The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 881 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E36 rear suframe and diff bushings Re: E36 rear suframe and diff bushings Re: <E36> rear suframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential drone Meyle Front Control Arms Re: Meyle Front Control Arms Re: Differential drone Re: E30 DME throws "No Vehicle speed sensor signal" code Re: E30 DME throws "No Vehicle speed sensor signal" code Carfax on 2004 X3 Re: Carfax on 2004 X3 Ever wonder why traffic jams happen? Re: Ever wonder why traffic jams happen? Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential drone Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:26:58 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 rear suframe and diff bushings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/29/05 4:05 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seeking recomendations for replacement rear subframe and differential mount > bushings for an E36 //M3. Possibly urethane, hard plastic, or delrin. I'd suggest extreme caution with regard to the the use of essentially non-compliant bushing material such as Delrin unless you're also planning reinforcement of the subframe mounting area. Even then you'd want to schedule regular monitoring and inspection. The same considerations would apply but to a lesser degree with any harder material, such as polyurethane. While the subframe is out and easily accessed you might want to have triangulations welded in to reinforce the swaybar mounting tabs. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:50:07 -0800 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 rear suframe and diff bushings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> With the polyurethane bushings, could squeeks or ride problems some have described be due to incorrect torqueing? Since polyurethane is a different material with different compliance than OEM rubber bushings, could a tigher or looser torque be better than factory spec? Is rear swaybar mounting tab breakage a problem with the stock swaybar and mount or only stiffer ones? Thx, Barry Neil Maller wrote: >on 11/29/05 4:05 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > >>Seeking recomendations for replacement rear subframe and differential mount >>bushings for an E36 //M3. Possibly urethane, hard plastic, or delrin. >> >> >The same considerations would apply but to a lesser degree with any harder >material, such as polyurethane. >While the subframe is out and easily accessed you might want to have >triangulations welded in to reinforce the swaybar mounting tabs. >Neil Fort Wayne, IN > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:54:37 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> rear suframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential drone Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Barry, The place to go in the Bay Area is TC Design. http://www.tcdesignfab.com/ I saw Tony putting in new bushings just a few weeks ago. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. 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That is gone now, so the ball joints must have been a little tired. Some other mysterious noises are also gone. The steering wheel is not level when going straight, so I guess that it is time to get the toe-in adjusted. Michael Thompson E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: Meyle Front Control Arms Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Michael Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just replaced the front control arms in my '93 325iS with ones from > Meyle. It was not a difficult job, but it did take some big hits on the > pickle fork to get the ball joints to pop out. I don't have a hydraulic > press at home, so I used an air chisel to get the old bushings out and used > a really big bench vise to put the new ones in. I hope you have better luck with Meyle ball joints than I did, the ball joints in the Meyle tie rods I installed in two E30s were shot in less than 10k miles of very normal highway usage. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:51:39 -0800 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]>, bmw digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Differential drone Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Some comic relief during the bushing search: http://www.akgmotorsport.com/answerprice.html Also check out their V12 in an E36 conversion. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:37:28 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Ryan Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: E30 DME throws "No Vehicle speed sensor signal" code Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't think so. Not to sound like I'm jumping on my high horse but, the scan tool was my brother's, and he's a BMW master tech with top gun awards. Let's not get into why he didn't just fix the car for me after the diagnosis...holiday weekend, no parts stores open, not enough time to stick around, etc. The code was definitly for the vehicle speed sensor, not crank position sensor-which happens to be about three months old. The better question to ask might be: how important could the vehicle speed sensor signal be to the DME? It's getting to the speedometer, what else needs that info and why? I guess I'm either in for tracing wires inside the dash to see where the fault lies or ignoring this fault code. Could the SI board be a area of interest/culprit? Thanks, Pete > I don't think it is talking about the speedometer sensor, rather the speed > sensor on your timing cover that counts the rpm's on the crank. Crank > sensor I think?? It is a thick white wire that goes from the diagnostic > plug area to the front timing cover where it snaps in just above the crank > pulley. Perhaps there is a fault in the wire. > Ryan- > > > Hi all, > > > > I had the opportunity to have my 1990 325i scanned by a Snap-On > > scan tool, which had all the available BMW chips/plugs/updates/etc., this > > weekend. I forgot the code number it threw, yet it meant that the vehicle > > speed sensor wasn't giving signal to the DME. The VSS is located in the > > diff cover and gives signal for the speedometer, if I understand > > correctly. > > > > This car has a low power, erratic performance issue. Anyone know if I > > should persue this or know why/how this fault could be raised? > > > > The speedometer works. always has. > > > > Thanks in advance to all who spend a few minutes pondering this dilemma. > > > > Pete Harkonen > > 1990 325i 5sp. > > Chicago > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:30:21 -0800 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 DME throws "No Vehicle speed sensor signal" code Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, like Ryan said, there is a nomenclature issue here. The vehicle speed sensor is in the diff and feeds road speed info to the ECU. The ECU feeds the speedo and the odometer. The crankshaft position sensor is mounted on the front of the engine. The crank position sensor can cause running problems, although usually the engine just stops running. Test per the Bentley manual. If the speedo is still working, there is nothing wrong with the vehicle speed sensor in the diff. