Hi,

On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 02:59:23PM -0800, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
> 
> >> Yes.  But let's play a thought-game. What sequence would you have for
> >> developers? 
> >
> >sequence? Consequences: Probably none/only few. I cannot imagine that
> >developers already participating start with the developer-index page.
> >They have bookmarks or use browser history/completion (this is what I
> >do).
> 
> I guess I am not being clear... I meant: How would you address *new*
> developers? 

What kind of developers? Those wanting to work on OOo itself or those
trying to integrate/remote control OOo?

> Would you have them at all go to the development page?

Those looking for integraion/remote control, etc. Yes, definitely.

I regard the development page as a great ressource for this kind of task
since it has a broad overview of 
* the possibilities on how to integrate with OOo
* documentation on how to do that
* examples that already do that.
* easy navigation (organized by categories, don't have to search forever
  for the right link)

Those who want contribute to OOo itself could follow the contribute
link -> programming (again this is for new users not knowing where to
start).
Maybe the programming.html could be rearranged so that the "Where can I
help" comes before "Now that I have some code, how can I upload it".

The linked ToDo list is a good starting point for new contributors.
(The other items are good as well)

Although the ToDo list itself could need some rework (has wrong navbar,
bad navigation).

> For
> I agree that experienced developers do not probably go there. 
> 
> FWIW, the to-dos listed from there get a lot of hits, and is usually in
> the top 100.  

What is "there" in this case? The programming.html or the
development.openoffice.org/index.html?

> >They don't start with the www.openoffice.org page but either go
> >directly to development.openoffice.org or some other, more focused
> >target.
> 
> Right, that's for experienced developers.  
> 
> So, how would you point people to "http://development.openoffice.org/";?  

See above. Certainly not the potential "new contributors" but those
looking for help on extending OOo for their particular needs.
(extending: don't change the OOo source itself, but write Macros or
other programs that remote-control OOo)

> And again, we both want to reduce redundancy and make it easier. And I
> think you and I at least are agreeing that having one "contributing"
> link, which is not contributing money, is all that is needed.

Yes.

> (We can have then, a "Donate" link.)

Not necessary (IMHO). We already have that on the download page.
And the contribution page contains a section "monetary donations"

This should read as: not necessary to have that link in one of the "main
navigation areas" (like the tabs).
It is fine to have some text like "If you like OOo, consider a
<donation>" or like the mozilla folks have it:
"Please consider supporting our ongoing efforts to provide the world with
a free, faster, more powerful, and more secure Internet experience.
Donate Now"

replace the Internet experience by some OOo marketing-stuff :-)

They have the "Donate" link as part of the Footer.

We can have occastional requests as main content (besides the download
:-) - like the current gnome site.

ciao
Christian
-- 
NP: J.B.O. - Verteidiger des Blïdsinns

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