The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 217 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Re: E46M3 radiator life? Re: E46M3 radiator life? E46 lip spoiler on E36 Re: E46 lip spoiler on E36 Re: E46 lip spoiler on E36 Re: E46 lip spoiler on E36 Re: E46 lip spoiler on E36 Re: E46 lip spoiler on E36 link for OBDI manifold on an OBDII
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Quick update, I spoke with the guys at Bimmerworld (where I purchased all the parts) and they stated that the HPS is a known tight fit with new rotors on the E36 M3. In their experience after full break-in the pads will no longer be as tight and during break-in a lot of heat will be generated. I am a little skeptical of this since too much heat is never a good thing and I have never had a set of pads install this tight with new rotors on any BMW application, Hawks included. I am going to re-install everything and see what happens, hopefully it all works out after a few more miles. For the record, the E36 M3, E46 328 and E46 330 all use different pads up front. E36 M3 uses an HB 135, E46 328 uses a HB 136 and the E46 330 a HB 464 (Hawk has a great website www.hawkperformance.com) Matt Weimer Southern IN If you smell something it is just my brakes on fire ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:19:28 -0400 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36 M3> Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RealOEM.com lists the E36 M3 rotor as being 28mm thick and the E46 328i at 22mm. If they do use the same caliper dimension and pad shape, and I have no idea about that, the reduced E46 rotor thickness would seemingly allow 2mm more friction material depth on each pad. If so this would certainly explain Matt's problem. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:14:48 -0400 From: "Ben Keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matt Weimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you can sand the pads down a bit as well. had to do that on a set of rears for the STi when there weren't a lot of STi-specific pads available. strangely enough the pads which fit were E21 fronts & needed to be thinned out a bit. used a block of wood & some sand paper & some time & things worked out fine. Ben Matt wrote: > Quick update, I spoke with the guys at Bimmerworld > (where I purchased all the parts) and they stated that > the HPS is a known tight fit with new rotors on the > E36 M3. In their experience after full break-in the > pads will no longer be as tight and during break-in a > lot of heat will be generated. I am a little > skeptical of this since too much heat is never a good > thing and I have never had a set of pads install this > tight with new rotors on any BMW application, Hawks > included. > > I am going to re-install everything and see what > happens, hopefully it all works out after a few more > miles. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:48:56 -0700 From: Brian Ghidinelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: uucdigest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ben Keyes wrote: > you can sand the pads down a bit as well. had to do that on a set > of rears for the STi when there weren't a lot of STi-specific pads > available. strangely enough the pads which fit were E21 fronts & > needed to be thinned out a bit. used a block of wood & some sand > paper & some time & things worked out fine. We needed to get a set of Pagids to fit an STi at 3am for the 25 hours of Thunderhill last year. Some crazy guy claiming he hadn't slept in two days with a truck-mounted mill did it. Without any guides... he just held the pads in his hand and moved them under the mill bit. Scary, but $100 well spent. :) Brian -- Brian Ghidinelli > http://www.MotorsportReg.com MotorsportReg.com processes online registration and payment for your track, autocross and social events ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:50:55 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Aug 1, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Brian Ghidinelli wrote: >> you can sand the pads down a bit as well. had to do that on a set >> of rears for the STi when there weren't a lot of STi-specific pads >> available. strangely enough the pads which fit were E21 fronts & >> needed to be thinned out a bit. used a block of wood & some sand >> paper & some time & things worked out fine. > > We needed to get a set of Pagids to fit an STi at 3am for the 25 > hours of Thunderhill last year. Some crazy guy claiming he hadn't > slept in two days with a truck-mounted mill did it. Without any > guides... he just held the pads in his hand and moved them under > the mill bit. Scary, but $100 well spent. :) Did you take advantage of his portable dance floor, complete with disco ball, while you were waiting? The paddock of the 25 Hours Of Thunderhill is an odd place. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:53:38 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1) Contact Hawk directly. It is not impossible for a pad manufacturer to make a mistake. 2) E36 M3 and E46 330 can interchange front pads. The slight difference is the spring clip that can be bent to accomodate either fitment. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:18:39 -0700 (PDT) > Quick update, I spoke with the guys at Bimmerworld > (where I purchased all the parts) and they stated that > the HPS is a known tight fit with new rotors on the > E36 M3. > > For the record, the E36 M3, E46 328 and E46 330 all > use different pads up front. E36 M3 uses an HB 135, > E46 328 uses a HB 136 and the E46 330 a HB 464 (Hawk > has a great website www.hawkperformance.com) > > Matt Weimer > Southern IN > If you smell something it is just my brakes on fire > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36 M3> Update: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2) E36 M3 and E46 330 can interchange front pads. The > slight difference is the spring clip that can be bent to > accomodate either fitment. > > - Rob > Carbotech actually sells one pad for E36 and E46M3s as well as the 330. I'm not sure if this is currently the case, but it was when I bought a set of Bobcats a couple of years ago. -- Kazuto Okayasu Administrative Computing Services University of California, Irvine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:25:08 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E46M3 radiator life? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Miller lumps the E46 radiators in with the E36 radiators in his tech column in Roundel. Wasn't his recommendation to replace them at 80K miles? Or maybe that was the plastic impeller water pumps. Something like that. Maybe he'll chime in here, it wasn't that long ago that he used to pop in on us now and then. A few of us had a related discussion along these lines at lunch today. Our chapter's former tech sessions coordinator asked one of the dealers to hold a tech session where the dealer's service department would share with interested members the typical life expectancy of parts that had failed. The idea would be that the club could develop some "rules of thumb" about a preventative maintenance program for the parts that commonly fail. Better to preventatively replace than to be stranded in the middle of nowhere while enjoying your Ultimate Driving Machine. Anyway, said dealer declined to hold such a tech session. Apparently they don't want to admit that their parts fail. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:13:22 -0700 (GMT-07:00) >From: Kirk Lachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: BMW UUC Digest <[email protected]> >Subject: E46M3 radiator life? >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Anyone know when the radiators on E46M3s start dying or has BMW fixed the weak neck issue that the older cars suffered from? > >Thx. > >Kirk Lachman >Sin City Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E46M3 radiator life? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, August 1, 2006 2:25 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Anyway, said dealer > declined > to hold such a tech session. Apparently they don't want to admit that > their parts fail. Or, maybe there's no such thing as "typical life expectancy". I know of some E36 radiators that failed at 50,000 miles or less. Then again, I had one in the M3 last 100,000 miles and was replaced as a precaution. Classic "YMMV" :-) All you can do is be aware of the potential failure, and hopefully make it to a reasonable-for-you replacement point. My 2 cents, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - at 171K miles, replaced nearly all the "typical" E36 stuff multiple times 1993 325is #44 JP - a lot less "stock" stuff, but enough to keep me busy at times :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:47:24 -1000 From: Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: E46 lip spoiler on E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hey guys, i have an opportunity to buy a E46 M3 lip spoiler, but i was wondering if it would fit right on an E36 M3/2... how's the countour of the 2 trunks compare??? will it match pretty closely or will it look "off?" any advice/opinions appreciated...thanx in advance... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:45:53 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E46 lip spoiler on E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It fits. Looking "off" is a matter of taste, as it's little bigger than a drip rail. Just my personal opinion, but E36 spoilers are, not surprisingly, what looks good on an E36. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [UUC] E46 lip spoiler on E36 > hey guys, i have an opportunity to buy a E46 M3 lip spoiler, but i was > wondering if it would fit right on an E36 M3/2... > > how's the countour of the 2 trunks compare??? will it match pretty > closely or will it look "off?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E46 lip spoiler on E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Funny, I know this is clearly a matter of personal taste, but I've never been a fan of E36 spoilers (or most spoilers for that matter). They tend to look too big IMO. I generally prefer lip spoilers; however, I have never seen one on an E36. -Paul 95 M3 (no spoiler) 03 G35 (no spoiler) 98 Panoz (no spoiler) --- Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It fits. > > Looking "off" is a matter of taste, as it's little > bigger than a drip rail. > Just my personal opinion, but E36 spoilers are, not > surprisingly, what looks > good on an E36. > > - Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [UUC] E46 lip spoiler on E36 > > > > hey guys, i have an opportunity to buy a E46 M3 > lip spoiler, but i was > > wondering if it would fit right on an E36 M3/2... > > > > how's the countour of the 2 trunks compare??? > will it match pretty > > closely or will it look "off?" > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E46 lip spoiler on E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Did the non-LTW E36 spoiler do anything? I know BMW claims the E46 lip spoiler is functional. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:35:03 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E46 lip spoiler on E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Any spoiler generates down force at a minimum equivalent to its own weight. ;-) - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Yew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Did the non-LTW E36 spoiler do anything? I know BMW claims the E46 lip > spoiler is functional. > > --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:34:10 -0400 From: "Dean Boucouras" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E46 lip spoiler on E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rob said: > Any spoiler generates down force at a minimum equivalent to its own > weight. > ;-) > > - Rob > Assuming that the spoiler is not so poorly designed that it affects airflow in the wrong way (acts as a wing generating lift in a manner to cause the car to want to fly). Dean Tongue in cheek kidding ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:58:56 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: link for OBDI manifold on an OBDII Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Looking for the link to a website that shows converting an E36 OBDI intake manifold to an OBDII. tia, Barry ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
