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NY Times - "A Few Raindrops Fall on the Big-Money Collector Car Auctions in
Arizona"
Re: NY Times - "A Few Raindrops Fall on the Big-Money Collector Car Auctions
in Arizona"
Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
(no subject)
Re: E36 Coolant Leak
Re: Tools - good ones
Re: Tools - good ones
Re: Tools - good ones
Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
Genuine Replica
Re: water pumps
<E36> M52 ignition coils
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:26:34 -0500
From: Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'911/993/996'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"'The FerrariList'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"'UUC Digest'" <[email protected]>
Subject: NY Times - "A Few Raindrops Fall on the Big-Money Collector Car
Auctions in Arizona"
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/automobiles/collectibles/28AUCTION.html
Collecting
A Few Raindrops Fall on the Big-Money Collector Car Auctions in Arizona
By KEITH MARTIN
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz.
IN most circumstances, selling a single used car of nearly any type for
$85,595 would be cause for celebration. Selling 1,916 at that average price
over six days, for a total of more than $164 million, would be a reason to
start popping Champagne corks.
But under unusually rainy skies this month in Arizona, sales figures at four
collector car auctions indicated that the red-hot market was cooling a bit.
In contrast to the transparency of the stock market, where billions of
shares are openly traded every day and the results are published
immediately, there is an opacity to the collector car market. Many cars,
especially the most significant ones, trade privately for undisclosed
prices.
Only twice a year are large car auctions held at the same time in the same
area. Each August, it happens on the Monterey Peninsula of California, where
five auctions take place. The other market barometer comes in a single week
of January in the Phoenix area. Four companies, each with a different focus,
put their consignors' wares in front of thousands of bidders.
After peaking in 1991 and then collapsing, the collector-car market had been
slowly gathering strength for five years. Sales figures for the
Barrett-Jackson auction here, the largest in the world in terms of dollars
spent, tell the tale. Barrett-Jackson had vehicle sales of $37 million in
2004, $62 million in 2005 and $98 million in 2006.
But just as with dot-com stocks or Miami condos, values cannot rise forever,
and the sales results in Arizona indicated that the market's meteoric climb
may be ending.
While the prices of some types of cars remain strong, primarily
low-production muscle cars with their original engines ("numbers matching"
is the trade term) or sports racing cars like Ferraris, other more common
cars produced in larger numbers, or cars whose engines have been replaced,
are holding their values, at best.
In a response to questions sent by e-mail, Steve Davis, the president of
Barrett-Jackson, said, "The strongest overall segment of the market is the
interest in certain muscle cars, such as Boss 429s and specific Shelby
GT500/350 Mustangs." He added, "Austin Healeys, Mercedes 300SL roadsters and
Gullwings currently command top dollar, and there is also an increased
interest in the classic segment of the market."
For two of the four auctions, sales were down slightly from a year earlier.
While Barrett-Jackson showed an uptick to $109 million, that figure included
an added sales day and 187 more cars. The average price per car at
Barrett-Jackson was $92,301 in 2006; this year, it was $87,001.
Barrett-Jackson also had by far the largest field, with 1,271 cars both
offered and sold.
While Barrett-Jackson specializes in American muscle cars from the '60s and
'70s, RM Auctions of Blenheim, Ontario, features mainline collectibles like
Duesenbergs and Ferraris. RM offers far fewer cars than Barrett-Jackson, but
has a much higher average price per car. RM sold 106 out of 114 cars offered
for a total of nearly $30 million. This was down $1.4 million from 2006, and
the average price per car ($281,838) was down $13,382 from a year earlier.
In an e-mail message, RM's president, Rob Myers, said, "We see sports racing
cars as the strongest growth segment of the market and also keep an eye on
the great antiques and classics that will continue to be strong."
Another auction company, Russo & Steele, is known for muscle cars. Russo &
Steele raised its total slightly from 2006, selling 280 out of 431 cars for
$20.2 million, up from $19.8 million. The company's owner, Drew Alcazar,
said that while well-documented cars were still strong, customized cars and
nonoriginal creations had started to show weakness.
The average price per car sold at Russo & Steele was up, from $66,318 in
2006 to $72,213.
