The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 539 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Points epiphany (WOB ??) Re: Points epiphany (WOB ??) Re: Points epiphany (WOB ??) Re: Points epiphany (WOB ??) <E34> Door Locks. Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Re: [bmwuucdigest] <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? Re: <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? Re: <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? Re: <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? E39 5-series Stuck seat belt retractor Re: <OT>Shipping heavy items
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:33:38 -0600 From: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "2002digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E21 Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E9coupes BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Senior Six Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sixer coupe Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Uucdigest" <[email protected]> Subject: Points epiphany (WOB ??) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone remember Mr. Kettering ?? He was the guy who refined the points-and-condenser ignition system we all loved for many years before today's electronic ignition systems . Well I have a non-BMW application of 'The Kettering ignition System ' that I need assistance with ......I already have enough 'opinions' so I'd prefer FACTS folks .... As a retired old fart I have taken up the art of farming as a hobby . Part of that sport's requirements is to keep a 57 yr old Ford 8N tractor in good health such that it doesn�t leave me stranded on some far-distant hillside looking at the wrong side of 'down' . So like a good soldier this little crusader had been converted by a P O from a 6volt generator to a 12 volt (GM !!) alternator and battery in the sparks department . BUT -aye here's the rub- I suspect that in doing that changeover no thought was given to its Kettering system needs .....as a result of which it EATS points ..they are totally eroded in less'n 100 hrs . So my question for the serious electrical cognoscenti out there is this ....what do I need to do to STOP that ?? My simple prezumpsh is that as the voltage in the system has doubled- and being 'lectrical stuff there is surely some kind of 'squared' relationship associated with that (?)- then don't I need to quadruple (2 times 2=2 squared ) the size/strength of the capacitor in the ignition system to compensate ?? The 'lectrical engineering bits of my Mechanical Engineering degree have almost faded into oblivion in 45 yrs but I seem to vaguely merember some coil-saturation theory-stuff that had squared-off relationships in them . So ..what do I do guys ?? Square it ? Cube it ? Ferget it ? Those of you who have the quick response of 'convert to electronic ignition' ...DO be so kind as to tell me where I can get a system that will fit into a 57 yr old Ford Distributor and survive being slammed by 8' tall weeds with stems as big as your thumbs then doused with frog-filled creek water on a daily basis . My favoured change is to 'square the condenser' if that is what it needs, but maybe there IS a truer way with electronics in today's world ?? If your suggested change works , I will write 'thank you' , however if it strands me on yonder hillside on a hot august night under full-harvest conditions then I will CALL you no matter what the hour ....OK ?? . All you University perfessers ..here's one for your students ..(Hi Murli !!) ... Bill (Curmudgeon ) Proud ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:02:29 +0000 From: nick brearley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Points epiphany (WOB ??) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 05:33 14/02/05 -0600, you wrote: >Anyone remember Mr. Kettering ?? He was the guy who refined the >points-and-condenser ignition system we all loved for many years before >today's electronic ignition systems . >Well I have a non-BMW application of 'The Kettering ignition System ' >that I need assistance with ......I already have enough 'opinions' so >I'd prefer FACTS folks .... Bill, Get thee along to http://www.atis.net/ and start digging. The mailing lists based there are about as good as you'll get for the ins and outs, and mainly downs of old tractor fettling. Or... http://www.ytmag.com/nboard/messages/103225.html might be just what you're looking for. Good luck. Nick Brearley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:02:37 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "2002digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E21 Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E9coupes BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Senior Six Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sixer coupe Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Uucdigest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Points epiphany (WOB ??) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You need a 12 volt coil, and a ballast resistor. Then tune the condenser. If the - side of the points loses material, the condenser is too small. The coil will typically operate at about 9 volts. When cranking the ballast resistor is bypassed to maintain 9 volts at the coil. There are lots of electronic conversion kits around, I'd get one of those. Gary Derian ----- Original Message ----- From: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "2002digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "E21 Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "E9coupes BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Senior Six Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sixer coupe Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Uucdigest" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:33 AM Subject: [UUC] Points epiphany (WOB ??) > Anyone remember Mr. Kettering ?? He was the guy who refined the > points-and-condenser ignition system we all loved for many years before > today's electronic ignition systems . > Well I have a non-BMW application of 'The Kettering ignition System ' > that I need assistance with ......I already have enough 'opinions' so > I'd prefer FACTS folks .... > As a retired old fart I have taken up the art of farming as a hobby . > Part of that sport's requirements is to keep a 57 yr old Ford 8N tractor > in good health such that it doesn't leave me stranded on some > far-distant hillside looking at the wrong side of 'down' . So like a > good soldier this little crusader had been converted by a P O from a > 6volt generator to a 12 volt (GM !!) alternator and battery in the > sparks department . BUT -aye here's the rub- I suspect that in doing > that changeover no thought was given to its Kettering system needs > .....as a result of which it EATS points ..they are totally eroded in > less'n 100 hrs . > So my question for the serious electrical cognoscenti out there is this > ....what do I need to do to STOP that ?? My simple prezumpsh is that as > the voltage in the system has doubled- and being 'lectrical stuff there > is surely some kind of 'squared' relationship associated with that (?)