The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 207 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: tesla Re: tesla Re: tesla Re: tesla Re: tesla E36 M50B25tu down on power Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power E36 M3 4-Door Windshield Replacement Re: E36 M3 4-Door Windshield Replacement Re: E36 M3 4-Door Windshield Replacement
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:25:52 -0400 From: "Ryan Brenneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: tesla Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruppe Just remember for all those wonderful electric cars the power plants that create that electricity are mostly coal burning power plants. 52% to be exact. 20% is Nuclear and 16% is LPG. The rest is spread out over petroleum, wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, etc. As it so happens our modern internal combustion motors are way more environmentally friendly than even the cleanest coal power plant. So just kind of remember to put that fact into any consideration of eco friendliness of electric cars. OTOH the Tesla is a really nice looking vehicle. I sure wouldn't mind having something that neat. Ryan B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:04:00 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: tesla Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As it so happens our > modern internal combustion motors are way more environmentally friendly > than even the cleanest coal power plant. Once again the most unpopular comment one could make is usually the one containing facts. Thanks for the post Ryan, I am an unpopular fact finder too. Right now it seems every "alternative fuel/power source" solution spends a dollar to pick up a dime. They're all either playing off marketing, or US Govt. grants/ tax benefits for "trying". Whatever. I'll take the real Elise with the real gasoline burning engine. Jon ______________________________________________ Jon Siccardi - DM #052 TreehouseRacing.com M50conversion.com 615.333.9118 ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Brenneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: [UUC] tesla > Gruppe > > Just remember for all those wonderful electric cars the power plants > that create that electricity are mostly coal burning power plants. 52% > to be exact. 20% is Nuclear and 16% is LPG. The rest is spread out over > petroleum, wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, etc. As it so happens our > modern internal combustion motors are way more environmentally friendly > than even the cleanest coal power plant. So just kind of remember to put > that fact into any consideration of eco friendliness of electric cars. > OTOH the Tesla is a really nice looking vehicle. I sure wouldn't mind > having something that neat. > > Ryan B. > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:23:43 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ryan Brenneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: tesla Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And that doesn't begin to cover the efficiency of coal to heat to mechanical to electricity, which is transmitted, then to chemical then back to electrical and finally to mechanical to make the car go. By the time its done, we're talking 5 to 10% efficiency. Gary Derian > Gruppe > > Just remember for all those wonderful electric cars the power plants > that create that electricity are mostly coal burning power plants. 52% > to be exact. 20% is Nuclear and 16% is LPG. The rest is spread out over > petroleum, wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, etc. As it so happens our > modern internal combustion motors are way more environmentally friendly > than even the cleanest coal power plant. So just kind of remember to put > that fact into any consideration of eco friendliness of electric cars. > OTOH the Tesla is a really nice looking vehicle. I sure wouldn't mind > having something that neat. > > Ryan B. > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:58:09 -0700 (PDT) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: tesla Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Since we are on a fact finding mission, what then is the efficiency of finding crude oil, mining crude oil, shipping crude oil to the US, refining it into all the necessary grades, shipping it to all the respective gas stations throughout the country, and then converting it to mechanical energy? I honestly don't know, but in the interest of full disclosure it would be interesting to know rather than simply throwing out 5-10% efficiency numbers for electric cars. Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily agreeing with Telsa Corp's statements that electric cars are better for the environment. -Paul 95 M3 --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And that doesn't begin to cover the efficiency of > coal to heat to mechanical > to electricity, which is transmitted, then to > chemical then back to > electrical and finally to mechanical to make the car > go. By the time its > done, we're talking 5 to 10% efficiency. > > Gary Derian > > > > Gruppe > > > > Just remember for all those wonderful electric > cars the power plants > > that create that electricity are mostly coal > burning power plants. 52% > > to be exact. 20% is Nuclear and 16% is LPG. The > rest is spread out over > > petroleum, wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, etc. > As it so happens our > > modern internal combustion motors are way more > environmentally friendly > > than even the cleanest coal power plant. So just > kind of remember to put > > that fact into any consideration of eco > friendliness of electric cars. > > OTOH the Tesla is a really nice looking vehicle. I > sure wouldn't mind > > having something that neat. > > > > Ryan B. > > > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:02:45 -0400 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ryan Brenneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: tesla Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Patrick Bedard or Csaba Csere from C&D wrote a really good article coving this a few years back (like 5-10). But then again, when does the stock market or politics have anything to do with reality? Electrics have one thing going for them though... 