The final event of the weekend, by Silver Auctions of Spokane, Wash.,
reported sales of 276 cars for about $5 million, down from $5.7 million and
233 cars in 2006. The average price per car sold this year was $18,116,
indicative of the "affordable classics" market segment in which Silver
specializes.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:27:27 -0500
From: "Ben Keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: NY Times - "A Few Raindrops Fall on the Big-Money Collector Car
Auctions in Arizona"
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
a pretty tame article given the crap the author got from B-J at the
actual auction.
Autoweek story here :
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/FREE/70129002/1024
and a bit from autoextremist.com :
http://www.autoextremist.com/page6.shtml#table
(three arrows down) Barrett-Jackson. From the "Revenge of the Twerps"
File, or is it the "Assholes R Us" File? Barrett-Jackson pulled
collector car expert Keith Martin's media credential before the
auction for a series of alleged transgressions, according to a report
by Bob Gritzinger, in AutoWeek. B-J operatives took Martin's
credential for allegedly telling people in the auction company media
center to leave Barrett-Jackson and attend one of the competing
auctions in the area. "I never said a negative word about
Barrett-Jackson," said Martin to Autoweek. "He can come and view the
auction any time he wants," said Barrett-Jackson president and CEO
Craig Jackson (aka Gordon Gekko, the King of the Muscle Car Boom), in
a post-auction week interview with AutoWeek. "But he can't sit in our
media center and badmouth us while he's eating our food." Jackson said
Martin's comments were heard by half a dozen people in the media
center - including his company's director of public relations,
Jennifer Ziegler. Ziegler did not return AutoWeek's calls seeking
comment. According to Jackson's clearly delusional thinking, Martin
had a "vendetta" against Barrett-Jackson because he had been fired two
weeks earlier from his role as a commentator on Speed Channel's live
coverage of Barrett-Jackson. Jackson said Martin was dropped from
Speed for inaccuracies in his commentary during the broadcasts,
specifically in comments on muscle cars, and because of columns
published in Martin's magazine, Sports Car Market, suggesting that the
muscle car boom was losing steam and warning readers of questionable
bidding practices at auctions. (Which from where we sit, immediately
imbues Martin with even more credibility than he already had.) Rick
Miner, a Speed Channel senior vice president, told AutoWeek that
Martin was dropped from the Barrett-Jackson lineup because his
knowledge of sports cars was becoming less "germane" in the muscle
car-dominated auction setting, and because of the columns. (In other
words, Speed Channel had thoroughly abandoned any shred of the
objectivity they had left and marched to the cadence of Crag Jackson's
dictation.) Martin, who was attending the auction in his role as
publisher of Sports Car Market and as a correspondent for the New York
Times, told AutoWeek that none of the allegations were true. He said
no one ever complained about the accuracy of his auction commentaries
"in 10 years of working for them." Martin said only two or three
people were in the media center at any one time when he was there, and
that he never badmouthed Barrett-Jackson or told attendees to go
elsewhere. Others who were with Martin at the auction backed up the
writer's story to AutoWeek. "It didn't happen while I was there, and I
was with him virtually the entire day," said one attendee who asked
not to be identified. If this incident doesn't encapsulate the B-J
mindset perfectly, we don't know what will. Craig Jackson will stop at
nothing to hype his Greed-fest, and he won't let anyone or anything
stand in the way of his rampant orchestration of the sky-high prices
there - especially the muscle car prices. It is an accepted fact now
that in collector car circles there are two price points: The B-J
price, which is inflated anywhere from 20 to 100 percent, and the
"real" price - one that hasn't been boosted to high heaven by
Jackson's Greed Posse. The Muscle Car Bubble? It's already here,
folks.
On 1/31/07, Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/automobiles/collectibles/28AUCTION.html
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:54:07 -0800
From: "Curtis Ingraham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I second what Ed wrote.
You might be able to distinguish a gasket leak from a shaft seal leak
by looking at the water pump from under the car with a bright light.
Coolant stains from a shaft seal leak will be under the weep hole (an
E36 WP has a weep hole, right?).
You do not want to get to the point that the bearing has radial
runout. The WP can seize, and the fan can eat things. Replace the WP
at the first sign of shaft slop.
