The BMW UUC Digest 
Volume 2 : Issue 805 : "text" Format

Messages in this Issue:
  Re: E36 M3 Purchase
  Re: E30 Brake Warning Light
  cleaning out the HVAC
  Re: cleaning out the HVAC
  Re: cleaning out the HVAC
  Re: cleaning out the HVAC
  Re: <E36> JTD underbody panel
  <e30> Starter
  Re: <e30> Starter
  'CHECK' light illuminated, help!
  Re: 'CHECK' light illuminated, help!
  Re: 'CHECK' light illuminated, help!
  Re: 'CHECK' light illuminated, help!
  Re: 'CHECK' light illuminated, help!
  FS   97 540i/6spd, silver, $15K

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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:42:44 -0500
From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: E36 M3 Purchase
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

usual E36 stuff

Water pump, thermostat and radiator every 60k esp if he's going to DEs
Trailing arm bushings every 60 couldn't hurt either.
Rear shock mounts can tire in 60-90.  Best to replace with aftermarket that are 
a bit more sturdy
People claim the shocks are shot after 40k, but mine feel fine after 66, though 
the car spent the first 40k of its life driving in slow, straight lines in 
Florida.  Koni front inserts and rear shocks are a nive upgrade when you 
replace stock.

Metal master pads will run a little cleaner for street duty.

Hmmm, i seem to remember other things I did to both my E36s over the years.  
Maybe they were just all mods 8^ D

Marc Plante
1993 E36 325i, (sold @230k)
1997 E36 M3/4 67k
2005 Child (on oder)
Vienna, VA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Ortwein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]>
Subject: [UUC]  E36 M3 Purchase
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:23:52 -0700 (PDT)

> 
> My father who is where I get my 'car nut genes' from
> Wants to buy an E36 M3.  Most likely it will be a
> coupe.  I've already told him to by one that is bone
> stock.
> 
> What M3 specific repairs should have been done already
> or potential issues do these cars have.  Feel free to
> e-mail me on or off-list.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Nick Ortwein
> San Diego, CA
> '01 S4 MTM Stage II
> '88 E30 325is
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
> 
> 
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:55:20 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: E30 Brake Warning Light
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Scott Miller posted:

Pulling the bulb is so much like work.  Put a piece of black electrical
tape over the part of the dash where the light is.

Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA
Listens to Car Talk too much
I'm surprised at you Scott!!!  I thought you were a true gear head & "car 
guy".  Sorry, but that is simply a "lame" response.  You can do better (and 
have 
always done so, as you have been helpful to everyone in then past- maybe you 
were having a bad day? :-))

I don't know who posted the original post, but if you are out there feel free 
to e-mail me and I will try to give you instructions as to how to remove the 
instrument cluster to pull or change the affected bulbs. It takes all of about 
10  minutes, and the fix will be "professional" - no black tape involved!

Happy Motoring,

John Weese
Nittany Bimmers

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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:39:18 -0500
From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: cleaning out the HVAC
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I have a nasty odor coming out of my 1997 M3/4s vents when I turn on the vent 
fan alone (AC seems OK)...Smells a bit like...urine.  No, this car has not 
played host to any wild fraternity road trips, pets or young children.  The 
odor fades if I run the system for several minutes full blast.

Beyond micro filter (done in the last 3-6 months). What are other areas that 
are reasonably user serviceable to get rid of any odors?  vent intake under the 
hood? go after duct work in the dash?

Thanks,

Marc Plante
1997 E36 M3/4 67k
2005 child (on order)
Vienna, VA



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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:48:51 -0400
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: cleaning out the HVAC
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Nasty stuff grows on the warm and moist evaporator.  This is a common 
problem for those who use the A/C all the time in a humid environment and 
don't dry out the evap before shutting down the car.

There are sprays and such but you have to get it onto the evaporator, not 
just in the ducts.

Gary Derian


>I have a nasty odor coming out of my 1997 M3/4s vents when I turn on the 
>vent fan alone (AC seems OK)...Smells a bit like...urine.  No, this car has 
>not played host to any wild fraternity road trips, pets or young children. 
>The odor fades if I run the system for several minutes full blast.
>
> Beyond micro filter (done in the last 3-6 months). What are other areas 
> that are reasonably user serviceable to get rid of any odors?  vent intake 
> under the hood? go after duct work in the dash?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc Plante
> 1997 E36 M3/4 67k
> 2005 child (on order)
> Vienna, VA
>
>
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
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>
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> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:44:39 -0500
From: "Ivan Demkovitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
Subject: Re: cleaning out the HVAC
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That is what you need:

http://bmwtips.com/tipsntricks/AC/smell.htm

Ivan
97' 540i/6




>From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [UUC]  cleaning out the HVAC
>Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:39:18 -0500
>
>I have a nasty odor coming out of my 1997 M3/4s vents when I turn on the 
>vent fan alone (AC seems OK)...Smells a bit like...urine.  No, this car has 
>not played host to any wild fraternity road trips, pets or young children.  
>The odor fades if I run the system for several minutes full blast.
>
>Beyond micro filter (done in the last 3-6 months). What are other areas 
>that are reasonably user serviceable to get rid of any odors?  vent intake 
>under the hood? go after duct work in the dash?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Marc Plante
>1997 E36 M3/4 67k
>2005 child (on order)
>Vienna, VA
>
>
>Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
>__________________________________________________________________________
>In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
>UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
>Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
>908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com



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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:46:05 +0000
From: "Gilbert Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: cleaning out the HVAC
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Marc asked:

>What are other areas that are reasonably user serviceable to get rid of any 
>odors?

Wurth makes a product that you spray in the vents. I used it as the PO of my 
E30 was a smoker. It seemed somewhat effective. Don't have the can handy, 
but I believe it claims to kill mold/mildew etc. in the system.

Gilbert



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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:16:15 -0700
From: "J. Ochi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <E36> JTD underbody panel
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 05:14 PM 9/12/2005, Brian Ruiz wrote:

>In any case, I am looking for input you guys have
>about the panel, and how durable it has been to
>hitting parking blocks, bumps, bruises etc.

My 2 cents on the panel - all of the underbody stuff works together as a 
system, and is only as strong as the weakest link.  If you reinforce one 
part, then the next weakest part in the system will fail.  The JTD panel is 
a fine piece, but if your fender liners aren't in good shape, or your 
bumper cover is torn, it will never be secure.

If you habitually hit parking blocks, high curbs, berms, cones, squirrels, 
etc., then no matter what you do, it will all eventually tear out.  Each 
time you hit something with the lower lip of your air dam, it puts stress 
on all the fasteners (and the plastic surrounding the fastener holes) on 
all of the underbody stuff.  As these fasteners loosen up, it allows the 
underbody stuff to move around, putting more stress on the mounting points, 
until something eventually tears through.  The increased stress will tear 
out the next mounting point, and the one after that, and so on, until the 
parts are dragging.

So, here's what I suggest - it's not perfect, and won't be indestructible, 
but it's as good as anything else.  Buy new fender liners, and reinforce 
the three mounting holes at the bottom of the liner with some sheet metal 
and pop rivets.  Replace all of the little square white plastic pieces that 
the body screws go into with new ones (they're pretty cheap at the 
dealer).  If you really want to get fancy, you can replace the white 
plastic pieces with M6 nutserts, and use M6 bolts to fasten everything 
together.  You can also replace the tinnerman clips that the sheet metal 
screws go into with sheet metal reinforcements and M6 nutserts.  Use fender 
washers under the heads of the bolts (or screws) to spead the load, and 
help support all of the plastic pieces.  Basically, reinforce everything 
until you're back to the metal parts on the car.

Then, use either the JTD panel, or stock panels reinforced as above.  Use 
fender washers under the heads of all the screws/bolts that you use to 
mount the underpanel.

Highly recommended - add some support to the front center of each fender 
liner, by using a chain or a piece of aircraft cable from the fender liner 
to the bumper support.  The support should be tight enough to take some of 
the weight off the front vertical screw that holds the fender liner in 
place.  I don't really recommend using anything solid here - you want the 
bumper/underpanel/fender liner to be able to move up if you run over a 
parking block.

