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  FS:  TSW Stealth E36 325 fitment Wheels
  Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
  Re: Helmet
  M42 Spark Plugs
  Re: M42 Spark Plugs
  Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
  Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
  Re: Problem solved
  Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
  Re: M42 Spark Plugs 
  Fw: Re: Problem solved
  Re: Fw: Re: Problem solved
  Re: D4 (E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations)
  Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
  For Sale =?UTF-8?B?4oCTIDE5ODkgTTMgJDEwLDAwMA==?=

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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:29:40 -0400
From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: FS:  TSW Stealth E36 325 fitment Wheels
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hello one more time all,

I don’t have much idea what these wheels are worth, so make me an offer that
sounds good.  If I have to come up with an asking price, I will.  If I have
to list on eBay, I will.  I am limited to dialup, so photos are a PITA for
me.  If I must to sell them, I’ll find a way to do photos.  Please see my
terms at the end.


(6)  TSW Stealth 7-spoke 15x7 wheels.  E36 325 fitment.
    Two are essentially new, 35 offset, with steel bolt-in valves!
    The other four, are not.  Two of these are 30 offset.  Two are 35 offset
and have steel bolt-in valves.  Worn out tires on all four.  I used them
without even knowing the offset did not match.  These four sustained that
damn Hawk brake pad crap.  I do not believe I made any effort to remove the
buildup from these wheels.  On one of them the caked on dust looks very
rusty.  On the other three it is pretty much just black, and is not horrible
looking – but certainly not good.  I am not so confident that this Hawk crap
can be removed without refinishing the wheels.  The finish of these wheels
is not as durable or in as good condition as the M3 wheels I advertised
previously.  No curb marks.  I might have 8 center caps, definitely at least
4.


The terms:
Shipping is additional.  Fed Ex Ground is generally cheapest.
I accept payment from your checking account through PayPal; or you can mail
me a bank check, money order, or personal check.
I don't ship until payment clears.
I can accept a credit card through PayPal – BUT, contact me for details.
No reasonable offers refused.


Thanks for your interest!

Stan Jackson Jr.
NH
I am a longtime BMW CCA member of both the Boston and White Mt. Chapters,
and am a Staff member of the Boston Chapter.  Do an internet search on me
for reference if you wish.



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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:38:37 -0400
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

BMW has a newer trans fluid that comes standard in (I
believe) '04 M3s and newer... it's MTF-LT-2 and does make
the trans feel smother than the previous LT-1.

Of course, my long-time favorite has been Redline D4 ATF for
greatest smoothness.  You can also try a mix of either MTL
or 75W-140NS (make sure it's "NS") and D4 ATF.  The
75W-140NS and D4 mix is what I use in my '98 M3 with E46 M3
gearbox transplant.

- Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [UUC]  E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations

> I've never been really happy with the transmission
> smoothness except on fresh fluid.  I am also not
> comfortable with the long intervals (every inspection II)
> between changes as the car sees a bunch of track time.
> 
> I R'd TFMs and gained the vast knowledge of 1.9 qts for
> the trans and 1.2 for the diff, but no info on the spec of
> the fluids involved.  Are these fluids gleaned from a
> special gland of an endangered species and only available
> at your BMW factory service center, or will a simple
> change to Redline high temp ATF for the trans and 75w90
> for the diff work just fine?


- Rob Levinson
UUC Motorwerks * 908-874-9092 * http://www.uucmotorwerks.com




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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:37:15 -0400
From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Helmet
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Neil,

That was mentioned by someone before -- thanks for repeating.   But
seriously, I don't want any of the stuff I'm selling, and you may not
either, but that does not make it worthless.  The helmet could be a
short-term interim solution for someone for this year.  Or more likely,
something to be used for autocross, or just for general use such as
motorcycling, dirt biking, snowmobiling, etc.  In case you never noticed, a
HUGE percentage of the helmets advertised for dirt bike use (90%??) aren't
even Snell rated at all ... that makes my old helmet a step up in my
opinion.

Size small, BTW.

Stan


> With respect Stan, when you first posted this I wondered why anyone would
> buy a Snell 95 helmet at this point in its life cycle, for however little
> money? For DE use it's got less than 5 months approval life left in it.
It's
> probably worth less than the shipping cost.
>
> (I say this still smarting from the recent $400 replacement cost of my own
> SA95 helmet.)
>
> Neil
> 96 M3



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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:02:30 -0700
From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "E30 Yahoo Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        "UUC Digest" <[email protected]>
Subject: M42 Spark Plugs
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The previous owner of our recently acquired '91 318is (hi Bob) said
that he had changed the spark plugs "recently".  Turns out it was
about 10K miles ago, and I'm preparing for a smog test, so I got the
plugs and went out to change them today.  Turns out I need a 16mm
spark plug socket for these babies. I've got 2 sizes of spark plug
sockets (17mm, 19mm IIRC) but no 16mm.  There is the tool in the trunk
kit, but it seems more like it is for emergency use.  And I like to
torque to spec, which you can't do with the trunk lid tool.

