thread, but it can't be hard to find. what I've gleaned from the E30 M3 SIG discussion (before the topic was correctly shut down by Fillipo) is : 1 - car was sold (price not disclosed) 2 - new owner took it to the track, then decided that "it needed more power" 3 - new owner bought the $15k 2.5l S14 that has been on Turner's web site for sale for a long time. 4 - new owner's shop can't (couldn't ?) get the motor to run (or even start ?) and spent time arguing with Turner's shop about it. resolutin unknown. 5 - all sorts of S14-nistas have their panties in a wad about how it's a horrible thing which is being done to a perfect car, it's awful to drive nice M3's on track, Gary should be shot for selling the thing in the first place, modifying such a perfect car is grounds for execution, blah, blah, blah with all sorts of useless bullsh!t like that. a lot of this is apparently very nasty off-list harrasment of Gary and at least one other owner of a low mileage car which is being modified for auto-x use and really makes one why the f*ck some people think that they have the right to berate others for how they choose to spend their money and time, but that's what happens when you give people a computer & impunity from personal contact or thought. let's try to keep that sort of crap off the list here, go watch the children fling their feces at each other on the forums if you want that sort of thing. Ben owns no M3's, doesn't care what other people do with their cars & their money... Mark wrote: > So what's the deal with Gary Bossert's �ber clean 'bubble car' M3? > Rumor has it, it was sold for somewhere in the neighborhood of $45,000 > and then prepped for racing, then the motor was supposedly trashed by > the guy who bought it and replaced with a Turner stroker that also > failed. Does anyone know the straight up facts on this car? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:15:01 -0500 From: Steve Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The facts about the bubble car Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I like Ben's version better. :-) -Steve 1989 M3 - If I ever sell it, they can do as they please... Ben Keyes wrote: > you can go to the S14.net forums to read about it, not sure > which specific thread, but it can't be hard to find. what I've > gleaned from the E30 M3 SIG discussion (before the > topic was correctly shut down by Fillipo) is : > > 1 - car was sold (price not disclosed) > 2 - new owner took it to the track, then decided that > "it needed more power" > 3 - new owner bought the $15k 2.5l S14 that has been > on Turner's web site for sale for a long time. > 4 - new owner's shop can't (couldn't ?) get the motor to > run (or even start ?) and spent time arguing with Turner's > shop about it. resolutin unknown. > 5 - all sorts of S14-nistas have their panties in a wad > about how it's a horrible thing which is being done to > a perfect car, it's awful to drive nice M3's on track, Gary > should be shot for selling the thing in the first place, > modifying such a perfect car is grounds for execution, > blah, blah, blah with all sorts of useless bullsh!t like that. > > a lot of this is apparently very nasty off-list harrasment of > Gary and at least one other owner of a low mileage car > which is being modified for auto-x use and really makes > one why the f*ck some people think that they have the right > to berate others for how they choose to spend their money > and time, but that's what happens when you give people > a computer & impunity from personal contact or thought. > > let's try to keep that sort of crap off the list here, go watch > the children fling their feces at each other on the forums > if you want that sort of thing. > > > Ben > owns no M3's, doesn't care what other people do with > their cars & their money... > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:12:01 -0500 From: Steve Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The facts about the bubble car Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I do believe that is mostly true. I don't know what the sale price was and it's not really my business. More power to him, at least he is using the car for it's intended purpose. -Steve 1989 M3 Mark Gold wrote: > So what's the deal with Gary Bossert's �ber clean 'bubble car' M3? > Rumor has it, it was sold for somewhere in the neighborhood of $45,000 > and then prepped for racing, then the motor was supposedly trashed by > the guy who bought it and replaced with a Turner stroker that also > failed. Does anyone know the straight up facts on this car? > > Sincerely, > > Mark Gold > Sacramento Chapter BMWCCA > 916-852-6533 (home) > 916-743-7153 (cell) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