Hope this helps,

Jim Ochi 


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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:47:15 -0500
From: "Paul Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: <e30> Starter
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi all,
I need to replace the starter on my 93 325ic.  I have the part, any
tips, tricks or gotchas?

Regards,
Paul Craven
1993 325 ic - not starting...
1995 525iT - "sold" on Ebay, but still at home and not paid for yet
1998 528iT - Hers.


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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:11:42 -0700
From: Dave Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Paul Craven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <e30> Starter
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 15:47 -0500, Paul Craven wrote:
> Hi all,
> I need to replace the starter on my 93 325ic.  I have the part, any
> tips, tricks or gotchas?

The E30 starter can be a PITA unless you have some real long socket
extensions so you can get to the bolts from the rear. I snap together a
few so that the extension is almost as long as the transmission. Its
also helpful to lower the rear of the transmission so you can get a
little more room around the bell housing to get at the bolts. Of course,
a second set of hands helps a lot for this job, but it can be done
solo. 

I really wish BMW had used studs to mount that starter....

Dave


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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:06:37 -0400
From: "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: 'CHECK' light illuminated, help!
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Vehicle:
'95 S50 US-spec M3 (OBDI)
~75,3XX miles

Problem/background info:
No perceived running problems yet the 'CHECK' light in the center of the
IP info area illuminates at seemingly random intervals.  Sometimes it is
on for a few seconds after start-up and then goes out, sometimes it
never illuminates.  Occasionally it blinks and other times remains lit
for extended periods. 
Note: This is not the 'CHECK ENGINE' light as it is not illuminated and
located on the left side of the same display area.

Stomp test reveals only a code 1444 which indicates no DME diagnostic
problem exists.

My on-board computer display is on the fritz and is trying to tell me
something (two things from what I can tell) yet I can't decipher what it
says due to the faulty display. 

Question(s):
1) What the heck does this 'CHECK' light mean?
2) Could this light be telling me "Look at the on-board computer
stupid!"?

Mostly this is an annoyance but I'd prefer not to simply remove the bulb
unless I absolutely can't fix/find the root cause.

Thanks for the help!
Chet Dawes

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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:02:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected]
Subject: Re: 'CHECK' light illuminated, help!
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

--- "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Question(s):
> 1) What the heck does this 'CHECK' light mean?
> 2) Could this light be telling me "Look at the on-board computer
> stupid!"?

I believe that's it.  Mine will do it when I'm low on washer fluid. 
Lately I'm getting the 'Brake circuit failure.'  Not to hijack your
thread but what's the fix for that?  Leaving tomorrow evening for VIR
so it's not like I can actually fix it before I go.  :-/

Carlos
98 M3


                
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:38:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UUC Digest <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 'CHECK' light illuminated, help!
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The "check" light illuminates whenever some sort of
fault has been detected by the OBC.  I would advise
checking all your external lights (headlights, stop
lights, parking lights, reverse lights, etc), your
coolant reservoir level (when cold), your brake fluid
level, and your washer fluid level (might want to read
your manual too; I think it lists all the possible
faults the OBC can detect, but I can't think of
anything else off hand right now).  Any problem the
OBC displays are all non-extreme problems and you can
now sigh in relief.

NB: if you find nothing else wrong, I'd check into the
coolant reservoir level sensor, as they're known for
going out and causing the OBC to fault.  Especially if
the sensor is original.

