The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 201 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: In da bay: E34 springs Re: Repost - <M42> Water in Spark Plug Well Re: Repost - <M42> Water in Spark Plug Well Re: Repost - <M42> Water in Spark Plug Well Re: Bilstein vs Koni replacement shocks needed Re: replacement shocks needed Re: replacement shocks needed Re: replacement shocks needed Re: replacement shocks needed Re: replacement shocks needed Re: replacement shocks needed [Fwd: <FS> E21 320i. 67K miles - 160hp] Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection Costa Mesa, CA Re: High Temp Paint???
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:58:59 -0700 From: "JS Nord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]>, "Senior Six Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: In da bay: E34 springs Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just in case y'all need some... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290008817624 Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:36:06 -0700 From: "Curtis Ingraham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Repost - <M42> Water in Spark Plug Well Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dielectric grease is the ideal substance for keeping electrical connectors dry. WD-40 is perfect for that and just about everything else. Curt Ingraham Bob Sutterfield wrote: > On 7/17/06 10:11 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The connections on the coils appear > > to have stayed dry. Sean suggests spraying WD-40 in the spark plug boot to > > drive out moisture. Would the presence of WD-40 possibly cause some of the > > same misfire issues that water would? > > How will WD-40 change the behavior from the dielectric grease that's already > in there (and the topic of an earlier discussion)? It was applied some > months ago with the new wires and plugs, intended to keep moisture out of > the boots. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:09:58 -0700 From: Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Repost - <M42> Water in Spark Plug Well Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Curt Ingraham wrote: > Bob Sutterfield wrote: >> Scott Miller wrote: >>> The connections on the coils appear >>> to have stayed dry. Sean suggests spraying WD-40 in the spark plug boot to >>> drive out moisture. Would the presence of WD-40 possibly cause some of the >>> same misfire issues that water would? >> >> How will WD-40 change the behavior from the dielectric grease that's already >> in there (and the topic of an earlier discussion)? It was applied some >> months ago with the new wires and plugs, intended to keep moisture out of >> the boots. > > Dielectric grease is the ideal substance for keeping electrical > connectors dry. WD-40 is perfect for that and just about everything > else. Since there's dielectric grease inside the connector, there's very little chance of any water in there from the detailing job, and no need for WD-40 to drive it out or keep it out. So it's unlikely water inside the connector is related to the misfire symptom. A spray of WD-40 might even clean out the dielectric grease. I vote for a warm drive or a heat gun to evaporate water from the well. Scott reports he's already done the former and he's just waiting for symptoms to reappear. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:30:51 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Repost - <M42> Water in Spark Plug Well Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I put in the new spark plugs for the smog test a month ago, I didn't put in any new di-electric grease. There seemed to be dissenting opinions on whether this was good or not. It is not specified by BMW, not that BMW knows everything about engines. Anyway, the grease would have been on the electrical contact. I'm not sure this would have changed the behavior much when there was an inch of water surrounding the #4 spark plug. And I can't yet be positive that the water in the spark plug well was the cause of the miss, although it now seems to have gone away (knocking on simulated wood product). Heat gun? Does this mean I have an opportunity to buy another tool? Or could I just have used a hair dryer and told my friends that it was a heat gun? I mean, this is just a minor detail which I don't have to divulge, right? :^) Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:41:04 -0700 >From: Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Repost - <M42> Water in Spark Plug Well >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >On 7/17/06 10:11 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The connections on the coils appear >> to have stayed dry. Sean suggests spraying WD-40 in the spark plug boot to >> drive out moisture. Would the presence of WD-40 possibly cause some of the >> same misfire issues that water would? > >How will WD-40 change the behavior from the dielectric grease that's already >in there (and the topic of an earlier discussion)? It was applied some >months ago with the new wires and plugs, intended to keep moisture out of >the boots. > >> My wife actually had a great >> suggestion, that I could have used a hair dryer to blow hot air at the wet >> stuff. I presume she does not mean HER hair dryer. > >The "guy's" version of a hair dryer is called a heat gun. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:46:34 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Bilstein vs Koni Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Guys, First off let me say I prefer Bilstein's. ;) I have Bilstein Sports on my '97 e36 323i, along with some mildly lowered springs. It rides quite nice - just a tad on the hard side of things. Four shocks cost me $375 (incl shipping)from www.shox.com That was after some serious hageling. On my GF 316Ti, I installed Bilstein's new Touring shocks with the OE springs. The ride could have not been nicer. Firm buy very controled. Its a sporty ride that won't beat you up on bad roads. I think next time I will also go this route. I also bought these from shox.com for $275 shipped. I also like Koni shocks, had them on my 944 Turbo. Only problem is that, they can blow out(on potholes) and they seem to wear out after a year or two. They do have a lifetime rebuild.... but its a pain to rip out shocks and send them back. The Bilstein HD or Sports(only difference is that the Sports work with a lowered ride height) seem to last forever. Really. Had a set on an old GTi of mine for ten years and they still felt great. take care David from Germany ............................... In a message dated 18.07.2006 03:01:11 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 7/17/06, Howard Kohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am going to replace the front shocks on my daily driver, a 1996 328i with > 160K miles. I do about a half dozen or so track days each year. My parts > supplier recommends Koni shocks over Bilstein sports. Is the higher priced > Koni's worth the extra expense? > > Howie > > 06 Mini Cooper (the wife's) > 97 328i (the kids') > 96 328i (mine, all mine) I really think it's what you prefer. I would say that a good portion of people would swear by either or. I dont think you'd go wrong with either. -- Karl #747 KP FS 95 M3 Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:38:58 -0400 From: "Richard Sperry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: replacement shocks needed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It depends on what springs you are going to use. The nice thing about the Koni's is that you can adjust the rebound damping of the shock to more closely match the spring rate you are using. This allows you to sorta match the shock to anything from stock springs to really stiff Ground Control coilover springs. Try that with Bilstein's. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:03:13 -0700 From: Mark Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Richard Sperry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: replacement shocks needed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Its funny that you mention Ground Control. At a club event we had at their shop, Jay (owner of Ground Control) said that Bilstein's monotube design is better, but you can't get Bilstein to build a custom valved shock. Koni, on the other hand offers him the option of custom valving and are a great manufacturer to work with. Sincerely, Mark Gold Sacramento Chapter BMWCCA On Jul 18, 2006, at 4:38 AM, Richard Sperry wrote: > It depends on what springs you are going to use. The nice thing > about the Koni's is that you can adjust the rebound damping of the > shock to more closely match the spring rate you are using. This > allows you to sorta match the shock to anything from stock springs > to really stiff Ground Control coilover springs. Try that with > Bilstein's. > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/ > [email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the > BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: replacement shocks needed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Its funny that you mention Ground Control. Nothing funny about Ground Control. ;-) >At a club event we had at >their shop, Jay (owner of Ground Control) Heard of that guy can't say I like the way his company handles out of town sales very much although I do like some of his products. >said that Bilstein's >monotube design is better, but you can't get Bilstein to build a >custom valved shock. Maybe you paraphrased incorrectly because Bilstein absolutely can custom valve your shocks. Will take about the same time to get them back as it does for a normal Ground Control order. Meaning I hope you can wait for weeks for what you need now. Turner sells custom valved Bilsteins with their stock class race packages so perhaps they have some exclusive deal but I doubt it. >Koni, on the other hand offers him the option >of custom valving and are a great manufacturer to work with. Great to know but I've also heard it takes forever to get these rebuilt when they're toast. The thing about Konis vs Bilsteins is