100% of their torque is available at 0 RMPs... :) -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy" > And that doesn't begin to cover the efficiency of coal to heat to mechanical > to electricity, which is transmitted, then to chemical then back to > electrical and finally to mechanical to make the car go. By the time its > done, we're talking 5 to 10% efficiency. > > Gary Derian > > > > Gruppe > > > > Just remember for all those wonderful electric cars the power plants > > that create that electricity are mostly coal burning power plants. 52% > > to be exact. 20% is Nuclear and 16% is LPG. The rest is spread out over > > petroleum, wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, etc. As it so happens our > > modern internal combustion motors are way more environmentally friendly > > than even the cleanest coal power plant. So just kind of remember to put > > that fact into any consideration of eco friendliness of electric cars.. > > OTOH the Tesla is a really nice looking vehicle. I sure wouldn't mind > > having something that neat. > > > > Ryan B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: E36 M50B25tu down on power Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi folks, Sister's car is back in her hands. I got the top closed and weather-tight and the suspension sorted, but there's an issue that's still bugging me with it. Background: 8/93 build 325iC, M50B25tu (single VANOS) motor, 103k miles. It seemed down on power when it came to me. I hoped that general tune-up type stuff would take care of that, air filter, plugs, etc. The only stuff I did underhood was a new radiator/expansion tank/t-stat, oil change, air filter, plugs, and valve cover gaskets. Still felt weak though, particularly off the line. I couldn't find any vacuum leaks, idle is steady and so on. Fuel economy seemed a bit lower than normal (maybe 1-2 mpg, but tough to tell in just the two weeks/one tank of gas I had it), didn't know if that is symptomatic of something or simply me keeping it booted all the time because it feels slow. The fuel filter was replaced about 25k miles ago. I was thinking perhaps I just didn't remember how slow the car was, owning two quicker cars now. But it just seemed gutless in the mid-range, and I definitely don't recall that being the case a few years ago. So E36 experts (or anyone w/ a WAG), here are the questions: *Are there common causes of a tired-feeling M50? *What are the symptoms of a failing VANOS unit? I did hear a zingy metallic sound at very high rpm, just before redline. No "marbles in a can" VANOS rattle though; engine idles smoothly and pulls smoothly through the rev range, no bogs, just not much of a pull until around 4500 rpm. I will see the car again tomorrow, sans tools; I'm joining the sister for part of her trip out west. Just wondering if there are things I can check for or test easily. I can take along a multimeter and I'll have the (pathetic joke of a) trunk toolkit. Thanks in advance. -tammer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, July 24, 2006 10:02 am, Tammer Farid said: > just not > much of a pull > until around 4500 rpm. Sounds about right, actually. The Vanos "kicks in" at about that RPM. Also, I know it's only been 25K on the fuel filter, but you might consider replacing it as well. Other than that, I don't know how a stock M50 feels :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - stock(ish) 1993 325is #44 JP - not even close :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:10:26 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you drive an E36M and get back into a non-M version, it'll feel absolutely gutless. The longer I owned my 325, the more I revved it. Kinda fun to be able to use most of the rev band. I have to short shift the M constantly and coast a lot... Marc Plante E36 M3/4 (72k) E36 325i ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Vienna, VA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammer Farid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [UUC] E36 M50B25tu down on power > Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:02:18 -0700 (PDT) > > > Hi folks, > > Sister's car is back in her hands. I got the top closed > and weather-tight and the suspension sorted, but there's an > issue that's still bugging me with it. > > Background: 8/93 build 325iC, M50B25tu (single > VANOS) motor, 103k miles. It seemed down on power when it > came to me. > I hoped that general tune-up type stuff would take care of > that, air > filter, plugs, etc. The only stuff I did underhood was a > new > radiator/expansion tank/t-stat, oil change, air filter, > plugs, and > valve cover gaskets. Still felt weak though, particularly > off the > line. I couldn't find any vacuum leaks, idle is steady and > so on. > Fuel economy seemed a bit lower than normal (maybe 1-2 mpg, > but tough > to tell in just the two weeks/one tank of gas I had it), > didn't know if that is > symptomatic of something or simply me keeping it booted all > the time > because it feels slow. The fuel filter was replaced about > 25k miles ago. > > I was thinking perhaps I just didn't remember how slow the > car was, > owning two quicker cars now. But it just seemed gutless in > the > mid-range, and I definitely don't recall that being the > case a few > years ago. So E36 experts (or anyone w/ a WAG), here are > the > questions: > > *Are there common causes of a tired-feeling M50? > *What are the symptoms of a failing VANOS unit? I did hear > a zingy > metallic