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:46:21 +0000 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [email protected] >Subject: E30 DME throws "No Vehicle speed sensor signal" code >Message-ID: ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] mcast.net> > >Hi all, > >I had the opportunity to have my 1990 325i scanned by a Snap-On >scan tool, which had all the available BMW chips/plugs/updates/etc., this weekend. I >forgot the code number it threw, yet it meant that the vehicle speed sensor wasn't giving >signal to the DME. The VSS is located in the diff cover and gives signal for the >speedometer, if I understand correctly. > >This car has a low power, erratic performance issue. Anyone know if I should persue this >or know why/how this fault could be raised? > >The speedometer works. always has. > >Thanks in advance to all who spend a few minutes pondering this dilemma. > >Pete Harkonen >1990 325i 5sp. >Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:11:55 -0500 From: "Bailey Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Carfax on 2004 X3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Could someone please run a Carfax on: WBXPA73484WB25422 ? Thanks in advance!!! Bailey Taylor 1995 318ti Club Sport 1997 528iA 1999 Wrangler Sahara Light Campaign Assault Vehicle 1996 Triumph Speed Triple ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:45:16 -0500 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Carfax on 2004 X3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Comes back as a 2006 Forester X LL Bean edition, strange. Mike Lol > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bmwuucdigest- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bailey Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [UUC] Carfax on 2004 X3 > > Could someone please run a Carfax on: WBXPA73484WB25422 ? > Thanks in advance!!! > > > > Bailey Taylor > 1995 318ti Club Sport > 1997 528iA > 1999 Wrangler Sahara Light Campaign Assault Vehicle > 1996 Triumph Speed Triple > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: > 11/29/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: 11/29/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:59:49 -0500 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ferrari List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW List" <[email protected]> Subject: Ever wonder why traffic jams happen? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pretty interesting: http://www.amasci.com/amateur/traffic/traffic1.html Vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ever wonder why traffic jams happen? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Heh, "amateur traffic dynamicist." I actually went to school to learn the same thing (and have a degree to prove it). > Pretty interesting: > > http://www.amasci.com/amateur/traffic/traffic1.html > > Vty, > > --Dennis > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > -- Kazuto Okayasu Administrative Computing Services University of California, Irvine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:32:11 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential drone Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> well here's my theory from very limited observations. Stock bushings go bad since they use a rubber formula in use by Germans since 1943. The slop in the bad bushings allows the subframe to push/pull the studs that hold the subframe to the car resulting in metal fatigue of the mounting points. So if my theory is correct then stiffer bushings would result in fewer failures since the subframe wouldn't have the opportunity to "work" the mounting studs. Tradeoff is more NVH. Also be careful over speed bumps. I've seen two E36s with subframes practically pulled out of the mounting points and each had some rather large scrapes on the diff carrier that looked suspiciously like an impact with a speed bump or curb. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of aaron b Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential drone I don't mean to steer this off the original question, but on a sidenote - How do uprated bushings affect the rear subframe mount cracking problems on these & the E46 cars? Would stiffer bushings make the cracking more or less likely to occur? Thanks. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk superstars - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/ Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:03:58 -0800 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> After being submerged in the garage under the rear of my car for four hours to remove a total of eight bolts to drop the rear subframe, after the diff was already out of the car, I agree with Marco's analysis. The subframe was _so wiggly on its 119k mile old mounts when I started shaking and yanking it to break it free and work it down and off the studs. Comparable to the sideplay wiggle in a fatigued stock E3x front lower control arm bushing. Kinda shocking if you've never dropped a subframe before, but consistent with how loose and wiggly old suspension bushings in other BMW series get after a bunch of miles. Anyway, current progress on the project is, ordered Powerflex bushings and camber arms from Bimmerworld. Ordered urethane diff mounts from AKG, home of the V12 E36. And the main course, a 3.38 lsd diff from Zionsville. Pricier than any of the 3.23's I found, but documented 40k miles from a '99 automatic, can't wait for it to arrive. Tomorrow schlep the subframe in a big size Timbukt2 bag riding my bicycle to Dinan's shop to get the old bushings pressed out, then wait, probably not so patiently, for the parts to arrive maybe in time for the second weekend in a row of practicing automotive proctology. Of course it can't all go smoothly D<: Here's where I'm stuck currently and need help: How the %^&^&* do I get the bolt out from the end of the lower control arm at the wheel? This list has taught me that no matter what someone encounters, there's always someone who's suffered and solved it before. One side came out ok. The other bolt seems fused to the metal sleeve inside the boot. The sleeve turns inside the boot with the bolt. the bolt isn't turning. Can't torch it because it'll damage the boot. Hammered the bolt head hard with a 3 pound mallet, and it won't budge. Any ideas? Incantations possibly? Barry Marco Romani wrote: >well here's my theory from very limited observations. >Stock bushings go bad since they use a rubber formula in use by Germans >since 1943. The slop in the bad bushings allows the subframe to push/pull >the studs that hold the subframe to the car resulting in metal fatigue of >the mounting points. So if my theory is correct then stiffer bushings would >result in fewer failures since the subframe wouldn't have the opportunity to >"work" the mounting studs. >Tradeoff is more NVH. >Also be careful over speed bumps. I've seen two E36s with subframes >practically pulled out of the mounting points and each had some rather large >scrapes on the diff carrier that looked suspiciously like an impact with a >speed bump or curb. >Marco >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of aaron b >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:37 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: >differential drone >I don't mean to steer this off the original question, >but on a sidenote - How do uprated bushings affect the >rear subframe mount cracking problems on these & the >E46 cars? Would stiffer bushings make the cracking >more or less likely to occur? >Thanks. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:31:37 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Germans had virtually exhausted their rubber supplies by 1943. Marco Romani wrote: >well here's my theory from very limited observations. > >Stock bushings go bad since they use a rubber formula in use by Germans >since 1943. > > ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
