The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 873 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: E46 Shocks and Struts Re: E46 Shocks and Struts Re: E46 Shocks and Struts E46 Shocks and Struts Re: E46 Shocks and Struts Re: <e36> Suspension set up What happened to Eurasian Automotive? Warped rotors e36 Re: Warped rotors e36 Re: Warped rotors e36 Re: Warped rotors e36 Re: Warped rotors e36 Re: Warped rotors e36 Replacing E36 ignition cylinder Re: Laguna Seca noise limits
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:39:15 -0800 From: Tom Kosmalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: E46 Shocks and Struts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gary wrote: What is wrong with the usual Bilstein or Koni parts? I'm told that the rear units for the wagon differ from the sedan, and are not available. Bilsteins would suit me fine. Barry says he has a set of shocks and struts from a 1997 M3 with 15k miles on them. Opinions? Thanks! Tom K. > Just my semiannual inquiry as to whether anyone is aware of sport > shocks and struts that would fit an 04 325iT without sport suspension. > I sure can't find any. > Not interested in lowering, stiffer springs, etc., just a set of > slightly firmer shocks. > TIA! > Tom K. > Hood River, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:47:53 -0800 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tom Kosmalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: E46 Shocks and Struts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I only have the shocks. Barry Tom Kosmalski wrote: > Gary wrote: What is wrong with the usual Bilstein or Koni parts? > I'm told that the rear units for the wagon differ from the sedan, and > are not available. Bilsteins would suit me fine. > Barry says he has a set of shocks and struts from a 1997 M3 with 15k > miles on them. Opinions? > Thanks! Tom K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:04:27 -0800 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E46 Shocks and Struts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:39 AM 11/21/2005, Tom Kosmalski wrote: >Gary wrote: What is wrong with the usual Bilstein or Koni parts? > >I'm told that the rear units for the wagon differ from the sedan, >and are not available. Bilsteins would suit me fine. Depends on who you believe. Bilstein sells the same rears for all bodystyles. Koni has one part for sedans, another part coupes, convs and wagons. Heck, some people (like TCKline) use the same part for every E36 and E46. Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:21:55 -0800 From: Tom Kosmalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: E46 Shocks and Struts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, Kazuto. The new Koni FSDs or Sports sound perfect. Now I just need to find a reputable shop in the Hood River or Portland, Oregon area to slap them on. I'd do shocks, but not struts. How are your Sports treating you? Tom K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:49:16 -0800 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E46 Shocks and Struts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:46 AM 11/21/2005, Tom Kosmalski wrote: Koni just released a new type of shock (FSD) and they have a kit for E46 non-sports. I put good 'ol Koni Sports in my iT recently, though mine has factory sport suspension. >Just my semiannual inquiry as to whether anyone is aware of sport >shocks and struts that would fit an 04 325iT without sport suspension. > >I sure can't find any. > >Not interested in lowering, stiffer springs, etc., just a set of >slightly firmer shocks. > >TIA! > >Tom K. >Hood River, OR > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:28:37 -0800 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <e36> Suspension set up Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Chet, no argument from me on this. My advice was for a street car that might see occasional track or autocross time. If I were setting up a car that was used more heavily (or exclusively) for track/competition, my alignment would be completely different - more toe-out, more neg camber. With my 0.06 deg toe in, I get decent tire wear and pretty good handling, without any tramlining on rain grooved pavement. I'd sacrifice the tire life for a car that was not my daily driver. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:29:41 -0500 >From: "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: <e36> Suspension set up >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>EX01.NorthAmerica.Del phiAuto.net> > > >Scott, >This is good info. However, it sacrifices turn-in and handling balance. >Bushings deflect under braking and turning to provide more toe-in. >Toe-in acts to induce understeer. A little heavy trail-braking should >take care of that, but you have to drive around it to make the car >balanced. >I can't argue with your experience, I'm just trying to point out >possible trade-offs and share some of my own. >Toe out during heavy weight-transfer acceleration is not as large a >concern as excessive toe-in under braking and turn-in. I think the >forces acting on the front control arm bushings under braking are much >larger than those under acceleration. But that's only my opinion and >it's all a compromise. Only the focal point changes. > >I've always been amazed at how much can be done with a performance >alignment alone to help balance a car. A little negative camber and >some toe changes and an otherwise stock car can go from understeer to >neutral handling. > >Cheers, >Chet Dawes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:51:01 -0800 (PST) From: Mr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: What happened to Eurasian Automotive? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I haven't bought anything from them in a while and now it seems they don't have a website anymore. Anyone know what happened to them? This used to be the address http://www.eap4parts.com/ Manuel Paredes 95 325i L.A BMWCCA __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:34:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Warped rotors e36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I keep warping my rotors just on street use and need to replace them again (3rd set). I do commute to work so they do see lots of stop and go but nothing out of the ordinary. I'm using factory rotors with PBR pads. I'm thinking of going with slotted or cross drilled rotors next to help avoid warping. Any comments as to which would help prevent warping best? TIA! Manuel Paredes 95 325i L.A. BMWCCA __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:06:30 -0500 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Warped rotors e36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Read this article, before you conclude that your rotors are warped.... http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml Vty, --Dennis -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Subject: [UUC] Warped rotors e36 I keep warping my rotors just on street use and need to replace them again (3rd set). I do commute to work so they do see lots of stop and go but nothing out of the ordinary. I'm using factory rotors with PBR pads. I'm thinking of going with slotted or cross drilled rotors next to help avoid warping. Any comments as to which would help prevent warping best? TIA! Manuel Paredes 95 325i L.A. BMWCCA __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:12:05 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Warped rotors e36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You're probably not warping the rotors at all... my money is on melted pad deposit. If you're feeling a shimmy that seems like warped rotors with a modern BMW, 99.9% of the time it's melted pad deposit. The PBR pads are your problem. You need a pad with a higher heat range. For street use, I would recommend the Akebono Ceramic or Hawk Performance Ceramic. You won't get pad deposit from either of these, and as a side-benefit they have very low dust. New pads should remove the deposit, so you don't even need new rotors right away. A couple of days and your shimmy should be gone. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:34 PM Subject: [UUC] Warped rotors e36 > I keep warping my rotors just on street use and need > to replace them again (3rd set). I do commute to work > so they do see lots of stop and go but nothing out of > the ordinary. I'm using factory rotors with PBR pads. > I'm thinking of going with slotted or cross drilled > rotors next to help avoid warping. Any comments as to > which would help prevent warping best? TIA! > > Manuel Paredes > 95 325i > L.A. BMWCCA > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:32:35 -0600 From: "Paul A. Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mr'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Warped rotors e36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey, Are those rotors OE or OEM? I buy my rotors from the dealer (hence OE NOT OEM) and I am criminal in my abuse of the factory stock brakes on my 96 328i. I even have the brake ducts' missing as the infamous plastic under the nose of my e36 is messed up, AGAIN! Grrr. I go thru pads like a nutcase but never a warped rotor. I use pads from the dealer as well.(usually pagid) Is your car automatic? Nothing kills rotors like sitting at the bottom of an off ramp with your foot on the brake...especially one where we got off a little "enthusiastically! (Nudge, nudge, wink, wink) Paul A. Garnier FastNetworking 281-827-0725 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Subject: [UUC] Warped rotors e36 I keep warping my rotors just on street use and need to replace them again (3rd set). I do commute to work so they do see lots of stop and go but nothing out of the ordinary. I'm using factory rotors with PBR pads. I'm thinking of going with slotted or cross drilled rotors next to help avoid warping. Any comments as to which would help prevent warping best? TIA! Manuel Paredes 95 325i L.A. BMWCCA __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:26:25 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Warped rotors e36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Mr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I keep warping my rotors just on street use and need > to replace them again (3rd set). I do commute to work > so they do see lots of stop and go but nothing out of > the ordinary. I'm using factory rotors with PBR pads. > I'm thinking of going with slotted or cross drilled > rotors next to help avoid warping. Any comments as to > which would help prevent warping best? TIA! Warping rotors is not likely to happen in stop and go traffic. Pad deposits building up is. There's a Carroll Smith article on the StopTech website that you can read on this. I'd clean off the rotors and switch pads. Carlos. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:14:50 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Warped rotors e36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You're not commuting on Mulholland drive are you? Are the rotors warping soon after you change them? If you try to mate new rotors to bad pads or don't bed them in properly, you can create hotspots that will warp brand new rotors very quickly. Make sure you have the hubs very clean to get the rotors mounted squarely and make sure the pads are in good shape. I ran stock rotors in all kinds of situations on my 325 with no drama at all. Sometimes they'd *feel* warped with deposits from some pads, but they held up remarkably well. I don't think that slotted or drilled will help you that much particularly given the premiums you'd pay over stock rotors. Marc Plante 1993 E36 325i, Sold @ 230k 1997 E36 M3/4 67k Vienna, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [UUC] Warped rotors e36 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:34:41 -0800 (PST) > > I keep warping my rotors just on street use and need > to replace them again (3rd set). I do commute to work > so they do see lots of stop and go but nothing out of > the ordinary. I'm using factory rotors with PBR pads. > I'm thinking of going with slotted or cross drilled > rotors next to help avoid warping. Any comments as to > which would help prevent warping best? TIA! > > Manuel Paredes > 95 325i > L.A. BMWCCA > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:17:40 -0800 From: Dave Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Replacing E36 ignition cylinder Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just ordered a new ignition lock cylinder for our '95 M3 and have a question about the tool used to remove it. It looks like a stiff wire with a slight bend on the end...is that all it is? Thanks, Dave T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:29:46 -0500 From: Chris Eck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Laguna Seca noise limits Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The problem with making aftermarket parts specific to the E30 M3 is a very small number of potential consumers. There were what, maybe 5K of them imported. No way to know how many survive today, but a few get munched at the track and on the street each year, plus the maintenance costs on them probably claim a few each year (young buyers who just can't swing an S14 rebuild, etc.), not to mention the salt and simple age, the newest one being now 15 years old. Lots of up-front investment in R&D and tooling, etc., for a very small potential market. On the other hand, we're lousy with E36's! ;-) Chris Eck On 11/21/05, john grills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris, > Just as I suspected. Now, if we can convince them to put one together for > the e30 M3 I'll wait in line to purchase! > I'd love to match this object d'art to Mario L's X-pipe...it's only money, > right? > > r/John Grills > 98 M3/4 > 88 M3 > 87 iC > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Eck > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:14 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Laguna Seca noise limits > > I have the new UUC Corsa RSC36 exhaust on my E36M3 and it's phenomenal > -- lighter than stock and a gain of a few hp, and it sounds magnificent. I > have not been subject to any noise restriction problems at the tracks I've > run, but I've not driven Laguna Seca. I have not had a single person in the > car on the track who has not commented on the wonderful sound this exhaust > provides, and it's quiet at idle and doesn't drone on the highway. Just an > excellent choice. > > Chris Eck > 97 M3 > 99 M Roadster ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
