The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 408 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Need source for Euro application Eibach springs Re: In need of a S52-compatible head M30 Idle Quality Re: M30 Idle Quality Re: M30 Idle Quality Re: M30 Idle Quality Re: M30 Idle Quality M Coupes Re: M Coupes Re: M Coupes Re: M Coupes Re: M Coupes Re: M Coupes Re: M Coupes Re: In need of a S52-compatible head
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:55:51 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Need source for Euro application Eibach springs Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matt, Roundel and one of the enthusiast mags had articles about the Koni FSD struts last year or maybe the rear before. If you have Roundel membership you can probably find the article in the archives. >From what I recall there wasn't any performance gain over SA Koni's. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:21:28 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: In need of a S52-compatible head Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Drill a drain hole in the plug well <grin>. Gary Derian > > I'd be delighted to find a less expensive solution to the problem, but > head replacement seems to be the only route I can find. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:48:26 -0600 From: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: M30 Idle Quality Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Most of us know the Big Six is known for less-than-stellar idle quality, but does anyone know why? It's my understanding that an inline six is about as perfectly balanced as one can get, save for a V12. What is it about the M30 that makes it idle so poorly, given that there are no other problems? Robert 1990 535i 2000 528i _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:09:18 -0800 From: "JS Nord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M30 Idle Quality Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can get mine to idle quite smoothly (not lexus like but quite acceptable to me) but it's very very sensitive to vacuum leaks and tune. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: [UUC] M30 Idle Quality > Most of us know the Big Six is known for less-than-stellar idle quality, > but does anyone know why? It's my understanding that an inline six is > about as perfectly balanced as one can get, save for a V12. What is it > about the M30 that makes it idle so poorly, given that there are no other > problems? > > Robert > 1990 535i > 2000 528i > > _________________________________________________________________ > The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. > http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:33:21 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M30 Idle Quality Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Age, partially clogged injectors, light flywheel, low idle speed, etc. Even when new they weren't that good. Its not a balance issue, its a cylinder pressure variation issue. Gary Derian > Most of us know the Big Six is known for less-than-stellar idle quality, > but does anyone know why? It's my understanding that an inline six is > about as perfectly balanced as one can get, save for a V12. What is it > about the M30 that makes it idle so poorly, given that there are no other > problems? > > Robert > 1990 535i > 2000 528i ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:17:11 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M30 Idle Quality Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Everything Gary already covered, plus the tune of the M30 was weighted towards the lean side to reduce emissions. To get a nice idle requires that you replace all the rubber stuff in the intake path, clean the injectors (have them flow balanced if possible), replace the crankseals at both ends, and the camshaft seal. Once you have the engine airtight, then consider adjusting the AFM wiper to track in a different spot. There are two adjustments that can be made internally to improve the A/F ratio at idle, but you have to be very careful and know what you're doing. Even then you'll still have an occassional lean burble at idle. Rich > Age, partially clogged injectors, light flywheel, low idle speed, etc. > Even > when new they weren't that good. Its not a balance issue, its a cylinder > pressure variation issue. > Gary Derian > > > >> Most of us know the Big Six is known for less-than-stellar idle quality, >> but does anyone know why? It's my understanding that an inline six is >> about as perfectly balanced as one can get, save for a V12. What is it >> about the M30 that makes it idle so poorly, given that there are no >> other >> problems? >> >> Robert >> 1990 535i >> 2000 528i > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:17:53 -0500 From: "Fuerst, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M30 Idle Quality Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I never had problems with the 2 I owned. Now, a vacuum leak, that's a different story. 1st -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Blakeney Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:48 PM What is it about the M30 that makes it idle so poorly, given that there are no other problems? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:33:16 -0600 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Need an opinion from this list. I am reticent to put a hard value on this car...it is being traded in to me on a 2000 M5 I have for sale. I have never bought one, barely ever seen one on the road, and just want to be safe...and frankly, I never hear these discussed on this list. Car is the following: 1999 M Coupe 30k miles Black on black with all options How do I evaluate this car? There are two on ebay, but I don't trust ebay for crap. I could probably put a number on it, but will I sell it? I just don't see them changing hands very often. I just don't see the demand for this car. Definitely sounds like a fun car to have around for a bit, but I do this for a living and don't want to take on something that will take months to move. Alex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:43:39 -0500 From: Matt Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Alex Cagann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There's a certain dweeb element that likes the Z3 M Coupe (I am assuming that is what you meant by the M Coupe). As a certified Dweeb, I think they are a cool car. You know the type, they liked the AMC Gremlin and Pacers, too. =8^O But I'd want one with the later motor (is that 2001?) and no sunroof. Then it becomes an interesting autocross car. Great for BMWCCA, but not so great in SCCA. This earlier motor issue is a diminishing value thingie. A parallel in Real Estate would the buyer for an antique home. Definitely not as many buyers as there would be for a Center Hall Colonial, but once they come along, they know what they want. What does Galves list it as? Matt Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: [UUC] M Coupes > Need an opinion from this list. I am reticent to put a hard value on this > car...it is being traded in to me on a 2000 M5 I have for sale. I have > never > bought one, barely ever seen one on the road, and just want to be > safe...and > frankly, I never hear these discussed on this list. Car is the following: > > 1999 M Coupe > 30k miles > Black on black with all options > > How do I evaluate this car? There are two on ebay, but I don't trust ebay > for crap. I could probably put a number on it, but will I sell it? I just > don't see them changing hands very often. I just don't see the demand for > this car. Definitely sounds like a fun car to have around for a bit, but I > do this for a living and don't want to take on something that will take > months to move. > > Alex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:18:16 -0500 From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matt Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matt, Not so great for SCCA autocrossing you say? In the highly competitive DC Region, SCCA, Brian Hair and Jason Becker campaigned an S52-engined Coupe and gave national competitors Michael Johnson and Rod McGeorge (both Z06s) a good run for their money in the ASP class. Yeah, the S54-engined cars (2001 and 2002) are faster at speeds above 60 mph. see: http://solo.wdcr-scca.org/results/2006Standings.php Alex, As someone who just shopped for, and bought, a '99 (I'm no fan of the AMC products - just neat BMWs) I would estimate a price range from $20,000 to $26,000 depending on condition. I think the largest listing of these cars is on Roadfly.com http://www.roadfly.com/bmw/classifieds/cars/listads.php?cat=225 Woody Hair 88 M3 96 328is 99 M Coupe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] M Coupes > There's a certain dweeb element that likes the Z3 M Coupe (I am assuming > that is what you meant by the M Coupe). As a certified Dweeb, I think they > are a cool car. You know the type, they liked the AMC Gremlin and Pacers, > too. =8^O > > But I'd want one with the later motor (is that 2001?) and no sunroof. Then > it becomes an interesting autocross car. Great for BMWCCA, but not so > great in SCCA. This earlier motor issue is a diminishing value thingie. > > A parallel in Real Estate would the buyer for an antique home. Definitely > not as many buyers as there would be for a Center Hall Colonial, but once > they come along, they know what they want. > > What does Galves list it as? > > Matt Murray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:33 PM > Subject: [UUC] M Coupes > > >> Need an opinion from this list. I am reticent to put a hard value on this >> car...it is being traded in to me on a 2000 M5 I have for sale. I have >> never >> bought one, barely ever seen one on the road, and just want to be >> safe...and >> frankly, I never hear these discussed on this list. Car is the following: >> >> 1999 M Coupe >> 30k miles >> Black on black with all options >> >> How do I evaluate this car? There are two on ebay, but I don't trust >> ebay >> for crap. I could probably put a number on it, but will I sell it? I >> just >> don't see them changing hands very often. I just don't see the demand >> for >> this car. Definitely sounds like a fun car to have around for a bit, but >> I >> do this for a living and don't want to take on something that will take >> months to move. >> >> Alex > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:57:36 -0500 From: Matt Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You knew I could not resist replying... :^) At a National level, the car is in A Stock. That puts it up against the C4 Corvette, 2005+ Honda S2000, Porsche 993, Boxster S, and the Solstice GXP (very fast car for no bucks). http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2006/stockm.html#BMW or to see what is in A Stock: http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2006/stockc.html At the regional level, like WDCR, it is competitive but not like the previously mentioned cars (the results link you posted, unfortunately does not list the cars, just the drivers). Going back into history: 2006: http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/Combined%20Nationals.pdf (no BMWs in A Stock) 2005: http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/File/2005SoloNationals-FINALresults.pdf (no BMWs in A Stock) 2004: http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/2004SoloNationalResults.pdf (Z4 cars in B Stock) 2003: http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/File/2003SoloNationals.pdf Finally found a Coupe! But in 19th place. :^( As I said, it is a shame that it doesn't seem as competitive as it should be. Typical with BMWs, the OEM alignments and adjustments hamper the car (this is for the "Stock" classes folks, so all the fun stuff that you *could* do are not legal for SCCA). As I looked at the classing link, the car that Alex has could be interesting in B Stock, but the front running car there these days are the Mazda RX-8s. Once you swap the motor (factory directive due to engine coking issues), the RX is very fast. Say Alex, mind if I borrow that Coupe for 2007? :^) Matt Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matt, > Not so great for SCCA autocrossing you say? In the highly competitive DC > Region, SCCA, Brian Hair and Jason Becker campaigned an S52-engined Coupe > and gave national competitors Michael Johnson and Rod McGeorge (both Z06s) > a good run for their money in the ASP class. Yeah, the S54-engined cars > (2001 and 2002) are faster at speeds above 60 mph. > see: http://solo.wdcr-scca.org/results/2006Standings.php ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:02:12 -0500 From: Matt Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Woody, And I just re-read your post. You did say in ASP. Big difference than a stock class. As I posted, that's where you can add fun doo-dads for handling, etc. So, ummm, does your coupe have a sunroof? No! Hmmm, need a co-drive in B Stock. ;^) Matt Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woody" > Matt, > Not so great for SCCA autocrossing you say? In the highly competitive DC > Region, SCCA, Brian Hair and Jason Becker campaigned an S52-engined Coupe > and gave national competitors Michael Johnson and Rod McGeorge (both Z06s) > a good run for their money in the ASP class. Yeah, the S54-engined cars > (2001 and 2002) are faster at speeds above 60 mph. > see: http://solo.wdcr-scca.org/results/2006Standings.php > Woody Hair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:09:30 -0500 From: "marshall lytle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Alex Cagann'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you do this for a living, I imagine you have access to kelly, edmunds, etc for pricing ballparks.... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] M Coupes Need an opinion from this list. I am reticent to put a hard value on this car...it is being traded in to me on a 2000 M5 I have for sale. I have never bought one, barely ever seen one on the road, and just want to be safe...and frankly, I never hear these discussed on this list. Car is the following: 1999 M Coupe 30k miles Black on black with all options How do I evaluate this car? There are two on ebay, but I don't trust ebay for crap. I could probably put a number on it, but will I sell it? I just don't see them changing hands very often. I just don't see the demand for this car. Definitely sounds like a fun car to have around for a bit, but I do this for a living and don't want to take on something that will take months to move. Alex Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:14:52 -0600 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'marshall lytle'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You can't trust any numbers like those on a car like this. Trust me. I have access to Manhiem market reports...you can't trust those (various reasons) as well as blackbook prices. Blackbook prices range from $9,000 to $17,000. Manheim prices range from $7,000 to $22,000. You can't make a solid decision with those parameters. I think I'll just put a high blackbook number on it. If I win or loose, it would be worth it for a driver for a bit. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: marshall lytle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:10 PM > To: 'Alex Cagann'; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [UUC] M Coupes > > If you do this for a living, I imagine you have access to > kelly, edmunds, etc for pricing ballparks.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:03:54 -0600 From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Peter Loron'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: In need of a S52-compatible head Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've got a complete head in Houston. OBD1 - 95 325i w/23000 miles..pristine. Swap your cams and you're set. $1000 plus shipping Paul Garnier FastNetworking.com 281-827-0725 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Loron Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] In need of a S52-compatible head I finally was able to get the head off my 98 M3 last night had have some good news and bad news. Good news is that the oil and coolant were clean, and all of the mechanical bits I've seen (cams, VANOS sprockets, valves, pistons, cylinder walls, etc) all look new. The head gasket, as far as I can tell, was in great shape. The bad news is that means the problem I've got (coolant leaking into the #3 plug well) points to a cracked head. :-( Soooo, anybody have a S52-compatible head for sale? The head is at the machinists, and they may find something that can be fixed, but I'm preparing for needing a new one. I'm pretty sure all of the guts (based on the complete lack of visible wear on the cams) can be simply switched over to a new bare head. -Pete Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
