The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 379 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Modifying an E36 M3 Re: Modifying an E36 M3 Re: electric wire shielding replacement? Re: Sealed beams - better on the twisties Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: Sealed beams - better on the twisties Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:27:32 -0600 From: "Allen Skillicorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Modifying an E36 M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The more you start doing to the car, the less reliable it will become, and you have already done a TON. 1. More boost = more power. Stage 2 will gain much more than a cam upgrade. Most cam upgrades will calibrated to NA conditions. The biggest power adder of head work is raising the compression ratio, which wouldn't be advisable with forced induction. 2. I've always been wary of forced induction vehicles with higher compression ratios (like your M3) on the track. 20-30 minute sessions under boost creates a lot of heat. Pistons, headgasket and exhaust valves could be pushed beyond what they were designed for. The car be used on the track, but some upgrades should be considered along with wise tuning. On the flip side, many people have pushed a lot of power out of these engines. Just proceed with caution. Allen Skillicorn 847/417/5611 847/271/8175 www.allenskillicorn.com "A well-used race car carries all the creases and scars of a sport that is harder on machinery than any other human activity I can think of, other than war." - Peter Egan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:47:33 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Allen Skillicorn'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Modifying an E36 M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, sounds like good advice. I don't plan on tracking the car, and I think I will just stick with the Stage 2 upgrade, maybe a cat-back exhaust, and then just work to keep the car well-maintained and reliable. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Skillicorn Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:28 AM To: Matt Bader Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Modifying an E36 M3 The more you start doing to the car, the less reliable it will become, and you have already done a TON. 1. More boost = more power. Stage 2 will gain much more than a cam upgrade. Most cam upgrades will calibrated to NA conditions. The biggest power adder of head work is raising the compression ratio, which wouldn't be advisable with forced induction. 2. I've always been wary of forced induction vehicles with higher compression ratios (like your M3) on the track. 20-30 minute sessions under boost creates a lot of heat. Pistons, headgasket and exhaust valves could be pushed beyond what they were designed for. The car be used on the track, but some upgrades should be considered along with wise tuning. On the flip side, many people have pushed a lot of power out of these engines. Just proceed with caution. Allen Skillicorn 847/417/5611 847/271/8175 www.allenskillicorn.com "A well-used race car carries all the creases and scars of a sport that is harder on machinery than any other human activity I can think of, other than war." - Peter Egan Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:40:27 -0500 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ivan Demkovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: electric wire shielding replacement? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We use BMW PN 61 13 8 357 831. $1.75 per roll, list. It's a black anti-friction electrical tape. It's close, but not exactly the same as what was used in the older cars. Brett Anderson KMS Ivan Demkovitch wrote: > Because of age/temperature under the hood - many wires have frozen shielding > that brakes when you touch it. > I understand it will work without it, but heat will damage wires themeself > after main shielding gone. > > Is there any tape or trick to fix those and make them look good? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:41:48 +0000 (UTC) From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Sealed beams - better on the twisties Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I find that when you use lights with sharp cutoffs, you can set them a hair higher than typical dealers will. You need to assure you're not blinding people coming in the opposite direction, but you get a bit more downfield vision. Also. the lights should be lighting up the shoulder better which is good to work with when driving on low beams. If you're still not OK, I'm sure there's someone that wants Xenons. I miss running Hwy 50 from Placerville to South Lake at 1:00 am in my friend's Supra... Marc Plante E36 M3/4 76k Vienna, VA ----Original Message---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jan 28, 2007 22:10 To: <[email protected]> Subj: [UUC] Sealed beams - better on the twisties I've been wanting to ask the group about driving experiences with the brighter, sharper cutoff lenses. My experience, on twisty mountain (Tahoe) roads in a 2001 X5, is that the xeon lights are worse for driving than my e34 sealed beams, as I can't see as far ahead. The high beams work great but I have to constantly turn them off due to oncoming traffic. Two things contribute to not seeing as far: One is that the sharp horizontal cutoff doesn't you see the upcoming corners, where the sealed beams light up the reflectors down the road making turn anticipation easier. Second, since the xeons are soooo darn bright, I think there is some night blindness from everything close being lit up. Anyone else feel like trading out the xeons? BTW - We had them adjusted early on at the dealer to make sure we were not just "seeing things". On the e34, I was looking at the Hella Europeans and was thinking that these would have the same issues. Do US ellipsoids in the e34 have a sharp cutoff? Thanks, -MikeL 01 x5 93 535 04 mini s On Jan 25, 2007, Mike Frank wrote: >>Subj: Re: [UUC] <E36> Headlight projector type >> >>I also have the Umnitza full meal deal - ZKW/HID/PNP/Stonegard/Angel Eyes. >>They definitely make the US lights seem cheap when compared side by side. >> >>They are very bright. The sharp horizontal cutoff may take a little getting >>used to, especially on dark hilly roads. >> >>I might be the only one, but I actually have less light on what I would call >>the driver's side shoulder (relative to US lights, my other cars, friends >>cars, etc.). Using the fog lights fills in the sides nicely when >>necessary, >>but I typically leave them off. Passenger side has tons of light, even up >>high. Did I mention that they are bright? >> >>Mike Frank >>97 M3 Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:21:51 -0800 From: Peter Loron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, all. In my 98M3, occasionally, I'll put the key in and try to start it up and all I get is the key rotating freely in the lock. Is this an indicator of impending doom or normal? -Pete KMS- Brett Anderson wrote: > It's the ignition cylinder. About $70. > > However, if it's now jammed and can't be removed, you'll be looking at a > couple of hours and a new lock housing as well. > > > Brett Anderson > KMS > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> It's a moot point now, as the key froze in position 1 tonight, with >> the radio playing, but if/when one experiences issues with the >> ignition key spinning without any detents, is it the cylinder, or is >> it the switch? The car is in a Lowe's parking lot with the battery >> diconnected. I suppose I'll have it towed to the dealer in the morning. >> >> I've googled and read the archives a bit, and while it