The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 250 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: M1 transmission plastic water pump impellers again? Re: plastic water pump impellers again? Re: plastic water pump impellers again? Re: plastic water pump impellers again? Re: plastic water pump impellers again? E39 Steering Column Thingy Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Support your troops Consumer Reports's Supercar test
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:39:04 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]>, "Tom Dotzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M1 transmission Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peugeot was the third. Porsche transaxles are pretty standard for mid engine kit cars. They can be flipped upside down I believe. North-South engined Audis are another source. For $17K one can buy several very nice pure race transaxles. Gary Derian > Tom, > > A friend of mine, who likes 'weird' cars has a Delorian... > He was looking for a way to replace the Volvo-Renault-(and whatever other > company was in the trio then) ZF tranny with something else... initally he > was looking for a Porsche Tiptronic, but ended up getting a great deal on > a (slightly) used manual tranny out of a Boxster that someone wrapped > around a hard cylindrical unmoving object (Tree or light post)... only > minor fab work was needed to fit everything into the chassis... > > Hope this helps... and I'm interested to see what you come up with for > your mid-engine toy :) > > Keep us posted! > > -Jason > '86 951 "Sparky" > '70 240Z "Dusty" > '97 Contour "Bambi" > '03 325xi "Daisy" > > > >> Bill,Brett, and Gary, thanks for the reply. Ok. 17 grand is outta my >> league! Probably all the race transaxles are gonna be costly. Back to >> looking at the stuff lotus used, (Renault & Citroen). Might find someone >> to fab a bell housing adaptor. Now for more study and window shopping. > >> Thanks for the links, info and your valuable time. > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:05:27 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: plastic water pump impellers again? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Went to find a new water pump for 'Jack again and found two brands, Cardone at Kragen and a BMW OEM at Dinan, both with plastic impellers again. The OEM one was new stock with a 2006 casting. the Cardone loked identical to the OEM Are these different than the original plastic impeller style or same stuff as before that should be avoided? tia, Barry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: plastic water pump impellers again? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Fri, September 1, 2006 2:05 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Went to find a new water pump for 'Jack again and found two brands, > Cardone at Kragen and a BMW OEM at Dinan, both with plastic impellers > again. The OEM one was new stock with a 2006 casting. the Cardone > loked identical to the OEM Are these different than the original > plastic impeller style or same stuff as before that should be avoided? AIUI, they are composite impellers, not plastic. Debateable whether or not they are better than the briefly-available metal impeller ones, but I wouldn't hestitate using it. Heck, I probably have composite impeller ones in both cars right now :-) Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:22:49 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: plastic water pump impellers again? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:05 PM 9/1/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ones with BMW part #s on them seem to be plastic composite impellers lately. I've seen both metal and composite impellers come out of several 00-02 M52TU and M54s. I bought a metal impeller Graf to go in my 01, but I haven't swapped it yet so I don't know what was installed at the factory. There is the option of getting the fancy Stewart one, but at the cost of 3-4 OE ones, I didn't feel it was worth it. >Went to find a new water pump for 'Jack again and found two brands, >Cardone at Kragen and a BMW OEM at Dinan, both with plastic >impellers again. The OEM one was new stock with a 2006 >casting. the Cardone loked identical to the OEM Are these >different than the original plastic impeller style or same stuff as >before that should be avoided? >tia, >Barry >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:13:48 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: plastic water pump impellers again? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thx for all the quick feedback on impellers. I found the composite impeller water pump at Kragen looks identical to the OEM pump minus the casting number on the housing. It comes with a lifetime warranty, for about the same as Pelican's price, so that's what's going in tonight in time for the weekend's trip. For coolant, I chickened out on economizing and bought a gallon of BMW brand for $20. at the local sdealer. Doesn't make sense not to. Barry Kazuto Okayasu wrote: > At 02:05 PM 9/1/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The ones with BMW part #s on them seem to be plastic composite > impellers lately. I've seen both metal and composite impellers come > out of several 00-02 M52TU and M54s. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:14:05 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: plastic water pump impellers again? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DaimlerChrysler G05 spec coolant is a good substitute for the BMW coolant and is available at most parts stores. Gary Derian > For coolant, I chickened out on economizing and bought a gallon of BMW > brand for $20. at the local sdealer. Doesn't make sense not to. > Barry > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:35:54 -0500 From: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: E39 Steering Column Thingy Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Awhile back I had a Christmas light show of dashboard lights on my 2000 528i. Brett Anderson correctly diagnosed the problem as a failing ignition switch. While I was R/R the part, I had to remove what appeared to be a rubber coated weight of some kind. What is that for? Provide a bit o' roadfeel back through the steering wheel? If so, isn't that kinda cheating? Robert '90 535i '00 528i ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 22:19:34 -0400 From: "Dave Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "'Jason Kay'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I bought an 1988 Henna e30 M3 from a friend of mine for $6000, drove it as a daily driver for four years and put 60,000 miles on it. Then I sold it for $10,000 in three days to someone who restored it to pristine condition. That's the partial story I tell people. The whole story comes out when I added up the receipts (never will do that again) that I spent just maintaining the car. Over the course of the four years, the car left me stranded five or six times, each time requiring towing to someplace. Total cost was over $16,000 spent, including the engine rebuild after spinning #4 rod bearing. So in the end, the car really cost me $6,000 to drive for four years, not really that bad when you compare it to other things but not that reliable. I drive an e36 M3 now! Dave A 95 ///M3 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Kay Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] When to say when...TCO on cars So how many people have all their receipts in a folder with marked with a Big Black Letters *DO NOT ADD UP RECEIPTS* **EVER!!** Happy Friday (I have 2 such files... :) -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy" > My seat of the pants estimate says 3-4 years old and dump them when > they are 6-8. Car dependent of course. > > However, I NEVER do those calculations (depreciation, cost of > ownership, gas, tires, etc.) as it would confirm what I already know. > I spend too much on my old car. But it is SO worth it. > > Kevin > '91 M5 Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:38:34 -0400 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You're right Dave, $6000 for 4 years of E30 M3 is not too bad. But by your math, it actually cost you $12,000 for 4 years. Much of that expense could have been avoided if your trusted mechanic had recommended the obligatory rod bearing change early on in your ownership. FYI, even at $12K, you got a deal. Brett Anderson KMS Dave Arnold wrote: > > I bought an 1988 Henna e30 M3 from a friend of mine for $6000, drove it as a > daily driver for four years and put 60,000 miles on it. Then I sold it for > $10,000 in three days to someone who restored it to pristine condition. > That's the partial story I tell people. > > The whole story comes out when I added up the receipts (never will do that > again) that I spent just maintaining the car. Over the course of the four > years, the car left me stranded five or six times, each time requiring > towing to someplace. Total cost was over $16,000 spent, including the > engine rebuild after spinning #4 rod bearing. So in the end, the car really > cost me $6,000 to drive for four years, not really that bad when you compare > it to other things but not that reliable. I drive an e36 M3 now! > > Dave A > 95 ///M3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:56:05 -0400 From: Mark Alan Selleck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have to chime in here. My current daily driver and primary family car (Actually, my wife drives it to work more than I do, because my business is 100 ft. from my home.) is a '85 535i 5speed. It's about to hit 285K. I purchased it with 145K on it for $4500. It had been maintained since new by the same factory-trained BMW mechanic, first at the dealership where it was purchased, then by the mechanic in his independent shop, after he purchased it from the original owners before they traded it in on a new car. It was the mechanic's wife's car, until she decided she was tired of the manual. I've had the car for 12+ years, and the only "major" work I've had to do is replace the driveshaft and radiator. The AC was changed over to 134, and I replaced the heater blower. OK, the AC isn't great, and the AC blower bearings make a little noise from time to time, and the rear sub-frame bushings could stand to be replaced, but for the years and miles I can't think of a much better car. On the other hand, my '87 535is 5spd has had issues. My son calls it his, and he's driven it the most over the 6 years we've had it: blown head gasket, son tried to get home(!!!!&*$*), fried engine. Drive shaft, electrical gremlins ad infinitem, water leaks.....A lot having to do with the fact that the original owner didn't take care of the car. It now has a donor engine from a car that was wrecked with 125K on it, and runs like a scalded cat....but still has the electrical problems. Still, after 6 years, can't really complain. It's approaching 275K, and is cheap, dependable transportation. Just don't expect the interior lights to work at night. Mark Selleck Dave Arnold wrote: > >I bought an 1988 Henna e30 M3 from a friend of mine for $6000, drove it as a >daily driver for four years and put 60,000 miles on it. Then I sold it for >$10,000 in three days to someone who restored it to pristine condition. >That's the partial story I tell people. > >The whole story comes out when I added up the receipts (never will do that >again) that I spent just maintaining the car. Over the course of the four >years, the car left me stranded five or six times, each time requiring >towing to someplace. Total cost was over $16,000 spent, including the >engine rebuild after spinning #4 rod bearing. So in the end, the car really >cost me $6,000 to drive for four years, not really that bad when you compare >it to other things but not that reliable. I drive an e36 M3 now! > >Dave A >95 ///M3 > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 09:38:56 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -----Original Message----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Alan Selleck > > I have to chime in here. My current daily driver and primary family car > (Actually, my wife drives it to work more than I do, because my business > is 100 ft. from my home.) is a '85 535i 5speed. It's about to hit > 285K. I purchased it with 145K on it for $4500 Mark, I did basically the same thing. Bought a 87 535i automatic for $4500 with 130,000aprx miles. Put another 120,000 miles on it and then gave the car to my father. During my ownership, I replaced the suspension and bushing, cpu due to the crack issue and water pump. My father used it as a rural mail vehicle putting aprx 150 miles a day on it with aprx 200 stops. Rough life for a car. At 340,000 the headgasket started leaking in the middle of his route. He tighten the headbolts down another 90 degrees and fixed the problem. I laughed and told him it would be a very temporary fix. He never bothered fixing the head gasket as it ran perfect until a driver hit her head on driving down a 1 way street the wrong way. That happened aprx 400,000 miles. I miss that car and wish I had realized how special it was. I would have never let her leave my hands. 