Brian
95 M3

--- "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Vehicle:
> '95 S50 US-spec M3 (OBDI)
> ~75,3XX miles
> 
> Problem/background info:
> No perceived running problems yet the 'CHECK' light
> in the center of the
> IP info area illuminates at seemingly random
> intervals.  Sometimes it is
> on for a few seconds after start-up and then goes
> out, sometimes it
> never illuminates.  Occasionally it blinks and other
> times remains lit
> for extended periods. 
> Note: This is not the 'CHECK ENGINE' light as it is
> not illuminated and
> located on the left side of the same display area.
> 
> Stomp test reveals only a code 1444 which indicates
> no DME diagnostic
> problem exists.
> 
> My on-board computer display is on the fritz and is
> trying to tell me
> something (two things from what I can tell) yet I
> can't decipher what it
> says due to the faulty display. 
> 
> Question(s):
> 1) What the heck does this 'CHECK' light mean?
> 2) Could this light be telling me "Look at the
> on-board computer
> stupid!"?
> 
> Mostly this is an annoyance but I'd prefer not to
> simply remove the bulb
> unless I absolutely can't fix/find the root cause.
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> Chet Dawes
> 
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:43:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UUC Digest <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 'CHECK' light illuminated, help!
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Oh yeah, when I said to "check all the lights" I meant
to actually pull the bulbs and check the filaments, as
sometimes a broken filament will recontact with the
pole it broke away from after being jittered enough
and continue to function normally. Do that before
going too deep into the coolant level sensor.

Brian

--- "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Vehicle:
> '95 S50 US-spec M3 (OBDI)
> ~75,3XX miles
> 
> Problem/background info:
> No perceived running problems yet the 'CHECK' light
> in the center of the
> IP info area illuminates at seemingly random
> intervals.  Sometimes it is
> on for a few seconds after start-up and then goes
> out, sometimes it
> never illuminates.  Occasionally it blinks and other
> times remains lit
> for extended periods. 
> Note: This is not the 'CHECK ENGINE' light as it is
> not illuminated and
> located on the left side of the same display area.
> 
> Stomp test reveals only a code 1444 which indicates
> no DME diagnostic
> problem exists.
> 
> My on-board computer display is on the fritz and is
> trying to tell me
> something (two things from what I can tell) yet I
> can't decipher what it
> says due to the faulty display. 
> 
> Question(s):
> 1) What the heck does this 'CHECK' light mean?
> 2) Could this light be telling me "Look at the
> on-board computer
> stupid!"?
> 
> Mostly this is an annoyance but I'd prefer not to
> simply remove the bulb
> unless I absolutely can't fix/find the root cause.
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> Chet Dawes
> 
>
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> founder of the BMW CCA.
> 
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> home of the Ultimate
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> 



        
                
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:09:17 -0400
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 'CHECK' light illuminated, help!
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Carlos,
You may have a brake light out.  Ask someone (me?) to help you check them.
- Jay
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Chet,

That light often means look at the OBC.  If you press the "check" button
and the light goes out, rest assured there's a correlation, (and
probably causation).

On my cars it has meant
1) I drained the washer fluid before storing the car for winter... 
WASHER FLUID LOW
2) The radiator neck is failing and slowly leaking coolant...
COOLANT LOW 
(shortly after which, the neck cracked off -- hindsight is 20/20)
3) The left brake light bulb is out...
BRAKE CIRCUIT FAILURE

Good luck.  Let me know when you want to pay for and pick up your B&B
Tri-Flo.  I'm saving it for you.  :-)  Kidding.

- N. Jay

FS:  B&B Tri-Flo, M3 application

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> --- "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Question(s):
> > 1) What the heck does this 'CHECK' light mean?
> > 2) Could this light be telling me "Look at the on-board computer
> > stupid!"?
> 
> I believe that's it.  Mine will do it when I'm low on washer fluid. 
> Lately I'm getting the 'Brake circuit failure.'  Not to hijack your
> thread but what's the fix for that?  Leaving tomorrow evening for VIR
> so it's not like I can actually fix it before I go.  :-/
> 
> Carlos
> 98 M3
> 
> 
>               
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:53:19 -0400
From: "KMS- Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]>
Subject: FS   97 540i/6spd, silver, $15K
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Not sure if it's a good price or not, you do the research.

A customer of mine ( a used car dealer) has one for sale.  Silver, don't
know the interior colour, about 100K miles.

Any remote interest, email me and I'll pass on his contact info.


Brett Anderson
KMS - Koala Motorsport
www.bmwdiffs.com
440 564 7574
9988 Kinsman Rd
Novelty, OH 44072
(Near Cleveland)




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