- > then don't I need to quadruple (2 times 2=2 squared ) the size/strength > of the capacitor in the ignition system to compensate ?? The 'lectrical > engineering bits of my Mechanical Engineering degree have almost faded > into oblivion in 45 yrs but I seem to vaguely merember some > coil-saturation theory-stuff that had squared-off relationships in them > . So ..what do I do guys ?? Square it ? Cube it ? Ferget it ? > Those of you who have the quick response of 'convert to electronic > ignition' ...DO be so kind as to tell me where I can get a system that > will fit into a 57 yr old Ford Distributor and survive being slammed by > 8' tall weeds with stems as big as your thumbs then doused with > frog-filled creek water on a daily basis . > My favoured change is to 'square the condenser' if that is what it > needs, but maybe there IS a truer way with electronics in today's world > ?? If your suggested change works , I will write 'thank you' , however > if it strands me on yonder hillside on a hot august night under > full-harvest conditions then I will CALL you no matter what the hour > ....OK ?? . > All you University perfessers ..here's one for your students ..(Hi Murli > !!) ... > > Bill (Curmudgeon ) Proud > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:37:17 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMWBits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Uucdigest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Points epiphany (WOB ??) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, BMWBits wrote: > Those of you who have the quick response of 'convert to electronic > ignition' ...DO be so kind as to tell me where I can get a system that > will fit into a 57 yr old Ford Distributor and survive being slammed by > 8' tall weeds with stems as big as your thumbs then doused with > frog-filled creek water on a daily basis . There are plenty of electronic ignition kits for the 8n (for both 6V positive ground as well as 12V negative ground)... Here's a list of electrical stuff on Yesterday's Tractors: http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/store/model_parts.cgi?SearchArea=FORD&&md=8N&cat=Electrical%20System&r=mcats Note that they include 12V conversion kits so you can see what the previous owner maybe should have done. There are also forums at www.ytmag.com where you could ask electrical questions like this. Genesee Products also sells a kit: http://www.geneseeproducts.com/ Not sure what this has to do with bmw's of course. :-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:31:17 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <E34> Door Locks. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruppe: I'm working on a 540i 6-sp that has an inop pass side door lock. If you lock the car using either key or fob the front pass side lock doesn't budge. This is the E34 I've seen that has done this so I was wondering if there was a well-known reason for it and what the solution might be. Thanks! Neil Deshpande ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:40:49 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Nancy and Bob Fluharty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> With standard bushings, the E30 has 8+ degrees of caster. With offset bushings, what can it be, 9? There isn't much difference. Plus the front tire gets pushed into the fender a little bit. Gary Derian > Chris said: > >> in my experience I have found that >> -the bushings make the car much more stable at higher speeds (90mph+) >> -the bushings make the car noticeably more difficult to turn in > > I've been sitting on a set of these for a year, trying to decide if I want > to install them. I know many people like them, Mike Miller LOVES them, but > there are dissenters like Rich D who think the added caster is a bad > thing. > > I'm planning to step up my autocross participation this summer, so I'm not > looking for slower turn-in. For that matter, I've never felt any > deficiency > in high-speed stability. > > Do others agree with Chris? If that's the consensus, then I don't want > them. > Other views? > > Bob Fluharty > 87 325is/3.0 > Cincinnati > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:07:35 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nancy and Bob Fluharty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, BMW Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >With standard bushings, the E30 has 8+ degrees of caster. With >offset bushings, what can it be, 9? There isn't much difference. >Plus the front tire gets pushed into the fender a little bit. Yeah I'd say that's accurate. My E30 M3 with lowering springs and a (stock) offset control arm bushing and the camber correcting strut bearings had 9 degrees of caster. I actually lost some caster with the GC camber plates but gained camber which was my goal anyway. If you want Miata like turn in response I recommend the delrin bushings from Bimmeworld (since those are the only ones I've tried). You'll be pleased with the way the car reacts at autoxes and track events but you do pay in harshness on the street. If your car only sees the street to and from events or the occassional nice drive on the weekend on nice roads then I'd say go for it. If it's a daily driver and you have to deal with pot holes then go with the M3 offset ones. Carlos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:49:11 -0600 From: Christian Els <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob Fluharty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, BMW Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carlos Lopez wrote: > If you want Miata like turn in response I recommend the delrin bushings > from Bimmeworld (since those are the only ones I've tried). Were these centered or offset? I went with centered delrin bushings on my DSP/Spec E30 car after having run offset rubber (oe M3) bushings previously and I really enjoyed how steering response 'tightened up' with the delrin but didn't notice any extra harshness due to that change, nor did I notice any change in turn-in characteristics as a result of switching from offset back to centered. $0.02 Christian Els Columbia, MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:11:50 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Christian Els <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Bob Fluharty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, BMW Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Handling with offset control arm bushing Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Christian Els <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Were these centered or offset? My M3 had offset bushings stock. So I went from offset rubber ones to offset delrin ones. >I went with centered delrin bushings on my DSP/Spec E30 car after >having run offset rubber (oe M3) bushings previously and I really >enjoyed how steering response 'tightened up' with the delrin but >didn't notice any extra harshness due to that change, nor did I >notice any change in turn-in characteristics as a result of switching >from offset back to centered. $0.02 Mine was quite noticeable but then again I had to get an alignment (was due for one) and perhaps changing the front toe to zero may have affected that as well. You must not have any bad roads (bad as in Detroit the worst of the country IIRC) to notice the harshness the delrin adds. On nice silky smooth roads I would agree no noticeable increase in harshness. Hit a decent bump and Oh the Humanity! :-) Carlos. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:52:54 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> whacky handling, snap oversteer in really bad cases. Under hard acceleration in a straight line the car will pull to one side or the other as the RTA wanders about in its toe setting due to the bad bushings. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Swingle Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 11:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] [bmwuucdigest] <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? Now that it's all done - how does one know that this is needed? What are the syptoms? Thanks Dave S 99 M3 ---------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:49:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? Well, sheeesh... that wasn't so difficult afterall. Accept the premise of tearing the bushings out (drill, drywall knife, hacksaw) instead of a nice extraction with a puller, & it's not so bad. About two-and-a-half hours for both sides. Now I badly need an alignment, but that was behind the reason for doing this in the first place. You guys (and ladies) *rock*, thanks to everybody who chimed in with a suggestion or words of encouragement. Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:00:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've done some driving on this, and yes, it seems to hold together (and the change in compliance is quite noticable [I like it]). It's interesting, though, how different this setup is from stock. The PF bush is a light fit into the arm (snaps in with your fingers), and it sure seems (to my eye, at least) that some side-to-side movement is possible? But maybe not. If this really does work and hold up over time, it's a brilliant design (at very low cost). - k On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I think that you will find the Powerflex bushings to be far less compliant > than the factory rubber 'doughnut'. There is some inherant "slop" in the > PF bushing assembly, but I don't think you will even notice it installed. > The cassette should all but clamp-up on the flanges of the PF bushing, as > the center bushing is only slightly longer than the bushing stackup. There > is significat lateral load on these bushings but the cassette keeps every > thing buttoned up. > > Kim Burgess > > > From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? > > Apologies for beating this to death, but I've been thinking about this today, > and I'm a bit confused (maybe concerned). The replacement Powerflex product > is split into halves. All urethane, with sort of a thick flange around the > outer edge. These slide into the arm without much pressure at all (at least > without the insert pressed in, but that goes in rather easily too). The > console is a very tight fit over the insert, but the rest of it just slides > right into place by hand. > > What exactly is going to hold all this together once I start driving around? > Are there no lateral forces on this part of the suspension at all? Seems > like > the bushing halves could pretty easily slide out... at least a little bit. > The only thing holding this together (side-to-side) is the console. I > expected a one-piece bushing with a very tight press fit, not this (the box > says "BMW E36 rear trailing arm front bush", so it would seem I have the > right product?). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:16:04 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kevin Jay \(Mr.Fabulous\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How significant? I'd figure about 10% of the tire lateral force. That would be only 100 lb or so. Gary Derian >> There >> is significat lateral load on these bushings but the cassette keeps every >> thing buttoned up. >> >> Kim Burgess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:05:48 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> RTAB removal w/ flange? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One question about this procedure in particular and similar ones in general. If there is sufficient room and you have the new bushing with a metal outer segment, can't you use the puller and the new bushing as an arbor (since its size can line up precisely with the existing hole) to push out the old bushing(s)? -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:15:25 -0500 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'BMW List'" <[email protected]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E39 5-series Stuck seat belt retractor Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, all. I wrote the following a couple of weeks ago, but dunno if it got posted, so trying again (after living in denial for the last two weeks). A rear seat belt retractor on the wife's 2000 E-39 wagon is stuck. I pulled the belt all the way out to install a child seat, but now it won't retract at all. Doh. Worse, the same thing happened 18 months ago - on the belt on the other side! Since the car was under warranty then, back to the dealer it went. Dealer replaced the entire assembly. Now the OTHER SIDE is stuck. Either these parts are defective, or my technique is entirely wrong. 1. What's the fix, aside from disassemblying the darn thing? 2. How do I prevent it from happening again? 3. Any ideas/suggestion on how to fix it, or do I need to buy a whole new assembly? TIA, --Dennis West of Boston, Taxachusetts '00 528iT '95 740iL '99 911C2 '95 355B . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:58:50 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <OT>Shipping heavy items Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marc, >Figured people might have experience moving large objects around the country >(i.e. engines). to borrow a theme from Car Talk...... you mean like Mother -in-laws????? ; ^ ))) -Kevin ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
