The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 249 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: When to say when...TCO on cars Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Re: <Misc>When to say when...TCO on cars Re: <Misc>When to say when...TCO on cars Re: <Misc>When to say when...TCO on cars Re: <Misc>When to say when...TCO on cars M1 transmission Re: M1 transmission Re: M1 transmission M1 transmission Re: M1 transmission Re: M1 transmission Re: smoked knock-offs was: WTB E34 Headlights Re: E36 Brake Question - Follow Up and Conclusion
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My seat of the pants estimate says 3-4 years old and dump them when they are 6-8. Car dependent of course. However, I NEVER do those calculations (depreciation, cost of ownership, gas, tires, etc.) as it would confirm what I already know. I spend too much on my old car. But it is SO worth it. Kevin '91 M5 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:30:14 -0400 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So how many people have all their receipts in a folder with marked with a Big Black Letters *DO NOT ADD UP RECEIPTS* **EVER!!** Happy Friday (I have 2 such files... :) -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy" > My seat of the pants estimate says 3-4 years old and > dump them when they are 6-8. Car dependent of course. > > However, I NEVER do those calculations (depreciation, > cost of ownership, gas, tires, etc.) as it would > confirm what I already know. I spend too much on my > old car. But it is SO worth it. > > Kevin > '91 M5 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:39:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nah, I'm a glutton for punishment. I keep a running spreadsheet with total TCO less insurance and fuel. Please don't ask how much my 1987 535is has cost me over the past 4 years/50k miles. It's still under $15k but far too much for a 257k-mile car ... the M5, on the other hand, has needed very little in the one year/8k miles I've owned it. Downright reliable if treated properly. Then again, it's far cheaper and has been far more enjoyable than a new Jetta or Civic would have cost at the time of purchase. And it's still worth what I paid for it. The bad part is the ancilliary stuff, like the basement full of tires and wheels and random parts from junkyard cars that I keep meaning to Ebay, but just may need someday, and random "good-deal-better-snap-it-up" engine parts ... oh dear. -tammer <--buys cars at the bottom of the depreciation curve '87 535is '88 M5 '85 Driveway Sculpture (A2 GTI) --- Jason Kay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So how many people have all their receipts in a folder > with marked with a Big Black Letters > > > *DO NOT ADD UP RECEIPTS* > > **EVER!!** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:42:11 -0400 From: Vic Maslanka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: <Misc>When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you're interested in minimizing life cycle costs, buy the car after the big depreciation hit (3-4 years typically). Depreciation in each subsequent year should decrease, but maintenance will typically increase (not really each year, just over time). One theory is to sell after the combination of depreciation and maintenance bottoms out. In other words, when the car starts getting more expensive to keep due to increased maintenance costs, sell it. The second theory says its almost always cheaper to fix a car than buy a new / used one. Replacing an engine in an E3 costs less than a new E90. So then the reason to replace a car isn't based on cost, but rather on safety and reliability. But why are we discussing this on a BMW list? We're sounding like a bunch of Japanese appliance owners. Vic - usually buys new cars, addicted to new car aroma ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:20:04 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vic Maslanka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Marc Plante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: <Misc>When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting timing in that soon as the warranty or payments are over the more expensive repairs begin. Barry /97 //M3, 127k miles, time for new front stuff again. Vic Maslanka wrote: > If you're interested in minimizing life cycle costs, buy the car after > the big depreciation hit (3-4 years typically). Depreciation in each > subsequent year should decrease, but maintenance will typically > increase (not really each year, just over time). > > One theory is to sell after the combination of depreciation and > maintenance bottoms out. In other words, when the car starts getting > more expensive to keep due to increased maintenance costs, sell it. > > The second theory says its almost always cheaper to fix a car than buy > a new / used one. Replacing an engine in an E3 costs less than a new > E90. So then the reason to replace a car isn't based on cost, but > rather on safety and reliability. > > But why are we discussing this on a BMW list? We're sounding like a > bunch of Japanese appliance owners. > > Vic - usually buys new cars, addicted to new car aroma > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:37:14 -0400 From: "Chet Dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <Misc>When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> With all the fancy calculations (Do we have an actuary on the list?) don't forget to include sales taxes and depending on state the cost of registration. Fuel economy often is worse with age and one can't forget that insurance rates often vary with a car's age too. So if you want real 'cost of ownership' don't' forget to factor all those in too. I just go with my gut instincts I guess and factor in my grin factor! :) Cheers, Chet Dawes -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:20 PM To: Vic Maslanka Cc: Marc Plante; [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <Misc>When to say when...TCO on cars Interesting timing in that soon as the warranty or payments are over the more expensive repairs begin. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:05:43 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <Misc>When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A lot depends on your handiness and willingness to do your own work. If you take a car to a shop for everything, it is cheaper to have a newer car. If you would rather drop a transmission than play golf, then go for the older cars. The last 2 E30s I've bought had 200k miles. The last E34 I bought had 300k miles. My newest car is now 12 model years old. Gary Derian > > I've been scanning the web on "Cost of Ownership" for cars, and it seems > that depreciation is the key driver (Though I realizs that there are > property taxes, insurance, etc). So, for those that may have looked into > the numbers that trade more often. Is there a sweet spot in cars' life > expectancies to buy and sell. Say buying a car in the third year of its > life to maximise the new car depreciation hit, then selling before 100k to > get rid of it before it's value tanks? > > Are there typical milestones? 100k? car style changes? Just wondering > what factors to consider (Maybe I'm starting to build an internal case to > buy a 200? 535i sedan...perhaps I'd settle for an '05 530i...after > deciding I'd never sell my E36). > > Anyone (more frequent auto sellers? dealers? Phil?) have some insights in > this area? > > Marc Plante > 1997 E36 M3/4 73k > Vienna, VA > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:18:28 -0500 From: "Tom Dotzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: M1 transmission Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What kind of tranmission/transaxle setup is used in the M1? Where can I see some diagrams? Anybody know.? Since I retired and now have a nice shop at home I've re-aggrivated my itch to build some BMW powered thing with the motor in the back seat. Don't have a ton of money but have plenty of equipment, lots of BMWs and Engines laying around. Thought I might do this using an early Lotus Esprit, say maybe from '77' when they had a reasonably large (580) production run. But then there's always my 97 ti. Tom Dotzler 89 M3 97 318ti supercharged Couple e28s 7 dead bavarians of various e series ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:16:28 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tom Dotzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M1 transmission Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=5991&mospid=47207&btnr=23_0894&hg=23&fg=05 Gary Derian > What kind of tranmission/transaxle setup is used in the M1? Where can > I see some diagrams? Anybody know.? Since I retired and now have a > nice shop at home I've re-aggrivated my itch to build some BMW powered > thing with the motor in the back seat. Don't have a ton of money but > have plenty of equipment, lots of BMWs and Engines laying around. > Thought I might do this using an early Lotus Esprit, say maybe from > '77' when they had a reasonably large (580) production run. But then > there's always my 97 ti. > Tom Dotzler > 89 M3 > 97 318ti supercharged > Couple e28s > 7 dead bavarians of various e series > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:22:41 -0400 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M1 transmission Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It actually has a list price of $15,740 and a $200 core charge.... To answer the original question, it's a ZF DS-25 transaxle. These guys are the distributor for them, http://www.rbttrans.com/index.html, and they even have a 6spd version available. Brett Anderson KMS Gary Derian wrote: > http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=5991&mospid=47207&btnr=23_0894&hg=23&fg=05 > > > Gary Derian > > > >> What kind of tranmission/transaxle setup is used in the M1? Where can >> I see some diagrams? Anybody know.? Since I retired and now have a >> nice shop at home I've re-aggrivated my itch to build some BMW powered >> thing with the motor in the back seat. Don't have a ton of money but >> have plenty of equipment, lots of BMWs and Engines laying around. >> Thought I might do this using an early Lotus Esprit, say maybe from >> '77' when they had a reasonably large (580) production run. But then >> there's always my 97 ti. >> Tom Dotzler ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:55:06 -0500 From: "Tom Dotzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: M1 transmission Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill,Brett, and Gary, thanks for the reply. Ok. 17 grand is outta my league! Probably all the race transaxles are gonna be costly. Back to looking at the stuff lotus used, (Renault & Citroen). Might find someone to fab a bell housing adaptor. Now for more study and window shopping. Thanks for the links, info and your valuable time. Tom. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:22:34 -0400 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tom Dotzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M1 transmission Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tom, A friend of mine, who likes 'weird' cars has a Delorian... He was looking for a way to replace the Volvo-Renault-(and whatever other company was in the trio then) ZF tranny with something else... initally he was looking for a Porsche Tiptronic, but ended up getting a great deal on a (slightly) used manual tranny out of a Boxster that someone wrapped around a hard cylindrical unmoving object (Tree or light post)... only minor fab work was needed to fit everything into the chassis... Hope this helps... and I'm interested to see what you come up with for your mid-engine toy :) Keep us posted! -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy" > Bill,Brett, and Gary, thanks for the reply. Ok. 17 grand is outta my > league! Probably all the race transaxles are gonna be costly. Back to > looking at the stuff lotus used, (Renault & Citroen). Might find someone to > fab a bell housing adaptor. Now for more study and window shopping. > Thanks for the links, info and your valuable time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:35:42 -0500 From: "John Bunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M1 transmission Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would think a Boxster transaxle would be quite a bit cheaper and easier to find than something from Lotus, Renault, or Citroen! At least in the US... > Bill,Brett, and Gary, thanks for the reply. Ok. 17 grand is outta my > league! Probably all the race transaxles are gonna be costly. Back to > looking at the stuff lotus used, (Renault & Citroen). Might find > someone to fab a bell housing adaptor. Now for more study and window > shopping. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:57:48 -0400 From: "Mel Abrahams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: smoked knock-offs was: WTB E34 Headlights Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Check: www.abrahamsmotorsport.com For Hella Smoked Euro Ellipsoids. >>I have the black hella lights and they are not "knock-offs". They cost >nearly $600 from Turner Motorsports and are made by the same company >that made the OE lights, Hella. Internal parts are the same as the >clear Euro OE ellipsoids and are far superior in design to aftermarket >lights > >Ed _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 01:06:46 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 Brake Question - Follow Up and Conclusion Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> E36 rotors are pretty cheap. In IMHO, it is a waste of time, effort, and potentially money to turn used rotors that can be bought for less than $50 apeice new. Stan > Also, don't throw the old rotors away if they have > lower mileage, get them turned by a competent shop and > store them in the boxes from your new rotors (laying > flat) for the future. ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