sound at very high rpm, just before redline. No > "marbles in a can" VANOS rattle though; engine idles > smoothly and > pulls smoothly through the rev range, no bogs, just not > much of a pull > until around 4500 rpm. > > I will see the car again tomorrow, sans tools; I'm joining > the sister > for part of her trip out west. Just wondering if there are > things I > can check for or test easily. I can take along a > multimeter and I'll > have the (pathetic joke of a) trunk toolkit. > > Thanks in advance. > > -tammer > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:31:34 -0700 From: Donna S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Twice I've had an E36 M3 and an E30 non-M at the same time. Both times I sold the E36... The E30 is so much more fun at (closer to) legal speeds. OTOH, even with a 2.7L stroker, I wish my E30 had a "push to pass" button <g>, but Bill says the 2.7L block is too thin for NOS. :) Donna 88 M3, way too much fun for the street 88 327s, so much fun I'm going to paint it On 7/24/06 10:10 AM, "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you drive an E36M and get back into a non-M version, it'll feel absolutely > gutless. The longer I owned my 325, the more I revved it. Kinda fun to be > able to use most of the rev band. I have to short shift the M constantly and > coast a lot... > > Marc Plante > E36 M3/4 (72k) > E36 325i ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > Vienna, VA > > <snip> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:59:15 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jul 24, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Donna S wrote: > Twice I've had an E36 M3 and an E30 non-M at the same time. Both > times I > sold the E36... Here's an idea: stop buying E36 M3 automatics. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:08:42 -0700 From: Donna S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phlbbt! I drive Bill's '97 M3 pretty regularly. It's even worse than the slushboxes, since it's way too easy to go way too fast for the comfort of other drivers and law enforcement. I believe Jim B and Peter G can attest to the latter. :) D On 7/24/06 10:59 AM, "Mark Dadgar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jul 24, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Donna S wrote: >> Twice I've had an E36 M3 and an E30 non-M at the same time. Both >> times I >> sold the E36... > > Here's an idea: stop buying E36 M3 automatics. > > - Mark > ----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:04:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 M50B25tu down on power Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :-D Funny. I know that was aimed at Donna, but to clarify the sluggish E36 in question is a 5-spd. I just talked to the sister, she's noticed it too. I told her to do 40-85ish pulls in 3rd, 4th, and 5th, and report back. Fuel mileage is normal-ish and the car is behaving normally otherwise. -tammer --- Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jul 24, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Donna S wrote: > > Twice I've had an E36 M3 and an E30 non-M at the same > time. Both > > times I > > sold the E36... > > Here's an idea: stop buying E36 M3 automatics. > > - Mark > ----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: > http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:34:47 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: E36 M3 4-Door Windshield Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I recall that there is an issue with how to install an E30 M3 (?) windshield to avoid rusting out the cowl in the future. Are there any important tips to remind the installer of when replacing a winshield on an E36 M3 4-Door? If so, is it so critical that anybody recommends a particular installer in New Hampshire? This car is in extremely good condition, hence the desire to do the best possible job with BMW glass on the windshield. Thanks, Stan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 M3 4-Door Windshield Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, July 24, 2006 10:34 am, Stan Jackson Jr. said: > Are there any important tips > to remind the installer of when replacing a winshield on an E36 M3 4-Door? I don't recall anything specific the 3 times I've replaced mine :-) > This car is in extremely good condition, hence the desire to do the best > possible job with BMW glass on the windshield. IMO, you want PPG-branded glass. A bit more "chip resistant" than BMW glass. Otherwise, exactly the same. Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - ready for 'shield #4 1993 325is #44 JP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:51:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 M3 4-Door Windshield Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stan, Not sure about any particular's on the install. had mine done by a local shop with a good reputation. My replacement is made by Pilkington, a major glass supplier to OE, OEM and aftermarket in Europe. I must say it is optically clearer and free'er from ant noticible distortions than my original glass was and does not appear to be as prone to sand pitting. David in Richmond, VA -----Original Message----- >From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jul 24, 2006 1:34 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [UUC] E36 M3 4-Door Windshield Replacement > >I recall that there is an issue with how to install an E30 M3 (?) windshield >to avoid rusting out the cowl in the future. Are there any important tips >to remind the installer of when replacing a winshield on an E36 M3 4-Door? >If so, is it so critical that anybody recommends a particular installer in >New Hampshire? > >This car is in extremely good condition, hence the desire to do the best >possible job with BMW glass on the windshield. > >Thanks, > >Stan > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