400,000 miles on the original automatic transmission, a very hard life btw. All of the interior stuff still worked and AC system. Sadly that car lulled me into BMW's thinking they were super reliable, 10 cars later I am learning my lesson in that they are durable, not so reliable. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:42:48 -0400 From: "Chet Dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I bought a pristine condition modified '95 318ti for $10k with 100k miles, drove it for 2 years and another 45k miles. Sold it for $8k but kept a set of BBS RK wheels and near-new PS2 tires, x-brace and coil-overs to use on my e36 M3. I figure that car cost me a measly $1500 in total over 2 years including general up-keep and optional modifications that went with the car. And the smiles were worth far more than that. Left me 'stranded' once with a dead battery but I was on borrowed time with the OE battery which was nearly 10 years old. Total does not count insurance or track day costs..... I sold it to rebuild the e36 M3 I have now (it was wrecked) which I originally purchased as an engine donor for said 318ti. I've got $7k into that car in total (so far) which includes numerous safety gear upgrades and performance items. It has been pretty much trouble free for 1.5 years so far. I say buy 'em at the bottom of the depreciation curve, you can't go wrong. Of course that 2000 e46 I bought new I'll have to keep forever to justify financially! Cheers, Chet Dawes -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Arnold Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:20 PM To: [email protected] Cc: 'Jason Kay' Subject: Re: [UUC] When to say when...TCO on cars daily driver for four years and put 60,000 miles on it. Then I sold it for $10,000 in three days to someone who restored it to pristine condition. That's the partial story I tell people. The whole story comes out when I added up the receipts (never will do that again) that I spent just maintaining the car. Over the course of the four years, the car left me stranded five or six times, each time requiring towing to someplace. Total cost was over $16,000 spent, including the engine rebuild after spinning #4 rod bearing. So in the end, the car really cost me $6,000 to drive for four years, not really that bad when you compare it to other things but not that reliable. I drive an e36 M3 now! Dave A 95 ///M3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:20:29 -0400 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: When to say when...TCO on cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, Its not a BMW, (wife bought our '03 new, and its been trouble free most of its life so far) I bought an '87 Porsche 924S for $1800 in 1997. I sold it for $3400 in 2001. In the 5 or so years I owned her, I changed the belts, rollers, and waterpump for ~$1000. I put a new set of tires on her (~$600 I think), changed the oil regularly and bled the brakes yearly... dead-reliable car, lots of fun to drive, but regularly got "out dragged" at the stop-light by the kid on a bicycle... (it was a Momentum car... I outran a blown 427 Cobra replica at Watkins because I could brake and corner faster than that beast) The 944 Turbo on the other hand has only left me stranded once (after "lunching" its headgasket due to a very tricky LEAN at WOT at Watkins Glen. I've also put a ton o' cash into her for what I call 'fixes and upgrades, while I'm in there'... I'm figuring I'm somewhere in the mid-4 "zero" range (x0,000)... but this has been a project car since I got it in 1999 (having seen the tops and bottoms of the pistons at various times during rebuilds) and allowing me to keep busy fixing other 944s during a "6 mo. state-paid vacation" back in 2001 when the telecom industry got wacked... she left the factory with ~220 or so hp, and is now closer to ~400hp :D I just absolutely love getting point-bys during DEs from the e46M3, 911 Turbo, and 996 owners :D -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:03:40 -0400 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Support your troops Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Personally, the last HP product I ever got to work properly was an old HP4P scanner, back in '97 or so. I gave up buying their stuff because it's incredibly incompatible with most software. Here's another reason, and it's really cool too...... Spread the world, I don't have any bandwidth restrictions. Brett Anderson KMS http://216.144.3.217/misc/hpprinter.wmv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Consumer Reports's Supercar test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Consumer Reports did a test of sports cars, and the 911 came out on top: http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/08/30/cr_supercars/index.html The 14 cars tested include the Corvette Z06, the Elise, and (OBMWC) the Z4 3.0si and 650i. Some of the comments were kind of funny (650i had bad cupholders and they hated its iDrive calling it a "disaster"), but I've always had a healthy respect for their car testing regime, despite their usual emphasis on creature comforts. Between this test and writing their own viruses to test anti-virus software, my respect for them has gone up a few notches. --Andre ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