Curt Ingraham
Oakland, CA
> From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
>
> Water pump seal.
>
> The water pump "gasket" on that car is a simple rubber o-ring, that if
> not pinched, will likely outlast the water pump.
>
> The seal, on the other hand, wears with use, and wear of the bearing
> behind it allows increased radial runout of the shaft, further wearing
> the seal. This is typically the failure mode on most water pumps and the
> second most typical on that particular car (impeller disintegration
> likely being most common).
>
> Ed
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:47:17 -0500
From: Paul Dunlevy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
When was the water pump changed last???????
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:55:00 -0600
From: "Bill Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: E36 Coolant Leak
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Water pump, betcha anything.
Bill M.
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:58:56 -0500
> From: Matthew Tremmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: <E36> Coolant Leak
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I have a quick drip leak of coolant that is winding up behind the
> crankshaft
> pulley and then running down the front edge of the oil pan. I can't
> seem to locate
> the source. The thermostat and hoses seem to be dry. There is
> dried/caked
> antifreeze residue on most of the pulleys.
>
> Is the most likely culprit the water pump gasket? A lot of stuff to
> pull off just to
> check. Hoping someone has been there, done that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Tremmel
>
> '94 325is
>
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:40:54 -0500
From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Tools - good ones
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
on 1/29/07 5:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've got this crazy idea in my head to upgrade my tool collection. It's pretty
> comprehensive but it mostly cheaper brands like Halfords / Draper (likey
> similar to Sears quality from what I've heard). Every time I went there I
> seemed to leave with more tools (you can never have too many!) and over the
> years it's built up.
>
> I got myself a Snap On catalogue and a few goodies from there but frankly I
> can't afford to source it all from there :-(
>
> I mainly want good quality sockets and tools that fit really well and will
> (hopefully) result in fewer old rounded off stubborn nuts and allen sockets.
I think this is pretty funny: you sit over there in Scotland lusting after
Snap-on, and I sit over here in the US thinking about Hazet and Stahlwille.
I still have some Stahlwille sockets I bought over 35 years ago when I lived
in Switzerland, and so far they're indestructible. FACOM makes really nice
stuff too.
Back in the land of reality I mostly have Sears Craftsman tools, but the Pro
line, not the basic stuff. Snap-on is great, but who needs a second
mortgage?
> The advice of the pros is most welcome.
That's not me, but here's a really good piece of advice that I picked up
right here from Brett Anderson a couple or three years ago: buy a good set
of 1/4" drive sockets. Their small size makes working on densely packaged
modern cars easier, plus you're less likely to over-tighten something. I
didn't have those before, but now I couldn't do without them.
Neil
Fort Wayne, IN
96 M3 - Bastard child
03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic
05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:58:13 -0800
From: David Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Tools - good ones
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 2:40 pm, Neil Maller wrote:
> Back in the land of reality I mostly have Sears Craftsman tools, but the
> Pro line, not the basic stuff. Snap-on is great, but who needs a second
> mortgage?
Same here...I have quite a lot of the 'pro' Craftsman tools and they work just
dandy...but I do like to splurge for Snap-on ratchets. The sealed
high-strength ratchets are really nice. A 'ratchet buddy' is also nice to get
from Snap-on ;-) My grandfather raced cars for many an automaker back in the
50's and I was fortunate to get most of his stash of tools...lots of 'proto
tool' stuff. Not sure if they are still around, but that stuff is nice, even
when aged 50 years. Guess that just goes to show that good quality tools
last 'forever'.
Dave
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:45:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Tools - good ones
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
My 2 cents worth - if your using tools to make a living the convience of a tool
truck and the warranty be it Snap-On, Mac, Matco etc is the main
difference.There is just something about them and how they feel in your hand. I
will second the comment Neil made I use 1/4 drive more then anything else (1/4
drive metric set universals 11 pieces 5.5 - 15mm = $345.00) expensive but worth
every penny. Yes I do have a Snap-On "Condo" and its full of Snap-On tools and
I'm damn proud of it and don't ask to borrow them either!!
Phil
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:02:22 -0500
From: Matthew Tremmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I got several replies along the same lines.
With 50K on the pump and 94K on the thermostat housing (original
plastic), the best approach is probably just to replace both along with
all the necessary seals.
Thanks everyone!
Matt
Ed MacVaugh wrote:
> Water pump seal.
>
> The water pump "gasket" on that car is a simple rubber o-ring, that if
> not pinched, will likely outlast the water pump.
>
> The seal, on the other hand, wears with use, and wear of the bearing
> behind it allows increased radial runout of the shaft, further wearing
> the seal. This is typically the failure mode on most water pumps and
> the second most typical on that particular car (impeller
> disintegration likely being most common).
>
> Ed
>
> Matthew Tremmel wrote:
>> I have a quick drip leak of coolant that is winding up behind the
>> crankshaft
>> pulley and then running down the front edge of the oil pan. I can't
>> seem to locate
>> the source. The thermostat and hoses seem to be dry. There is
>> dried/caked
>> antifreeze residue on most of the pulleys.
>>
>> Is the most likely culprit the water pump gasket? A lot of stuff to
>> pull off just to
>> check. Hoping someone has been there, done that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt Tremmel
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:07:23 -0800 (PST)
From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Wed, January 31, 2007 5:02 pm, Matthew Tremmel said:
> I got several replies along the same lines.
>
> With 50K on the pump and 94K on the thermostat housing (original
> plastic), the best approach is probably just to replace both along with
> all the necessary seals.
The housing is probably OK, but you'll want to replace the actual
thermostat :-)
And, how many miles/years on the radiator? Might as well do it all once.
Jim Bassett - BTDT multiple times :-)
1998 M3/4
1993 325is #44 JP
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:54:23 -0500
From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UUC Digest <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jim Bassett wrote:
> On Wed, January 31, 2007 5:02 pm, Matthew Tremmel said:
>> With 50K on the pump and 94K on the thermostat housing (original
>> plastic), the best approach is probably just to replace both along with
>> all the necessary seals.
>
> The housing is probably OK, but you'll want to replace the actual
> thermostat :-)
Ummm, NOT.
Get that thermostat housing out of there ASAP. Although, yes, may as
well do the thermostat at the same time.
Brett Anderson
KMS
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:37:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UUC Digest <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <E36> Coolant Leak
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For those of us still on our original water pump (E46 328Ci with M52TU
engine and 95K miles), what does the death rattle sound like? I've heard
various noises come and go from the car when standing outside it, but I'm
not sure if any are the pump. Is it the sort of thing that if I start the
car and listen near the pump, I'll hear something untoward? I'm
considering preemptively replacing the pump with the Stewart before
the next track school. TIA.
--Andre
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:11:48 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Genuine Replica
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sure to be a hit at the auctions:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/car/271442844.html
And I thought the M stood for Motor, not Mazda.
-David
96 M3
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:54:25 -0800
From: bbarry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: water pumps
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If you change it now you won't get to know the stark sudden coldness
inside feaing the stark sudden slightly sooner overheating that the
engine just suffered.
Water pumps are relatively inexpensive enough and simple to change DIY
that its worth changing them at Inspection II intervals, like timing
belts used to be.
Barry
'97 //M3, 130k miles, third water pump and thermostat, none failed.
Andre Yew wrote:
> For those of us still on our original water pump (E46 328Ci with M52TU
> engine and 95K miles), what does the death rattle sound like? I've heard
> various noises come and go from the car when standing outside it, but I'm
> not sure if any are the pump. Is it the sort of thing that if I start
> the
> car and listen near the pump, I'll hear something untoward? I'm
> considering preemptively replacing the pump with the Stewart before
> the next track school. TIA.
> --Andre
>
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:38:33 -0600 (CST)
From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: <E36> M52 ignition coils
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Been about 50K since I replaced my coils & plugs. Is there an advantage to a
more (what is claimed to be) "high performance" coil (i.e., from Bav Auto),
or is a stock coil pretty much the same...
- Kevin Jay
'96 328is, red/tan, 99K, usual H&R/Bilstein setup, a few M3 parts too
'02 X5 3.0, white/tan, 55K, bone stock
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