that IMO the Bilsteins will last a long, long time unless there's a problem with them. Konis are relatively short lived unless you get really lucky. My 2 centavos. -Carlos 98 M3 has Konis for now (custom valved for or by tckline) I don't expect them to last beyond 2 years __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:39:19 -0400 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: replacement shocks needed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List One other data point... A few years ago, I ordered Ground Control Caster/Camber Plates for the P-Car, and they showed up in about a week... Not too bad IMHO, but then again, I don't know if things have changed either. HTH -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy" > My bad... this was a few years ago, so it sounds like things have > changed. Disregard my last post. I'm going to go sit in a corner > with a dunce cap on. > > On Jul 18, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Carlos Lopez wrote: > > >> Its funny that you mention Ground Control. > > > > Nothing funny about Ground Control. ;-) > > > >> At a club event we had at > >> their shop, Jay (owner of Ground Control) > > > > Heard of that guy can't say I like the way his company handles out of > > town sales very much although I do like some of his products. > > > >> said that Bilstein's > >> monotube design is better, but you can't get Bilstein to build a > >> custom valved shock. > > > > Maybe you paraphrased incorrectly because Bilstein absolutely can > > custom valve your shocks. Will take about the same time to get them > > back as it does for a normal Ground Control order. Meaning I hope you > > can wait for weeks for what you need now. > > > > Turner sells custom valved Bilsteins with their stock class race > > packages so perhaps they have some exclusive deal but I doubt it. > > > >> Koni, on the other hand offers him the option > >> of custom valving and are a great manufacturer to work with. > > > > Great to know but I've also heard it takes forever to get these > > rebuilt > > when they're toast. The thing about Konis vs Bilsteins is that IMO > > the > > Bilsteins will last a long, long time unless there's a problem with > > them. Konis are relatively short lived unless you get really lucky. > > > > My 2 centavos. > > -Carlos > > 98 M3 has Konis for now (custom valved for or by tckline) I don't > > expect them to last beyond 2 years ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:26:09 -0700 From: Mark Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: replacement shocks needed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My bad... this was a few years ago, so it sounds like things have changed. Disregard my last post. I'm going to go sit in a corner with a dunce cap on. On Jul 18, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Carlos Lopez wrote: >> Its funny that you mention Ground Control. > > Nothing funny about Ground Control. ;-) > >> At a club event we had at >> their shop, Jay (owner of Ground Control) > > Heard of that guy can't say I like the way his company handles out of > town sales very much although I do like some of his products. > >> said that Bilstein's >> monotube design is better, but you can't get Bilstein to build a >> custom valved shock. > > Maybe you paraphrased incorrectly because Bilstein absolutely can > custom valve your shocks. Will take about the same time to get them > back as it does for a normal Ground Control order. Meaning I hope you > can wait for weeks for what you need now. > > Turner sells custom valved Bilsteins with their stock class race > packages so perhaps they have some exclusive deal but I doubt it. > >> Koni, on the other hand offers him the option >> of custom valving and are a great manufacturer to work with. > > Great to know but I've also heard it takes forever to get these > rebuilt > when they're toast. The thing about Konis vs Bilsteins is that IMO > the > Bilsteins will last a long, long time unless there's a problem with > them. Konis are relatively short lived unless you get really lucky. > > My 2 centavos. > -Carlos > 98 M3 has Konis for now (custom valved for or by tckline) I don't > expect them to last beyond 2 years > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/ > [email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the > BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:00:09 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Howard Kohn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: replacement shocks needed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I am going to replace the front shocks on my daily driver, a 1996 328i with > > 160K miles. I do about a half dozen or so track days each year. My parts > > supplier recommends Koni shocks over Bilstein sports. Is the higher priced > > Koni's worth the extra expense? I don't think it matters, buy whatever you can afford. The Bilstein Sports will be stiffer than the lower adjustment ranges of the Konis. The only real advice I have is to replace all four, not just the fronts if you want a car that handles well again. At that mileage you are proabably overdue for most of the rubber in the suspension to be replaced too. Regards -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:07:04 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: replacement shocks needed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In my E34 experience, the yellow Koni sport has more compression damping than the Bilstein, and of course its rebound can be adjusted way up there. Bilsteins work great with stock or only slightly stiffer than stock springs. Konis (yellow) are better for the next level of spring stiffness. Gary Derian >> > I am going to replace the front shocks on my daily driver, a 1996 328i >> > with >> > 160K miles. I do about a half dozen or so track days each year. My >> > parts >> > supplier recommends Koni shocks over Bilstein sports. Is the higher >> > priced >> > Koni's worth the extra expense? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:14:09 -0400 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: uuc Digest <[email protected]> Subject: [Fwd: <FS> E21 320i. 67K miles - 160hp] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can't believe this car isn't sold yet, but here's a second chance for those that thought they'd missed it. Seller's name is Tom, his phone number is 440 247 8418. He does not have email. FYI Brett Anderson KMS -------- Original Message -------- Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:27:06 -0400 A guy stops by my shop last week with a 79 320i. Claims it's got a Korman engine, Korman 5spd and Korman suspension. Woohoo. I'm impressed. So he has a 320i that he's sunk 10x the amount of money in that he has any right to, and it might be a little better than stock. Car looks clean, but I'm busy, so I take his number and tell him I'll let him know if anyone expresses interest in the shop. Well, today Kathy and I are helping out with the organization of a July 4th car show and this guy is an entrant..... So I get to take a closer look at the car, with no phones ringing, etc. Car is a genuine 67K mile, metallic green (sorry, can't recall the real name, but it's a pale green metallic) E21. He claims it's got dyno proof of engine work. It also has gold BBS wheels (period correct) shod with A008s. It has the 320iS Recaro seats, it's a 5spd, and is in virtually perfect condition. Now, I haven't been under the car, but the paint, interior and engine bay are as close to perfect as one could have expected on the dealer lot in 1979, so this might be a great buy for any E21 enthusiasts out there. He's asking $4K for the car. Drop me an email if you might be interested, and I'll put you in touch with the owner. Not my deal, I don't need to be involved, just the messenger. It's in Cleveland, Ohio. Brett Anderson KMS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:15:37 -0400 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> www.bimrs.org Nick Ortwein wrote: > I have a friend that is buying a 740iL in Costa Mesa CA and needs a > mechanic(doesn't necessarily need to be a dealer) that knows his stuff on > these cars. Please email me any info. > > Thank you, > > Nick Ortwein > '88 325is > '06 Audi A4 2.0Tq MT6 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:57:26 -0400 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: High Temp Paint??? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> High temp barbecue paint for brake calipers is a joke, and not the good kind. It has nowhere near the adhesion or salt spray resistance necessary for automotive use. Don't even waste your time thinking about it. I've had gutted E36 strut casings professionally stripped and powder coated and that didn't hold up too well in daily use either. Can't imagine it would have worked better in the more demanding caliper application. The best I've found for calipers is G2 Caliper Paint System, see: <http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/g2/caliper_paint.jsp> This is a two part catalyzed system that is applied with a brush. I guess you could mix it up and shoot it if you have an air brush and know how - I'm out on both counts. You do have to be careful with catalyzed paint: if the ambient temperature is too low it won't set up, but if it's hot it'll thicken before you're finished. My suggestion is to work in an air conditioned environment and with half batches of paint or smaller. Surface prep is one of the keys to successful paint, and frankly I'm not sure that we at home can replicate what the manufacturer is able to do. Ideally you'd want to media blast the calipers then chemically pickle them, quickly dry the parts and paint immediately. Surface rust forms on cleaned cast iron BMW calipers very quickly. And then there's the question of protecting the bore and the threaded holes. Brembo, StopTech and the other high end caliper guys benefit both from industrial coating processes and from aluminum caliper bodies whose protection needs are different. Neil 96 M3 - StopTech fronts, rusty BMW rears ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