Anyway, just a few questions for the knowledgeable among us:

1.  How ofter does one change the plugs in the M42 engine?

2.  What is the torque spec?

3.  Is antisieze recommended for the threads?  I've used antisieze on
the spark plug threads of all our other current and previous BMWs.
But Pelican Parts' tech article recommends against it.

4.  Is di-electric grease on the wire contacts recommended?  I've
never used it before on my other spark plugs.

5.  Does Sears carry a 16mm spark plug socket?  If not, who does?
(I've got a Sears gift certificate, so that would be ideal.  Not like
I need Snap-On tools for the little work I do at home.)

TIA,

Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA
1990 325i  my fun car
1991 325iA  going away soon
1991 318is  for daughter to drive
1993 525iA  wife loves it




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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:21:19 -0700
From: Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UUC Digest <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: M42 Spark Plugs
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Per the E36 Bentley book:
-Plug change interval is every Inspection-II.
-Torque to 25 Nm (18 ft-lb).
-Anti-seize is recommended on the threads.

I use dielectric grease on electrical contacts as a "can't hurt" measure.

I used a regular 16mm deep socket, no rubber plug insert, and a 6" socket
extension.  Once the old plug was out of the threads, I used a dropped-parts
grabber claw (like http://harborfreight.com item 1826-4VGA) to haul it out
out of the hole.  I used the claw to lower the new plug into the hole, then
set the socket over the top.  I turned it ccw until I could feel the thread
settling into place, then clockwise to tighten.



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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:32:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> ATF has a specific viscosity and it the thinnest oil used on a car.  Its
> pretty much a straight 10W oil.
>
> In my E34M5 I use Mobil 1 ATF with some molybdenum disulfide mixed in.  It
> works great.
>
> Gary Derian

I came across this when I was trying to pick something to replace the
not-so-good-for-1st MTF-LT-2:

http://www.redlineoil.com/pdf/6.pdf

Very interesting on page 2, the lines of the table comparing SAE Gear oil
and SAE Engine oil grades.

I went with the D4ATF over MTL based on the fact that I noticed the
MTF-LT-1 factory fill that came out, as well as the MTF-LT-2 I put in
(labeled SAE 75W-80 API GL-4) was super-duper thin, like 0w-20 Honda oil.


-- 
Kazuto Okayasu
Administrative Computing Services
University of California, Irvine


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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:58:46 -0500
From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My $.02:

I hated the transmission on my 2002 330i 5 Speed until I switched to
Royal Purple at 10K miles, it made an immediate and lasting
difference.  Same story with my M3 and M5.  I tried Redline D4ATF in
the M3 and it was close to the factory fill in terms of ease of
shifting.  I use Redline in the differentials on all of my cars at the
recomendation of Brett Anderson of Koala Motorsports (and BMWCCA tech
advisor).

-- 
Jamie Howton
2006 M Roadster
2000 M5
1995 M3
Hampshire, IL

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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:29:25 -0700
From: Adam Lazur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: John Peacock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Problem solved
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

John Peacock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
> I am trying to find a socket with an allen key large enough for the rear 
> end.  I bought fluid to change it, but cant get the plugs out.  Any idea 
> where to find one???

As others have said, 14mm.

If you want to go cheap and/or don't want to wait for shipping, Autozone
sells a metric hex socket set with a 14mm in it for ~$10. It's too deep
to fit the top plug ... so I ended up hacking the socket apart and using
a wrench.

-- 
Adam Lazur

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:07:41 -0400
From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

on 6/4/06 9:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am curious IF anyone uses Mobil-1s Synthetic ATF???  I think its even more
> viscous at low temps. Any feedback???

I've been using this for years in my E36 M3 track car. Works fine cold or
hot. I change it every two years.

I also use Mobil 1 Synthetic gear oil, 75W-90, in the M3's LSD final drive.
Same two year change interval.

on 6/4/06 9:20 PM, "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In my E34M5 I use Mobil 1 ATF with some molybdenum disulfide mixed in.  It
> works great.

Gary, do you notice any effect on the synchro effectiveness with the MoS2
additive?

Neil
96 M3



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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:44:33 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
Subject: Re: M42 Spark Plugs 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If I may ask a follow-up question or two, does the M42 in the E36 use the
same spark plugs as the M42 in the E30?  And where is the best kind of
place to buy di-electric grease?

Funny that I posted my questions to 2 e-mail groups and am getting the
answer from the car's previous owner.  Could have just sent a private
e-mail.  This would, of course, have deprived everyone else of the
opportunity to make snide comments and critical remarks, so public posting
was definitely the way to go.

Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA

>   Date: Sun Jun 4, 2006 11:19 pm (PDT)
>   From: "Bob Sutterfield" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: M42 Spark Plugs
>
>
>Per the E36 Bentley book:
>-Plug change interval is every Inspection-II.
>-Torque to 25 Nm (18 ft-lb).
>-Anti-seize is recommended on the threads.
>
>I use dielectric grease on electrical contacts as a "can't hurt" measure.
>
>I used a regular 16mm deep socket, no rubber plug insert, and a 6" socket
>extension.  Once the old plug was out of the threads, I used a
dropped-parts
>grabber claw (like http://harborfreight.com item 1826-4VGA) to haul it out
>out of the hole.  I used the claw to lower the new plug into the hole,
then
>set the socket over the top.  I turned it ccw until I could feel the
thread
>settling into place, then clockwise to tighten.



