The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 797 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: <E36> rear wheel bearings Re: Tire Rotation Re: Tire Rotation Re: <E36> rear wheel bearings Re: Tire Rotation Re: Tire Rotation Re: Tire Rotation Re: Tire Rotation Re: Tire Rotation Turbocharging an M44 Re: Turbocharging an M44 Re: Turbocharging an M44 Re: Turbocharging an M44 Re: Tire Rotation Re: Tire Rotation
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 06:32:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <E36> rear wheel bearings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anybody got notes/photos on servicing E36 rear wheel bearings using only hand tools? - Kevin Jay '96 328is, red/tan, 95K, usual H&R/Bilstein setup, a few M3 parts too '02 X5 3.0, white/tan, 35K, bone stock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:11:40 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Celisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tire Rotation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> About every 5000 miles or so is a good number. In a moderately powered and adult driven BMW the front and rear tires wear out about the same but with different patterns. The fronts wear out the outside, the rears wear out the inside. You have to get down to inspect the inside of the rear tires. If you have let it go past 15,000 miles or so, forget the rotation for the current set. If you have an M3 and testosterone poisoning (or are testosterone enhanced as my son claims), the rear tires will wear out much faster than the fronts. Gary Derian > How often should you rotate your tires? I'm asking because someone mention > to me doing it every month. I guess that is good to really keep them > wearing smoothly. > > Celisa > '99 328is > > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:48:40 -0500 From: "Ivan Demkovitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Subject: Re: Tire Rotation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Changing oil yesterday noticed that rears gone. Toyo T1-S after 7.5k miles. Yes. Only 7.5k They weared out evenly (can send picture) Fronts about 1/2 thread left. 540i/6 Ivan ~Looking for harder rubber :) >From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Celisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [UUC] Tire Rotation >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:11:40 -0400 > >About every 5000 miles or so is a good number. In a moderately powered and >adult driven BMW the front and rear tires wear out about the same but with >different patterns. The fronts wear out the outside, the rears wear out >the inside. You have to get down to inspect the inside of the rear tires. >If you have let it go past 15,000 miles or so, forget the rotation for the >current set. > >If you have an M3 and testosterone poisoning (or are testosterone enhanced >as my son claims), the rear tires will wear out much faster than the >fronts. > >Gary Derian > > >>How often should you rotate your tires? I'm asking because someone mention >>to me doing it every month. I guess that is good to really keep them >>wearing smoothly. >> >> Celisa >>'99 328is >> >> >> >> >> >>Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ >>In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >>UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >>Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:21:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> rear wheel bearings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Actually, I was asking about bearings, not RTABs But funny you should throw in the limiter kit from Turner. I've been running poly RTABs for a few months now (street car, no track use) and have grown increasingly unhappy with them (the ride's OK, but they're *noisy*). Been thinking about switching back to stock once the weather cools down here in NE Fl (and I'll rent Brent's press to do it). The limiter kit from Turner might just be the shiznit. Cool, really do appreciate this. - k On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Anybody got notes/photos on servicing E36 rear wheel bearings using only > hand tools? > > Kevin, > > You may find this link to be useful, and although I have doe the deed > without the specialized tools, it is much easier with them. I think that > the Oz > connection here Brent at Koala Motorsports) has the tools for rent, and one > of > the knockoffs for the tool is available from Victory Racing supply for > around $80 USD as well, although the Bimmer tool is much superior in terms > of how > long the job takes to complete. > > (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200815) > > If you're handy, yu can make a pretty decent tool as well, see: > > (http://www-ese.fnal.gov/People/wilcer/volvo_trailing_arm_bushing_tool.htm) > > and the following links will give you some pointers: > > (http://www.tunnellracing.com/techtips/trailbush.html) > > (http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=RTAB) > > > (http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?product_id=RTAL&shipType=6&shippingZip=29376&GO=GO) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:21:43 -0700 From: John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tire Rotation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Either never, or every oil change (~5k miles). If you're following the BMW indicator on a newer model your oil changes aren't going to be 5K miles. Basically, though, 5-8K miles, which is twice a year for most people. > BMW recommends never, as the tires wear differently from > front to rear and with most modern, directional tires you > can't swap them side-to-side. BMW recommends never because - okay, this is only my theory, but - it's easier for BMW dealers to sell new tires than to deal with comebacks. The dealer only sees the car (ideally) when it needs oil change. Present-day that's 12K by their service indicator. Rotate the tires and they're going to sound different, maybe feel a little different until they've started to wear in in their new position. Customer drives out the door and gets more tread-sing and turns around and comes back, service adviser has to explain to the customer that he's going to have to drive ~2K miles to wear the tire in to the new position. > If you change frequently they won't have time to wear in > one specific pattern too much. Don't follow the generic > guidelines given for most cars. So far as I can tell what we've been discussing *are* generic tire-rotation guidelines. > If you don't rotate, you replace your rear tires > (generally) twice as often as the fronts. Really? At least on our E39s that hasn't been my experience. Of course, on the wife's car we rotate, and the set of S-03s I had on the M5 were always coming apart so I can't say what would have lasted how long... John. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tire Rotation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Either never, or every oil change (~5k miles). > > If you're following the BMW indicator on a newer model > your oil changes > aren't going to be 5K miles. Basically, though, 5-8K > miles, which is > twice a year for most people. Which is why I gave a mileage notation; for me (and many others, as this is discussed here often) every oil change is 5k. If you use snow tires, it's easy to rotate when you change tire sets. Celisa lives in TX, though. > BMW recommends never because - okay, this is only my > theory, but - it's > easier for BMW dealers to sell new tires than to deal > with comebacks. I think you're probably right. Regardless of reason, though, their recommendation stands. I've done both on various cars (don't rotate, rotate frequently), and both courses work fine. > So far as I can tell what we've been discussing *are* > generic > tire-rotation guidelines. Nah, BMW flaunts conventional wisdom by saying, "don't rotate." Most manufacturers don't recommend 5k mile rotations, but I haven't followed that info lately so I may be wrong. My impression is that for tire rotation to be effective on a BMW it needs to be more frequent than recommended for most cars. > > If you don't rotate, you replace your rear tires > > (generally) twice as often as the fronts. > > Really? Yep, based on my experience with an E36 M3, E36 325iC, and E28 535is. Of course, I may drive very differently from you. My dad's M3 was the same, wore out the stock Pilot Sports in 24k (rear) while the fronts were just past half-worn. And he doesn't drive like me. It's all relative to personal habits and car setup; my E28 is lowered and static neg. camber on the rear (not adjustable) burns up the inside of the tire on the highway. That's my excuse for going to the track; i'm evening out the wear. ;-) I swap snows front-to-rear with every season (typically 6k miles of driving each winter). I've been doing the same with the summer tires between track events. -tammer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:55:24 -0700 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tire Rotation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Another approach is to rotate the tires side to side, turning them around on the rims. Thus left outer becomes right inner, right outer to left inner, with the direction of rotation remaining the same. I do this when my tires are 1/3 to 1/2 worn. This give a close to evenly worn out tread when they reach to the wear bars. Barry Tammer Farid wrote: >--- John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>Either never, or every oil change (~5k miles). >>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tire Rotation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That approach won't work on the Michelin PS2 and PE2s. Later, Rich '95 M3 - Michelin PS2 (can rotate side-to-side) '90 325is - Michelin PE2 (can rotate all four corners) '91 318is - Kumho Ecsta 712 (can't rotate those at all...junk, just want to get rid of them...) --- JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another approach is to rotate the tires side to side, turning them > around on the rims. Thus left outer becomes right inner, right outer to > left inner, with the direction of rotation remaining the same. I do > this when my tires are 1/3 to 1/2 worn. This give a close to evenly > worn out tread when they reach to the wear bars. > Barry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:38:32 -0500 (CDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tire Rotation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You guys from other parts of the country thahave never been to Texas don't seem to have an understanding of the climatic variations that exist. Texas is a BIG state, about 900 miels across from east to west. Some parts of the state are sub-tropical while others are desert, with everything in betwen. Yes, it's true Celisa lives in Texas, she lives in the Dallas / Ft. Worth area and WINTER DOES EXIST in the form of snow and ice storms. I live in the Houston area and at times winters here can even be too cold for summer high performance tires. Rich > --- John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Either never, or every oil change (~5k miles). >> >> If you're following the BMW indicator on a newer model >> your oil changes >> aren't going to be 5K miles. Basically, though, 5-8K >> miles, which is >> twice a year for most people. > > Which is why I gave a mileage notation; for me (and many > others, as this is discussed here often) every oil change > is 5k. If you use snow tires, it's easy to rotate when you > change tire sets. Celisa lives in TX, though. > >> BMW recommends never because - okay, this is only my >> theory, but - it's >> easier for BMW dealers to sell new tires than to deal >> with comebacks. > > I think you're probably right. Regardless of reason, > though, their recommendation stands. I've done both on > various cars (don't rotate, rotate frequently), and both > courses work fine. > >> So far as I can tell what we've been discussing *are* >> generic >> tire-rotation guidelines. > > Nah, BMW flaunts conventional wisdom by saying, "don't > rotate." Most manufacturers don't recommend 5k mile > rotations, but I haven't followed that info lately so I may > be wrong. My impression is that for tire rotation to be > effective on a BMW it needs to be more frequent than > recommended for most cars. > >> > If you don't rotate, you replace your rear tires >> > (generally) twice as often as the fronts. >> >> Really? > > Yep, based on my experience with an E36 M3, E36 325iC, and > E28 535is. Of course, I may drive very differently from > you. My dad's M3 was the same, wore out the stock Pilot > Sports in 24k (rear) while the fronts were just past > half-worn. And he doesn't drive like me. It's all > relative to personal habits and car setup; my E28 is > lowered and static neg. camber on the rear (not adjustable) > burns up the inside of the tire on the highway. That's my > excuse for going to the track; i'm evening out the wear. > ;-) I swap snows front-to-rear with every season > (typically 6k miles of driving each winter). I've been > doing the same with the summer tires between track events. > > -tammer > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:57:44 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Turbocharging an M44 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi gruppe, Anybody have any experience with turbochargers on the M44? My '98 318ti needs a few extra horses but I'd like to try to avoid going the S52 route (keep the same handling charactoristics). Thanks in advance! Will Mitchell '98 318ti '05 Wrangler Unlimited '91 M3 (for sale) -- "Don't do anything I'd do; and if you do, make sure you clean up afterwards & name it after me!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:45:36 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Turbocharging an M44 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Any aftermarket kit like this will convert your car to a full time project. There is no way an aftermarket setup will be as trouble free as an oem setup. If you want more power, then get a different car. If you want a project, then go ahead and turbocharge. Gary Derian > Hi gruppe, > Anybody have any experience with turbochargers on the M44? My '98 318ti > needs a few extra horses but I'd like to try to avoid going the S52 route > (keep the same handling charactoristics). Thanks in advance! > > Will Mitchell > '98 318ti > '05 Wrangler Unlimited > '91 M3 (for sale) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:07:46 -0700 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Subject: Re: Turbocharging an M44 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At one point I had both a '95 318ti and an '81 Callway turbo 320iS, 2.0 liter, microfueler, tuned and squeezed out, about 170hp, probably 150+ lbs torque. Sold and traded all that in and got an //M3. If you have class specific or kid racer ya ya stuff in mind, its a blast, do the turbo. Else, drop in a 6 and you'll be at least as fast with many less headaches and long term reliability anxieties. my .02cents worth.... Barry Gary Derian wrote: > Any aftermarket kit like this will convert your car to a full time > project. There is no way an aftermarket setup will be as trouble free > as an oem setup. If you want more power, then get a different car. > If you want a project, then go ahead and turbocharge. Gary Derian > > >> Hi gruppe, >> Anybody have any experience with turbochargers on the M44? My '98 >> 318ti needs a few extra horses but I'd like to try to avoid going the >> S52 route (keep the same handling charactoristics). Thanks in advance! >> Will Mitchell >> '98 318ti >> '05 Wrangler Unlimited >> '91 M3 (for sale) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:11:21 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Turbocharging an M44 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brett Anderson has been installing and refining the DA supercharger kits for those motors. From what I've seen of the results, they are as close to trouble-free as any custom major engine modification can be, and they drive nicely. Call Brett @ 440-564-7574. -Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: [UUC] Turbocharging an M44 > Hi gruppe, > Anybody have any experience with turbochargers on the M44? My '98 318ti needs a few extra horses but I'd like to try to avoid going the S52 route (keep the same handling charactoristics). Thanks in advance! > > Will Mitchell > '98 318ti > '05 Wrangler Unlimited > '91 M3 (for sale) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tire Rotation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Celisa lives in TX, so snow isn't an issue ... rain is generally worst-case and never rotating, and replacing the rears when they wear is the simplest thing to do. But you made your point. -tammer --- Rich Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you don't rotate, you replace your rear tires > > (generally) twice as often as the fronts. A benefit is > > that your newest tires are always going in the back, > which > > is safest in foul weather. > > But not particularly safe in "foul weather" as the fronts > are 1/2 worn and > the rears are wearing down to the tread bars... > > :-) > > There is no perfect solution for all cases. > > Later, > > Rich > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:09:19 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tammer Farid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tire Rotation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Texas gets big rain. Driving a car with less tread on the rear tires is an invitation to spin out. When the rear tires hydroplane, its all over. New tires always go on the rear, even in a front wheel drive vehicle. Those of us with big power with directional and staggered tires cannot rotate and wear out rear tires faster than fronts. The only course of action is frequent inspections of the rear tires and replacement at 4/32 or so. Unless one doesn't drive in the rain. Gary Derian > Celisa lives in TX, so snow isn't an issue ... rain is > generally worst-case and never rotating, and replacing the > rears when they wear is the simplest thing to do. > > But you made your point. > -tammer > > --- Rich Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > If you don't rotate, you replace your rear tires >> > (generally) twice as often as the fronts. A benefit is >> > that your newest tires are always going in the back, >> which >> > is safest in foul weather. >> >> But not particularly safe in "foul weather" as the fronts >> are 1/2 worn and >> the rears are wearing down to the tread bars... >> >> :-) >> >> There is no perfect solution for all cases. >> >> Later, >> >> Rich ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
