The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 825 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E30 no start Re: Clicking from right rear... <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Re: E34 Touring, acceleration shudder uhhh huhhh <FS> <E36M3> Koni SA fronts installed in strut housings - used
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:37:55 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ryan Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Brian Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E30 no start Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12.8 dropping to 12.3 is good for the battery only. 13 to 14 is for the charging system with the engine running. Gary Derian > Thanks again guys! I can always count on you guys to help me through my > inability to rationalize a simple problem. > > I had the battery tested. It tested good and held a charge at 12.8 volts. > Under a load test it only dropped to 12.3 volts. Although this is still > relatively low compare to the 13 to 14 volts that Gary specified, it may > mean that the battery is nearing the end. At any rate, I popped it back > in and the car started fine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:00:19 -0500 From: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: E36M3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Clicking from right rear... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had 20 minutes to spare last night and jacked the rear end up and pulled the wheels off. I cannot reproduce the clicking noise with the wheels off the ground although it does seem like there is some binding in at least one spot during the revolution of the wheel. I didn't have enough time to delve in too deeply but I will take another look later this week. I am thinking either: Brakes dragging Parking brakes dragging CV joint(s) (although the rubber boots are not torn) Something else... Thanks for all the ideas guys, I will post about what I find. -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steve.Goldstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1999 323is (yes, it's an E36, the coupe didn't change until MY00). Bentley says to remove the speakers in order to change the rear shocks. Really??? Or is this just something to pad the book time to bring more $$$ into the mechanic's pockets? I'm trying to figure out how much time and how many beers to budget for the swap. BTW, do I need any non-E30-size tools to do this on an E36? For example, E30 doesn't use 16mm or 18mm anywhere, so I don't have wrenches or sockets in these sizes. Will I need to buy any tools for this? Thx. steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:17:07 -0500 From: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Steve.Goldstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Bentley says to remove the speakers in order to change the rear > shocks. Really??? Yes, you most likely will need to, although give it a go if you feel adventurous. There is very little clearance between the speakers and the shock mount, so you may not even be able to pull back the carpet without removing the speaker first. It's no big deal though, two screws on each from insde the car and the speaker just pops right out. Just be thankful you don't have an E39, you have to remove the entire back seat and parcel shelf to replace the rear shocks. -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:11:24 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nothing is worse than an E34 Touring. The entire interior must come apart. Gary Derian >> Bentley says to remove the speakers in order to change the rear >> shocks. Really??? > > Yes, you most likely will need to, although give it a go if you feel > adventurous. There is very little clearance between the speakers and > the shock mount, so you may not even be able to pull back the carpet > without removing the speaker first. It's no big deal though, two > screws on each from insde the car and the speaker just pops right out. > > Just be thankful you don't have an E39, you have to remove the entire > back seat and parcel shelf to replace the rear shocks. > > -- > Jamie Howton > 2000 M5 > 1995 M3 > Hampshire, IL > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:54:17 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:11 AM 10/4/2005, Gary Derian wrote: >Nothing is worse than an E34 Touring. The entire interior must come apart. ... A E46 Touring. Everything from the rear seat bolsters to the D pillar has to come out. Then you have to either rip out the sound insulation fabric or cut into it to get underneath to the mounts. For my 3rd set, I now have upside-down mount aftermarket stuff. >Gary Derian > > > >>>Bentley says to remove the speakers in order to change the rear >>>shocks. Really??? >> >>Yes, you most likely will need to, although give it a go if you feel >>adventurous. There is very little clearance between the speakers and >>the shock mount, so you may not even be able to pull back the carpet >>without removing the speaker first. It's no big deal though, two >>screws on each from insde the car and the speaker just pops right out. >> >>Just be thankful you don't have an E39, you have to remove the entire >>back seat and parcel shelf to replace the rear shocks. >> >>-- >>Jamie Howton >>2000 M5 >>1995 M3 >>Hampshire, IL >> >>Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ >>In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >>UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >>Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, October 4, 2005 7:36 am, Steve.Goldstein said: > BTW, do I need any non-E30-size tools to do this on an E36? For > example, E30 doesn't use 16mm or 18mm anywhere, You'll need both of those :-) 18mm for remove the bottom bolt that holds the shock to the hub/knuckle, and 16mm for the top of the shock, to remove the rear shock mount. You should already have a 13mm, then, which you'll need to remove the RSM & shock from the car. Plan on replacing the 13mm & 16mm nuts, as well as the paper gasket that sits between the RSM and the body. The 18mm bolt is re-useable. Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - on 4th set of rear shocks (2 in a month :-( ) 1993 325is #44 JP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:41:36 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve, You can't peel the carpet back and get to the fasteners that hold the tops of the rear shocks in unless you remove the speakers. It's not that time consuming. Make sure you have a short screwdriver. Remove grills from rear deck, undo a few screws. Carefully pull the speakers down into the trunk (there is a metal tab hold them up there after the screws come out) and unplug the wires. Peel the carpet back, and voila! You've got access to remove the rear shocks. IIRC, some of the aftermarket rear shock hardware allows you to do everything from below. - N. Jay 1995 M3 1993 325is (gone to TN) 1994 325is (gone to E36 heaven) ***************** > 1999 323is (yes, it's an E36, the coupe didn't change until MY00). > > Bentley says to remove the speakers in order to change the rear > shocks. Really??? Or is this just something to pad the book time > to bring more $$$ into the mechanic's pockets? I'm trying to > figure out how much time and how many beers to budget for the swap. > > BTW, do I need any non-E30-size tools to do this on an E36? For > example, E30 doesn't use 16mm or 18mm anywhere, so I don't have > wrenches or sockets in these sizes. Will I need to buy any tools > for this? > > Thx. > > steve > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:23:00 -0500 From: "Dewig, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just recently did this in my E36 (without the use of the manual) and the only reason that I can see to remove the rear speakers is so you can more easily remove the trunk lining to get to the top of the shock. I would say it's not necessary, and if you don't mind monkeying around with the liner a bit to get it off, it will probably prove to be much more time efficient to leave the speakers in. But then I'm not an E36 genius as proved on several prior posts... Mike D -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve.Goldstein Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? 1999 323is (yes, it's an E36, the coupe didn't change until MY00). Bentley says to remove the speakers in order to change the rear shocks. Really??? Or is this just something to pad the book time to bring more $$$ into the mechanic's pockets? I'm trying to figure out how much time and how many beers to budget for the swap. BTW, do I need any non-E30-size tools to do this on an E36? For example, E30 doesn't use 16mm or 18mm anywhere, so I don't have wrenches or sockets in these sizes. Will I need to buy any tools for this? Thx. steve Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:52:00 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does your rear seat fold?. If so, you can probably sneak in through the liner to get to the shock mount. Not sure about E46, but I think the E36 requires an 18 mm wrench at the bottom of the shock. You can easily check before even picking up the car. Marc Plante 1997 E36 M3/4 67k 2005 Child (on the way) Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:44:43 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Perhaps a coupe vs. sedan difference as well? Accessing the fasteners with the proper tools was a whole lot easier with the speakers out of the way. Maybe I should have said "IME", "IMHO", and "YMMV". - N. Jay ------------------------- > On Tue, October 4, 2005 8:41 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > Steve, > > You can't peel the carpet back and get to the fasteners that hold the > > tops of the rear shocks in unless you remove the speakers. > > That wasn't the case on my M3 (non-HK speakers). I just went through *2* > rear shock changes in the last 4 weeks (don't ask :-)), as well as > accessing them several times in the past, never once having to remove the > rear speakers. > > Now, that my be different with the HK speakers, which I believe are bigger > than the "normal" ones. And I can see how it might be a bit easier to pull > the carpet all the way out of the way, but it certainly isn't required and > you can get the carpet sufficiently out of the war with the speakers still > in place (and, I found they actually helped hold the carpet out of the way > a bit). > > YMMV... > > Jim Bassett > 1998 M3/4 > 1993 325is #44 JP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:43:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, October 4, 2005 8:41 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Steve, > You can't peel the carpet back and get to the fasteners that hold the > tops of the rear shocks in unless you remove the speakers. That wasn't the case on my M3 (non-HK speakers). I just went through *2* rear shock changes in the last 4 weeks (don't ask :-)), as well as accessing them several times in the past, never once having to remove the rear speakers. Now, that my be different with the HK speakers, which I believe are bigger than the "normal" ones. And I can see how it might be a bit easier to pull the carpet all the way out of the way, but it certainly isn't required and you can get the carpet sufficiently out of the war with the speakers still in place (and, I found they actually helped hold the carpet out of the way a bit). YMMV... Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:53:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Do I really need to remove the speakers? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, October 4, 2005 11:44 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Perhaps a coupe vs. sedan difference as well? Hmmm, you're right, it could be. Especially since my coupe (race car) has absolutely NO interior or trunk carpeting :-) > Maybe I should have said "IME", "IMHO", and "YMMV". No worries. I've learned there's almost always an exception out there somewhere :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:07:34 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E34 Touring, acceleration shudder uhhh huhhh Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Andrew, Drive line u-joints gone bad. Especially prominent when in a low gear and accellerating hard. You feel it under the seat or just behind you. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <FS> <E36M3> Koni SA fronts installed in strut housings - used Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All, I've finallized the refreshening of the M3's suspension, using all stock components, so I have the front struts available, if anyone is interested. $100/OBO + shipping (if applicable). Details here: http://www.justracing.com/classified/152 Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