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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:47:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Chet Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Fw: Re: Problem solved
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


"...ended up hacking the socket apart..."

Or like I did.....
Chuck it (said AutoZone tool) up in a lathe and turn down the tool to fit.  :)
Alternately use a hack saw to lop it off and then chuck it up in a drill press 
and use a file to dress the end.

Worked great to modify the cheap-o AutoZone sockets since they are not high 
carbon tool steel or anything.  I don't think it would be so easy with hardened 
high grade tools, but hey I had plenty of torque available with the massive 
allen socket, even in cheap steel.

Yet another DIY is to take a couple nuts and bolt with 14mm size head and turn 
the female hex plug into a hex head you can put a wrench or socket on.  Some 
loc-tite and a 'jam nut' on the bolt should suffice....or if you have access to 
a welder?

Cheers,
Chet Dawes



>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Adam Lazur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>If you want to go cheap and/or don't want to wait for shipping, Autozone
>>sells a metric hex socket set with a 14mm in it for ~$10. It's too deep
>>to fit the top plug ... so I ended up hacking the socket apart and using
>>a wrench.
>>


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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Problem solved
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I just used the latter method (double-nutted bolt) on an
E34 diff two days ago; tightening the plug is easier than
loosening it with this method, unless you have access to
the aforementioned welder.  It works either way, though had
the plugs been over-tightened it would have been trickier.

-tammer

--- Chet Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> "...ended up hacking the socket apart..."
> 
> Or like I did.....
> Chuck it (said AutoZone tool) up in a lathe and turn down
> the tool to fit.  :)
> Alternately use a hack saw to lop it off and then chuck
> it up in a drill press and use a file to dress the end.
> 
> Worked great to modify the cheap-o AutoZone sockets since
> they are not high carbon tool steel or anything.  I don't
> think it would be so easy with hardened high grade tools,
> but hey I had plenty of torque available with the massive
> allen socket, even in cheap steel.
> 
> Yet another DIY is to take a couple nuts and bolt with
> 14mm size head and turn the female hex plug into a hex
> head you can put a wrench or socket on.  Some loc-tite
> and a 'jam nut' on the bolt should suffice....or if you
> have access to a welder?
> 
> Cheers,
> Chet Dawes
> 
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Adam Lazur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>If you want to go cheap and/or don't want to wait for
> shipping, Autozone
> >>sells a metric hex socket set with a 14mm in it for
> ~$10. It's too deep
> >>to fit the top plug ... so I ended up hacking the
> socket apart and using
> >>a wrench.
> >>
> 
> Search the
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:50:18 -0700
From: Herman Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: D4 (E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Gary wrote:

> In my E34M5 I use Mobil 1 ATF with some molybdenum disulfide mixed  
> in.  It
> works great.

I concur.

In the past, I've happily used Red Line MTL and D4.  However, my last  
experience with D4 was different.  The gearbox was palpably more  
notchy/sticky, harder to get out of gear when cold, and developed a  
slight hitch between gates.

Whether this was due to a change in formula or an aging gearbox not  
liking D4 as much as it used to, I don't know.  Maybe a combination  
of both.

I do know that after I switched to M1 ATF with a shot of LM moly gear  
additive, the problems went away.

As Gary has said, correlation...blah blah blah.

FWIW,
Herman

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:57:40 -0700
From: Peter B Du Bois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Gary Derian Wrote:
>ATF has a specific viscosity and it the thinnest oil used on a car.  Its
>pretty much a straight 10W oil.

>In my E34M5 I use Mobil 1 ATF with some molybdenum disulfide mixed in.  It

>works great.

>Gary Derian

Gary,

Not that I mean to indulge in either Clintonian, or for that matter,
Bushonian parsing of common definitions, but what exactly do you mean by
"works great"?
Less noise from the gearbox?  Reduced fuel consumption? Something else?

Peter


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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:58:43 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: For Sale =?UTF-8?B?4oCTIDE5ODkgTTMgJDEwLDAwMA==?=
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>





Selling my diamond black 1989 M3.  Interior is black leather in good
condition (no rips or holes).  102k verified miles.  Have owned for 8
years.  Very little use (Minnesota summers only).  Many new and replaced
parts, including the following: valve-job with all new valves,
throttle-body gaskets, differential, exhaust, brakes and rotors, radiator,
dechipped the hood and leading edges of the fenders.  All stock.  Smooth
idle and runs strong.  Originally purchased with the intention of
converting to track but other things got in the way.  Car is very straight
and clean.  Have pics, can email.  Has clean MN title but Carfax does
indicate salvage history, therefore the low price.  However VIN number
stickers are on all major structural components.  Please no tire-kickers or
time wasters – serious buyers only!.  Please email your questions or for
pics.  Thanks!
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