is a common >> problem, I never ran across anyone definitively saying which part was >> required to fix it. Some say they had been experiencing it for over 5 >> years, while others were stranded on the first occurence. Either way, >> it sounds like at this point, it's a switch and maybe the lock. I'm >> just curious if a paper clip and new cylinder -would- have fixed it if >> I hadn't waited. BTW, it's a '98 M3 convertible (Hi Don!) with the >> ring antenna. Thanks! >> >> David in Nashville >> >> Search the >> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:30:06 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Peter Loron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Impending doom. Gary Derian > Hi, all. In my 98M3, occasionally, I'll put the key in and try to start it > up and all I get is the key rotating freely in the lock. > > Is this an indicator of impending doom or normal? > > -Pete > > KMS- Brett Anderson wrote: >> It's the ignition cylinder. About $70. >> >> However, if it's now jammed and can't be removed, you'll be looking at a >> couple of hours and a new lock housing as well. >> >> >> Brett Anderson >> KMS >> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> It's a moot point now, as the key froze in position 1 tonight, with the >>> radio playing, but if/when one experiences issues with the ignition key >>> spinning without any detents, is it the cylinder, or is it the switch? >>> The car is in a Lowe's parking lot with the battery diconnected. I >>> suppose I'll have it towed to the dealer in the morning. >>> >>> I've googled and read the archives a bit, and while it is a common >>> problem, I never ran across anyone definitively saying which part was >>> required to fix it. Some say they had been experiencing it for over 5 >>> years, while others were stranded on the first occurence. Either way, it >>> sounds like at this point, it's a switch and maybe the lock. I'm just >>> curious if a paper clip and new cylinder -would- have fixed it if I >>> hadn't waited. BTW, it's a '98 M3 convertible (Hi Don!) with the ring >>> antenna. Thanks! >>> >>> David in Nashville >>> >>> Search the >>> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW >>> CCA. >>> >>> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >>> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >>> >> Search the >> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:49:14 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes - get it replaced and I can't stress enough not using worn out keys in these cars. Look at your key and compare it to a new example. Keys. and tumblers are cheap compared to todays labor rates (and a flatbed tow) and a new lock cylinder with tumbler and keys. Phil ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:48:28 -0600 From: "Allen Skillicorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Phil Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So all it needs a is a new key and tumbler? All of a sudden the repair cost went from a $70 cylinder to a cylinder plus a $133 key. I have a similar ocassionally spinning e39 ignition. Allen -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Davis Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Yes - get it replaced and I can't stress enough not using worn out keys in these cars. Look at your key and compare it to a new example. Keys. and tumblers are cheap compared to todays labor rates (and a flatbed tow) and a new lock cylinder with tumbler and keys. Phil ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:39:31 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Allen Skillicorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Phil Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Buy the tumbler to your VIN and use the same key. Gary Derian > So all it needs a is a new key and tumbler? > > All of a sudden the repair cost went from a $70 cylinder to a cylinder > plus a $133 key. > > I have a similar ocassionally spinning e39 ignition. > > Allen > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Davis > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:49 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? > > > Yes - get it replaced and I can't stress enough not using worn out keys in > these cars. Look at your key and compare it to a new example. Keys. and > tumblers are cheap compared to todays labor rates (and a flatbed tow) and > a new lock cylinder with tumbler and keys. > > Phil > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:53:02 -0800 From: Peter Loron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ok, thanks for the heads up. I know I can go to the dealer and pay through the nose (I was quoted north of $200) for a new key. I need a second one anyway. Sounds like the cylinder is easy enough to replace using the paper-clip trick... -Pete Phil Davis wrote: > Yes - get it replaced and I can't stress enough not using worn out keys in > these cars. Look at your key and compare it to a new example. Keys. and > tumblers are cheap compared to todays labor rates (and a flatbed tow) and a > new lock cylinder with tumbler and keys. > > Phil > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:48:14 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GFL on the paper clip trick. On my 95 I spent about an hour trying to get it out using the paper clip. I don't know what I was doing wrong. I finally just took a power drill to it and hacked it out. Don't be shocked. I was just removing the steering column lock for the race car. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Loron Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:53 AM To: Phil Davis Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Ok, thanks for the heads up. I know I can go to the dealer and pay through the nose (I was quoted north of $200) for a new key. I need a second one anyway. Sounds like the cylinder is easy enough to replace using the paper-clip trick... -Pete Phil Davis wrote: > Yes - get it replaced and I can't stress enough not using worn out > keys in these cars. Look at your key and compare it to a new example. Keys. and tumblers are cheap compared to todays labor rates (and a flatbed tow) and a new lock cylinder with tumbler and keys. > > Phil > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . > http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release Date: 1/27/2007 5:02 PM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:50:49 -0600 From: "Allen Skillicorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Any tips or details about the paper clip trick? Insert behind the switch, or into the tumbler? Allen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:26:41 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Allen Skillicorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If an E30 is similar to an E34 or E36, turn key 60 deg from lock, insert small allen wrench into hole, jiggle wrench, key and other parts until it comes out. A paper clip is too soft. Gary Derian > Any tips or details about the paper clip trick? Insert behind the switch, > or into the tumbler? > > Allen > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:24:34 -0800 From: Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Sealed beams - better on the twisties Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html is a useful guide to aiming headlamps. That sharp cutoff is a Good Thing, you just have to put it in the right place. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:20:26 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes and I now must refer to the old technician adage I don't make these parts I just install them Phil ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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