On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > vali...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea < >> mariusdumitru.flo...@xwiki.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > > On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>> vali...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net> >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> Hi Caty, >>> > >> >>> > >> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be >>> overridden >>> > >> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page >>> level”. >>> > >> >>> > >> Several questions: >>> > >> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? >>> Using a >>> > >> custom skin? Using a color theme? >>> > >> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo, >>> > which >>> > >> means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in >>> skins >>> > & >>> > >> in color themes? Isn’t that too much? >>> > >> * What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, >>> i.e. >>> > >> where is it materialized? >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development >>> point >>> > of >>> > > view. >>> > > In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using >>> this >>> > > control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default logo and the >>> skin >>> > > logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way the >>> > Color >>> > > Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are welcomed. >>> > > >>> > > The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in >>> > XWiki >>> > > to change to logo and override it, that a warning is welcomed. >>> > >>> > Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a >>> vote) >>> > since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other ways of >>> > changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing >>> ones, >>> > making the situation even more complex… >>> > >>> > So for me we need to: >>> > 1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain >>> what >>> > happens to the other places and explain in the proposal why the user >>> would >>> > use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways get deprecated or not >>> either? >>> > 2) Define what it means to change the logo in the proposed new Admin >>> UI. >>> > Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and >>> attach >>> > a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently selected Color Theme and >>> adds >>> > a logo to it? Does it do something else? >>> > >>> >>> I would add that if this is the *default* logo and each color theme >>> defines >>> its own logo (like it happens right now) then changing the logo from this >>> section will not have any effect as this logo will be overwritten by the >>> logo specified on the color theme. >>> >> >> The label says "Default Logo". Also the majority of ColorThemes don't >> have logos provided, so they inherit the one from the Skin. >> > > We have a problem here with the themes that use darker colors and they > provide their own logo, with the correct contrast colors. > We could remove the custom themes logos, or remove support for some of the themes. Thanks, Caty > > >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What >>> does it >>> > mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom skin? >>> > Using a color theme?" >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > -Vincent >>> > >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > Caty >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > >> Thanks >>> > >> -Vincent >>> > >> >>> > >>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>> vali...@gmail.com> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Hi, >>> > >>> >>> > >>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability >>> > tests >>> > >>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some >>> > issues >>> > >>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo >>> section >>> > in >>> > >>> Administration". >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still >>> struggle >>> > to >>> > >>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus >>> there is >>> > a >>> > >>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the >>> Themes >>> > >>> section of Administration >>> > >>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>> > >> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1 >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Let me know what you think, >>> > >>> Caty >>> > >>> >>> > >>> [1] >>> > >>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/ >>> > >> Tasks5/Prioritization/ >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >
